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Offline Johnnie F.

California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara
« on: May 24, 2014, 10:16:36 PM »
California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara

A gunman has killed six people in drive-by shootings near the Californian city of Santa Barbara, US police say.

The shootings took place late on Friday in Isla Vista near the University of California-Santa Barbara campus.

The suspected gunman was found dead in his car with a bullet wound. It is unclear whether it was self-inflicted.

Police are looking into a possible link with a Youtube video in which a young man complains of repeated rejection by women and threatens to take revenge.

Seven other people are in hospital, and being treated for bullet wounds.

The shootings occurred at several sites in the town of Isla Vista, and there were nine crime scenes, police said.

Witnesses described seeing a black BMW speeding through the streets, with shots being fired at people.

Student Michael Vitek told local TV station KEYT he had seen one woman being fatally struck and another critically injured. "I heard shots, scream, pain," he said.

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This is said to be the video were he announced his mass murder plans.

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Wasn't there something in the news not long ago about a spring break party turning into riot in Isla Vista?

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Offline Roger

Re: California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2014, 04:17:42 PM »
Just seen a heartbreaking clip on TV with a bereaved USA Father trying to address Politicians and weigh the rights of his totally innocent Son against the rights of the Gun Lobby who endorse the 'Gun Law' or lawless society in a Country where these dreadful brutal multiple murders happen so regularly.
I was recently greatly encouraged to see that the USA is now going to sort out Thailand's problems by holding up USD10mill of aid.
Balderdash !

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2014, 07:12:11 PM »
Probably the guy had chosen to enroll at UC's Santa Barbara campus for the number of women studying there. When I was a teaching-assistant and graduate student there about 35 years ago they were outnumbering guys by 5 to 1. But that didn't mean 4 of 5 had no boyfriends and were desperate to find a guy. Most of them came from well-off families and had already relationships with guys from their hometowns, who were enrolled on other campuses or universities. HiSo sorority life was a big social education factor there. Even with a black BMW you had little chance getting noticed by them: They were getting trained not to see you.
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Offline Roger

Re: California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2014, 07:34:33 PM »
Johnnie. Sad insight indeed.

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2014, 10:38:44 AM »
"Elliot Rodger was a student of Santa Barbara City College. He was an egomaniac who thought that simply having a lot of money, wearing fashionable clothes, and driving a nice car entitled him to a beautiful woman. Not a good woman, mind you – but a “hot woman.” (Source)

No, he wasn't student at UCSB; there are worlds between UCSB and SBCC. Guess, he was aiming too high, and therefore hated what he couldn't reach: "His mental disturbance seems as much about class as gender warfare."(Source)

A highly recommended article that puts a lot of contributing factors together like Facebook's and Youtube's etc. 'parts' can be read on Forbes.

He might have looked for that:

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BTW Camarillo with California State University Channel Islands is just south of Santa Barbara in the neighboring Ventura county.
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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: California drive-by gunman kills six in Santa Barbara
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2014, 11:38:10 AM »
Campus Killings Set Off Anguished Conversation About the Treatment of Women

ISLA VISTA, Calif. — A deadly attack by a gunman obsessed by grievances toward women near the campus of the University of California, Santa Barbara, has touched off an anguished conversation here and on social media about the ways women are perceived sexually and the violence against them.

“If we don’t talk misogyny now, when are we going to talk about it?” asked Nancy Yang, a second-year global studies major, as she stood a few feet from a memorial created in the wake of the rampage on Friday night that left six people and the gunman dead and 13 wounded.

“Yes, we have to have compassion, and we don’t know what this perpetrator was going through, but there are underlying issues here,” she said. “We can’t do that without thinking about the way we talk about and speak to women. This act does not represent our campus at all, but at the same time there’s a palpable sense that there needs to be more dialogue about the factors that led to it.”

Even as students are still dealing with the shock of hearing gunshots in front of a local convenience store and seeing the dead and wounded bodies in the street, many here are urging others to consider the implications of the attack. And they are also thinking about the catcalls, leers and the fears of sexual violence that have them traveling in packs and carrying pepper spray in their purses.

Of course, they say, a lewd look is not the same as a sexual assault. An unwanted comment is not the same as a gunshot. But many women interviewed on this sun-splashed campus and commenting online said they believed that some of the attitudes toward women expressed by the gunman, Elliot O. Rodger, in his perverse manifesto of rage and frustration reflect some views that are echoed in the mainstream culture.

This conversation comes as college administrators nationwide are confronting increased attention, including from the White House, over reports of sexual abuse against female students.

For many women here, the attacks were like a nightmare caricature of the safety concerns they deal with regularly on a campus where a high-profile gang rape recently prompted widespread concerns about safety and where an outsize reputation for alcohol-fueled parties led some to wonder if the beachside campus culture in any way played into the violence.

In dozens of interviews, women voiced concerns about incessantly hearing jokes about rape or what physical features make a woman desirable. At some parties, several women said, their buttocks have been grabbed at the entry door.

“I do live in fear — this is a difficult part of our reality,” said Maddie Clerides, 19, a sophomore majoring in global studies. Ms. Clerides said she was not alone in her worries. After the shootings, many women left the campus in fear or at the urging of their parents.

“We don’t walk in groups because we like being in cliques; we have real concerns,” she said. “We’re doing everything we can to be safe, but there’s no doubt that this is scary. We don’t invite this on ourselves by the way we look.”

The conversations have also exploded on social media, with hundreds of thousands of people using the hashtag #yesallwomen to discuss violence against women and reveal deep-seated feelings of anger and horror at the sexual expectations and violence directed at women.

On Twitter and Facebook, women voiced their own experiences with verbal and physical harassment and abuse. There were postings from some who said they wore fake wedding rings to avoid advances from men and others who said that saying no to a man “was only the start of negotiation.”

Several others wrote about being told by boyfriends and husbands that they deserved being abused. They spoke of law enforcement and school administrators ignoring pleas for help.

One woman began using the hashtag on Saturday as a response to the hashtag #notallmen, which had been used to argue that men should not be universally portrayed as sexist aggressors. So yes, women on social media said over and over again, not all men are harassers, but all women have experienced such harassment.

Even as the hashtag continued to be one of the top trends on Twitter on Monday, used with more than one million postings, there was considerable backlash, with some saying it portrayed men unfairly and urging a more universal message. The user credited with beginning the hashtag apparently shut down her account after saying that she had been repeatedly harassed online over the weekend.

Jill Dunlap, a director of the Women’s Center at the University of California, Santa Barbara, said that she hoped the online discussions would help fuel a wider dialogue on campus.

“This whole conversation is about acknowledging that, yes, women have gone very far, but there is still real inequity,” Ms. Dunlap said. “It has just been accepted as fact that women cannot walk alone at night. Now people are saying, ‘Well that’s not really fair, that’s not what we call equality.’ We’re seeing more people say you don’t have to accept it or be polite. It opens up a conversation of how to really change cultural expectations.”

Still, many here suspected that such conversations would not come easily from all corners of campus. Ariana Richmond, a sophomore with a double major in global and feminist studies, organized a march on Monday morning to voice anger about Friday’s attack and, she wrote in an invitation to classmates, “all other acts of violence and disrespect towards womyn that have taken place this year.”

Just a handful of supporters showed up, and Ms. Richmond said that when she voiced her concerns on campus she was often accused of “reverse sexism.”

“The hardest issue for anyone to talk about is misogyny, and that’s what this is — we face harassment every day that stems from the same thing,” she said. “We’ve become so desensitized to it that we don’t even flinch most of the time. But these are real threats directed against women, and we have to call this what it is: a hate crime directed against women.”

Many women spoke of compulsively reading the killer’s manifesto, seeing extreme echoes of sentiments they had all heard before.

A few urged caution, saying this gunman, like others who have marauded across American life, should be seen more as a deranged madman than a metaphor for something larger.

“This was the act of one man,” said Casey Lockwood, who recently graduated with a degree in sociology and still lives in Isla Vista. “I think it’s connected to the imperfect nature of every human being, not just men. I don’t know if we can use it as a sociological window into anything.”

But, on this largely liberal campus, few seemed to see it that way.

Hannah Goodwin, a graduate student in film studies, said she was so alarmed by Friday’s attack that she felt compelled to send a lengthy email to her students on Saturday, urging them to think about their own actions and the prevalence of sexual violence around them.

“It fosters an environment of fear rather than of community and shared learning,” Ms. Goodwin wrote, “and you should never have to experience this anywhere, regardless of what clothing you wear, what color hair you have, your gender, etc. I know you all know this, but it bears repeating: No one ever has the right to demand access to others’ bodies, and you never owe anyone access to your body.”

New York Times

I think narrowing the discussion about the causes to misogyny and sexism is not just a little short-sighted; the social structure of Southern California plays a huge role. What kept the guy from driving down to Tijuana to live his dreams, if he had the doe?

Simply because it wasn't about his dreams or hormones, but about "making the picture", showing the beautiful at your arm that belongs to the social values there, if you got the car and fashionable clothes, what he was unable to, what he couldn't learn so easily in a HiSo sorority-dominated environment. The "cheerleader culture" did its part, too.
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Offline Johnnie F.

Another Campus Shooting: Seattle Pacific University
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2014, 05:49:24 PM »
3 shot at Seattle Pacific University before student tackles gunman

(CNN) -- When Briana Clarke heard popping sounds on a Seattle college campus on Thursday, she thought the source must be something innocent -- bursting balloons. Then she saw a classmate running frantically, saying someone had been shot.

A gunman had opened fire at Seattle Pacific University, killing one person and wounding two more before he was tackled by a student security guard, Seattle police said.

The gunman was reloading a shotgun when the tackler, working as a building monitor, used pepper spray and knocked him down, Police Capt. Chris Fowler told reporters.

"Once on the ground, other students jumped on top of them and subdued the shooter," he said.

The suspect, 26-year-old Aaron Ybarra, is not a student at the school, police said.

They believe he acted alone, but the investigation is going on. Police did not disclose a motive.

The Seattle Times identified the student security guard who tackled him as Jon Meis, citing his longtime roomate Ryan Salgado.

Meis makes a habit of carrying pepper spray around with him as a precautionary measure, Salgado told the paper. The report described Meis as a devout Christian and dedicated student.

Would have been worse

At Otto Miller Hall, the building where the shots were fired, Clarke saw students covered in blood.

"When I walked outside and saw someone down, that was disturbing seeing a bunch of bullets around," she said. "Seeing my friend outside being treated, that was hard to swallow."

The thought that she could have been a victim went through her head.

Police are convinced the shooter would have harmed more people, had those around him not intervened.

"This story is not about an evil act but about the people that actually lived through this scenario and assisted each other when things were pretty tragic," said Seattle police Asst. Chief Paul McDonagh.

The suspect was armed with a shotgun, a knife and additional rounds of ammunition, he said.

Pellet wounds

The shooting began inside the foyer of the building, which houses the university's science, math and engineering departments, when the gunman confronted three people and shot them, Fowler said.

A 19-year-old man was declared dead at Harborview Medical Center. A 20-year-old woman was in critical condition and a 24-year-old man was in satisfactory condition, she said.

He suffered pellet wounds to the neck and chest, a police statement said. A fourth person was transported to the hospital with minor injuries.

Officials immediately locked down the campus.

Blood on floor and walls

University President Daniel J. Martin told CNN affiliate KCPQ he turned on a monitor to view security camera images from Otto Miller Hall after he was alerted to the shooting.

"The students acted without regard for their own safety," he said, his voice breaking with emotion.

Jillian Smith was taking a math test when she learned the campus was on lockdown. She said she kept taking the test until she heard police officers yelling.

"After we found out by social media what was going on, people were crying and everything," Smith told CNN affiliate KOMO.

Police escorted students out of the building, where she she saw blood on the floor and walls in the foyer.

Blake Oliveria was in a class when he heard the gunshots.

He said he removed his shoes in case he had to run but stayed in the classroom until police arrived to escort students out.

"I saw blood ... on the ground," he told CNN. "There were two or three big (pools) and some small ones scattered throughout the hallway."


Mary Jones' daughter attends Seattle Pacific but was unharmed. Still, she wonders how safe colleges will be without laws regulating access to guns.

"Where are the controls to keep our children from purchasing a handgun or any other kind of weapon? And does that take government controls to keep that from happening? I don't know," she told KOMO. "There has to be a greater understanding of what that weapon can do and the pain it can inflict on another person's life."

Seattle Pacific is a Christian university with a student population of 4,270. It is located in Seattle's Queen Anne neighborhood. The school has canceled classes all day Friday, it said on its website.

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