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Offline thaiga

Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« on: February 24, 2016, 01:21:21 PM »
Is this the correct procedure for visiting another province for more than 48 hours - Anyone done it anyone know

If a foreigner visits another province and stays for more than 48 hours. In that case the reporting of the new address must be provided to the immigration, within 48 hours.

So if you stay at a hotel, they will update your temporary address to immig. the address of the hotel will then be held on the system. So when you go back home you have to notify them that you are back home, if you don't you will still be on the system as being at the hotel address, then when you do your 90 day report it could be 2,000 bht please.

If you live in a house owned by your wife or girlfriend i understand that she needs to file the TM-30 within 24 hours of your arrival TIA
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Offline takeitor

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2016, 05:29:38 PM »
I believe - but you're never quite sure these days - that you only need to re-report your main residence if you leave the country and re-enter . Also, if you stay away from this residence for more than 48 hours I believe that you are correct in saying that this needs to be reported as well - usually not a problem if you stay in a hotel.

I am popping to immigration this week, so will ask the question and let you know.
 

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Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2016, 05:41:15 PM »
Thanks Thaiga. I wondered what your source is for that comment? Seems more than odd to me !
Takeitor -  I'll be interested in what Immigration say.
I recently said at Immigration that I would be away for some weeks and needed to report my 90 days a bit late - this requirement was not mentioned to me then.
Oh well ....

 
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Offline takeitor

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2016, 06:46:59 PM »
As an aside, I rent my house so I need my landlady to sign my TM30s, but what happens for those of you who own your own property (condo etc)?  Do you have to declare that you are there, as well as your 90 days, or is it registered as a permanent address if you are the owner?

I can't help but think that the over-staying foreigners they are hoping to catch with this extended procedure would not bother with any of this and would simply not report, whilst those who wish to do things "by the book" are asked to jump through hoops.  Surely the 48 hours for staying in another province is disregarded routinely by most people when they are staying with family or friends at New Year or Songkran?...or if I camp on the top of Phu Kradeung (in Loie province) for a couple of nights are the campsite going to fill in a TM30 (maybe they are?!??)

Anyway, whinge over. I will report back once I found out the current version of events from immigration
 
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Offline thaiga

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 06:57:13 PM »
that you only need to re-report your main residence if you leave the country and re-enter
BUT ..........you already fill out the immigration card when you arrive at the airport with your address

If you search "GOOGLE" with ......  800 baht fine not reporting address 
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Offline Herbie

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2016, 08:47:47 AM »
I went to DK Immigration last month. I spoke to the same officer who approved my retirement extension in October. I asked about me and the house where I live which is owned by my stepson. Do we have to submit a TM30? 'No, only for tourists' was the reply. I then asked about a house we have nearby in my wife's name, which we let. He asked about the tenant. I said it was someone like me on a retirement visa. Again he said 'no, only for tourists'.
It will be interesting to hear of any different responses.
 
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Offline Kev

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2016, 02:38:15 PM »
OK so if I come on holidays (August) and we stay in Pattaya (hotel) then house in Chaiyaphum, than back to BKK (friend's house) up to Nong Khai (hotel) and then back to the house, the better half needs to fill in forms each time we stay in Chaiyaphum - YEAH RIGHT  :cussing
 
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Offline takeitor

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2016, 05:11:57 PM »
I had a quite long conversation with the chief lady in the TM30 department and she confirmed the following:

All owners of property where a foreigner resides must hand in a TM30 form within 24 hours of the days on which they stay.  This is regardless of the type of visa held - Tourist, O, B are all included.

A new TM30 must be reported when the foreigner either a) moves house or b) returns from outside the country.  The latter was explained by the Departure Card number being on the TM30 form, which will change each time you re-enter Thailand.

When you fill in the TM30 form, the full length of your current visa can be reported.  If you stay away in Thailand, at a hotel or guesthouse, the establishment will send a TM30 form to the local office for the nights you stay.  When you return, it is not necessary for your house owner to re-report.  The same is true of a short stay at a friend or families house.  Longer stays with friends (I know this is a bit vague) should be reported to the local office (or police station if no office exists in the province) but again, there is no need to re-report upon returning as long as you stay within Thailand and return to the same property.

As mentioned before, the TM30 process is in theory, entirely the responsibility of the house owner.  Of course it becomes a problem for the foreigner as soon as they go to do an extension or 90 day report as this may not be permitted if the TM30 is not up to date.

Finally, it must be the owner of the property's ID card that is submitted with their Tabien Baan(s), TM30 form and your passport.  Previously my girlfriend, who rents my current house, was able to complete the process, but now it appears it must be the House Owner.  Having done this reporting once, it seems that you can complete the process yourself on behalf of your House-owner as long as you have all the above paperwork handy and the details have not changed.

Hope this all helps clear things up a little....it does seem to vary between offices, but this is the Korat version as it stands.
 
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Offline thaiga

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2016, 06:39:27 PM »
Well done that man - you've answered the big question

When you return, it is not necessary for your house owner to re-report   :cheers
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Offline thaiga

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2016, 07:18:50 PM »
Next question when you go back there is .............

how many stamps does the immigration officer have on his desk    :lol
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Offline Herbie

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2016, 04:47:06 AM »
So there it is. Two of us can return from the same Immigration office with different interpretations, within two months of each other. I had all the documents ready, copies of house book, my stepson's id card (house owner), completed TM30 and my passport. Yet he wouldn't take it as I'm on a Retirement extension.
I've been living at the same address for seven years, left Thailand four times and had short stays in hotels within Thailand during that time. I do my 90 days reports online these days, so go to Dan Kwian rarely. But I'm ready with a TM30 etc. for my next visit.
 

Offline takeitor

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2016, 11:32:19 AM »
I do agree with you Herbie - it seems to be very inconsistently applied.  Anecdotally, there do seem to be far more people being chased up for TM30s nowadays than a year ago, so probably better to be safe than sorry.

When we first talked to our landlady about it she did not believe it was something she had to do.  She had talked to various friends who were renting to foreigners and they told her that they had never done it.  Only after going down to the office herself today does she believe that we're not just trying to make work for her.

It seems to be only a lack of consistent, clear information that causes problems both for landlords and foreign guests.  However onerous a task might be, it's not a huge problem once you know what you have to do.
 

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Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2016, 03:54:12 PM »
Thaiga, thanks for bringing this topic out. I was completely unaware - (and have never had a problem YET on this front).
Frankly I don't get it BUT when staying in a Hotel surely it's good to book in with the other half's details not your own ?
I have had a few 3 night stays since my last 90 day report and will find out soon if I'm in TM30 trouble !
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Offline thaiga

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2016, 06:14:58 PM »
when staying in a Hotel surely it's good to book in with the other half's details not your own ?

They still need your details of your passport or they will be breaking the law, not that anybody would know  ;)
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Offline takeitor

Re: Visiting another province for more than 48 hours
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2016, 07:25:42 PM »
Anecdotally, it seems that TM30s are only really checked up upon when you apply for an extension.  Some people also seem to have been told by the staff in the 90 day office that it is not necessary to do it again unless you move house.

I would agree with Roger that using your wife's ID at hotels seems a good option if available - it is not your responsibility to do otherwise - although I do not think the various area's immigration departments are very well connected yet so it's unlikely to be an issue either way.

With regard to the TM30 I guess everyone will do as they see fit. If you are never going to apply for extensions to your visa you might just want to see how it goes; but if you are, then you might want to give a day or two's grace to allow for extra time when you do.
 

 



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