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As reported by thaivisa.com

Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times, report within 24 hours

HUA HIN: -- [thaivisa.com] Hua Hin Immigration is from today enforcing the existing rule that foreigners are required to carry a valid photo ID at all times.

 At a meeting with Hua Hin Immigration and municipality, Thaivisa.com was informed of the news about the immediate enforcement regarding the requirements for foreigners to carry valid photo ID at all times. Thaivisa has learned that Immigration is likely to enforce this nationwide.

 Valid ID's are:

 - Thai Drivers Licence

- Passport original

- Copy of passport verified and stamped by Hua Hin Immigration

Failure to carry valid ID as above is 2,000 Baht.

There is also another reporting obligation, and this applies when a foreigner visits another province and stays for more than 48 hours. In that case the reporting of the new address must be provided to the police, or the immigration, within 48 hours.

Hua Hin Immigration is from today also enforcing the requirements that you and your landlord (condominium owner, house owner etc) must report to Immigration within 24 hours of moving in to a new address. On your arrival card you already reported your place of stay, and if that changes you need to visit Immigration and report your new address.

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As reported by thaivisa.com

Hua Hin Immigration clarifies rules on foreigners carrying ID

HUA HIN:-- Following yesterday’s news regarding the requirement for foreigners in Thailand to carry ID with them at all times, Thaivisa.com and local Immigration offices have been inundated with messages and comments from foreigners concerned about how they may be affected by this news.

In order to seek fruther clarification about this, Thaivisa.com has today met with Pol.Col. Thanasak Vongluekiat, Superintendent of Prachuap Khirikhan and Phetchaburi Immigration.

Pol.Col. Thanasak confirmed the following:

1. By law, all tourists and expats nationwide are required to carry their original passports with them at all times. There is no exception to this. Failure to carry your original passport may result in a 2,000 THB fine. The reason behind this is that Immigration needs to keep track of overstayers and foreign criminals who may be staying illegally in the country.

2. The information provided at an Immigration meeting yesterday was unclear. The correct information, which has always been the case, is that no other forms of identification are acceptable. This includes any other form of photo ID, such as a Thai/foreign driving license or a photocopy of your passport.

3. Immigration does not provide any kind of ‘stamp’ verification on a photocopy of a passport as announced at the meeting yesterday. Therefore, you are required to keep your original passport with you at all times as per point #1 above.

Thaivisa.com would like to thank Pol.Col. Thanasak Vongluekiat and his staff for taking time out of their busy schedule in order to clarify this.

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2014, 05:24:17 AM »
I am sure that all the millions of tourists will be relieved that they no longer have to figure out the intricacies of the wall safes in their hotel rooms.  Instead they can take a carefree stroll down to the beach, leave the passports on a sun lounger, before taking a nice cooling dip in the sea.
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2014, 09:57:55 AM »
You did'nt honestly expect them to take the practicalities into consideraion did you ?  :lol
 

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2014, 12:18:32 PM »
The answer might be an id card for expats similar to those given to migrant workers.

If your going to the beach just tuck your passport down the front of your trunks, if your going on the jet skis i'm sure the nice man will take care of it for you.

Not to mention going for a beer staggering down soi 6 with it hanging out your back pocket.

Any ideas where to put your passport songkran when your dancing about soaking wet in your thong. :evilgrin
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2014, 02:05:13 PM »
starting from August 29, foreigners who failed to produce their passports would be fined up to Bt20,000 and jailed for up to two years.

failing to produce a passport is that the same as not carrying a passport - see post below


Heavy new penalties await visa overstays

AUTHORITIES will bar visitors who overstay their visas from returning to Thailand for between one year and a whole decade. The longer the overstay period, the longer will be the re-entry ban.
Starting from August 29, the ban will be imposed on any foreigner found to have overstayed his or her visa or visa-exemption period.

The Immigration Bureau decided to mete out such tough punishment after the current penalty, a maximum fine of Bt20,000, had apparently failed to serve as a sufficient deterrent.

Last year, a total of 70,715 foreigners were charged with overstaying their visas. Between January and June this year, the number of visa overstayers reached 30,359.

"We have asked the Interior Ministry to approve harsher punishment," Immigration Division spokesman Colonel Worawat Amornwiwat said.

He said foreigners who turn themselves in would be barred from re-entering Thailand for one year if their overstay time exceeds 90 days. The ban will be valid for three years if their overstay period is more than one year. Those overstaying for more than three years will be barred from coming back to Thailand for five full years. In the event an overstay exceeds five years, their re-entry to Thailand will be prohibited for the next 10 years.

"And if they do not turn themselves in, the ban will be longer. |For example, overstaying for less than one year will result in a five-year ban if [the overstayer] is arrested," Worawat said.

He added that starting from August 29, foreigners who failed to produce their passports would be fined up to Bt20,000 and jailed for up to two years.

Worawat insisted that the tougher punishments were necessary because many visa overstayers were found to have flouted Thai laws in various aspects - such as buying Thai-national identification cards.

A Chinese woman arrested on charges of overstaying said she had come to Thailand to make a living, not to commit any crime.

"Here in Thailand, it's possible to start a small business or stall with as little as Bt3,000," she said. "That would not be possible back in my homeland."

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As reported by thaivisa.com

No need to worry says Bangkok Immigration Commander

BANGKOK:-- [thaivisa.com] After the confusion surrounding the news that all foreigners in Thailand are required to carry their passport with them at all times, Thaivisa.com has today obtained official clarification on this matter.

Earlier this afternoon, Thaivisa.com spoke to Deputy Commander and Police Colonel Voravat Amornvivat, a senior official at Immigration headquarters in Bangkok.

Deputy Commander Voravat wanted to reassure the expat community in Thailand about the current situation.

He told Thaivsia.com that information in an article published by The Nation on 31 July 2014, was incorrect.

Deputy Commander Voravat confirmed that foreign tourists and expats do not need to carry their passports with them at all times.

He said that tourists can of course leave their passports locked in their hotel safe and enjoy their holiday in Thailand without worrying about the need to carry their original passport.

Deputy Commander Voravat also said that for expats living here, a Thai driving license or photocopy of your passport can be used as a form of identification.


However, if Immigration Police suspect an individual to be overstaying in Thailand or being involved in illegal activity, then the individual would be required to produce their original passport promptly.

Deputy Commander Voravat referred to Section 58, which reads as follows:

Any alien who has no lawful document for entering the Kingdom under section 12(1);....under this Act; and has no identification in accordance with the Law on Alien registration, is considered to have entered the Kingdom in violation of the Act.

Entering or staying in Thailand without holding a valid passport and visa/extension is subject a fine and possible prison sentence.

“Making all foreigners in Thailand carry their original passports with them would be very difficult.”

“It’s about being reasonable and using common sense”

“But if we think a foreigner is involved in illegal activity then we will of course need to see their original passport, this is normal”, said Deputy Commander Voravat.

Deputy Commander Voravat is eager to avoid further misunderstandings and miscommunication regarding immigration matters and is happy to work with Thaivisa.com in the future in order to provide correct information to foreign tourists and the wider expat community in Thailand.

Thaivisa.com thanks  Deputy Commander Voravat for his interview and taking time to clarify the situation.

The idea of foreigners being able to get a copy of their passport officially stamped by Immigration is currently not an option. However, it is always a good idea to have a copy of your passport with you at all times while in Thailand.

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Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times PASSPORT
« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2014, 02:31:47 PM »
My sources have informed me that all expats and foreigners are required to carry their passport at all times or face a 2,000 baht fine.  I don't believe they are going to proactively go out checking to see if expats and foreigners have their passports on them, but you never know.  Sometimes the boys from Bangkok decided to make a raid in the provinces. 

The reasons are as stated previously in this thread and another thread.  Immigration is going hard after those who are living in the kingdom illegally on overstays, working on tourist visas, etc.  Although not mentioned in the thread you CAN also be jailed as well.  It is entirely up to the arresting officer.  My advice is, don't take a chance.
 

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2014, 03:16:08 PM »
Hi ktp,you say - My sources have informed me that all expats and foreigners are required to carry their passport at all times - what are your sources. And are you advising us to carry our passports at all times. thanks thaiga.
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2014, 07:28:48 PM »
Hi thaiga.  I will say that if you plan to travel places far from your home where there is a possibility of being stooped at a police road block or attending some night venue and plan to drive or cause some kind of disturbance that might get you arrested, then make sure you have it on you.   ;D
 

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2014, 09:12:12 PM »
Thanks for your reply, No source then, I don't have to travel far from home where i live to get stopped there's a road block most days on the way into town.

As for the latter don't think there's any chance of that.  ;D
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2014, 07:10:09 AM »
That's good news and new news to me contrary to what immigration Nakhon Ratchasima told me. Not the department branch where you get your visas in Don Kwian either.  It seems different immigration branches have their own sets of rules which can be active or inactive at anytime.  But we all know that already. I'm going to check with my sources at other immigration branches to find out some more information.  For now, I guess if the commander in Bangkok says it's not necessary to carry your passport at all times, then no need to do it, but that could change in an hour or the next day.  Still, if the police suspect anything at anytime, they can demand for you to produce your passport immediately.

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2014, 09:17:01 AM »
I always keep a photocopy of my passport/visa in my wallet - it's useful in the Bank or at Hotels occasionally and good identification in case of an accident. But I'd not like to carry the original passport around - too risky.
 

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2014, 11:52:47 AM »

Thanks for the update Al.
If you had been following the thread the update had already been posted post 6

Deputy Commander Voravat confirmed that foreign tourists and expats do not need to carry their passports with them at all times.

He said that tourists can of course leave their passports locked in their hotel safe and enjoy their holiday in Thailand without worrying about the need to carry their original passport.

Deputy Commander Voravat also said that for expats living here, a Thai driving license or photocopy of your passport can be used as a form of identification.

http://koratfart.com/official-stuff-laws/immigration-aliens-must-now-carry-valid-id-at-all-times/msg33867/#msg33867

thanks again al  :salute
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2014, 05:20:21 PM »
These are the important words from the statement:- “It’s about being reasonable and using common sense”.
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2014, 08:28:57 PM »
If you had been following the thread the update had already been posted post 6

Deputy Commander Voravat confirmed that foreign tourists and expats do not need to carry their passports with them at all times.

He said that tourists can of course leave their passports locked in their hotel safe and enjoy their holiday in Thailand without worrying about the need to carry their original passport.

Deputy Commander Voravat also said that for expats living here, a Thai driving license or photocopy of your passport can be used as a form of identification.

http://koratfart.com/official-stuff-laws/immigration-aliens-must-now-carry-valid-id-at-all-times/msg33867/#msg33867

thanks again al  :salute


So you believe every thing that's said on Thaivisa?  Did he say that for the record or was he just spouting off?  No mention of it in the media.
 

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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2014, 08:44:43 PM »
I'm going to check with my sources at other immigration branches to find out some more information. 

be interesting to know what they say,but whatever is said it's still up to the arresting officer

yes t/tun “It’s about being reasonable and using common sense”.
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Re: Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2014, 09:13:23 PM »
Immigration: Aliens must now carry valid ID at all times, report within 24 hours

Hua Hin Immigration is from today enforcing the existing rule that foreigners are required to carry a valid photo ID at all times.

At a meeting with Hua Hin Immigration and municipality, Thaivisa.com was informed of the news about the immediate enforcement regarding the requirements for foreigners – both tourists and expats – to carry valid photo ID at all times. Thaivisa has learned that Immigration is likely to enforce this nationwide.

Valid ID’s are:

- Thai Drivers Licence

- Passport original

- Copy of passport verified and stamped by Hua Hin Immigration

Penalty:

Failure to carry valid ID as above is 2,000 Baht.

24-hour reporting

Hua Hin Immigration is from today also enforcing the requirements that you and your landlord (condominium owner, house owner etc) must report to Immigration within 24 hours of moving in to a new address. On your arrival card you already reported your place of stay, and if that changes you need to visit Immigration and report your new address. This applies to both tourists and expats.

There is also another reporting obligation, and this applies when a foreigner visits another province and stays for more than 48 hours. In that case the reporting of the new address must be provided to the police, or the immigration, within 48 hours.



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