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Offline Roger

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Visa renewal
« on: April 16, 2015, 10:07:13 AM »
Any comments appreciated. My NON IMM multi-entry retirement visa expires on 6th July 2015.
I'll be away for some weeks around then - it would suit me to apply for a new12 month retirement visa on my return.
Will I be able to re-enter Thailand at the end of July with the usual 30 days allowed and then apply for my retirement visa during those 30 days ?
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2015, 10:32:08 AM »
Yes, Roger.  Enter on a regular 30 day then head to immigration with the necessary documents (Financial etc) and change it to a retirement.  Should be no problem.
 

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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2015, 10:59:12 AM »
Hi Roger, I hope BF is right but my recent experience is a bit different.  Last year when I finished work in Kuala Lumpur I returned to Thailand on a 30 day tourist visa.  The intention was to get a marriage visa.  It soon became apparent that I should have got a 90 day visa from the Thai Embassy in KL.  After discussions at Dan Kwien I made a couple of visits to Immigration in Bangkok (not far from Don Muang) and got a 90 day visa. I was then able to proceed with the Marriage Visa application. 

BF may well be right but you would be much safer getting a 90 day before you come back into Thailand.
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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2015, 11:35:03 AM »
Thanks Guys. I'll check it out at Dan Kwian - maybe next week.
If it's ok it would be handy to get my renewal based in August each year.
And for now - another month to get the funds in place !
I'll let you know how it goes.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2015, 03:02:51 PM »
Roger, if you got all the papers ready for a one-year extension, you should get that before you leave. You can go there one month before its expiry date. A retirement extension needs either a letter from a Thai bank, stating you got at least THB 800,000 with them for the last three months, or a letter by your embassy, stating you got a pension of at least THB 65,000 per month. Retirement extensions usually just take a few minutes. You should also get a re-entry permit at the same time, so they let you back into Thailand with your visa.

Getting a new visa abroad would be additional work and more cost. 
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Offline thaiga

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #5 on: April 16, 2015, 03:17:55 PM »
Roger if you need to get a letter confirming pension/income it can now be done by post.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/402545/Pension_10_02_2015__Master.pdf
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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #6 on: April 16, 2015, 08:47:58 PM »
Thaiga thanks - I did that last year and amazingly, given that our post is delivered every 3 weeks, the Brit Embassy letter came back in about 8 days.
Johnnie thanks too. But I can re-enter Thailand surely, as anyone else can, for 30 days on my return, so I can get my visa during that 30 days ?
Want to move my renewal to August. ATB 
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2015, 09:59:03 PM »
I can get my visa during that 30 days ?

To get a one-year extension you need a Non "O"-Visa issued abroad. The 30-days "Visa Waiver" can only get extended for a short time. Though seems not impossible changing it into a Non "O" in Thailand. I've heard people claiming they did so.

Want to move my renewal to August.

In that case you should get a Non "O" abroad and enter Thailand with that in August. That's a sure date then. Nobody can predict, what date the changing of the Visa Waiver into a Non "O" would turn up, how long you have to run around to fulfill all their "paper desires".
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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2015, 06:11:31 AM »
Johnnie thanks for that important detail. Maybe it is not quite so simple as I thought .............
Your comment tallies with the TT experience I think.
I'll chat to one of the 'permanent' staff at Dan Kwian next week.
(If necessary I can get a 'Non-O' in the UK anyway).
ATB

 

Offline Al

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2015, 06:22:36 AM »
Since you are considering obtaining a non-o in the UK perhaps you might also consider a non-imm o-a multi entry as an alternative solution.

I have no experience with the Thai Embassy or Consulate in the UK but do obtain a new non-imm o-a multi entry each year via the US Los Angeles Thai Consulate. I follow the steps outlined in that Consulate's website and do not find the process to be particularly difficult nor overly expensive. I complete the entire process via mail.

Additionally, with the non-imm o-a multi entry, if you leave and reenter just prior to the expiration date you can get essentially two years for the price of one, and will not be beholden to the local immigration office for that period (other than the 90 day reporting), nor need to worry about in-country financial issues for that period as well.
 

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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2015, 06:35:23 AM »
Hey AL,

For those of us ( like me ) that are not so Fluent in applying for Thai Visa's...
 
Would you be able to expand a little more on what the below means and how you can get 2 years by playing the game the way you talk about?
 
Many thanx in advance :)  Buffy
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2015, 08:20:01 AM »
Maybe I'll answer for Al.

the Non-Immigrant "OA" is an Non "O" with the one year extension already approved. The "A" stands for APPROVED. When you enter Thailand with such a visa you'll get an entry stamp ("permitted to stay until...") for 365 days instead of just 90.

Furthermore, for the Non"OA" you don't need to show the THB 800,000 in a Thai bank, but its equivalent in a bank in your home country is accepted. Also your pension can be made believable with just the letter from social services. You need to submit some papers in addition to those required by the Immi in Dankwian though, for example your criminal records, or lack thereof, and a medical certificate. The Non "OA" can be extended the usual way. But on a new entry, as long as you can enter on that visa (within its validity), you should be given a new 365-day stamp. I take Al's word for them actually doing so.
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Offline Al

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2015, 10:40:24 AM »
When you successfully obtain a non-imm o-a multi entry visa it will have a date of issue and an enter-before-date. Each time you step out of Thailand and return prior to the enter-before-date, you will receive a year extension, which means that if you schedule your last exit/entry just before the enter-before-date of your visa, you will get close to two years off that single visa.

A word of caution - after that enter-before-date expires, even if you successfully obtained the additional extension, if you leave the country without purchasing a single entry, you will be back to square one with a 30 day tourist visa. Upon the expiration of the enter-before-date, the multi entry option dies with it, even though, if you recently left and returned, you still have almost a year before the visa expires.

And yes, as Johnnie stated, there are some additional requirements such as a medical certificate and police report. Some find these issues to be very challenging, but in my experience the process was simple, straightforward and not particularly expensive.

Of course, as a UK citizen, your results may vary.

This is just another option worth considering.
 

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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #13 on: April 20, 2015, 05:09:38 AM »
Just met a Guy who confirmed the TT experience i.e. not being able to step up routinely to a 'Non-O' visa from a tourist visa.
(Also heard a tale about an application being rejected because the commencement of the required baht deposit was just one day late).

Will check with Dan Kwian today but it looks like I'll choose to get a Non-O in the UK during my stay.
Apparently this can be done by post to the Thai Visa office in London ?

(Al - thanks for the Non-OA idea but I'll try to keep it simple - feeling like I've dug myself a big enough hole already!).
 

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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #14 on: April 20, 2015, 02:28:55 PM »
Royal Thai Embassy in London

Visa Application by post (Applicants must reside permanently in the UK)

The Royal Thai Embassy in London commenced its visa application by post service on the 2 January 2014. Termination of visa services by post at the Royal Thai Consulates in the United Kingdom and Ireland (namely, the Royal Thai Consulates in Birmingham, Cardiff, Hull, Liverpool, Glasgow, Gibralta and Dublin) will be effective from the 15 January 2014.

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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #15 on: April 20, 2015, 04:29:06 PM »
Immigration at Dan Kwian, recommended obtaining Non-O in the UK and then extending it at DK for a year, after 45 days.
Converting tourist entry to a Non-0 would mean starting all over again and the helpful Officer at DK advised very strongly against that due to the paper requirements.
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Re: Visa renewal and Passport expiry
« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2015, 05:41:26 PM »
Digging around in advance of the Visa process - I chatted to a Gent in the Thai Embassy in Cardiff - very helpful.
Unfortunately, the next flaw in my master plan is ......
Passport expiry 3.3.2016.
6 months unexpired needed PLUS 90 days to cover the duration of my aspired to Non-O Visa !
Takes me back to 3rd June 2015 to apply for said Visa.
Not going back until 20th June !
It's fun ain't it.
So I am going to renew my UK passport in Thailand, before departing.
Does anyone have recent experience of this process - so far it looks like TWO visits in person, to BKK or Chiang Mai - several weeks apart ?
 

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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2015, 06:31:50 PM »
Roger, at least you found out in advance.  Always, always a problem with visa issues!
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Offline thaiga

Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2015, 06:58:03 PM »
So i believe it is 2 trips to BKK. with an online appointment. they say it takes about 6 weeks.

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All you need to know HERE: gov.uk

Application form HERE: gov.uk

Making your application

You must apply in person. If you’re unable to, someone else can go on your behalf. You must bring photo ID with you.

Bring original supporting documents and a colour photocopy of each one. The original documents will be returned to you.

You must also bring your current passport with you when you apply, and a full colour photocopy of the entire passport (every page including blank pages).

You can’t travel with it after you’ve applied for a new one - but you will be able to keep your existing passport for ID purposes.

You’ll need to book an appointment by email. Include your first name and last name and 3 alternative dates and times. You will receive an email confirming your appointment.

UK Visa Application Centre
The Trendy Office Building,
28th Floor,
Sukhumvit Soi13,
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Wattana,
Bangkok
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Email: BangkokHMPO@vfshelpline.com
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Re: Visa renewal
« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2015, 08:02:47 PM »
Thanks Guys.
New plan to be checked out !
IF the walk in service is still in place in Cardiff for Passport renewal, I'll do that one day and the Visa at the Embassy the next day.
Fun ain't it ?
ATB
 
 

 



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