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Title: Shooting in Texas: 3 dead
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 14, 2012, 02:13:20 PM
Eviction notice sparked fatal shootout in College Station

Constable, gunman, bystander are dead; Houston mom hospitalized

COLLEGE STATION — The act of serving an eviction notice during the sleepy days before fall classes begin in Aggieland turned into a half-hour shootout on Monday that left three people dead, including a constable, and a Houston woman the most seriously injured among the wounded.

Brazos County Precinct 1 Constable Brian Bachmann arrived at the small, one-story home south of the Texas A&M University campus shortly after noon.

He never got to the door.

Thomas Alton Caffall III, the 35-year-old tenant, met the constable outside. Both were armed.

That confrontation sparked a gunfire exchange that eventually would kill or injure seven people.

Neighbor Rigo Cisneros heard the shots, called 911 and reported that an officer was down. Authorities from multiple agencies descended on the neighborhood. Cisneros began shooting video that showed officers storming toward the house with guns drawn, repeatedly yelling "do not move" to Caffall. Police were met with gunshots and fired their weapons.

Within minutes, the constable and the gunman were both lying in the yard with bullet wounds.

Cisneros, a former Army medic, said he started CPR immediately on Bachmann, who had been shot in the chest. When paramedics arrived to attend to the lawman, Cisneros ran over to work on the shooter.

That's when the gunman asked him to apologize to the officer on his behalf.

"I was covered in his blood," Cisneros said. "He just kept repeating things over and over and continued shallow breathing."

By 12:40, the shooting had stopped.

Bachmann was dead. Caffall was pronounced dead at a local hospital.

The hail of bullets also killed bystander Christopher Northcliffe, 51, of College Station.

College Station Police Department officer Justin Oehlke was shot in the calf. Two of his colleagues, officers Brad Smith and Phil Dorsett, were treated and released.

Houston mother Barbara Holdsworth was injured when bullets hit her vehicle. She underwent surgery but remained in serious condition late Monday. Holdsworth was in College Station helping her daughter, an A&M student, move.

'A stupid thing'


An eviction document known as a forcible entry detainer was filed against Caffall Thursday, according to Brazos County court records.

"It was a stupid thing to happen. An eviction notice. What possibly could you be thinking? It's so pointless," Cisneros said, adding that he didn't know his neighbor, but that multiple renters had occupied the property over the past five years.

The 685-square-foot house at 211 Fidelity, south of Kyle Field, is owned by A&M structural engineering professor Harry Jones and his wife, Judy.

"I don't have anything to say at the moment," Jones said Monday.

Bachmann, 41, had been a law enforcement officer for roughly two decades and took office as constable in January 2011.

Brazos County Sheriff Chris Kirk held back tears when speaking about his friend, who had discussed succeeding him as sheriff.

"He was proud of what he was doing," Kirk said, adding that the Hempstead native leaves a wife, Donna, and children Caitlyn, 9, and Colby, 14. "Brian went out to do his job and he was gunned down for doing it."

The shooter was known as "Tres" to relatives and friends. According to Caffall's Facebook page, he moved from Temple to College Station early last year.

"Our hearts go out to the families in involved," Caffall's sister, Courtney Clark, said in a brief telephone conversation Monday. "We are just saddened by this."

Mental 'difficulties'


In an interview with The Huffington Post, Caffall's mother, Linda Weaver, said her son had been having "difficulties" with his mental health in recent years.

"The minute I saw the TV I knew it was him," she told the online news organization. "I've been that worried about him."

Weaver added that she was horrified by the loss of life. "If you're going to commit suicide, why take all these other people with you?" she said.

Caffall did not have an extensive criminal history.

According to court records in Texas, he was arrested in 2006 for driving with an invalid license and pleaded no contest to a lesser charge.

His Facebook posts reveal a man fascinated by firearms - one of which he called "my new toy" last year - who enjoyed shooting on the range.

Laury Bosley Kasowski of Bremond, a friend of Clark's, has known Caffall for 20 years and last saw him a year ago at his niece's birthday party.

"The Tres I knew was always there at family events. He was a good guy and a good brother," Kasowski said. "I was extremely shocked to find out it was him."

Lindsay Motl Gasek, 35, of College Station met Caffall in elementary school. Both graduated in Bryan High School's class of 1995.

"He was very intelligent and had a good sense of humor," she said. "He seemed like a really nice guy. Nothing stood out good or bad. Just a regular guy. ... That's why this is so shocking. You just wonder what happened along the way."

Students alerted

The deadly incident rocked College Station, surrounding areas and the extended Aggie network.

The university alerted students about the shooting around 12:30 p.m. with a "Code Maroon" that advised those in the area to remain inside their residences.

Summer commencement was Saturday, so many students are not in town this week. Fall classes begin Aug. 27.

chron.com

What's wrong in the Land of the Free? So much shooting lately!
Title: Re: Shooting in Texas: 3 dead video
Post by: thaiga on August 14, 2012, 04:08:13 PM
60 mass shootings in the last 20 months in us

      VIDEO (http://news.sky.com/story/972146/texas-college-shoot-out-leaves-three-dead)
Title: Re: Shooting in Texas: 3 dead
Post by: sicho on August 14, 2012, 05:02:15 PM
It doesn't take a genius to understand that banning or restricting guns wouldn't prevent all gun murders but it takes a mentally deficient to argue that it would make no difference at all.

In a country where a few claim the personal right to carry guns, the right of others to be able to walk about free from the possibility of a nut case popping of a clip or two is being ignored.
Title: Bullets over Broadway
Post by: Johnnie F. on August 14, 2012, 06:48:01 PM
And in New York a team of twenty cops needs to fire 12 bullets on crowded Times Square to stop a knife-wielding pothead:

Bullets over Broadway

Standoff’s deadly end

Cops shot a knife-wielding maniac dead on a packed Midtown street yesterday after several officers drew their weapons and chased him at gunpoint through Times Square.

“Shoot me! Shoot me!” the armed madman shouted at a crowd of more than 20 cops, who had followed him for several blocks and blasted him with pepper spray before cornering him on Seventh Avenue near West 38th Street, according to witness Robert James.

The furious 51-year-old finally lunged at the officers with his 11-inch butcher knife (inset), leading two cops to blast him in the torso, groin and arms at about 3 p.m., police said.

Video of the dramatic incident shows approximately 10 shots were fired. The man died a short time later at Bellevue Hospital.

The chaos at the Crossroads of the World sent hordes of tourists and pedestrians fleeing in panic — as others looked on in stunned shock.

Many, however, followed the suspect and pursuing cops down Seventh Avenue in a surreal procession with their cellphone cameras in hand.

One witness said the man was “erratic” and “looked like he was on something.”

“He was waving it and swinging it at cops,” said Asa Lowe, 39. “It was a righteous kill. They shot in self-defense. They were in fear of their lives.”

Another witness said the man earlier tried to expose himself to two people as he exited the subway.

The harrowing scene began when an officer on foot patrol first spotted the dreadlocked man in a white T-shirt on West 44th Street and saw him openly smoking a marijuana joint, sources said.

When she and another cop approached, he put the pot in his pocket, whipped out his knife and put a blue bandana on his head, cops said.

The officers radioed for backup, and other cops soon joined the pursuit with their guns drawn.

“I saw the guy running with a knife. It was like a meat cutter,” said Mike Johnoino, 19. “There were 20 or 30 cops chasing him.”

Witness Sergio Martinez, 30, said, “I heard the police say, ‘Stop! Drop your weapon!’ ”

Officers finally cornered him near a bank a few blocks south of Times Square, where they continued to pepper-spray him — but he kept swinging his knife.

Two cops eventually fired on the man.

The man, whose last known address was in Hempstead, LI, had arrests for aggravated harassment and pot possession, the sources said.

New York Post


Times Square NYPD Shooting of Knife Wielding Man Raises More Questions

The NYPD close range shooting of 51 Darrius Kennedy has many asking questions about the use of deadly force. Police officials and the mayor say the officers were justified under NYPD regulations, but the questions persist: could police have used other means to disarm a man surrounded by officers, and bystanders, other than shooting to kill at close range?

Two officers fired a dozen shots--7 of the bullets struck Kennedy according to the NYPD. That means five others missed and went elsewhere.

And while the videos captured by bystanders' cellphones show police pushing him up against an office building, many, including his family, are saying there had to be another way to stop this man without resorting to gunfire in one of the city's crowded Times Square on a Saturday afternoon.

We learned after the shooting that Kennedy, brandishing an 11" butcher knife, had prior run-in's with police: he brandished a screwdriver at police and drivers on the Upper West Side and was sentenced to 40 days in jail; he's had multiple arrest for marijuana and was sent to Bellevue once for evaluation by police. Saturday's incident started after a uniformed officer spotted Kennedy smoking marijuana in Times Square and asked him to stop; he refused.

Mayor Bloomberg was questioned by reporters today about the NYPD's use of deadly force. "The professionals seem to say they didn't have much choice. They didn't use tasers, they used pepper spray. They tried to disarm the guy; he lunged at them with a knife. The cops shot to protect their lives and to make sure he didn't run off and kill other people."

Kennedy's family was also questioning the use of deadly force. Kennedy's aunt, Mary Kennedy said at her Hemsptead home, where Darrius lived until 1978, "They shot to kill him, that's what they did. He had the wrong color skin, and I am fed up with all of it."

As Bloomberg was pressed by reporters with repeated inquiries about Taser usage, or other means of non-lethal force, he took a defensive posture. "I can't tell you anything else. You have a non shooting question? You don't get the message."

The NYPD says officers first pepper sprayed Kennedy six times, but he kept lunging at cops with the knife. So they shot him at close range, a justified use of deadly force according to Police Commissioner Ray Kelly.

But the Kennedy family, and social media, decry the deadly use of bullets as the only means to disarm Kennedy. Twitter posts, too, quickly questioned police tactics. One asking--"Good time for a negotiator?" Another querried, "What happened to all those nonlethal weapons?" And yet another twitter poster, "No cop couldn't just shoot 'em in the knees? NYPD training is terrible..."

While the mayor snapped at reporters to get their answers about non-lethal forms of intervention from the NYPD, this reporters line of questioning went unanswered.

Police sources say the Emergency Services Unit couldn't make it to the stand-off quickly enough as it steadily marched south by a backwards walking Kennedy. The team has multiple intervention tactics: using a "sheppard's hook", that is about 10 feet long to knock the knife out of Kennedy's hand, or ballistics shields which could have knocked the knife down. Sergeants are meant to carry tasers, which might have incapacitated Kennedy, without killing him. But the NYPD says no tasers were present at the scene.

wpix.com
Title: Re: Bullets over Broadway
Post by: sicho on August 14, 2012, 10:54:43 PM
It's the Wild West over there. If it moves and you don't like it, kill it.
Title: Re: Bullets over Broadway
Post by: Baby Farts on August 15, 2012, 04:16:44 AM
Why didn't the police use their stun guns?  I know, it's more fun to shoot someone in the groin.  Who the F aims for the groin? 
Title: Cops shooting on Times Square again
Post by: Johnnie F. on September 16, 2013, 08:19:39 AM
Why didn't the police use their stun guns?  I know, it's more fun to shoot someone in the groin.  Who the F aims for the groin?

Ask who aims for innocent bystanders:

NYPD officers shoot two innocent bystanders near Times Square

 NEW YORK NYPD officers fired three shots on a crowded Manhattan street near Times Square on Saturday night, missing the man they believed had a weapon but striking two bystanders, police said.

The incident happened just before 10 p.m. at 42nd Street and Eighth Avenue near the Port Authority Bus Terminal. A large investigation had the normally busy area around the Port Authority shutdown, WCBS New York reports.

Police said officers saw a man on foot weaving erratically through traffic and sometimes blocking vehicles. After approaching him, police said, the man reached into his pocket as if grabbing a weapon, and two officers fired a total of three shots. They missed him but struck a 54-year-old woman in the right knee and a grazed a 35-year-old woman in the buttocks, police said.

The women were taken to hospitals, where they both were listed in stable condition, according to police. Neither had injuries considered life threatening, police said.

The man was taken into custody after a police sergeant subdued him with a Taser. No weapons were found on him.

Police said the 35-year-old suspect was taken to Bellevue Hospital, where he was in stable condition. They described him as "emotionally disturbed."

Police did not release the names of the women or the man in custody.

The incident calls to mind a 2012 case where nine bystanders were injured during a police shooting by police bullets, ricochets and fragments when two officers fired at a man suspected of gunning down a former co-worker outside the Empire State Building.

In that incident, officers fired a total of 16 shots outside one of the world's most popular tourist attractions as a large crowd watched. While an investigation later determined the suspect, who was killed in the incident, had 10 bullet holes in him, many nearby were still wounded. The NYPD and Mayor Michael Bloomberg fiercely defended the officers' actions at the time.

CBS news
Title: Re: Cops shooting on Times Square again
Post by: sicho on September 16, 2013, 09:59:14 AM
Innocent people shot but the officers only 'believed' that the suspect had a gun - and he did not.

The two incidents referred to sit along side other well publicised shootings of innocent people or their property by regular cops. I'm thinking of the driver who gave up in a police chase only to have 100 rounds fired into his car and the Boston bombings case where rounds entered homes in the street where the suspects were cornered.

One has to wonder whether regular street cops are competent to carry guns.