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Title: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 09, 2016, 03:03:47 PM
Despite what the media is saying, I'm not shocked.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-polls-trump-clinton-live (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/nov/08/us-election-2016-polls-trump-clinton-live)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 10, 2016, 09:23:56 AM
The shock will rather be with his fellow Republican politicians, when they have to watch him ruining their party's image, when they need to hold him back for their own sake. All he's got now, is a chance given to him, no win of anything at all, yet. Will he prove able to improve the life situations of poor people in hat country, especially the poorer whites who in their vast majority voted for him, or will he run down things even further ? Only time can answer that! There will be a re-evaluation in four years.

Wall Street already reacted heavily to "his win", especially the stocks of the weapons' industry soared.  :-[
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: koratbob47 on November 10, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
Am American friend sent me this and I think it sums it all up
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 10, 2016, 02:46:22 PM
So would you rather have that criminal Hillary Clinton?  More emails coming out on how she mishandled classified information asking her maid in the past to print and fax classified Top Secret documents for her..... Also, how the Clinton foundation Charity used people's money to pay for things like their daughter's wedding etc.  Hillary is a criminal and should be in jail. Hillary isn't out of the woods yet. 

"Between 2009 and 2012, the Clinton Foundation raised over $500 million dollars according to a review of IRS documents by The Federalist (2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008). A measly 15 percent of that, or $75 million, went towards programmatic grants. More than $25 million went to fund travel expenses. Nearly $110 million went toward employee salaries and benefits. And a whopping $290 million during that period — nearly 60 percent of all money raised — was classified merely as “other expenses.”"

Article I, Section 9 of the U.S. Constitution actually bans foreign payola for U.S. officials. The constitutional ban on foreign cash payments to U.S. officials is known as the Emoluments Clause and originated from Article VI of the Articles of Confederation. The purpose of the clause was to prevent foreign governments from buying influence in the U.S. by paying off U.S. government officials.  No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.

"Oman, Qatar (which owns the Al-Jazeera network), Kuwait, and Algeria all funneled cash to the Clinton Foundation while Hillary was Secretary of State. Each country had business pending before the U.S. government. And it turns out that Hillary even met with the Algerian prime minister after her foundation cashed a $500,000 check from the Algerian government."

http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/02/the-u-s-constitution-actually-bans-hillarys-foreign-government-payola/ (http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/02/the-u-s-constitution-actually-bans-hillarys-foreign-government-payola/)

Obtrusive thick printing of the whole quoted article removed by admin. Size has never been an argument!


Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 10, 2016, 04:46:09 PM
I would have wanted Bernie Sanders to become President of the US. But it wasn't me to choose. And yes, I would have preferred H.C. to Trump.

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 11, 2016, 05:51:47 AM
A week ago the Democratic Party insisted that everyone accept the legitimacy of the election. Then the left blasted Trump for suggesting the election was rigged, but they are okay with protesting a fair election and declaring it illegitimate because they hate the outcome. Amazing.

There is a simple solution - just send them to their allocated, "safe space" and confine them there until they grow up. If they do not have an appropriate safe place we can provide one for them, at the expense of their parents (who are ultimately to blame for their children's lack of mental and emotional maturity). We will give them new clothes to wear, wash and preserve their existing clothing and any personal valuables, and provide sleeping, recreational and restroom facitities along with three nourishing meals a day. These facilities can either be communal or solitary depending on the degree of progress they make coming to grips with the adult world and their emotional and intellectual role in it. 
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 11, 2016, 08:12:46 AM
Who is "we", BF, a majority? The huge problem in the US is now, that Trump will be made President, while H.C won the popular vote. The country is split. Situations like that can easily escalate to a civil war. Especially in a country, where every nut can buy a gun.

The disregard of Human Rights, you seem to share with that guy, will hardly be in the majority's interest. "Grow Up", BF! And please refrain from hateful and fascist propaganda on this forum!

Trump already seems to make concessions: some of the worst parts have been removed from his website already. Are you sure, BF, that he'll still share your opinion, once he settled in? As I said before, he cannot do as he likes only, he'll be "supervised" by the rest of the Republican politicians. He'll need them, as they need him! And the "kids on the street" will need to be listened to instead of getting jailed, as you suggest, BF!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 11, 2016, 11:46:43 AM
Build that wall

Mr Trump’s signature policy is that he will build a “great wall” along the border between the United States and Mexico to keep out migrants - and to force Mexico to pay for it.


I can't see a wall keeping people out - the UK is surounded by water  :spin
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 11, 2016, 07:43:01 PM
Fascist propaganda?  Please point out to me about what I posted that perceives me to be hateful, total disregard for human rights, and supporting fascist propaganda.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  I stated facts and my opinion. 

"We," meaning the tax payers, not necessarily the majority. The democrats are simply furious at the outcome of the election, and even though Hillary may have one the PV, it was only by a few hundred thousand.  That's a drop in the bucket.  People are condemning Trump before he's even taken office, all based on things he "said." 

Quote, not from me:

"Trump's views are unconstitutional, illiberal and sometimes they trigger hate. But he did not take America to war in Iraq on flimsy evidence, establish Guantanamo in contravention of human rights law or license the torture of enemy combatants, oversee the gargantuan NSA data-gathering operation, launch a dirty war of drone strikes against both terrorists and those unfortunate enough to live near them, undermine the religious freedoms of employers who do not want to subsidize the sex lives of their workers, overrule the states' wishes on marriage, compel citizens to buy healthcare products or deport thousands of illegals through aggressive round-ups."

Civil war?  More like riots, violence, etc., especially towards Trump supporters. Here have a look at the latest.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html (http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/oregon-protest-riot/index.html)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/11/riot-declared-in-oregon-as-anti-trump-demonstrators-damage-cars-buildings.html (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/11/riot-declared-in-oregon-as-anti-trump-demonstrators-damage-cars-buildings.html)

This is what some of the anti-Trump / Hillary supporters are resorting to.

SHOCK VIDEO: MOB VICIOUSLY BEATS TRUMP VOTER (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnQNFBHHs6w#)

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Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 11, 2016, 08:24:43 PM
It's about what I don't want you to post, so nothing needs to be deleted again! :)

This is what some of the anti-Trump / Hillary supporters are resorting to.

How do you know it wasn't staged? Lotsa amateur movie producers around lately!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 12, 2016, 12:21:32 PM
Build that wall

Mr Trump’s signature policy is that he will build a “great wall” along the border between the United States and Mexico to keep out migrants - and to force Mexico to pay for it.

                                    Then who's gonna pay for it - "WARNING FOUL LANGUAGE" - in the clip below

I'm not paying for that in my opininion superb wall (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdIHzLsELyA#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 12, 2016, 01:06:22 PM
That was funny, Thaiga LOL. 
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - so that's how he won - the help of the magic cloth
Post by: thaiga on November 12, 2016, 08:31:48 PM
Monk Claims His Magic Cloth Helped Donald Trump Win

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10747/S__4300896.jpg)

Abbot Thongchai Thanjiaokhun of Wat Traimitr said Friday evening that that for the past seven months, Uranus has had a strong impact on Earth. Therefore, the astrologer believes leaders with the qualities associated with Uranus – change, innovation, idealism and freedom – would rise to a powerful position.

“Trump is the most qualified person and has these four qualities; therefore, he is fit to be the leader of 300 million Americans,” the abbot said. “Americans’ characteristics are like those of cowboys, so they have chosen a fitting leader.”

The abbot displayed one of his blessed pha yant, a type of mystical cloth believed to confer powers.

“President USA. Trump. Good luck. Win Win Win,” reads the purple cloth along with the date Aug. 29, 2016 written on it. It was shown with a letter claiming it was sent by by the director of a beauty school to Trump.

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10747/trumpmonk_pha_.jpg)

The Nov. 3 letter indicates the abbot prayed for Trump on Nov. 8, the day of the election, suggesting his powers might extend beyond linear time as well.

On Friday he displayed one of many reproductions of the cloth which he has been giving away since they went into production in August, a temple representative said Saturday.

full article khaosodenglish.com (http://www.khaosodenglish.com/culture/weirdwonderful/2016/11/12/monk-claims-magic-cloth-helped-trump-win/)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 12, 2016, 08:37:59 PM
Any more ready to turn "guilt" into cash? :)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: sowhat on November 13, 2016, 01:52:49 PM
So does this "MAGIC CLOTH" only help millionaires win elections and football clubs,can it help the poor and cure peoples ailments,now that would be more useful,or would that be false hope,but those that make a donation it might make them feel better at least

Best of Donald Trump (funny) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyIEfG-WbRk#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 13, 2016, 01:58:50 PM
I have a magic cloth. It's called, the juice rag. Every couple has one.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on November 13, 2016, 03:04:08 PM
I have a magic cloth. It's called, the juice rag. Every couple has one.
too much info.
that is disgusting,what has that got to do with trump,apart from being disgusting as well
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 13, 2016, 06:45:13 PM
So does this "MAGIC CLOTH" only help millionaires win elections and football clubs,can it help the poor and cure peoples ailments,now that would be more useful,or would that be false hope,but those that make a donation it might make them feel better at least

Well maybe the people think they could benefit from the holy cloth, as disciples packed the temple in Nakhon Si Thammarat on Sunday in a scramble to get them. The people flocked to the temple when they learned that the assistant abbot would give out two types of talisman, one of them the same as sent to Mr Trump. I take it they all kindly give a donation  ::) Here's the story (below) from the Bangkokpost.

Scramble for 'Trump' holy cloth in Nakhon Si Thammarat (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1134388/scramble-for-trump-holy-cloth-in-nakhon-si-thammarat)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 14, 2016, 06:41:51 AM
I thought most Thais like Hillary.  My in-laws can't stand the DNC or Hillary.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 14, 2016, 11:14:20 AM
Trump said he is accepting no salary, lets hope he'll pass it on to a worthy cause - but that would hardly worry a man with money, who's latest estimate is valued at around $3.7 billion - John F. Kennedy and Herbert Hoover donated their salaries to charity, according to the Independent Journal Review.

Markets indeed fell across Asia, and while Trump’s presidency policies seem to have an alarming aversion to globalization, in this article from forbes.com, it discusses how Trump’s victory will benefit startup ecosystems in Asia. Yes, BENEFIT, no typo here.


Here's Why Trump's Triumph Will Be Good For Asia's Startups

Uncertainty may drive VC money to Asia, incubating more high quality startups

Investors do not like uncertainty, no matter what type of investor they are. Unfortunately, Trump’s administration does not have many clear stances on the tech industry. The explicit stance against certain tech giants such as Amazon (Jeff Bezos, to be exact), Apple and IBM, can be correlated to uncertainties around the innovation and sustainability of startups in the U.S. and therefore pose a much higher risk for investing in startups in the U.S. In the last 18 hours, we have already experienced a healthy increase in traffic and sign-ups on Oddup from investors in the U.S. I expect some investment to flow to the Asian startup ecosystems, providing for more high quality startups going forward.

A tighter U.S. immigration policy could send more talent to Asia

It was of no surprise to hear Trump’s advocacy of tighter limits on immigration again. The reign on foreign worker visas will be tightened – this is one of Trump’s key campaign intentions. This has no doubt set off alarm bells across the U.S. tech industry which compensates and relies on highly-skilled immigrants. In my view, the tighter immigration policy could drive some talent away from Silicon Valley and the U.S. may lose its attractive sheen for young foreign tech graduates looking to work in tech startups. An alternative choice could be Asia.

Entrepreneurs in Asia are not as affected

Trump is an experienced entrepreneur and can empathize with the ...

ful article forbes.com (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesgiancotti/2016/11/11/heres-why-trumps-triumph-will-be-good-for-asias-startups/#41c90baa1de6)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 14, 2016, 11:21:08 AM
A world he doesn't know      From bangkokpost

"Mr Trump, during his campaign, said that Belgium was a village somewhere in Europe," Juncker said Friday. "I believe we'll have two years of wasted time while Mr Trump tours a world he doesn't know." (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1134313/british-french-ministers-snub-eu-talks-on-trump)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 14, 2016, 04:26:51 PM
I suppose the estimated 11 million is 2 million if you add the 1 and 1 together in 11 ;) and a nice fence would look much better than a great wall

Donald Trump outlines migrant deportation and Mexico wall plan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXCTH6t_X9U#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 15, 2016, 12:34:09 PM
Interesting riot video.  Check the guy at 3:16 of the video standing his ground against the punk rioters.  I'd do the same if that were happening to me. 

Portland descends into chaos as anti Trump riots break out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P-Kx4jFPB0#)

Another interesting thing I found on the net.  I don't know the validity of it 100%.

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 16, 2016, 01:27:56 PM
Looks like Hillary isn't out of the woods yet.  I guess this was expected to happen.  I hate politics.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/15/congressional-clinton-probes-will-go-forward-post-election-gop-lawmakers-say.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/15/congressional-clinton-probes-will-go-forward-post-election-gop-lawmakers-say.html)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Not A Buffalo on November 16, 2016, 11:20:24 PM
Funny!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 20, 2016, 09:43:26 AM
Looks like Hillary isn't out of the woods yet.  I guess this was expected to happen.  I hate politics.

[url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/15/congressional-clinton-probes-will-go-forward-post-election-gop-lawmakers-say.html[/url] ([url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/15/congressional-clinton-probes-will-go-forward-post-election-gop-lawmakers-say.html[/url])


Maybe you should read an informative article about her and the media's role in that "election" instead of just giving yourself to plain "re-spilling hatred": ;)

http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-11/hillary-clinton-image-deconstruction-susan-bordo (http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-11/hillary-clinton-image-deconstruction-susan-bordo)

There is nothing else to say about the last election in the US than "God save America!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 20, 2016, 12:43:27 PM
Can you rape your wife - i don't know. - BUT ...

Interesting comments below the article in the independent.co.uk (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/donald-trump-ex-wife-claim-he-raped-her-resurfaces-in-new-documentary-a6836151.html) from January 2016

“It surprises me that any woman in America can vote for this guy.”

Doesn't like immigrants but has married two immigrant women?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 20, 2016, 06:06:04 PM
Maybe you should read an informative article about her and the media's role in that "election" instead of just giving yourself to plain "re-spilling hatred": ;)

[url]http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-11/hillary-clinton-image-deconstruction-susan-bordo[/url] ([url]http://www.zeit.de/kultur/2016-11/hillary-clinton-image-deconstruction-susan-bordo[/url])

There is nothing else to say about the last election in the US than "God save America!


I don't hate Hillary.  I just don't support her. Besides, look what the media tried to do to Trump.  God save America?  He just did.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on November 20, 2016, 09:41:48 PM
Can you rape your wife - i don't know.

i think it's ok if she agrees  ;D



Doesn't like immigrants but has married two immigrant women

some people don't like thai's but they marry one  ::)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 21, 2016, 08:29:24 AM
Some time ago there was a news story of a Thai man raping chickens. Did the chickens object?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on November 21, 2016, 03:22:01 PM
was he a billionaire ;)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 21, 2016, 05:45:15 PM
Those were Chicks, not chickens  ;D
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - Get yer TRUMP masks ere
Post by: thaiga on November 22, 2016, 12:39:39 AM
TRUMP mask anyone  8)

Donald Trump presidency boosts Japan mask maker (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvQu5JcwjsY#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: jivvy on November 22, 2016, 08:18:40 AM

Halloween is over  :lol
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 22, 2016, 01:58:01 PM
I hope your right jivvy  :-[
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 23, 2016, 04:23:29 PM
Did Trump triumph too soon?

Experts Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States
By Gabriel Sherman

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

New York Magazine (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/activists-urge-hillary-clinton-to-challenge-election-results.html)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 23, 2016, 04:26:39 PM
"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the votes."
 (Joseph Stalin)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 24, 2016, 11:18:40 AM
http://www.dailywire.com/news/7177/fbi-yes-queen-hillary-broke-law-no-she-wont-be-ben-shapiro (http://www.dailywire.com/news/7177/fbi-yes-queen-hillary-broke-law-no-she-wont-be-ben-shapiro)

http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-the-law/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_710859 (http://nypost.com/2015/09/27/yes-hillary-clinton-broke-the-law/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_710859)

Not even in office yet.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/us-markets.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/22/us-markets.html)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: koratbob47 on November 24, 2016, 02:33:10 PM
Yes Baby Farts but 1 TRILLION $ lost in the bond market since Nov 8 ... tell you anything?
Trump has become part of the "swamp" just like every other politicians ..  reneging on all his promises ... build the wall ... now maybe a fence ?
Day one deport 11 million illegals .. now maybe deport 2 or 3 million and see about the rest of the "good" people that he called rapists before
Threatened to jail Hillary now she is a good person and does not want to do anything divisive .. hahahaha after what he was saying about gays, women, mexicans, POWs , Military Generals, Muslims, Gold Star families, etc etc etc
And he did lose by almost 2 million votes ... he was the one in 2012 that said the Electoral College was undemocratic and should be abolished and made the US the laughing stock of the world and now it appears it is okay??
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 24, 2016, 02:38:42 PM
If there are reasonable doubts about the legitimacy of the election, understandable suspicions of it having been rigged, it needs to be investigated and the outcome rectified, no matter who appears to have lost or won. That decision should be left to trained and independant judges. That the Democrats have to ask for and bear the costs, is not fair IMO. I can fully understand that supporters of HC are very upset now hearing those doubts. They'll just widen the apparent split through the US's society, if not dealt with properly. 
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 24, 2016, 06:12:54 PM
And from the bbc.com

How did Hillary Clinton get more votes and lose? (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38087150)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 24, 2016, 06:31:12 PM
Just because someone cries wolf does not necessarily indicate anything. I think that the entity who is asking for the recount etc should foot the bill. If not for that the US could face a never ending litany of perceived slights and irregularities every election. Individual states in the instance of statewide elections, as well as the federal government have the same "you want a recount, you pay for it" policy.

I also think that this election proved the worth of the US Electoral College System. For example, assuming that the popular vote differential remains the same, Clinton won CA by 3.5 million votes, which means, in my opinion of course, that this one state would have effectively decided the election if it had been decided via popular vote.

The fact is both candidate campaigns developed tactical and strategic plans to obtain the necessary number of electoral votes. If there was no Electoral College, those tactics and strategies would have been significantly different.

The other component is there is a great deal of analysis that seems to indicate that Clinton ran a pretty crappy campaign. That data tells us that many voters - men, women, minorities etc who previously voted for Obama voted for Trump this time. Clinton had no compelling reason for voters to choose her, just more of the same. States and regions that previously chose Obama went for Trump. It seems that many, when seeing more of the same for themselves and their children decided to overlook Trump's darker edges and take a chance on a true outsider. The sooner US liberals realize this and stop labeling everyone who voted for Trump as stupid, racist etc, the sooner they can get back in the mix. As it now stands, throughout statewide legislature and governorship elections the Republicans had an overwhelming victory.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: sowhat on November 24, 2016, 08:02:11 PM
be careful they might put a gag order on you :-X
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 25, 2016, 06:31:40 AM
Al,

That's exactly why the  US Electoral College System is in place.

Koratbob,

Trump is not even in office yet.  How can you judge a man who hasn't even started his job yet?  Wait until he gets sworn in and then see what gets done. Faster U.S. growth and inflation lead investors to favor stocks over bonds. Trump never called the "good" immigrants rapists and murderers, he was referring specifically to the ones that are bad.  It's the same with the ban of Muslims.  He never said it was permanent, nor did he say the Muslims living here already have to get out.  This is what the media and liberals do.....twist things and take things out of context....like the wall.  Did Trump specifically say a concrete wall or was he referring to some kind of barrier? I mean really?  Who gives a sht whether its a wall or fence.  The idea is to create a barrier and secure our borders, because they certainly are not secured now.

The laughing stock of the world right now is Hillary who thought (along with other liberals) that she had the presidency in the bag.  Didn't happen and people can complain, whine, cry, consult with therapy dogs (true), and special counselors to help get over this tragic event.  College professors can also continue to urge their students to walk out of their classes and miss exams in protest, and still get credit for it!  Wow.  The best was the sit down cry party at one university. You tell me who people are laughing at and who are the ones doing the crying.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 25, 2016, 09:00:48 AM
Guess you should read the news first, BF! After Jill Stein from the Green Party raised the 2.4 million bucks for the recount within 48 hours, things might turn out different soon.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on November 27, 2016, 12:29:39 PM
Most Thais say Trump not favourable to them: Poll

Most of Thai people say if they were Americans they would not have elected Donald Trump for president, according to the result of an opinion poll carried out by National Institute of Development Administration, or Nida Poll.

The poll was conducted on Nov 23-25 on 1,251 Thai people with a bachelor's degree education and avove throughout the country to compile their opinions on the election of Donald Trump as 45th president of the United States.

Asked whether they would vote for Mr Trump if they were American citizens, most of the respondents, or 48.68%, said "no"; 41.69% said "yes"; and the rest were not certain.

Asked what they thought the US would be like with Mr Trump as president, the respodents said the US would become more protectionist in trade and this would have a negative impact on Thai exports (23.58%); Mr Trump would make the US economy stronger (22.22%); the world economy and security would become uncertain (20.70%); Mr Trump would run the US administration as a CEO of a business firm (17.83%); American people had set their own trap by electing a nationalist and racist with no respect for women's rights (17.67%); the US jobless rate would drop because of the anti-immgrant policy (15.43%); and, the US would reduce its role as world police and the world would be more in peace (15.03%).

Bangkokpost (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1145680/most-thais-say-trump-not-favourable-to-them-poll)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 28, 2016, 08:07:02 AM
Most Thais say Trump not favourable to them: Poll

Most of Thai people say if they were Americans they would not have elected Donald Trump for president, according to the result of an opinion poll carried out by National Institute of Development Administration, or Nida Poll.

The poll was conducted on Nov 23-25 on 1,251 Thai people with a bachelor's degree education and avove throughout the country to compile their opinions on the election of Donald Trump as 45th president of the United States.

Asked whether they would vote for Mr Trump if they were American citizens, most of the respondents, or 48.68%, said "no"; 41.69% said "yes"; and the rest were not certain.

Asked what they thought the US would be like with Mr Trump as president, the respodents said the US would become more protectionist in trade and this would have a negative impact on Thai exports (23.58%); Mr Trump would make the US economy stronger (22.22%); the world economy and security would become uncertain (20.70%); Mr Trump would run the US administration as a CEO of a business firm (17.83%); American people had set their own trap by electing a nationalist and racist with no respect for women's rights (17.67%); the US jobless rate would drop because of the anti-immgrant policy (15.43%); and, the US would reduce its role as world police and the world would be more in peace (15.03%).

Bangkokpost ([url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1145680/most-thais-say-trump-not-favourable-to-them-poll[/url])


Meaningless, inconsequential information, although I must admit that Thai people calling Trump a racist is pretty funny.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 28, 2016, 09:45:07 AM
(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/trumps%27s%20election.jpg)

There can be only one consequence to this: Vote again, America, but wiser this time! Until then Obama should keep office.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 28, 2016, 09:57:11 AM
([url]http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/trumps%27s%20election.jpg[/url])

There can be only one consequence to this: Vote again, America, but wiser this time! Until then Obama should keep office.


Yup, just keeping changing and making up the rules until the outcome is one you agree with. Luckily and thankfully the US Constitution and election process do not work like that.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 28, 2016, 10:20:17 AM
Yup, just keeping changing and making up the rules until the outcome is one you agree with. Luckily and thankfully the US Constitution and election process do not work like that.

A "president-elect" shouldn't declare his election as rigged, either! :-[

It's his right to say that he was not really elected - and waive his "win".  ;D
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 28, 2016, 10:30:31 AM
A "president-elect" shouldn't declare his election as rigged, either! :-[

It's his right to say that he was not really elected - and waive his "win".  ;D

I wish he would do a better job of keeping his mouth shut. However, no matter what happens Obama's presidency ends in January.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 28, 2016, 11:34:08 AM
I wish he would do a better job of keeping his mouth shut.

No doubt, he's doing a good job as comedian!

However, no matter what happens Obama's presidency ends in January.

And who's gonna play that role, if the Trump election drama still keeps going, whatever the next act might be?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 28, 2016, 01:15:04 PM
And who's gonna play that role, if the Trump election drama still keeps going, whatever the next act might be?

That is a great question!

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html (https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on November 28, 2016, 03:10:40 PM
it's understandable that some might be upset at this guy being the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world
oh! and it shows ;)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 28, 2016, 03:34:04 PM
it's understandable that some might be upset at this guy being the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world
oh! and it shows ;)

No matter who wins an election there is a winner and a loser, and some are happy and some are not. And elections have consequences.

Such is life.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on November 29, 2016, 10:02:08 AM
Most Thais say Trump not favourable to them: Poll

Most of Thai people say if they were Americans they would not have elected Donald Trump for president, according to the result of an opinion poll carried out by National Institute of Development Administration, or Nida Poll.

The poll was conducted on Nov 23-25 on 1,251 Thai people with a bachelor's degree education and avove throughout the country to compile their opinions on the election of Donald Trump as 45th president of the United States.

Asked whether they would vote for Mr Trump if they were American citizens, most of the respondents, or 48.68%, said "no"; 41.69% said "yes"; and the rest were not certain.

Asked what they thought the US would be like with Mr Trump as president, the respodents said the US would become more protectionist in trade and this would have a negative impact on Thai exports (23.58%); Mr Trump would make the US economy stronger (22.22%); the world economy and security would become uncertain (20.70%); Mr Trump would run the US administration as a CEO of a business firm (17.83%); American people had set their own trap by electing a nationalist and racist with no respect for women's rights (17.67%); the US jobless rate would drop because of the anti-immgrant policy (15.43%); and, the US would reduce its role as world police and the world would be more in peace (15.03%).

Bangkokpost ([url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/general/1145680/most-thais-say-trump-not-favourable-to-them-poll[/url])


These words mean so much coming from people who live in a country that has had 12+ coup detat.  Ask a Thai what the difference is between a democrat and a republican.  "Uh I'm a Capricorn." 

"Most of Thai people say if they were Americans they would not have elected Donald Trump for president, according to the result of an opinion poll carried out by National Institute of Development Administration, or Nida Poll."

LOL.  Most Thais?  From where?  The farm people or the Chinese Bangkokians?  How many is, "Most?"  I wonder how many, "MOST" Thais even understand politics in a modern country, let alone Thailand.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on November 29, 2016, 01:52:16 PM
Ask a Thai what the difference is between a democrat and a republican.  "Uh I'm a Capricorn." 
one wonders why you stay here in thailand,you never have a good word to say about thai people,always run them into the ground as being non educated. what is hurting you so much to hurt others.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 29, 2016, 02:51:01 PM
Guess you should read the news first, BF! After Jill Stein from the Green Party raised the 2.4 million bucks for the recount within 48 hours, things might turn out different soon.

There is no news, only baseless accusations. Both sides and the federal government have all stated that there is no evidence of election wrongdoing. In addition, she missed the deadline for filing for a recount in Pennsylvania,  and virtually all experts say there is no chance of changing and elections results in Wisconsin where she will get a recount. She has also continued to raise the bar on the money needed with no checks and balances on where the money goes.

Also Clinton already conceded. The election is over. Time to move on.

On a side note, the same Clinton lawyers who are supporting this are fighting a Republican Party recount request in the North Carolina governor race, which actually is close enough that the results could actually change.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 29, 2016, 07:19:29 PM
Pressure on the electors seems to mount:

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/583c6e991700002500e7c984.jpeg)

Art Sisneros from Texas already decided not to vote for Trump; he resigned as elector, because he " can’t in good conscience vote for Donald Trump, and yet have sinfully made a pledge that I would, the best option I see at this time is to resign my position as an Elector”, reports the Huffington Post (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elector-resigns-over-trump_us_583c6d91e4b000af95ef19df)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on November 29, 2016, 08:26:35 PM
Pressure on the electors seems to mount:

([url]http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/583c6e991700002500e7c984.jpeg[/url])

Art Sisneros from Texas already decided not to vote for Trump; he resigned as elector, because he " can’t in good conscience vote for Donald Trump, and yet have sinfully made a pledge that I would, the best option I see at this time is to resign my position as an Elector”, reports the Huffington Post ([url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elector-resigns-over-trump_us_583c6d91e4b000af95ef19df[/url])


I would hardly call one guy waffling as mounting pressure. This is wishful thinking from a left wing internet rag.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on December 01, 2016, 12:58:53 PM
House Dems: Trump’s DC hotel a clear conflict of interest

House Democrats say President-elect Donald Trump’s hotel in Washington, D.C., raises alarms about ties between his incoming administration and his business empire.

Four top Dems on Wednesday sent a letter to the General Services Administration (GSA) asking how it will handle the relationship between Trump’s future government and his D.C. Trump International Hotel.

“Mr. Trump’s lease contains a provision specifically barring any ‘elected official of the government of the United States’ from deriving ‘any benefit’ from the agreement. We do not see this as an ambiguous provision, but as a strict and categorical ban,” they said in the letter to GSA Administrator Denise Turner Roth.

“The contractual breach threatened by Mr. Trump’s swearing-in is compounded by the general and egregious conflict of interests posed by his appointing the GSA administrator who will oversee this lease with the hotel,” they added.

“This is not a hypothetical conflict — there is a clear and very real conflict that will be triggered the moment Mr. Trump is sworn in as president of the United States unless concrete steps are taken now to avert it.”

Wednesday’s letter was signed by Rep. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.), the ranking member of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

It was also signed by Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-Ore.), the ranking member of the Committee on Transportation, and Reps. Gerald Connolly (D-Va.) and Andre Carson (D-Ind.).

The quartet argued Trump could not avoid violating his hotel lease by transferring his business interests to his family: “Even if Mr. Trump transfers control of the Trump International Hotel to his children or places it into a trust, he will still derive a financial benefit, thereby violating the terms of the lease.”

The D.C. Trump International Hotel opened last month after $200 million in renovations and is not actually owned by Trump. Trump signed a 60-year lease for the building from the federal government, directly tying him to the historic headquarters of the U.S. Post Office.

Critics have repeatedly warned that Trump’s business interests may have undue influence over his incoming presidency.

Trump said earlier Wednesday he plans on announcing in December the details of leaving his business “in total” to focus on the presidency.

The president-elect has frequently indicated he wants his children to assume control of his business, but questions remain about the ethics and logistics of that move.

thehill.com (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/308193-house-dems-trumps-dc-hotel-clear-conflict-of-interest)

Donald Trump to leave business 'in total' to concentrate on running the US (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WwEHeCl0hM#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 02, 2016, 08:09:40 AM
Good article by Bernie Sanders in the Washington Post "Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump" (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw4&wpmm=1) about him "buying" some jobs from getting outsourced to Mexico, giving the company tax and regulatory favors that the corporation has sought. Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies (the company that owns Carrier) to “pay a darn tax.”

Is that Trump's wall to Mexico, waiving tax money to reduce companies' going abroad for cheaper labor instead of letting the laborers come to the US and spend most of their earnings there again, increasing the US's domestic demand? How shortsighted that guy is!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on December 02, 2016, 09:48:56 AM
Good article by Bernie Sanders in the Washington Post "Carrier just showed corporations how to beat Donald Trump" ([url]https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/12/01/bernie-sanders-carrier-just-showed-corporations-how-to-beat-donald-trump/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw4&wpmm=1[/url]) about him "buying" some jobs from getting outsourced to Mexico, giving the company tax and regulatory favors that the corporation has sought. Just a short few months ago, Trump was pledging to force United Technologies (the company that owns Carrier) to “pay a darn tax.”

Is that Trump's wall to Mexico, waiving tax money to reduce companies' going abroad for cheaper labor instead of letting the laborers come to the US and spend most of their earnings there again, increasing the US's domestic demand? How shortsighted that guy is!


First off, Trump did not "give the company tax and regulatory favors," that was a state issue, not a federal one. And of course one would expect nothing but disdain from old socialist Bernie Sanders. Obama also previously attempted to make fun of Trump's promise to keep the Carrier jobs in the US. Now, with Clinton loosing the election, largely due to her campaign's imcompetence, and the net result being the destruction of everything that represents Obama's hoped for legacy as well as the current democrat party, I wonder who is laughing now.

http://www.therebel.media/flashback_obama_mocked_trump_for_saying_he_would_keep_cartier_jobs_in_the_us (http://www.therebel.media/flashback_obama_mocked_trump_for_saying_he_would_keep_cartier_jobs_in_the_us)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 02, 2016, 11:29:04 AM
What's the use of spilling hatred against other politician's and twisting facts, Al?  :-[

The facts of their doings are in plain sight. This thread is about Trump and his doings. Since when does the President-elect take care of Indiana state affairs?

Obviously not he alone thought that important enough to take care of it personally:

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Carrier%27s%20statement.jpg)

http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/carrier-releases-details-about-agreenment-with-trump-administration-to-stay-in-indiana (http://www.theindychannel.com/news/local-news/carrier-releases-details-about-agreenment-with-trump-administration-to-stay-in-indiana)

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Carrier%20deal.jpg)





Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on December 02, 2016, 12:48:45 PM
I apologize if you take my comments as spewing hatred. Actually I avoid most political discussions on the internet, and have gotten into it a bit here, I guess primarily because I see the need to discuss with people such as yourself, who are non American. Add to the fact that you quote Bernie Sanders as a reasonable, non partisan opinionater (is that a word?) and here I am.

Trump campaigned on loosening regulations, so that should be no surprise to anyone. In this case, it appears that the big selling point for the company to remain in Indiana were the tax breaks that that state offered - that is something that is done throughout the country - I would hope that numbers are run and analyzed on costs vs. benefits before agreements are sealed. And again, that is a state issue, not a federal one. Either way Obama seemed to take pride in his opinion that keeping that corp in the US could not be done, and Trump did it.

Actually - full disclosure - I found little or nothing to like about either of the major presidential candidates this time around and even less concerning the third party candidates. My loyalty lies in the system, the Electoral College and the rules and laws. I am offended by those who seem to want to change the rules now that their candidate lost, knowing full well that neither candidate would take losing very well.

Your point where you stated, "Is that Trump's wall to Mexico, waiving tax money to reduce companies' going abroad for cheaper labor instead of letting the laborers come to the US and spend most of their earnings there again, increasing the US's domestic demand? How shortsighted that guy is!" is misleading, and perhaps spewing hatred as well. Trump, and his supporters are against illegal immigration - name me another major country that allows open borders and people flowing, absolutely unrestricted, across those borders to be embraced with health care etc. Immigration is important, but it should be legal and controlled. That does not seem as such a wild idea to me.

US manufacturing jobs have been lost in huge numbers over the past many years and Trump capitalized on that fact. The problem is that many, if not most were lost due to automation, and will never be back. His ideas on trade worry me greatly, because I am a free trade guy. I think trade agreements between regions and countries eventually raises all ships and one country cannot penalize other countries for very long without expecting a great deal of backlash. Look back at the Smoot Hawley tariff act, which was the primary cause of the great depression.

Peace.

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on December 02, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
one wonders why you stay here in thailand,you never have a good word to say about thai people,always run them into the ground as being non educated. what is hurting you so much to hurt others.

I know why I'm here and it certainly isn't because of the lucrative opportunities Thailand has to offer foreigners. I'll give you a hint....I get plenty of it. Why are you here?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on December 02, 2016, 02:02:58 PM
I get plenty of it
but can you eat it  :lol :lol :lol

post edited by thaiga
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 02, 2016, 03:42:46 PM
I apologize if you take my comments as spewing hatred. Actually I avoid most political discussions on the internet, and have gotten into it a bit here, I guess primarily because I see the need to discuss with people such as yourself, who are non American. Add to the fact that you quote Bernie Sanders as a reasonable, non partisan opinionater (is that a word?) and here I am.

You seem to think, if people are not American, they can't know about America or its polticians, they need to be taught by you. Then you "grade" other opinionators (yes, it is a word!) by their political ideas instead of their ability to discuss.

Back to the topic: I referred to an article by Bernie Sanders, in which he criticised Trump for selling tax favors as a bad example. And how did you comment on that? "And of course one would expect nothing but disdain from old socialist Bernie Sanders." No substance at all in that already. And on you go with a tirade on Clinton and Obama. As if they had anything to do with Trump trading tax favors and selling that to his voters as improvement.

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Al on December 02, 2016, 04:23:16 PM
In previous posts concerning the US court system I corrected your errors, so I suspect that you are not as smart as you think you are on subjects related to the US.

To conclude that any politician, especially one as left as Bernie Sanders - and yes the far right as well - is simply crafting an unbiased perspective of an accomplishment from someone of the opposing party is naive.

I brought Obama and Clinton into the equation because of Obama's wrong headed conclusion concerning the saving of the jobs. I don't recall that he tried. And then in the last day or so his White House staff provided petty, in my mind, comments concerning this issue. So yes, he is a part of the equation. As are you with your simplistic comments concerning the US/Mexico border.

It seems to me that when one disagrees with your opinion, you are offended.

No problem, color me gone.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 02, 2016, 07:03:02 PM
In previous posts concerning the US court system I corrected your errors, so I suspect that you are not as smart as you think you are on subjects related to the US.

Your "correcting errors" still cannot change my opinion, that big parts of the US judicial system are not fair and need improvement.

To conclude that any politician, especially one as left as Bernie Sanders - and yes the far right as well - is simply crafting an unbiased perspective of an accomplishment from someone of the opposing party is naive.

Guess it's not possible for you to look at the arguments only, without biased regard to the person, who brought the argument.

It seems to me that when one disagrees with your opinion, you are offended.

Guess you don't understand the effect of your own words. For example, calling others "not as smart as (they) think" might be a compliment in your eyes. But I can't imagine many people sharing your view.
Title: Re: Trump, backers ask courts to halt or block 3 state recounts
Post by: thaiga on December 03, 2016, 06:02:13 PM
Trump, backers ask courts to halt or block 3 state recounts

President-elect Donald Trump and his supporters went to court Friday to prevent or halt election recounts in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, less than two weeks before the states would have to complete the tasks to meet a federal deadline to certify their election results.

"In an election already tainted by suspicion, previously expressed by Donald Trump himself, verifying the vote is a common-sense procedure that would address concerns around voter disenfranchisement, "Stein said in a statement. "Trump's desperate attempts to silence voter demands raise a simple question: why is Donald Trump afraid of these recounts?"

full article wtol.com (http://www.wtol.com/story/33850428/wisconsins-walker-expects-little-change-after-recount)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 04, 2016, 09:39:44 AM
Even Sarah Palin now criticises Trump's tax deal with Carrier. Guess he should have given her a position in his cabinet in time. :evilgrin

"I am ecstatic for Carrier employees! Their bosses just decided to keep shop onshore. What a relief for hundreds of workers. Merry Christmas Indiana!

We don’t yet know terms of the public/private deal that was cut to make the company stay, but let’s hope every business is equally incentivized to keep Americans working in America."

Young Cons (http://www.youngcons.com/sarah-palin-but-wait-the-good-guys-wont-win-with-more-crony-capitalism/)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on December 04, 2016, 10:53:04 AM
I feel somewhat remorse for even starting this topic. So much negativity, and I'll be the first to raise my hand and say I'm guilty of it too.  The left, the right....it's almost like Thailand with the red shirts, yellow shirts, black shirts, and so on.  If I've offended anyone in this thread, I offer my humble apologies, especially to Nan for the hurtful comments I made in a previous post.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on December 04, 2016, 12:32:39 PM
One of the chief concerns of President-elect Donald Trump's detractors during the presidential campaign was that the brash and notoriously loose-lipped real estate executive wouldn't be able to handle the delicate balancing act that is diplomacy. It's one thing to make wild claims domestically; it's another to inflame a fellow world power with a careless word or two. washingtonpost.com (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/03/donald-trump-keeps-confirming-fears-about-his-diplomatic-skills/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpdiplomacy-fix-1130am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.0bdde721b3a4)

What is the story behind Trump's phone call with Taiwan? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IwYvRCXi2Y#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - so that's how he won
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 06, 2016, 08:34:34 AM
Monk Claims His Magic Cloth Helped Donald Trump Win


The contest is on! The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/04/us-election-the-mind-reading-software-that-could-provide-the-sec/) and others reported beforehand already, what the Brit company Cambridge Analytica (https://cambridgeanalytica.org/) now claims, Trump has won the election with their assistance in "audience targeting". In other words they claim to have helped him with their advice and support find the right way to make people go wrong, told him how to talk, twitter and post on Facebook, so his audience follows him blinded. Interesting theory. They claim to have based their advice on psychograms of voters based on their Facebook activities, so everyone could hear, what he wanted to hear, everyone "cheated himself" with an illusion. Even George Orwell didn't have that much foresight. What, if it's true, if a think tank with their computers and mind-reading software and algorithms can make us vote for politicians against our natural understanding and desire? That company promises: "Our product set lets you control every aspect of your audience engagement by building crucial information flows and behavioral connections.".

Scary enough, that company had also worked for the Brexit!

There is a lengthy article about this in German in the Swiss newspaper tagesanzeiger.ch. You can read it in English via Google translator (or Thai, if you change the target language) using this link (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dasmagazin.ch%2F2016%2F12%2F03%2Fich-habe-nur-gezeigt-dass-es-die-bombe-gibt%2F&edit-text=&act=url)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - Did Russia help Trump win election
Post by: thaiga on December 11, 2016, 01:31:48 PM
Secret CIA assessment says Russia was trying to help Trump win White House

washingtonpost.com (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/obama-orders-review-of-russian-hacking-during-presidential-campaign/2016/12/09/31d6b300-be2a-11e6-94ac-3d324840106c_story.html?utm_term=.9f37a668eb0b)


Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 12, 2016, 08:01:58 AM
"Trump suggested in the “Fox News Sunday” appearance that he will retain a stake in his business as president, a possibility that has raised questions among ethics experts, and he questioned the idea that making deals for his company from the White House would represent a conflict of interest." )Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/12/11/trump-denies-cia-report-russia-intervened-to-help-him-win-election/?wpisrc=nl_wemost-draw4&wpmm=1)

"When I ran, everybody knew that I was a very big owner of real estate all over the world,” Trump said, adding that he would not be involved in the day-to-day management of his company as president. “I’m not going to be doing deals at all. Now that would be — I don’t even know if that’s a conflict. I mean, I have the right to do it. You know, under the law, I have the right to do it."

Guess he doesn't understand, that "being involved" does not necessarily mean to manage it himself, that it means how unlikely it is for him to make unbiased decisions, that it puts a huge burden on the control mechanisms in the US to keep him from abusing his office. And since he his already in disagreement about the CIA's view on Russia having actively supported his election by hacking, and especially since he is not interested in the daily briefings, that he just wants to run the country all by himself and without even hearing the experts advice at all, shows how unfit he is to be president of the US, unless he wants to eliminate democracy and turn it into a banana republic.

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on December 13, 2016, 08:59:57 PM
dear mr trumpet,if you want to impress the people,sell all your assets,giving the money to the poorer people of your much loved country,that would tell the people something about yourself and show your love to the american people.
Title: Re: China warns Trump of 'crushing his own toes' on Taiwan
Post by: thaiga on December 14, 2016, 12:38:58 AM
China warns Trump of 'crushing his own toes' on Taiwan

China offered its sternest rebuke yet to Donald Trump, saying anyone who challenges Beijing's interests in Taiwan will "lift a rock only to crush his own toes".

"If he tries to sabotage the One China policy or harm China's core interests, ultimately he will lift a rock only to crush his own toes," Chinese foreign minister Wang Yi said Monday in Switzerland according to comments posted on the ministry's web site.

China is closely monitoring developments, he said, issuing a warning against "any person or force in the world" looking to play tough with Beijing on Taiwan.

The comments come after Trump said he could jettison Washington's decades-old "One China policy" -- a diplomatic dodge allowing the US to simultaneously do business with Beijing and Taipei.

On Tuesday Chinese media sent another fusillade toward the "presumptuous and ill-guided" president-elect, slamming his approach to Taiwan as a recipe for disaster.

"Beijing should be prepared for the worst-case scenarios, particularly regarding Taiwan, as a presumptuous and ill-guided Trump looks set to usher in an era of turmoil," the state-run China Daily said in an editorial accompanied by a cartoon of the billionaire politician sitting on a powder keg.

"Trump's bloated and bloating ego may prevent him from seeing that is the likely outcome that lies ahead if he persists with this gamble."

China regards self-ruling Taiwan as part of its own territory awaiting reunification under Beijing's rule.

The nationalistic Global Times newspaper warned Trump in its editorial Tuesday that "pride goes before a fall", and said he had lost the "strategic initiative" by revealing his strategy of "blackmailing" China.

"Especially in the Taiwan Strait, China is now confident enough to arm-wrestle with Trump," it said.

Trump shocked the diplomatic establishment and angered Beijing by speaking directly with Taiwan's leader Tsai Ing-wen after his election victory.

After fierce criticism of the move, he upped the ante, taking to Twitter to ask why he should not be allowed to speak to Tsai, then attacking Chinese foreign and economic policy.

On Sunday, he went a step further, saying he did not see why Washington must "be bound by a One China policy unless we make a deal with China having to do with other things, including trade."

The remarks were a step too far for Beijing, which had initially seemed resigned to taking a wait-and-see approach to the president-elect.

Trump's comments also earned a rare rebuke from the White House, with spokesman Josh Earnest warning the president-elect that Taiwan is not a "bargaining chip".

Bangkokpost (http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/asia/1158545/china-warns-trump-of-crushing-his-own-toes-on-taiwan)
Title: America's president made by Russia?
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 18, 2016, 08:55:40 AM
Finally FBI and CIA agree. Will the people from the electoral college take the real steps now? What could be the real steps? Voting for Clinton or voting the whole election void? Could they declare the election void? I guess it's too late for any other option than electing Clinton to keep Russia from pulling the strings for the next four years in the US. Will the electorates dare to take responsibility for their country?


"FBI in agreement with CIA that Russia aimed to help Trump win White House

FBI Director James B. Comey and Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr. are in agreement with a CIA assessment that Russia intervened in the 2016 election in part to help Donald Trump win the White House, officials disclosed Friday, as President Obama issued a public warning to Moscow that it could face retaliation."

Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clinton-blames-putins-personal-grudge-against-her-for-election-interference/2016/12/16/12f36250-c3be-11e6-8422-eac61c0ef74d_story.html?wpisrc=nl_wemost-draw4&wpmm=1)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: KiwiCanadian on December 19, 2016, 12:39:00 AM
J-F I do not agree with the Washington Post.
It is owned now by Jeff Bezos who owns Amazon and is aligned with Democratic party.

Have you read the alternate news to then get the other side of the story, that way one can make a more educated assesment of the who cuffuddle that has happend in Washington.
As for J Comey he has been jumping the fence and doesn't know where to stand, another puppet of the Dem's.

I am not saying Trump is squeaky clean But the Obama, Clinton mess certainly needs draining from the swamp.

This is purely my view and I am Ok if you don't agree.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on December 19, 2016, 10:10:51 AM
Have you read the alternate news to then get the other side of the story, that way one can make a more educated assesment

You think, I need to make a "more educated assesment"? Since I'm not confined to reading news in English only, of course I read the notable news sites SPIEGEL, ZEIT, WELT, FAZ in my native language German first, before I venture to other international sites like WP, NYT etc. to confirm my opinion formation and post on an online forum. The ownership of a single medium therefore has no impact on my opinion formation.  :)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on January 06, 2017, 10:45:26 PM
Donald Trump Is Understating His Debt by $500 Million (http://fortune.com/2016/03/23/donald-trump-debt/)

REVEALED: Donald Trump's Debt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NunRt-PaDTk#)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on January 10, 2017, 07:40:02 PM
Was it nasty or just logic, when Boris couldn't get a date with BigD for a shot to put in the family album, when he went to Washington? Or was he kept from the risk of meeting him, after he said he feared so:

Boris Johnson: The only reason I wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump

Mayor of London responds to Donald Trump's controversial comments saying some parts of London were 'no-go areas' because of large Muslim communities  (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-the-only-reason-i-wouldnt-go-to-some-parts-of-new-york-is-the-real-risk-of-meeting-a6765201.html)

Soul brother Nigel already had 3 dates with BigD, proudly showing pics.

And I thought Melania was the model!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - Women's Marches Go Global
Post by: thaiga on January 22, 2017, 06:03:49 PM
Anti Trump Women's Marches Go Global

Panel Discuss Anti Trump Women's Marches Go Global Saturday #POTUS 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l0VxnLuH-8#)
Title: Re: "Alternative Facts"
Post by: Johnnie F. on January 26, 2017, 10:00:24 AM
Read The true, correct story of what happened at Donald Trump’s inauguration (https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2017/01/24/the-true-correct-story-of-what-happened-at-donald-trumps-inauguration/). That view becomes more understandable after reading about this analysis (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/01/25/we-asked-people-which-inauguration-crowd-was-bigger-heres-what-they-said/) ;D



Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on January 26, 2017, 01:20:00 PM
The true correct story, brill, the feeding of the five thousand - but nothing about walking on water ;)

drawing attention away from deception

Secret of magic trick of walking on water revealed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dycpIPTFJ04#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on January 26, 2017, 04:20:09 PM
walking on thin ice,no problem,perfection ;D
Title: Re: "Alternative Facts"
Post by: Johnnie F. on January 28, 2017, 04:33:20 PM
A very good analysis of the purpose and danger of Trump's press speaker Sean Spicer hammering "Alternative Facts" into peoples' heads can be read there:

http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-01/alternative-facts-donald-trump-sean-spicer-media/komplettansicht (http://www.zeit.de/politik/ausland/2017-01/alternative-facts-donald-trump-sean-spicer-media/komplettansicht)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on January 31, 2017, 09:14:33 AM
Theresa May invited Trump to visit the UK. Looks like UK citizens think he should not be allowed to come. There is a petition:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928 (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928)

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/Daily%20Mirror.jpg) (https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on February 04, 2017, 01:52:26 PM
(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/America%20first.jpg)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: jivvy on February 04, 2017, 03:54:32 PM
Donald Trump steps out of the White House in the dead of winter. Right in front of him, on the White House lawn, he sees “Donald Trump Sucks” written in urine across the snow.

Well, he's pretty ticked off. He storms into his security staff’s HQ, and reads the security guys the riot act, while they stay silent and stare ashamedly at the floor.

Trump hollers “Well dammit, don’t just sit there! Get out and find out who did it! I want an answer, and I want it tonight!”

Later that evening, the chief security officer approaches Trump and says: “Well Mr. President, we have some bad news and we have some really bad news. Which do you want first?”

Trump says “Give me the bad news first.”

The officer says “Well, we took a sample of the urine and tested it. The results just came back, and it was Mike Pence’s urine.”

Trump says “Oh my, I feel so... so... betrayed! My own vice-president! darn. ...well, what’s the really bad news?”

The officer replies “Well, it’s Melania’s handwriting.”
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on February 04, 2017, 05:47:53 PM
Nice one jivvy - he would make a good market trader - here's a clip from 2015 worth a view

10 Horrible Insults From Donald Trump (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37zvOZ17eSE#)
Title: Re: Trump and presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on February 27, 2017, 09:54:17 AM
Too good to be true!!

(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/trump-russia.jpg) (http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/home/2017/2/26/trump-renounces-us-citizenship-immigrates-to-russia)

http://www.hillarybeattrump.org (http://www.hillarybeattrump.org/home/2017/2/26/trump-renounces-us-citizenship-immigrates-to-russia)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on March 17, 2017, 02:35:55 PM
Do you think, I should risk trying their inedible food again as reward?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on March 17, 2017, 03:13:42 PM
Small hands is that why his trump tower looks big :evilgrin
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on March 17, 2017, 04:03:33 PM
Maybe they mean, he can't hold a BigMac; but his mouth is certainly big enough.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on March 18, 2017, 02:12:00 PM
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/mcdonalds-twitter-account-appears-to-have-been-hacked-posts-anti-trump-tweet.html (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/16/mcdonalds-twitter-account-appears-to-have-been-hacked-posts-anti-trump-tweet.html)

Probably another disgruntled democrat.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on March 18, 2017, 03:52:57 PM
but his mouth is certainly big enough.
he keeps putting his foot in it :spin
Title: Trump's campain now officially under FBI investigation
Post by: Johnnie F. on March 20, 2017, 10:15:53 PM
he keeps putting his foot in it :spin


Let's hope he can keep doing that in jail only in future:

 (CNN)FBI Chief James Comey said publicly for the first time Monday that his agency is investigating alleged links between Russia and the Trump campaign and whether any crimes may have been committed during last year's election campaign.
"That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts," Comey said in his opening statement to a dramatic hearing before the House Intelligence Committee.

More at CNN (http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/20/politics/comey-hearing-russia-wiretapping/index.html)
Title: Does Trump release his campain from FBI investigation?
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 10, 2017, 09:19:49 AM
FBI Chief James Comey said publicly for the first time Monday that his agency is investigating alleged links between Russia and the Trump campaign and whether any crimes may have been committed during last year's election campaign.
"That includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump campaign and the Russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and Russia's efforts,"

Sadly he can't contnue that investigation now! :-[

Quote
President Trump fired FBI Director James B. Comey on Tuesday, at the recommendation of senior Justice Department officials who said he had treated Hillary Clinton unfairly and in doing so damaged the credibility of the FBI and the Justice Department.
(Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/comey-misstated-key-clinton-email-evidence-at-hearing-say-people-close-to-investigation/2017/05/09/074c1c7e-34bd-11e7-b373-418f6849a004_story.html?wpisrc=nl_most-draw4&wpmm=1))

Now why does President Trump not resign himself, because he was elected due to that unfair treatment of HC?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on May 11, 2017, 09:16:26 AM
JF,

Probably because the justice department recommended the firings, both the attorney general and deputy attorney general.  Interesting too how it was the democrats that wanted Comey fired sometime back.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 12, 2017, 10:54:22 AM
No, BF, he keeps maintaining, the credits were all his. Guess he cornered himself with that move. To distract from that glitch he now wants to "investigate, how many illegal votes were given to HC". I expect that to backfire as well, let his investigators find out, how many voted illegally for the megalomaniac himself. His fellow Republicans must be getting tired of him sooner not later. BTW the most popular word that springs to Americans mind, when they think of DT is "Idiot', researchers of Quinnipiac University in Connecticut found out (https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2456) (Scroll down to poll question number 9). Americans must really love their president a lot, not only the approval rating of mere 36% shows!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 18, 2017, 10:47:32 AM
Isn't he good as entertainer, echoing speeches as president that were written for comedies? After all, he is "legally blonde", not just performs that.

Trump plagiarized his commencement speech from LEGALLY BLONDE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6EFFgpV5s#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 26, 2017, 07:12:36 AM
More comedy from Trump in Brussels yesterday: "The Germans are bad, very bad! Look at the millions of cars they sell in the US. Terrible! We will stop that",  he's reported having said.

How will he keep Americans from buying - or better "investing in" - what they like? ;D

If he puts high import taxes on cars from Germany, he'll only make those more desired for their value. And who would then still want to park a domestic American brand in front of his house, if he has to fear his neighbors' commenting: "Look, they made that loser buy some junk from Detroit which is using illegal emissions software that allowed the vehicles to bypass government emissions tests and pollute far beyond legal limits on the road*", while about even an old Mercedes or BMW etc. they might say: "Oh, he's got one of those classy foreign cars that go for a fortune now! A winner!" Just keep on polarizing, Donald! That really means losing.

*see GM Sued by Diesel Truck Owners Over Emissions (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2017/05/25/gm-sued-by-diesel-truck-owners-over-emissions.html)

P.s. Read The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/trumps-alleged-slight-against-germans-generates-confusion-backlash/2017/05/26/0325255a-4219-11e7-b29f-f40ffced2ddb_story.html?tid=hybrid_experimentrandom_1_na) on this behavior of a "president".
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 28, 2017, 10:00:18 AM
No further comment necessary than "America first!" He just must be in front and in the center:

Donald Trump pushes the Prime Minister of Montenegro Video - Donald Trump Latest News - Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1YsmpGtRp4#)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 28, 2017, 04:06:14 PM
After pushing another head of state aside for being more in the picture will he move into the recording business, too, to be heard better?

Could become a hit like that

I Am The Greatest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9Rj58ZTUNc#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on May 28, 2017, 04:52:33 PM
Luv the vinyl - I Am The Greatest - Greatest what  ;)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 29, 2017, 07:38:57 AM
Ok, the positions on these "family photos" are pre-arranged, and Trump might have been assigned a position in the first row. So he was " only" shoving Montenegro's prime minister Dusko Markovic out of the way in getting to his place. But how he did that, totally ignorant of others, without a "Pardon me" or "Excuse me", and even more with the face he puts up when afterwards straightening his jacket (like blowing the smoke off a just fired gun) instead of a late "Sorry" to Markovic, speaks volumes.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 29, 2017, 01:24:42 PM
Greatest what  ;)


Maybe hand, you know, the hand that can grope any woman, as he bragged. Melania seems to know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m30oT1z-_MQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m30oT1z-_MQ#)

At least she seems to know when he's supposed to use his hand as the patriot he pretends to be and reminds him:

Melania forced Trump to raise hand during the National Anthem (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoC63NqJ2ZI#)

The pope learned it.

Angry Pope slaps Trump's hand | Awkward MOMENT (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zBDG0Z_6i8#)

But Macron was obviously not afraid of holding his hand quite long:

Trump's handshake with Macron was 'screw you in handshake form'  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJY3n_ZilU4#)

though at first Macron didn't seem to notice Trump at all.

Macron Ignores Trump (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMkQLhqgN7Q#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on May 31, 2017, 11:15:01 AM
Let's give him a hand.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on May 31, 2017, 12:43:31 PM
Let's give him a hand.

A hand (clapping)? Guess more people would like to hear the sound of feet (kicking).
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 02, 2017, 09:30:53 AM
Desperate for publicity to keep people from understanding internal problems of the US?

"Trump announced Thursday afternoon that he is withdrawing the United States from the landmark Paris climate agreement. (...) The United States joins only two countries — Nicaragua and Syria — in opposing a climate agreement reached by all other nations in 2015."

Wow, named together with Nicaragua and Syria in the same breath must make his followers really proud.  :-[

"In a gesture to those who had encouraged him to remain in the accord, Trump said he was open to negotiating a new climate deal that, in his assessment, would be more fair to U.S. interests.

“We’re getting out,” he added, “but we will start to negotiate and we will see if we can make a deal that’s fair. If we can, that’s great. And if we can’t, that’s fine.”" (Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/paloma/the-energy-202/2017/06/01/the-energy-202-trump-made-up-his-mind-on-paris-now-the-rest-of-the-world-will-do-the-same-on-him/592f0347e9b69b2fb981dc07/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw4&wpmm=1))

Didn't I hear similar from the Brexiteers in Britain?  :)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 02, 2017, 05:19:01 PM
Let's give him a hand.


Looks like he prefers another gesture: the famous middle finger

Trump gives the middle finger to the Prime Minister of Italy-The original Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPVLOnR7pvQ#)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: jivvy on June 04, 2017, 06:34:39 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 06, 2017, 05:49:03 PM
Firing seems to be a game he likes to play:
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on June 07, 2017, 01:33:23 PM
:lol
i like that mr.jivvy,could donald really be donald,quackers

               :cheers
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 08, 2017, 07:50:48 PM
What Donald, Comey's getting you into trouble over your friends' Russian connections?

Cheer up with Vicente Fox:

A Message for Donald Trump from Former Mexican President Vicente Fox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWlrauHGAbY#)

Another Message for Donald Trump from Former Mexican President Vicente Fox (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYZKrn7Bbl8#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on June 09, 2017, 06:44:32 AM
More childish attacks on Trump and coming from an ex-president (and not a very good one at that) to infer about penis size, make a ton of generalizations, etc., just shows how low some people are willing to go in order to try and prove something...like the FAKE news.  I call it humor propaganda.  Trump said he was going to stir things up and that's exactly what he's doing.  I personally agree with the wall.  Fck those Mexicans who come across our border and receive benefits without being citizens. Then we have all the drug running and drug cartel. Isn't that the REAL reason the Mexicans are so upset?  How do you think the idea of a wall came up in the first place?  Think about that for a moment....and how about North Korea?  Should we just do nothing and take a back seat to it like Obama did?  The fcking North Koreans are threatening my home state where I grew up along with my family past generations.  There is a reason why the North Koreans don't take us seriously and the bleeding heart liberal (http://serve.mysmiley.net/sign/sign0055.gif) lefties- cannot blame Trump for that, but knowing how the lefties think, they'll "Trump" up (pun intended) something to try and turn things around and criticize the president.  Still broken hearted that Hillary lost the election. Look at her still whining away about it everyday, including Obama, and the rest of the left side.   
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 09, 2017, 11:01:32 AM
I wonder who might be worse: a former politician turned entertainer or a former entertainer turned poltician? The latter seems making (not running) a show. A good part of the world watched Comey's testimonial yesterday live. Now the Republicans will have a hard time splitting hairs over how "hoping somebody would do" as a person higher but not directly above in the chain of command differs from telling him directly what to do. There is no more face to be kept or even won by that president and his fellows. Sure, Comey should not have stood for that "beating around the bush" and told Trump directly to back off with his inappropriate "insinuations". In any case lesson to be learned is not to trust a guy who seeks privacy off the concerned official like Sessions in highest official matters. Sessions and Kushner, who less willingly left Comey all alone exposed to Trump's inapproprate requests, will have a hard time explaining, what they thought of the order by Trump to leave the room for Comey to be left to him alone. I definitely hope there are tapes of that conversation, as Trump "hinted" probably with the intention of silencing Comey.

Trump should resign!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 12, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold) reports: "Donald Trump has told Theresa May in a phone call he does not want to go ahead with a state visit to Britain until the British public supports him coming. The US president said he did not want to come if there were large-scale protests and his remarks in effect put the visit on hold for some time."

Anybody in tears now! ;)

I like that part from a comment in The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/11/trump-scared-uk-protest-us-president): "Maybe he didn’t fancy the trip without Theresa there to hold his hand; to keep him strong and stable, as it were. Even he might blanch – all the way from Tango orange to the whitest white – at the idea of skipping through the Downing Street rose garden hand in hand with Phil the spreadsheet Hammond or Boris Johnson."

Oh, and police blew up something in a controlled detonation yesterday, after 2 suspicious cars had been seen in London near the new US Embassy building the night before May's "re-election". CIA operatives or somebody else preparing?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 12, 2017, 05:21:40 PM
D.C. and Maryland to sue President Trump, alleging breach of constitutional oath

Attorneys general for the District of Columbia and the state of Maryland say they will sue President Trump on Monday, alleging that he has violated anti-corruption clauses in the Constitution by accepting millions in payments and benefits from foreign governments since moving into the White House.

The lawsuit, the first of its kind brought by government entities, centers on the fact that Trump chose to retain ownership of his company when he became president. Trump said in January that he was shifting his business assets into a trust managed by his sons to eliminate potential conflicts of interests.

But D.C. Attorney General Karl A. Racine (D) and Maryland Attorney General Brian E. Frosh (D) say Trump has broken many promises to keep separate his public duties and private business interests. For one, his son Eric Trump has said the president would continue to receive regular updates about his company’s financial health.

The lawsuit, a signed copy of which Racine and Frosh provided to The Washington Post on Sunday night, alleges “unprecedented constitutional violations” by Trump. The suit says Trump’s continued ownership of a global business empire has rendered the president “deeply enmeshed with a legion of foreign and domestic government actors” and has undermined the integrity of the U.S. political system. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-politics/dc-and-maryland-to-sue-president-trump-alleging-breach-of-constitutional-oath/2017/06/11/0059e1f0-4f19-11e7-91eb-9611861a988f_story.html)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 14, 2017, 09:40:36 AM
Jeff Sessions "testified" yesterday about Russian interference with the last US elections. Looks like the Know-Nothing-Movement is striking the US again! How can a guy who suffers from Amnesia so much and keeps forgetting important facts like his meetings with the Russian ambassador be Attorney General?

And this is interesting;

"Preet Bharara, the former United States attorney in Manhattan, said on Sunday that President Trump tried to cultivate a relationship with him in the months before he was abruptly fired in March.

Mr. Bharara said the contacts with Mr. Trump made him increasingly uncomfortable because they broke with longstanding Justice Department rules on communicating with the White House. Mr. Bharara, who first publicly disclosed the contacts and his concerns about them after he was fired, said Mr. Trump’s communications were strikingly similar to those between the president and those described by the former F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, who was fired last month.

“When I’ve been reading the stories of how the president has been contacting Jim Comey over time, felt a little bit like déjà vu,” Mr. Bharara said Sunday on “This Week” on ABC.

New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/11/us/politics/preet-bharara-trump-contacts.html?_r=0)

I wonder, whether Trump had also asked Sessions to recommend Bhara's firing. :-[
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 14, 2017, 09:57:54 PM
Oh, and another lawsuit:


Politics
Congressional Democrats to file emoluments lawsuit against Trump

Nearly 200 Democratic members of Congress agreed to file a lawsuit Wednesday against President Trump alleging that by retaining interests in a global business empire he has violated constitutional restrictions on taking gifts and benefits from foreign leaders.

Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/congressional-democrats-to-file-emoluments-lawsuit-against-trump/2017/06/13/270e60e6-506d-11e7-be25-3a519335381c_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_hp-breaking-news%3Apage%2Fbreaking-news-bar&tid=a_breakingnews&utm_term=.c693414ee993)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on June 15, 2017, 06:41:26 AM
The Washington Post no doubt. The demi lefties still grasping at straws. It's actually kind of amusing how desperate the lefties are becoming at trying to oust Trump.  Kiddy propaganda, lies, the fake media, etc. I wonder why the lefties haven't exhibited their stances on the Clintons.  How about starting with their charity foundation.  You know, the one they pocket most of the money from. Oh wait, we can't have that.  The more Trump gets the job done, the more the lefties liberals hate him because it shows how useless the Obama administration was. Another thing. Obama did absolutely nothing to rescue Americans prisioned in North Korea. Look at the pictures and video of Otto Warmbier.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 15, 2017, 07:55:27 AM
How satisfied Trump acted, when Comey testified, that he personally had not been target of the FBI investigation. Must be a shock for him, that he is now!

Special counsel is investigating Trump for possible obstruction of justice, officials say (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/special-counsel-is-investigating-trump-for-possible-obstruction-of-justice/2017/06/14/9ce02506-5131-11e7-b064-828ba60fbb98_story.html?tid=pm_pop)

Sorry, BF, I don't read "Breitbart News". If you want to know their version, you gotta look it up yourself!  :)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on June 28, 2017, 08:38:25 AM
(http://koratfart.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10001/fake%20news.jpg)

Fake news, produced by <guess whom>!

Breaking down Trump's fake TIME magazine cover (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6gg-EErejM#)

Looks like he has some problem with his reversal of Obamacare: Postponed in Congress until after Independence Day! Wall Street keeps losing, the Dollar got to its lowest against the Euro since 10 month. Lets hope that National Holiday on July 4 makes some Congressmen think about independence and democracy!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on June 29, 2017, 12:26:28 AM
I guess he wish he had a time machine right now
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on July 01, 2017, 05:39:19 PM
can u smell nutmeg

The Check In: Private Prisons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGESalMRrEs#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on July 03, 2017, 03:14:34 PM
I guess he wish he had a time machine right now


What does he need a time machine for? He can just behave like a juvenile; he's the president:

Donald Trump - CNN, the fraud news (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw-Us1J2f4w#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 13, 2017, 09:44:42 AM
Trump supporters and KKK yesterday revived the Civil War in Charlottesville,VA. They want to "take America back and make it great again". Three dead and dozens injured so far.


"President Trump, known for his rapid-fire tweets, remained silent throughout the morning. It was after 1 p.m. when he weighed in, writing on Twitter: “We ALL must be united & condemn all that hate stands for. There is no place for this kind of violence in America. Lets come together as one!”

In brief remarks at a late-afternoon news conference in New Jersey to discuss veterans’ health care, Trump said he was following the events in Charlottesville closely. “The hate and the division must stop and must stop right now,” Trump said, without specifically mentioning white nationalists or their views. “We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. On many sides.”

Former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, a Trump supporter who was in Charlottesville on Saturday, quickly replied. “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists,” he wrote.

Dozens of the white nationalists in Charlottesville were wearing red Make America Great Again hats. Asked by a reporter in New Jersey whether he wanted the support of white nationalists, Trump did not respond."

Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/fights-in-advance-of-saturday-protest-in-charlottesville/2017/08/12/155fb636-7f13-11e7-83c7-5bd5460f0d7e_story.html?undefined=&wpisrc=nl_most&wpmm=1)

White nationalist rally turns violent in Charlottesville, VA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuI5kfSFAJc#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 19, 2017, 12:55:32 AM
Steve Bannon bye bye! Wasn't the right person for that job anyway. When does Trump fire himself?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 19, 2017, 10:38:17 AM
I can hardly agree with anything Steve Bannon says, but when he says "The Trump presidency is over!" I wish he's right, just hoping the Americans don't get from the frying pan into the fire.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on August 21, 2017, 12:17:48 PM
Anytime and anything that goes wrong or not in favor of the liberals is automatically blamed on Trump.  Doesn't matter what it is and it always ends with the same old line..."Fire Trump.  His presidency is over. etc."  When is the left ever going to come to grips with the reality that the election is over and their corrupt Hillary didn't get elected.  Still pissing and moaning, which isn't going to change anything.  It's a shame the Dems via Obama didn't do anything except sink America lower than its ever been, and the left continues to flame the current president because they're not satisfied with him and his efforts trying to clean up the mess the Democrats and Obama left behind. We can start with North Korea for example or how about Obama care.  The fact is, the left is just looking for any little thing or opportunity to sling mud at Trump, valid or invalid.  He's not getting ousted from the White House.  Get over it.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 21, 2017, 03:12:00 PM
I can hardly agree with anything Steve Bannon says, but when he says "The Trump presidency is over!" I wish he's right, just hoping the Americans don't get from the frying pan into the fire.

Anytime and anything that goes wrong or not in favor of the liberals is automatically blamed on Trump.  Doesn't matter what it is and it always ends with the same old line..."Fire Trump.  His presidency is over. etc."  When is the left ever going to come to grips with the reality that the election is over

I am sure, Steve Bannon feels proud being called "left"  :evilgrin

Are you viewing American politics over a mirror with sides occasionally reversed, BF? :-[

Now why do you all of a sudden get only 33.2 Baht for your Dollars? Think! :)

The guy (the powers) who made the president now turned against their president! Businesses all over the world are delighted about instable situations. North Korea is just a silly game compared to that!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 01, 2017, 10:02:34 PM
It's Mueller Time! Trump Administration Season Ending (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7Uy0Uznw4E#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on November 08, 2017, 11:34:55 AM
Hallelujah, BigD doesn't need to restrain his "thoughts" to 140 characters anymore; he can mess up with twittering 280 at a time now! :-[
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on January 21, 2018, 12:57:16 PM
That guy definitely is a ladies' man! Yesterday hundreds of thousands flocked to downtown Chicago for Women’s March, expressing their desire: "F*ck Trump!"

https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/womens-march-chicago-protest-grant-park-rally-donald-trump/ (https://chicago.suntimes.com/chicago-politics/womens-march-chicago-protest-grant-park-rally-donald-trump/)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on February 16, 2018, 12:21:20 PM
Stormy Daniels: I Can Now Tell my Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSKkl4E0ZDo#)

Porn star says she feels free to discuss Trump encounter

bangkokpost.com (https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1412694/porn-star-says-she-feels-free-to-discuss-trump-encounter)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on February 16, 2018, 08:39:50 PM
I found this amusing.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: jivvy on February 16, 2018, 10:17:54 PM
Tired of his low approval ratings, President Trump called up the director of the Central Intelligence Agency and said, “I want to see your very best agent in White House first thing in the morning.”

Several minutes later, a call went out to the Middle East, and the most talented American agent was headed back to Washington.

The next morning, the agent was escorted into the Oval Office. Mr. Trump said, “I hear you’re the best in the business. I can’t trust what my staff tells me.

So I want you to visit every state in the union, every major city. I want you to stay out on the road until you have an idea of what the vast majority of Americans would like to see happen in the Oval Office. Do I make myself clear?”

The CIA agent responded approvingly. He left the Oval Office and wasn’t heard from for nearly four months. Finally, he showed up early on a Sunday morning, and the President saw him immediately.

The President said, “Did you find out what an overwhelming majority of Americans want done here in this office?”

“Yes, sir.”

“Well, then, express the will of the people,” Trump ordered.

So the agent stood up, pulled out his revolver, and shot the President.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on February 17, 2018, 11:36:33 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/13-russian-nationals-indicted-for-interfering-in-us-elections.html)

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/indictment-reveals-russians-also-organized-anti-trump-rallies-after-election.html (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/02/16/indictment-reveals-russians-also-organized-anti-trump-rallies-after-election.html)

No evidence of any collusion between these Russians – or any other Russian officials – and the Trump campaign in the 2016 presidential race.

"the DOJ made clear that the indictment does not allege that any of the interference changed the outcome of the presidential race.

There is no allegation in this indictment that any American was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that the charged conduct altered the outcome of the 2016 election,” Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who oversees the special counsel probe, said at a Friday press conference."

Libs and the left must be having a serious meltdown about now.
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: jivvy on February 17, 2018, 01:31:51 PM
Quote
Libs and the left must be having a serious meltdown about now.

Along with the rest of the free world.... ()
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on March 08, 2018, 09:43:34 AM
Stormy weather in the US. And all the winds start with D: "Daniels", "David Dennison", or was it just Donald? - And an undeclared (and not reimbursed) $130,000 "donation" in form of a Hush Agreement as part of a president's campaign. That might be even more interesting than Russian assistance in that campaign. Was that even "buying an election" or is that Hush Agreement void, enabling the stormy girl to make public use of that 'Confidential Information'? Either way, that "storm" could take it's toll!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on March 18, 2018, 10:07:26 AM
Quote
    When the full extent of your venality, moral turpitude, and political corruption becomes known, you will take your rightful place as a disgraced demagogue in the dustbin of history. You may scapegoat Andy McCabe, but you will not destroy America...America will triumph over you. https://t.co/uKppoDbduj
    — John O. Brennan (@JohnBrennan) March 17, 2018

Stylish! ;D
Title: Re: Trump-if civilians had been armed it would have been a whole different story
Post by: thaiga on May 06, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
Anger in France, Britain over Trump's gun law speech news.cgtn.com (https://news.cgtn.com/news/3d3d774e7a6b6a4d77457a6333566d54/share_p.html)

Trump's Comments On Paris Shooting Spark Condemnation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7s2vMpDsws#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - blocking of critics on Twitter violates Constitution
Post by: thaiga on May 24, 2018, 02:20:34 PM
blocking of critics on Twitter violates Constitution

Donald Trump's blocking of critics on Twitter violates Constitution: US judge (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_V44lZoKO0#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - Shock as Trump backs Putin over US election meddling
Post by: thaiga on July 17, 2018, 03:06:37 PM
Shock as Trump backs Putin over US election meddling

President says past US policy 'foolish' but his summit remarks labelled 'treasonous'

 US President Donald Trump, facing a barrage of criticism for his comments during a news conference in Helsinki with Russian President Vladimir Putin, insisted in a post on Twitter yesterday that he has "GREAT confidence in MY intelligence people."

US lawmakers roundly condemned Mr Trump for his comments at the conference with Mr Putin - which followed a meeting between the two behind closed doors for two-plus hours - where he cast doubt on his own intelligence agencies' findings that Russia meddled with the 2016 US presidential election.

Standing side-by-side with Mr Putin, Mr Trump yesterday refused to blame the Russian leader for meddling in the US 2016 election, casting doubt on the findings of his own intelligence agencies and sparking a storm of criticism at home. independent.ie (https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/president-trump/shock-as-trump-backs-putin-over-us-election-meddling-37126398.html)

President Trump Holds a Joint Press Conference with the President of the Russian Federation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujCa6QZCirU#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on July 17, 2018, 06:36:17 PM
How could he "blame" him for meddling in the US 2016 election, if he had to thank him for managing to get elected against all odds? ::)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on July 18, 2018, 07:59:36 AM
Now he just "misspoke", forgot to say "not".  ::)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on July 18, 2018, 01:47:12 PM
Word for Word

Word for Word: President Trump Says He Misspoke on Russia's Election Meddling (C-SPAN) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=za3vVkRdfII#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on July 18, 2018, 05:45:39 PM
A double negative? What a ridiculous argumentation! If one uses a double negative, he stresses both negatives to make his viewpoint of excluding any other meaning clear, never says "wouldn't", but stresses both words "would" and "not", also with higher emphasis on "not". Nobody who knows language and wants to confer an extremely strong message using a double negative forgets half of the expression or swallows the emphasis. Just nobody!!!
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on July 19, 2018, 04:24:29 PM
Is Russia targeting US? Trump says no, but Huckabee says he really meant ‘no questions’, in another whiplash reversal

Following a meeting with his Cabinet, Trump was asked by a reporter: “Is Russia still targeting the US, Mr President?” Trump appeared to respond: “Thank you. No.”

In a news briefing later on Wednesday, White House spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders said that “The president … was saying ‘No’ to answering questions … The president and his administration are working very hard to make sure that Russia is unable to meddle in our elections as they have done in the past.”

However Trump continued to speak on the subject well after his “no”, as reporters continued to ask questions.

scmp.com (https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/2155901/trump-says-russia-no-longer-targeting-us)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on July 19, 2018, 09:22:05 PM
wasn't Google fined for antitrust practices.It doesn't matter if they were American,European,Chinese or Albanian if you brake the law

Trump says EU taking advantage of US

Donald Trump on Thursday said the European Union was taking advantage of the United States, pointing to the record $5-billion fine that European antitrust regulators slapped on Google on Wednesday.

"I told you so! The European Union just slapped a Five Billion Dollar fine on one of our great companies, Google. They truly have taken advantage of the U.S., but not for long!" Trump tweeted.

 — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) July 19, 2018
https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1506350/trump-says-eu-taking-advantage-of-us (https://www.bangkokpost.com/news/world/1506350/trump-says-eu-taking-advantage-of-us)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on July 20, 2018, 08:05:10 AM
Does he think: "It just couldn't have been, that Google broke the law by exerting illegitimate power over mobile phone producers to preinstall his search engine and Google Play Store on their Android phones, not giving chance to other and better systems to be used"?  ::)

I would like to travel and visit some people I still know in the U.S. and have a look at some places I stayed at in the 1970s and 80s, but I certainly won't go there as long as that guy is their president. He's disgusting! :spin
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on July 20, 2018, 12:20:31 PM

"I told you so! The European Union just slapped a Five Billion Dollar fine on one of our great companies, Google. They truly have taken advantage of the U.S., but not for long!"


The Cabinet on Tuesday gave a green light to collect 7-per-cent value added tax from foreign vendors and e-commerce platforms, Government Spokesman Maj-General Sansern Kaewkamnerd said.

The VAT will be applied to both those who sell goods and services on Internet platforms and those who operate such platforms, such as Google, Amazon and Alibaba.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/business/30350256 (http://www.nationmultimedia.com/detail/business/30350256)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - Another Day, Another Bombshell
Post by: thaiga on July 20, 2018, 02:08:10 PM
why don't you come round to ours

Another Day, Another Bombshell: Trump Invites Putin To Washington For Round II (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKla2NeqAgI#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on July 21, 2018, 01:45:18 PM
Dollar sees biggest one-day drop in 3 weeks after Trump comments

It was the second time in less than 24 hours that the president’s comments rattled the buck

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dollar-digests-trump-comments-as-traders-watch-yuan-action-2018-07-20 (https://www.marketwatch.com/story/dollar-digests-trump-comments-as-traders-watch-yuan-action-2018-07-20)



Title: Re: Trump - ‘If you start it, we will END IT’
Post by: thaiga on July 27, 2018, 02:54:20 PM
Be careful these people are willing to die, not forgetting the vast amount of religous supporters already in the U.S.

Iran army chief in WAR threat to Trump: ‘If you start it, we will END IT’ - DAILY NEWS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApGx3pUAwac#)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: nan on August 02, 2018, 12:04:43 PM
I don't want to be president

nearly 30 yrs ago

Donald Trump: "I don't want to be president" - entire 1987 CNN interview (Larry King Live) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8wJc7vHcTs#)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 02, 2018, 01:10:25 PM
He did not want to be president? Now let's find the guilty wo forced him to! Baby Farts? ;D
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on August 03, 2018, 06:45:15 AM
He did not want to be president? Now let's find the guilty wo forced him to! Baby Farts? ;D

The guilty?  That's easy....the liberals and the democrats. Think about it. ;D
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 03, 2018, 09:14:58 AM
The guilty?  That's easy....the liberals and the democrats. Think about it. ;D

Now, what other answer could I have expected? :-[

"Putin's friends" maybe?
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - "totally legal" and "done all the time in politics."
Post by: thaiga on August 06, 2018, 04:00:00 PM
Donald Trump says it was 'totally legal' for his son to seek information on Hillary Clinton from Russians in 2016

 US President Donald Trump acknowledged on Sunday that his son met with Russians in 2016 at Trump Tower to get information on his election opponent Hillary Clinton, saying it was "totally legal" and "done all the time in politics."

The Republican president had previously said the meeting was about the adoption of Russian children by Americans. Mr Trump's morning Twitter post was his most direct statement on the purpose of the meeting, though his son and others have said it was to gather damaging information on the Democratic candidate.

In a post on Twitter, Mr Trump also denied reports in the Washington Post and CNN that he was concerned his eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., could be in legal trouble because of the meeting with the Russians, including a lawyer with Kremlin ties.

He repeated that he had not known about the meeting in advance.

"Fake News reporting, a complete fabrication, that I am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son, Donald, had in Trump Tower. This was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics - and it went nowhere. I did not know about it!" President Trump said.

Political campaigns routinely pursue opposition research on their opponents, but not with foreign representatives from a country viewed as an adversary. Russian officials were under US sanctions at the time.

Special Counsel Robert Mueller is examining whether Trump campaign members coordinated with Russia to sway the White House race in his favor. Russian President Vladimir Putin has denied his government interfered.

One part of the inquiry has focused on a June 9, 2016, meeting at Trump Tower in New York between Donald Jr., other campaign aides and a group of Russians.

Email released by Donald Jr. himself showed he had been keen on the meeting because his father's campaign was being offered potentially damaging information on Clinton.

Donald Jr. said later he realized the meeting was primarily aimed at lobbying against the 2012 Magnitsky sanctions law, which led to Moscow denying Americans the right to adopt Russian orphans.

President Trump has repeatedly denied that his campaign worked with Moscow, saying "No Collusion!" Last week, however, he adopted his lawyers' tactics and insisted "collusion is not a crime."

While collusion is not a technical legal charge, Nr Mueller could bring conspiracy charges if he finds that any campaign member worked with Russia to break U.S. law. Working with a foreign national with the intent of influencing a US election could violate multiple laws, according to legal experts.

CNN reported last month that Michael Cohen, the president's longtime personal lawyer, was willing to tell Mr Mueller that Donald Trump did know about the Trump Tower meeting in advance.

Mr Trump's lawyers and the White House have given conflicting accounts about whether Mr Trump was involved in crafting Donald Jr.'s response to a New York Times article last summer revealing the Trump Tower meeting with the adoptions rationale. President Trump's lawyers acknowledged in a letter to Mr Mueller's team in January 2018 that Mr Trump dictated the response, according to the Times.

Donald Trump has stepped up his public attacks on the Mueller probe since the first trial to arise from it began last week in Alexandria, Virginia, involving former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort.

The federal tax and bank fraud charges Manafort faces are not related to the Trump campaign but Manafort's close relations with Russians and a Kremlin-backed Ukrainian politician are under scrutiny in the trial.

Mr Trump's attacks on the special counsel's investigation have been rebuffed by Republican leaders in Congress who have expressed support for Mueller.

"The president should be straightforward with the American people about the threat to our election process that Russia, Putin in particular, is engaged in is ongoing," Representative Ed Royce, chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said on CNN's "State of the Union" on Sunday.

One of the president's personal lawyers said on Sunday that if Mr Trump is subpoenaed by the special counsel, his lawyers will attempt to quash it in court. Any legal battle over whether the president can be compelled to testify could go all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court, the lawyer, Jay Sekulow, said on ABC's "This Week."

US intelligence agencies concluded last year that Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election with a campaign of hacking into Democratic Party computer networks and spreading disinformation on social media. American intelligence officials say Russia is targeting the November congressional elections, which will determine whether or not Republicans keep control of both chambers of the US Congress.

independent.ie (https://www.independent.ie/world-news/north-america/president-trump/donald-trump-says-it-was-totally-legal-for-his-son-to-seek-information-on-hillary-clinton-from-russians-in-2016-37187029.html)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: Baby Farts on August 07, 2018, 01:56:49 PM
Speaking of fake news, CNN, and especially Jim Acosta.   Classic   ;D

CNN Reporter Whines About Nobody Liking Him (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ul0PFCOG_w#)

Even better. This is hilarious. Love how CNN highlights the middle fingers.

CNN Didn't Think It Was Funny 😆 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8e4Hh4zUyA#)

Title: Re: Trump wins presidency
Post by: thaiga on August 07, 2018, 02:12:31 PM
Ha! Ha! love the old fashioned look on his face  - when reporters act like protesters ;)
Title: Re: Trump wins presidency - Trump urged Spain 'build the wall' across the Sahara
Post by: Newsy on September 21, 2018, 12:01:03 PM
theguardian.com (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/sep/19/donald-trump-urged-spain-to-build-the-wall-across-the-sahara)

Donald Trump urged Spain to 'build the wall' – across the Sahara

Spanish foreign minister says US president advised tactic to stem migration across the Med

Donald Trump suggested the Spanish government tackled the Mediterranean migration crisis by emulating one of his most famous policies and building a wall across the Sahara desert, the country’s foreign minister has revealed.

According to Josep Borrell, the US president brushed off the scepticism of Spanish diplomats – who pointed out that the Sahara stretched for 3,000 miles – saying: “The Sahara border can’t be bigger than our border with Mexico.”

Trump wooed voters in the 2016 election with his promise to build a “big, beautiful wall” across the US/Mexico border, which is roughly 2,000 miles long.

A similar plan in the Sahara, however, would be complicated by the fact that Spain holds only two small enclaves in north Africa – Ceuta and Melilla – and such a wall would have to be built on foreign territory.

Borrell’s comments were made at a lunch event in Madrid this week and widely reported in the Spanish media. “We can confirm that’s what the minister said, but we won’t be making any further comment on the minister’s remarks,” said a spokesman for the foreign ministry.

Trump is thought to have made his frontier recommendation when Borrell accompanied King Felipe and Queen Letizia to the White House in June.

Spain has found itself on the frontlines of the migration crisis, with more than 33,600 migrants and refugees arriving by sea so far this year, and 1,723 dying in the attempt.

The increase in arrivals, amounting to three times the total for the same period last year, has meant Spain overtaking Italy and Greece as the main destination for migrants crossing the Mediterranean.

Spain’s socialist prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, was widely praised for announcing that Madrid would take in the 630 refugees aboard the rescue ship Aquarius. The refugees had been turned away by Italy and by Malta.

But the high number of arrivals on Spain’s southern coast has strained reception facilities and infrastructure. The issue has also been used as a political weapon by rightwing parties who accuse Sánchez’s government of double standards and of being too soft on immigration.

Borrell, a former president of the European parliament, has previously accused Europe of “ostrich politics” over migration and called for perspective on the matter. “We’re talking about 20,000 migrants so far this year for a country of more than 40 million inhabitants,” he said in July. “That’s not mass migration.”

He also said Spain’s problems were dwarfed by those of some Middle Eastern countries hosting refugees from the war in Syria, adding: “We’re trivialising the word ‘mass’.”

Speaking at the event in Madrid this week, Borrell said the 1990s political maxim “it’s the economy, stupid”, had given way to “it’s about identity, stupid”.

“We’ve sorted the economic problem, but not the migration problem because it’s an emotional problem and not one you fix with money,” .”