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Offline thaiga

Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« on: February 15, 2018, 03:51:25 PM »
Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school


Florida school shooting suspect called troubled ex-student who loved guns

The man accused of opening fire at a Florida high school on Wednesday, killing 17 people, was a troubled former student who loved guns and was expelled for disciplinary reasons, police and former classmates said.

full article msn.com
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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2018, 09:10:46 AM »
Reading this FBI statement must make Americans feel extremely safe in their country now.
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Offline koratbob47

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2018, 10:07:40 AM »
The shooter was not old enough to legally buy a beer but was legally old enough to buy a gun who's sole purpose and design is to kill as many people as possible as fast as possible ... he was not entitled to universal health care either.... what a country thy have there. Maybe the world should build a wall around it to keep them and their culture and values contained.
 
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2018, 09:15:47 PM »
What culture and values would that be, Bob?   
 

Offline nan

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2018, 09:32:08 PM »
exactly ;)
ignorance does not help your post one bit but it probably says an awful lot about you.
 
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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2018, 10:08:10 AM »
Armed guard at Florida high school failed to enter building and stop shooter

This will keep you speechless! What to pay and arm guards for, when they don't do their job at all?

And BigD wants to give guns to teachers. What next, when those go looney as well? Give a gun to  every elementary school student to defend himself against a looney teacher?
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #6 on: February 23, 2018, 12:04:43 PM »
Would you waltz in and go after a person firing an Ar-15?. It's not as easy at it seems. No one really knows the reason that guard hesitated.  Unless you have actually been in a position like that, it's kind of hard to judge.  Don't you think?
 

Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #7 on: February 23, 2018, 12:24:26 PM »
Nice to also see the Fake News doing their thing as usual.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/22/cnn-scripted-gun-violence-town-hall-debate-questions-says-florida-student-colton-haab

This student, and other students, suggested that the teachers SHOULD arm themselves.  I agree with that statement 100%.  How many stories have there been of teachers shooting up a classroom?

 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #8 on: February 23, 2018, 04:50:14 PM »
Would you waltz in and go after a person firing an Ar-15?. It's not as easy at it seems. No one really knows the reason that guard hesitated.

"Israel said that Peterson was in an office dealing with a school-related issue when the first shots were fired on Feb. 14 and that he got on his radio and then moved toward the outside of the building where the shooting was taking place. When asked what he is seen doing on the video, Israel replied: “Nothing.Washington Post

I assume, you are arguing here for a total ban of Ar-15s or similar weapons, if they can give total power over trained and armed security guards even through solid walls, BF.
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #9 on: February 23, 2018, 07:48:13 PM »
I'm actually not for a ban.  Most purchases are what they call "straw purchases," in which a person who is prohibited from buying firearms uses another person to buy a gun on their behalf. Still, no one knows what was going through that guy's mind.  Video showed him doing nothing.  I think a statement from him needs to be made.  I think he resigned though.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2018, 12:54:57 PM »
Would you waltz in and go after a person firing an Ar-15?. It's not as easy at it seems. No one really knows the reason that guard hesitated.  Unless you have actually been in a position like that, it's kind of hard to judge.  Don't you think?

At least your president says, he would do that:

“You don’t know until you test it, but I think — I really believe I’d run in there, even if I didn’t have a weapon,” Trump said, telling the assembled governors that he thought they, too, would have rushed inside. (Washington Post)

He should be promoted to security guard at a school, get relieved from that unchallenging presidency job, as that seems far too simple to him!
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2018, 06:56:28 AM »
He wouldn't do squat, especially unarmed.  You know, the shtty thing about this is how some of the media, left, etc., standing on the graves of this massacre in order to promote their political agendas...and how the hell do they get off blaming the NRA?  That sign someone posted..."How many kids has the NRA killed today?"  Really?  How about how many children has Planned parent hood killed today?  Then we have CNN's attempt to script one of the survivor's questions.

The blame rests solely on the negligence of the F.B.I and especially the broward (more like coward) county sheriff and his officers. The anti-gun lobbyists want guns taken out of the hands of law abiding citizens too so only the government can have them??  Yeah right..after this incident?  i don't think so.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2018, 08:49:59 AM »
The anti-gun lobbyists want guns taken out of the hands of law abiding citizens too so only the government can have them??  Yeah right..after this incident?  i don't think so.

You actually hit the nail with that, BF! After every gun abuse, the 'law-abiding citizens' call for more guns "to better defend themselves", but mysteriously  these guns "meant for defense" then either fall into the hands of attackers or change their owners mental state, spiraling the abuse more and more out of hand.

And if cops had less guns, they couldn't shoot so many innocent people, either. How to rebuilt a system, that has been errected around the gun? Where a gun is a sign of lifestyle, making it's owner a "strong" instead of just an armed man? 
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Offline thaiga

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2018, 01:01:22 PM »
U.S. congressional Republicans reject new limits on guns

Republican leaders of the U.S. Congress said on Tuesday they would not raise the minimum age for gun buyers, in a sign that one of President Donald Trump’s proposals likely will not get far on Capitol Hill after a deadly Florida school shooting.  reuters.com 

Food for thought - if it was one of your kids that got killed, would some think differently - below a post from Samui Bodoh  thaivisa

There are 17 innocent Americans who died for no reason other than a small minority of people want to keep their guns as toys. To add insult to injury, after these 17 lives were thrown away needlessly, nothing will be learned and nothing will be gained by their sacrifice.

If 17 people died for no reason in my country, I would demand answers and do everything that I possibly could to ensure that it never, NEVER happened again. In the good ol' USA, they do NOTHING.

What the hell happened to the USA? Do the lives of your children not matter any more? Is the possession of assault weapons more important than the lives of teenagers? Is the "fear" of "tyranny" that may or may not occur ever worth the wasted lives of your best and brightest? What is the point of 'guarding against tyranny' if you are killing your youth?

Do you not understand that when high school kids are being shot for no good reason, you have a terrible problem in your society?

 Jesus wept
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2018, 08:59:05 PM »
"who died for no reason other than a small minority of people want to keep their guns as toys"

What the hell is he talking about? Seventeen people died because law enforcement failed.  This has nothing to do with the law abiding citizens who own guns.  Also, what good are laws if they are not enforced?  This shooting is a government fail 100%.  Some of these comments are way off.
 

Offline nan

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2018, 10:21:00 PM »
Do the lives of our children not matter any more

the question has been answered
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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #16 on: March 01, 2018, 05:54:03 AM »
"Roughly 2 in 3 Americans now say gun control laws should be made more strict in the wake of the murder of 17 people at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, according to a number of polls, including a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll that shows support for stricter gun laws among registered voters at 68 percent, compared with just 25 percent who oppose stricter gun laws." (Politico.com)

2/3 of Americans want stricter gun-laws. But just 25 think the laws permitting children massacres should protected and their kids' safety should maybe dealt with more arms in the hands of the unreasonable. :(

Glad to read that Dick's Sporting Goods started gun control on their own by taking assault-style semi-automatic guns from their shelves and wowed not to sell to minors under 21 years anymore.

Sad to know that there are still too many people who feel protecting the (insufficient) law's full extent and allowing imbeciles to go even further is of higher value than reason!
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2018, 08:57:53 PM »
These measures will do nothing.  Handguns account for WAY more killings than assault rifles.  If a shooter wants to kill students he/she can easily do this with a handgun and several magazines.  Doesn't even matter if some states limit magazine capacity to 10.  They just carry more magazines.  Load them with Hollow Points and high velocity +P rounds and the damage will be no different.  Who do these people think they're kidding?  Anyone desperate enough will find a way.  Besides, more crimes are committed in "gun free" zones.  Disarming the law abiding people makes it only easier for the criminals to prey the unarmed.   

Another thing.  People can still find a way to get guns.  All this talk about gun control will do nothing.  There's this thing called "straw purchases" too along with the black market.

*Seems the sheriff of broward told his officers not to go in because their body cams weren't on.  More and more is starting to come out about this guy and his department.

Check this out too.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/28/commanding-officer-initially-ordered-responding-deputies-to-stage-not-enter-stoneman-douglas-sources-say.html
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2018, 08:56:15 AM »
There is one term, imbeciles like to use: "law-abiding"! It is sad, that people need laws instead of sufficient brain for social competence. No socially competent person will ever get in conflict with good laws; only for "law-abiding" people the "law-makers" need to set limits, as those obviously cannot recognize the limits of good social action by themselves.
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2018, 12:26:24 PM »
What difference would it make? Laws are obviously not enforced, evident by incompetent government departments like the F.B.I and Broward sheriff's Office. Who are the real imbeciles?

The worst mass shooting ever took place where? Norway. What did the killer use? A car bomb (fertiliser and fuel), an old m-14 carbine, and a Glock 34 pistol. Guess what? The police could have prevented that incident too! I guess the American government better put a ban on cars, fuel, and fertiliser too, right?

While we're at it, might as well ban alcohol too which causes 10,000+ deaths a year. Can't forget medical malpractice either which accounts for 250,000 deaths a year. Better go after those socially competent doctors and nurses.
 

Offline thaiga

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2018, 03:38:06 PM »
very difficult to have a discussion with someone that keeps widening the scope - the issue is

Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school

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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2018, 07:13:11 PM »
The widening of the scope seems to be to justify the now regular shooting sprees that are happening in America.
 
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Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2018, 08:23:20 PM »
Georgia teacher arrested after firing gunshot alone in school classroom

Chaos broke out at Dalton High School in Dalton, Georgia on Wednesday when police say a teacher barricaded himself inside an empty classroom and fired a gunshot.

Georgia teacher arrested after firing gunshot alone in school classroom
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Offline thaiga

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2018, 08:30:32 PM »
Georgia teacher who fired gun told police he had woman killed

 The Georgia teacher arrested for barricading himself in a classroom and firing a gun reported an unfounded claim to police in 2016 that he was involved in a woman's death.

Jesse, 53, told Dalton police that he had an affair with a woman online who refused to end contact with him, and two of his friends offered to "take care of her," according to a 2016 officer incident report.

 The teacher also had an incident near campus grounds in 2017: Davidson called his son and mother to pick him up from the school building, claiming he didn't feel well. School staff began looking for him throughout the school, but found him almost a mile away sitting on a curb. Davidson was conscious but non-responsive to Dalton staff, and was transported to the hospital via EMS, according to an incident report.

On Wednesday, Davidson barricaded himself in an empty classroom as confused students tried to enter the room, police said. Davidson surrendered about 45 minutes later. A bullet had gone through an exterior window of the room, but it didn't appear Davidson was aiming at any person, police spokesman Bruce Frazier said.

full article nbcnews.com
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2018, 09:52:20 AM »
The widening of the scope seems to be to justify the now regular shooting sprees that are happening in America.
  Where was all this anti-gun protest from the students before the shooting.

Widening the scope? Facts don't care about your feelings.  Justify?  I don't think so and that certainly wasn't my point. If you and the rest of the people protesting really care that much about life then you should protest about the things I mentioned too, right?  Why single out this incident only and where were all these anti-gun enthusiasts before this shooting?  Since when do these "survivors" all of sudden become experts and on gun laws?  Ban spring break.  Yeah right.

I posted this before, but perhaps you should watch and listen to it.   This guy talks specifically about assault rifles. I'm basically summoning up what he says.  Does this, and what I said sound, like we are justifying shooting sprees in America?  Does this incident justify punishing the NRA and NON-NRA members? Does it justify disarming "LAW ABIDING" citizens their right to bear arms and protect themselves from "killing sprees?" 
 
The best 7 minutes of gun control speech!
 

Offline thaiga

Re: Ex student kills 17 in shooting spree at Florida high school
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2018, 01:18:20 PM »
everyone is entitled to their views on how to deal with the situation and what they think is right, it's called an opinion. but remember (all of us) only know what we read in the media and tend to believe what we think fit, we are not on the spot as being there as these terrible events unfold again and again.

who posted: don't take away the peoples rights to kill themselves. 17 were killed, their lives were taken for no reason than just being there, when you send your kids to school  the last thing you would think of as your loved one returning home in a box. waffling on about what's right n wrong, not a word about these kids mowed down because someone was having a bad day. R.I.P. guys.

These are the victims of the Florida school shooting
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« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2018, 05:16:13 PM »
40 years ago and still relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwwD0MwQo5w


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« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2018, 06:24:07 PM »
2 Dead University shooting

Police: 2 Dead And Gunman At Large In Central Michigan University Shooting | NBC News
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Florida Senate Rejects Ban On Assault Weapons, Votes To Arm Teachers   reuters.com

Florida Senate Rejects Ban On Assault Weapons, Votes To Arm Teachers | News Today | 03/04/2018 ...
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Re: Gunman Dead, 2 Injured In Maryland School Shooting
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2018, 02:14:20 PM »
Gunman Dead, 2 Injured In Maryland School Shooting

Gunman Dead, 2 Injured In Maryland School Shooting
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