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Mitraparp Monkey

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Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« on: July 03, 2009, 04:07:48 PM »
Everybody knows about the identification problem after a natural or manmade disaster. Lots of bodies could never be identified after the tsunami. We're aware of that being a problem!

But it might still be a shock when you're asked to provide for your future identification while you're still alive.  :o

A few days ago my wife told me that we had been asked to show up at the police station in our Amphur. Three years ago cops had come to my house and showed me a list of the foreigners they were making. No problem! I showed them my passport and let them enter my personal details into that list. So I didn't expect anything different this time.

Today we went there. But now they seem to have become a little over-efficient. Not only were they asking for my passport and personal details, it went on to two photographs they took then because I didn't bring any along. Not enough with that! They wrote down a detailed description with all my visible scars etc. Then they wanted my ten fingerprints as well. I asked them three times whether they were sure about being authorized to take my fingerprints and could see from their faces that they weren't. Since I'm not a criminal, I asked, why should I put my fingerprints on file here? Then they explained my that I didn't have to submit my fingerprints, but that it could only be of advantage to me, if they could rule me out from a circle of suspects early. That kinda convinced me since I had a cop visiting me once early in the morning while I was still living in town. He was looking for a foreigner who had become violent the night before and who was described to them like me. With my picture and fingerprints now on file at the police station they could much faster identify somebody as innocent without having to wake them up at six o'clock.

But I can't get rid of the impression that the whole thing is a lone effort of our local police station: they weren't even able to tell the notice for the 90-days-report from my visa extension etc. It's not my duty to teach them about Thai bureaucracy but I wonder why the Tourist Police isn't at least preparing them for stuff like that, or why the tourist police isn't doing it. Our Amphur is so full of foreigners already they could even have a post of the Tourist Police out here.  :-[

Nevertheless I decided to be put on file for "fast declaration of innocence". Still I felt strange being fingerprinted without ever having committed a crime, felony or misdemeanour in Thailand. But they must've forgotten to ask for DNA samples in case somebody accuses me of having fathered illegitimate children. ;D
 

cynic

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #1 on: July 03, 2009, 06:52:28 PM »
With my picture and fingerprints now on file at the police station they could much faster identify somebody as innocent without having to wake them up at six o'clock.

It's now also much easier for them to frame you for something you didn't do. A so-called witness can now spend a long time looking at your photograph before easily recognizing you in a line up. Ooops!  :o
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #2 on: July 03, 2009, 07:02:24 PM »
Isn't life boring, if you just don't take any risks?  ???

I probably wouldn't trust every precinct in Korat. But I got good experiences with our Amphur. We take care of them - they take care of us, is my 12-year experience. No extortion with the people who live here. They can do at the highway with people passing by.  ;)
 

george

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #3 on: July 03, 2009, 07:56:13 PM »
They have been trying to do that for more than 10 years in Pattaya.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #4 on: July 03, 2009, 08:37:16 PM »
If they'd provide us with something like a 'resident-ID' that entitles us to more rights like admission to public facilities like museums, zoos etc. at the same price as the Thai relatives we're taking care of more would probably agree to it. I for example would feel much better, if I didn't have to pay a multiple admission fee, when I'm taking my thai relatives' kids somewhere.
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Uncle Bill

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2009, 09:07:00 PM »
They have been trying to do that for more than 10 years in Pattaya.

Pattaya is not Isaan. A lot of the "gents" in Pattaya have good reason not to let the cops have their fingerprints. Would make Interpol work a lot easier catching some 'runaways'
 

george

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2009, 11:53:12 PM »
It is a well known FACT that Korat is a major hiding place for world war 2 nazi war criminals Herr Bill.
 

Uncle Bill

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2009, 12:01:21 PM »
It is a well known FACT that Korat is a major hiding place for world war 2 nazi war criminals Herr Bill.

Are you sure, It is a well known FACT that Korat is a major hiding place for world war 2 nazi war criminals, George?

2009 - 1945 = 64 + 18 = 82. Assuming 18 the minimum age to be a soldier and therefore war criminal. Sure you wanted to prove only the far higher life expectancy in Isaan.  ;D
 

george

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2009, 01:09:04 PM »
It is also a well known FACT that if the word FACT is typed in upper case and bold it must be true :)
 

JB

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2009, 03:37:19 PM »
There used to be a German restaurant located next to Chez Andy where some old Germans used to celebrate Hitlers birthday every year so I guess George is right.
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2009, 04:41:18 PM »
It is also a well known FACT that if the word FACT is typed in upper case and bold it must be true :)

There used to be a German restaurant located next to Chez Andy where some old Germans used to celebrate Hitlers birthday every year so I guess George is right.

No doubt that not all the old Nazi war criminals were (and maybe some still are) hiding in the US and South America but maybe some hiding in Korat. Even young and famous Christopher Neill chose Korat for hiding.

But you cannot talk in present tense as FACT what was in the past.  ;) So I guess the bold type doesn't prove! Besides having been Nazis doesn't automatically include them having been war criminals.

Back to the point of voluntarily submitting photographs and fingerprints: they couldn't do in Pattaya, George said. Why? Fear of abuse?

They could easily order me to the police station and tell me that I'm a suspect and take my fingerprints. Isn't it much better to tell me that they would like my fingerprints and leave me the choice? I asked them and they even gave me a photocopy of the sheet. So I can prove its existence in case of abuse.
 

george

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2009, 04:53:35 PM »
So now we are delving into Korats nasty secrets, not only is it a major hideout for nazi war criminals, it seems that the Thai police are actively hunting them down :)

In Pattaya the police wanted copies of passport, photos and finger prints, there reason was that if you were found dead it would make it easier for them to identify you, I always refused, aint gonna much care if I am dead and they cannot identify me.
 

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2009, 05:21:55 PM »
It's common knowledge that expat societies have a far larger percentage of "misfits"; were else should they hide? In the midst of society and give a speech on speakers corner in Hyde Park every Sunday?
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sicho

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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2009, 10:33:55 PM »
It's common knowledge that expat societies have a far larger percentage of "misfits"; were else should they hide? In the midst of society and give a speech on speakers corner in Hyde Park every Sunday?

'Common knowledge' ranks with 'everyone knows it to be a fact that ........' I believe that every society has a high percentage of 'misfits'. They are people who don't conform to what Mr Normal finds comfortable. In Thailand, they feel more free to show their true selves, for better or for worse.  :D
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2009, 10:04:01 AM »
Our goal remains to make the best of what our hosts define as "normal" and we can agree with, get to the highest level of solidarity and integration, not insisting upon our own desire of excess too much.
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Re: Provide for "Identification" in case of disaster
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2009, 07:49:53 PM »
Photograph ok, there are lots around anyway:

- they take one of you at the airport, you gotta submit one every year to the immi. So why not give the cops a fan pic as well? Fingerprints? Why shouldn't I give them? I got no crimes in mind. But you never know how life treats you later on.

DNA analysis definitely not!  :o
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