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Offline thaiga

“there’s nothing to see here”
« on: August 30, 2018, 02:28:51 PM »
Suspected CIA black site in Thailand to become tourist destination

Not many tourist attractions promote themselves by saying “there’s nothing to see here”. But the Ramasun Camp Historical Museum in north-eastern Thailand isn’t your average destination: it’s among the locations suspected of hosting a CIA black site and secret torture prison.

A CIA black site? Or habitat to rats? Photo: Thai Ministry of Tourism

Set to open as a museum on Saturday, the base started as the US Army’s 7th Radio Research Field Station in 1964 and according to the official history was used in the Vietnam war to spy on communists and control plane movements until 1976.

Unofficially and more recently, it’s one of three sites in the remote north-eastern province of Udon Thani suspected to be part of the US Central Intelligence Agency’s worldwide network of secret locations where terrorist suspects were subjected to enhanced interrogation.

Once a Vietnam War-era US military listening base. Photo: Thai Ministry of Tourism

Lieutenant Colonel Ratkrit Daengthaisong, commander of the battalion which supervises Ramasun, said he has investigated and concluded the compound never harboured a secret facility.

"I think it is because the compound is off-limits to outsiders while local people are aware of an underground tunnel,” he told the Bangkok Post newspaper. “That may give them a sense of secrecy.”

Ramasun in the early 1970s when it was home to the US 7th Radio Research Field Station during the Vietnam War.

Ratkrit said he spoke to several old-timers and no one ever saw anything. "So, we will open Ramasun camp to the public and let them see for themselves. You'll see a radar building surrounded by giant radar towers and a 300-metre underground tunnel."

Ramasun has long been rumoured to be the place the CIA took Riduan Isamuddin, aka Hambali, after his arrest in 2003. Then South-east Asia’s most wanted terrorist suspect, with links to those who orchestrated the September 11 attacks and the 2002 Bali nightclub bombings which killed 202 people, Hambali was held in a secret location for three years before arriving at Guantanamo Bay.

The government-run Thailand Tourism Directory website, in an awkward post that mentions Vietnam-era soldiers having “hired wives” and “half-caste children”, says Ramasun was abandoned between 1976 and 1997. In that time, the radar equipment was left idle and material was pilfered. Some of the buildings became “bat habitats”.

Successive Thai governments have denied any involvement in CIA black sites, and the US has neither confirmed nor denied using the country in the war on terror. The subject came up again earlier this year, when Gina Haspel was picked by US President Donald Trump to become the CIA director.

Haspel reportedly ran a black site code named Cat's Eye in Udon Thani, where she oversaw the interrogation of USS Cole bomber Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. It was the same site where Abu Zubaydah was waterboarded 83 times in the one month, before Haspel arrived.

There are conflicting accounts, however, over whether the site Haspel ran was Ramasun or one attached to the Udon Thani Air Force Base 14 kilometres away. That base is still operational, and is not likely to be open to the public any time soon.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Online Taman Tun

Re: “there’s nothing to see here”
« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2018, 10:41:40 AM »
That circular antenna structure is a Luneburg Lens. It could be used for radio direction finding in the range 3 - 30 MHz.  There used to be one at Chicksands in Bedfordshire run by the USAF.  There are a large number of buildings in the photo, many more than you would expect for just a radio operation.
“No one in this world, so far as I know—and I have searched the record for years, and employed agents to help me—has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people.” - H L Mencken

Offline thaiga

Re: “there’s nothing to see here”
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2018, 01:26:10 PM »
Did you use to have fun in your younger days with that radio ham equipment - i did have a crystal radio receiver, known as crystal set, great fun as a kid.
oh! radio caroline days, when it was a crime to listen to the radio. The Bangkok post reports

Ex-US base 'not secret prison'

In 1983, it became the base of 1st Battalion of the 13rd Infantry Regiment and in August 1997, it was royally bestowed the name Sunthondhammathada Camp.

It was reported that the US military purchased the 800-rai plus plot from a villager known only as Sa for US$400. The name was derived from the Thai folk-lore Ramasun, god of thunder, and Mekkhala, goddess of lightening.

He stressed the tourist site and museum project is not to focus or highlight the armed conflict in the region, just historical values of the place and its role in the development of Udon Thani province.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Offline thaiga

Re: “there’s nothing to see here” - oh! yes there is
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2018, 01:12:00 PM »
Ramasun Camp History Museum

Ramasun Camp History Museum is a historical attraction which was the radar base of the United States Army during the Southeast Asian War. It was built by the American military since 1964 and is located at the Phaya Sunthorn Dharmatha Camp, Nonsoug Subdistrict, Muang District, Udon Thani.

The Radar Building, where the underground entrances are still complete, is the former radar base of the United States Army. This is the history of the Southeast Asian War established by the American military since 1964.

Ramasun Camp History Museum was a location of the radar base of the United States Army to spy the Communist and control airplanes (current U-Tapao Royal Thai Navy Airfield) in the attacks on the Indochina since 1964 (before the day of the burst at Ban Na Bua Renu Nakhon District, Thailand). The name Ramasun was created by one Thai interpreter based on the story of Rammasun throwing the ax.

He compared the radar signals to lightning. Finally, it became a Ramasub Camp and provided Udon Thani people to work with American soldiers. Some were hired wives while some got married and had half-caste children. This caused social problems when the withdrawal of troops in 1976 after being defeated by three Indochina led by Ho Chi Minh. The American troops were withdrawn, but many radar equipment and buildings were left in the Thai Supreme Command Headquarters. Later, the Supreme Command Headquarters forwarded such equipment to the Army.

However, the Army assigned the military units under the Prachak Silpakom Camp to continue to take care. On August 22, 1997, it has been announced as "Phaya Sunthorn Dharmatha” camp. Radar Ramasun Camp became a memory of the people in the past.
The radar station before the soldiers came in was invaded by the people stealing the iron. The buildings were left unoccupied and destroyed. Some become bat habitats.
On the day the Army tried to work by launching military camps across the country, for people to visit, Phaya Sunthon Dhamma Camp, which used to be the site of a radar station to pilot a plane to attack Indochina, was another camp open to the public as well.

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Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.