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Offline Johnnie F.

Connecticut school shooting: massacre at Sandy Hook leaves 20 children dead

A teacher’s son killed his mother and 20 young children, many of them in her class, yesterday, in America’s worst mass school shooting.

 A total of 26 victims died when the gunman, named as Adam Lanza, 20, began firing at Sandy Hook Elementary School in the sleepy New England town of Newtown, Connecticut, 60 miles from New York. Another body was found at his family home.

He used weapons including two handguns, a Glock and a Sig Sauer, and a .233 Bushmaster rifle was found in the back of a car at the school.

Sandy Hook teaches nearly 700 children from kindergarten through to the fourth grade, roughly ages five to 10, and many of the victims were reported to be the youngest pupils. Eighteen of them died at the school and two in hospital.

The gunman walked into his mother Nancy Lanza’s classroom at around 9.30am and opened fire. It was unclear whether she died in the classroom, or earlier at her nearby home.

Police sources said a “mind numbing” number of spent cartridges littered the floor of the school.

 As he attacked, some children fled through nearby woodland and back yards. Other survivors, some crying, were led to safety in a line with their hands on the shoulders of the child in front. Two young girls described seeing the gunman go into their classroom and shoot their teacher.

President Barack Obama went on television and appeared to weep as he said: “Our hearts are broken today.”

Referring to the dead children, he said: “They had their entire lives ahead of them. There is not a parent in America who does not feel the same overwhelming grief that I do.”

He promised “meaningful action” regardless of the politics of gun control in America. He also ordered flags at the White House to be flown at half mast.

 The gunman, wearing black fatigues and a military-style vest, was found dead in a classroom, but it was not clear whether he took his own life or was shot by police.

A second man wearing camouflage trousers was seen being handcuffed. One witness described him shouting: “I didn’t do it.”

The suspect’s brother Ryan Lanza, 24, was being questioned by police, the Associated Press reported. He told police that Adam Lanza, 24, had a “personality disorder” and was autistic, or has Asperger’s syndrome, ABC News said. Neighbors described the gunman as “odd.”

A mother who was in a meeting with the principal and half a dozen other people at about 9.30am described having heard a “pop pop pop” in the hallway.

The witness described cowering under a table and said that 100 rounds or more might have been fired. Two bodies were seen in the hallway in a pool of blood and children had to run past.

 One nine-year-old boy said: “I was in the gym. We heard lots of bangs and we thought it was the custodian knocking stuff down. Then we heard screaming. Then police came in and said, 'Is he in here?’ Then they ran out and we went to the closet in the gym and hid. Then we ran to the fire house and saw a guy on the floor in handcuffs. We were just happy to be alive.”

Brenda Lebinski, another parent, said that her eight-year-old daughter had been among children saved by a teacher who locked them in a closet.

“My daughter’s teacher is a hero,” she said. “Everyone was in hysterics – parents, students. There were kids coming out of the school bloodied. I don’t know if they were shot, but they were bloodied.”

It was the latest in a series of mass shootings over the last several years. In 2007 Seung-Hui Cho shot and killed 32 people and wounded 17 others at Virginia Tech university. In July this year James Holmes killed 12 and injured 58 at a cinema in Aurora, Colorado.

Security expert Lou Palumbo said “When you look at a death toll, with this number of children, we’ve surpassed any of these prior incidents.”

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Yet another gunman on the rampage,,,,,,,,,,,,Yet still there will be 'bone headed' supporters for the right to carry arms!!...............So Sad
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What a terrible tragedy.

Obama made a moving and heartfelt speech in which he said that something must be done, 'irrespective of politics'. Let's hope so. These massacres take place too often in the US and perhaps this Dunblane style example will finally persuade people that change is necessary. It's not just the gun laws that are at fault, of course. Violence, even in children's cartoons and the images of the country's military campaigns on TV, glorified in propaganda movies, must also, surely, play a part in conditioning children to accept extreme violence as part of their lives.
 

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Security expert Lou Palumbo said “When you look at a death toll, with this number of children, we’ve surpassed any of these prior incidents.”

I'm shocked to hear a security expert refer to that merely as "incident" and viewing the death toll alone as the worst factor! Obviously he has no idea about how the  survivors will have to go through their lives now: traumatized at their age already, and beyond cure! Not only did they witness that massacre, having to live with the memory of those moments of fear, worst of all their friends will be gone. Something nobody will be able to explain to them and make them understand why!
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This is truly a sad day for America and the families of those who lost their children tragically during this Christmas season.  I totally agree with President Obama's statement, "We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years."  As a parent of two young children, I can feel the grief these parents must be going through.  However, I can't even imagine the scale of that pain these poor parents and their families will have to endure for the rest of their lives..  The majority of these victims were young children.  Even though my children are not in America, there isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about their safety. 

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What a terrible tragedy.

Obama made a moving and heartfelt speech in which he said that something must be done, 'irrespective of politics'. Let's hope so. These massacres take place too often in the US and perhaps this Dunblane style example will finally persuade people that change is necessary. It's not just the gun laws that are at fault, of course. Violence, even in children's cartoons and the images of the country's military campaigns on TV, glorified in propaganda movies, must also, surely, play a part in conditioning children to accept extreme violence as part of their lives.

You bring up an interesting point Saf, which I wholeheartedly agree with.  Kids are exposed to graphic violence on a daily basis just as you've stated.  For example, take a look at the Cartoon Network and some of the cartoons they air on TV.  I was completely shocked at some of the material.  Many people don't understand that this type of violent media ultimately affects our children.  Children mimic and imitate what they see on TV and in video games.  A kid watches a movie or something of people with guns in a shoot out and in turn replicates this behavior when he plays with his friends.  We're not even over the shooting in the Oregon shopping mall and this tragic even unfolds.   It's not just tougher gun laws that are needed.
 

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In 1996, 16 children, all five years old, a teacher and the gunman were killed in a school massacre in Dunblane, Scotland. That tragedy led to the banning of handguns in the UK. I wonder whether the 'any gun for any person in any place' lobby in the US will now consider a more rational philosophy.
 

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I'm waiting to see how Bear and the NRA are going to respond to this.

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USA school shootings
« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2012, 08:23:11 AM »
Sure it can happen anywhere, but why is it happening so often in the USA?

Bartlesville High School student arrested in school-shooting plot

BARTLESVILLE — An 18-year-old Bartlesville High School student was arrested early Friday after police uncovered an alleged school-shooting massacre plot.

Sammie Eaglebear Chavez attempted to recruit students in the school cafeteria on Wednesday to help him carry out a massive school shooting and bombing plot, police allege in a court affidavit.

Prosecutors charged Chavez later Friday with planning, attempting or conspiring to perform an act of violence. District Judge Curtis DeLapp set Chavez’s bail at $1 million.

The charge says Chavez intended to cause serious bodily harm or death to other students.

“Sammie tried to recruit other students to assist him with carrying out a plan to lure students into the school auditorium where he planned to begin shooting them after chaining the doors shut,” Bartlesville Police Lt. Kevin Ickleberry wrote in the affidavit, which was filed in Washington County District Court.

“He also told them that if the students assisting him did not do what they were supposed to do, he would not hesitate to kill them and/or himself.”

Police were notified of the plot Thursday afternoon by school administrators who had been told of the alleged plan by another student, the affidavit states. Chavez had told the students he would place bombs by the auditorium doors and that when police arrived, he would detonate them.

As police conducted their investigation, officers learned that Chavez had told a teacher last week that he’d bought a Colt .45 gun and had spent the weekend shooting it, the affidavit says.

Chavez, who had been attempting to obtain a map or diagram of the high school facilities, had been using a school computer to search for information on a Marlin Model 99M — a .22-caliber rifle on a machine gun platform, the affidavit states.

Students had witnessed Chavez researching the Columbine High School massacre and reading online letters that were written in the aftermath of the April 1999 shooting, which killed 12 students and a teacher in Littleton, Colo, as well as the two shooters. A student also had witnessed Chavez looking at a website on how to build pipe bombs, the affidavit states.

Bartlesville Public Schools issued two alerts to parents on Friday, stating that administrators were informed of a rumor in which a current student “was planning to potentially harm students and staff at Bartlesville High School. School administrators took the information extremely seriously and informed the Bartlesville Police Department of the alleged plan.”

Chavez was absent from classes on Thursday as school officials and police were investigating the rumor. Superintendent Gary Quinn applauded the work by school administrators in assuring that students “were never in harm’s way.”

“I am proud of our administrative personnel who took what started out as an unsubstantiated rumor and, through their diligent work and exhaustive investigation, were able to determine there could be a future threat,” Quinn said.

“We appreciate the excellent relationship we have with our local law enforcement and their swift response to the information we provided them. We will always put the safety of the students of the Bartlesville Public School District first and foremost.”

Police arrested Chavez at his home in the 100 block of Southwest Adeline Avenue about 4:50 a.m. Friday on a warrant signed by Special Judge John Gerkin, Bartlesville Police Capt. Jay Hastings said.

Chavez, who was arraigned Friday afternoon in court, is in the Washington County Detention Center. As a condition of his bond, DeLapp ordered Chavez to stay away from Bartlesville schools and from weapons.

In a statement released Friday, Quinn said the school district is working in cooperation with the Bartlesville Police Department and “will make every effort to fully investigate and take every precaution to make the Bartlesville Public School District a safe environment for everyone.”

The administration is urging students and others to inform school administrators or police of any rumors of any potentially harmful act.

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Another in a LONG succession of these tragedies. Yet most of my USA friends still seem to be staunch NRA (National Rifle Association) and I've found that the 'Gun control' question is not well received to put it mildly !
From today's 'Daily Mail' website........ THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN SHOT IN THE USA IS 25 TIMES THE RATE IN THE NEXT 20 LARGEST INDUSTRIAL COUNTRIES....................COMBINED. Yes COMBINED.
Apparently, including suicides, 80 people a day lose life to GUNS !
It is staggering.
Michael Moore's 'Bowling for Columbine' recommended.
 

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Obama spoke strongly of the need for reform today. To most people in civilised country that's been obvious for some time. For him to say it in public in the US looks like bravery in the face of the enemy.
 

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School massacres not confined to the US
« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2012, 09:41:59 PM »
Chinese man attacks 22 children, 1 adult with knife outside primary school

Case is the latest in a spate of school attacks in China in recent years. Min Yingjun, 36, slashed an elderly woman before zoning in on the schoolchildren, police said. No deaths have been reported.

BEIJING — A knife-wielding man injured 22 children and one adult outside a primary school in central China as students were arriving for classes Friday, police said, the latest in a series of periodic rampage attacks at Chinese schools and kindergartens.

The attack in the Henan province village of Chengping happened shortly before 8 a.m., said a police officer from Guangshan county, where the village is located.

The attacker, 36-year-old villager Min Yingjun, is now in police custody, said the officer, who declined to give her name, as is customary among Chinese civil servants.

A Guangshan county hospital administrator said the man first attacked an elderly woman, then students, before being subdued by security guards who have been posted across China following a spate of school attacks in recent years. He said there were no deaths among the nine students admitted, although two badly injured children had been transferred to better-equipped hospitals outside the county.

A doctor at Guangshan's hospital of traditional Chinese medicine said that seven students had been admitted, but that none were seriously injured.

Neither the hospital administrator nor the doctor would give his name.
It was not clear how old the injured children were, but Chinese primary school pupils are generally 6-11 years old.

A notice posted on the Guangshan county government's website confirmed the number of injured and said an emergency response team had been set up to investigate the attacks.

No motive was given for the stabbings, which echo a string of similar assaults against schoolchildren in 2010 that killed nearly 20 and wounded more than 50. The most recent such attack took place in August, when a knife-wielding man broke into a middle school in the southern city of Nanchang and stabbed two students before fleeing.

Most of the attackers have been mentally disturbed men involved in personal disputes or unable to adjust to the rapid pace of social change in China, underscoring grave weaknesses in the antiquated Chinese medical system's ability to diagnose and treat psychiatric illness.

In one of the worst incidents, a man described as an unemployed, middle-aged doctor killed eight children with a knife in March 2010 to vent his anger over a thwarted romantic relationship.

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Offline Roger

Gun control - It's good that Obama has said he wants reform, but it will stop there. I just don't believe it is a possibility in the USA.
An obdurate if not fanatical gun lobby will resist any changes IMHO.
 

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Where was God video on the shootings.  Pretty interesting comments.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/2038135300001/huckabee-where-was-god/
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Looks like the gunman scare will be haunting Connecticut schools for a while still:

Ridgefield schools are no longer in lock down

"The police have given the all clear," wrote school Superintendent Deborah Low in an email that was sent to parents Monday at 11:15 a.m. "After an extensive police search, no dangerous activity was discovered."

All Ridgefield schools were in lock down for about two hours because of reports of a suspicious person near the Branchville train station. Police searched the train station and nearby Branchville Elementary School.

At 11 a.m., the investigation continued, but police said they were starting to clear the scene. A suspect was not in custody.

According to Ridgefield's school department, there is police presence at each of the town's schools today. Buses heading to Branchville Elementary School were diverted to East Ridge Elementary because of the lock down. Branchville elementary students were in the auditorium.

Branchville students are now taking buses from East Ridge back to Branchville.

Because of the activity in Ridgefield, schools in Redding were also in lock down Monday. That lock down order was lifted at 10 a.m. Redding is part of the Region 9 School District.

Ridgefield is about 20 miles from Newtown, where gunman killed 20 children and six staff members Friday at Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Connecticut schools are in a heightened state of alert on the first day of school since Friday's tragedy.

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Ohio governor signs law slightly weakening gun controls
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2012, 08:22:33 PM »
He couldn't have chosen a better time! Xmas ahead, the last school massacre not even a week past.

Ohio governor signs law slightly weakening gun controls

COLUMBUS, Ohio (Reuters) - Ohio's Republican Governor Johns Kasich on Thursday signed into law a measure that would slightly weaken the state's law on carrying concealed weapons, less than a week after a Connecticut school massacre focused national attention on gun control.

The bill would require Ohio residents demonstrate competency with the weapon only once rather than each time the concealed carry permit expires. It also would allow carrying concealed weapons in the parking garage of the State Capitol.

Kasich signed the bill along with 41 others and did not hold a signing ceremony. A press release summarizing his actions put the gun law near the bottom of list of those signed.

Kasich foreshadowed the action earlier in the week, telling reporters he would sign it: "Whatever we do, we don't want to erode the Second Amendment rights of law abiding citizens."

The Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gives American citizens the right to bear arms.

Democratic state Representative Tracy Maxwell Heard said Kasich should not have signed such a "divisive" bill less than a week after a national tragedy.

"Rather than rushing to sign legislation that weakens our gun laws, we must use this time for a full, inclusive reflection," Maxwell Heard said.

Last Friday, a gunman opened fire at an elementary school in Newtown, Connecticut, killing 20 children and six adults before shooting himself.

Michigan's Republican Governor Rick Snyder on Tuesday vetoed a proposed law that would have allowed some gun owners to bring concealed weapons into public places such as schools. Snyder said that the Connecticut shooting had influenced his decision.

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NRA's LaPierre calls for armed guards in schools after Newtown shooting

NRA chief defends organisation and accuses media of 'misinformation and dishonesty' in its portrayal of gun ownership

The National Rifle Association's executive vice-president has called for an armed security guard to be placed in every school in America Link to this video

Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice-president of the National Rifle Association, has called for an armed security guard to be placed in every school in America, in a defiant response to the mass shooting in Newtown, Connecticut last week.

With the NRA under more pressure over its hardline position over gun rights than at any time since the Columbine massacre of 1999, LaPierre made no concession to his critics and placed all blame for the Newtown shooting on others – including pro-gun control politicians, the media and health services that failed to apprehend mentally-ill killers. He said that the NRA would produce a plan to create "security shields" around every single school in the country, with armed guards at the entrance.

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said. He said that if Adam Lanza, the Newtown gunman, had been confronted by a qualified armed security guard as he began blasting his way into Sandy Hook elementary school last Friday, "isn't it at least possible that 26 little kids might have been spared that day".

In fact, 20 children died in Sandy Hook school, along with six staff members.

LaPierre delivered his comments at a press conference in Washington a week almost to the hour after the Newtown massacre took place. In the wake of the shooting, there have been mounting calls for moves to control guns including a ban on military-style assault weapons, a cap on high-capacity magazine and tightened background checks on private gun sellers.

The NRA chief made no mention of any of those issues, other than to accuse the US media of "misinformation and dishonesty" in its portrayal of gun ownership in the country. His only mention of President Barack Obama, who has called for national action to combat the carnage of mass shootings, was to charge him with removing a federal budget for a "secure our schools" policing programme.

As he spoke, the NRA's executive vice-president was interrupted twice by protesters carrying banners that said "NRA: Killing Our Kids" and "NRA: Blood On Its Hands".

The White House maintained a minute's silence for Newtown that fell coincidentally, or perhaps intentionally, while LaPierre was speaking. The
fierce intransigence of the NRA after the Connecticut tragedy underlines the difficulty that Obama will have in pushing ahead with reforms designed to prevent lethal weapons falling into the hands of potential mass killers.

The NRA has consistently resisted any move towards tightened gun controls after gun rampages over the past 20 years. The group, which has up to 4 million members across the US, has proven to be a formidable legislative adversary, wielding huge power within Congress and spreading fear among politicians who dare to defy it.

The group went head to head with the Clinton administration in the 1990s, and actively campaigned against Obama in 2008 and in last month's presidential election.

In his writings, LaPierre has accused Obama of entering a plot with the UN to eradicate all guns from the US.

In the speech, the NRA chief warned that there were "dozens, maybe more than 100… monsters" already planning the next attack on an unprotected school. The only way to stop another gun rampage, he said, was to put guns in schools.

He said: "If we truly cherish our kids, more than money, more than our celebrities, we must must give them the greatest level of protection possible and the security that is only available with a properly trained – armed – good guy."

The Guardian


They'll thank you by shooting you first, just like in Newtown Lanza thanked his mother!



There is nothing more disgusting than businesspeople abusing sad occurrences like the Newtown Massacre to boost their sales!
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Offline Johnnie F.

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," LaPierre said.

And what do the "good guys" decide upon who is a "bad guy"? Like George Zimmerman did, upon his target's appearance, skin color, clothing etc.?

In that case briefcases and pin-striped suits of bankers might indicate...
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LaPierre must have spent his life on another planet. His statement, presumably agreed in detail with his colleagues during the past week, was outrageously offensive and insensitive. His solution, to have armed guards at schools, is nonsense and probably has the intention that children will be brought up used to having guns openly on display around them. More gun owners when they grow up. His statement was no more than a cynical and callous sales pitch for the gun business.

He's what he said in full:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/dec/21/nra-full-statement-lapierre-newtown
 

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Arizona plan would arm principals

(CNN) -- Arizona's attorney general proposed arming one principal or employee at each school to defend against attacks such as the recent Connecticut school massacre.

"The ideal solution would be to have an armed police officer in each school," Attorney General Tom Horne said in a news release Wednesday. But budget cuts have limited the number of Arizona schools with "school resource officers" on campus, he said.

The "next best solution," Horne said, "is to have one person in the school trained to handle firearms, to handle emergency situations, and possessing a firearm in a secure location."

A shooter, armed with a semiautomatic rifle and two other guns, on December 14 killed 26 people -- including six faculty members and 20 young students -- at Sandy Hook Elementary in Newtown.

Horne compared the plan to the FAA's program adopted after the September 11, 2001, attacks to arm airline pilots.

A school would be invited to send the principal "or another designee" to "training in the use of firearms and how to handle emergencies such as that which occurred in Newtown," Horne's release said. Horne's office would oversee the free training with help from sheriffs, he said.

"The designated individual (no more than one per school) would then be authorized to keep a firearm locked in a secure place, and would have adequate communication to be alerted to an emergency in any part of the school," the release said.

Newspaper publishes names, addresses of gun permit holders

Several Arizona sheriffs have joined in to support the proposal, Horne said.

Legislation to allow it will be introduced by the Republican leader in the state House, he said.

"This proposal presents a golden mean between two extremes," Horne said. "One extreme is to allow all teachers to bring guns to school, which could create more dangers than it prevents. The other extreme is to do nothing, which everyone will regret if a preventable incident like Newtown would occur in the future."

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If shooters can't enter schools anymore they'll shoot in Post Offices or subway stations, wherever they find people. Why not just arm everybody?
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Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment organisation has organised a pr-gun rally o the first anniversary of the Sandy Hook school massacre. He was interviewed by Piers Morgan this morning and showed the typical NRA style os arrogance and shouting down the interviewer. He tried to shout over PM reading a message from a parent of one of the children killed. He laughed as PM was reading another message.

Under pressure from others, the rally has now been moved to the next day.

I wonder what kind of mind can organise such a rally on such a day. It's obscene.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/gun-groups-plan-guns-save-lives-day-newton-anniversary-article-1.1483324

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-piers-morgan-and-gun-rights-advocate-explode-over-pro-gun-protest-on-newtown-anniversary/
 

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Perhaps I need to review my thoughts about this incident.


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Offline Roger

Saf I watched all of that - spooky thoughts and spooky characters.
Just too fantastic to be credible but on the other hand - too many loose ends to just dismiss it.
1984 gone mad ! An outline for a coming Stephen King novel ?
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roger, after reading some serious research about 9/11 I believe that anything is possible. It's not so surprising that some Americans resist gun control on the grounds that they don't trust their government.

There have been some odd events in the UK too. The 2005 London bus and tube bombing had some striking coincidences similar to 9/11. The emergency agencies were also out on an exercise that morning with a simulated attack on the tube system. Giuliano was in an hotel close to Liverpool Station.Remember that he was Mayor of NY at the time of 9/11 and ordered the demolition of building 7 which contained his command post. It had a few small fires. Shortly after he ordered it, the building came down as if by expert demolition which would take days or week to prepare. In London, a whole in one of the carriages appeared to have been blown from below rather than above.

There are some suspicions about Dunblane too.

I would compare the Sandy Hook suspicions with an imaginary world that crosses between 1984 and Brave New World.

 


Offline Roger

Sandy Hook was a terrible incident. Sky commemorate it many times daily on 'Sky News' with other events in a 'trailer' shown frequently to advertise their 'news' service. I totally deplore this use by Sky of such material - sometimes you can be caught unawares and think that these 'trailed' events are NEW. Sometimes, wouldn't it be nice to be able to bang heads together and get things changed.
These trailers are unnecessary, confusing and exploitative.
The Youtube link posted by Saf on Nov 10th is worth a watch - disturbing whichever way you look at it - insofaras, if the contentions in the tube are true, it's almost too fantastic and quite unbelievable - if they are not true, how sinister that someone would put together such a well argued and plausible piece for whatever purpose in mind.
 

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It's owned by Murdoch. What else would you expect from him?
 

 



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