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sicho

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Almost Another School Massacre
« on: August 21, 2013, 09:25:33 AM »
A gunman with an AK47 managed to get into a Miami school. His aim seem to have been to shoot at police but there were many young students at risk. A teacher managed to persuade him to put down the gun and surrender.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/gunman-in-us-school/784570.html
 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2013, 07:38:53 AM »
Anntoinette Tuff, the school bookkeeper, deserves at least a medal for what she has done.

CNN has just broadcast the recording of her telephone conversation with the 911 dispatcher while the gunman was in the same room as her shooting at police and saying that he was prepared to die. She relayed messages between the dispatcher and the gunman and finally persuaded him to disarm, lie on the floor and wait to be arrested. No-one was hurt.

If she had been armed, as some people think school employees should be, and attempted to pull out her gun, goodness knows what might have happened.


 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2013, 08:59:06 AM »
Here's a brief snatch of the recording. The whole thing is amazing.



Antoinette Tuff 'He said he don't care if he dies': 911 call from Georgia school shooting released
 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2013, 10:51:54 AM »
Here's a longer version:



AMAZING: Gripping 911 Call From George School Shooting FULL AUDIO!
 

Offline thaiga

Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2013, 05:01:52 PM »
Here is the brave lady


School Shooter Taken Down By Bookkeeper Antoinette Tuff HERO Interview
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.
 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2013, 08:30:15 AM »
Anderson Cooper interviewed the lady today and introduced her to the 911 Operator.

Antoinette described in detail what happened from before she called 911 until the police arrested the gunman. She dealt with the problem with amazing skill, staying calm and talking him down from his original agitated state. She talked about her Christianity and how it had helped her. She's an excellent advocate for her religion, standing head and shoulders above all those professional and lay Christians who spot their stuff but seem to nothing practical.

I hope that the full interview will soon appear on You Tube.

Something she revealed was quite shocking. We all recall the incident in New York where police shot at suspects in the street and hit innocent people. We also remember when the Boston Bombers were trapped in a car in a street and police shot indiscriminately, firing bullets into homes. Well, she told us that when the gunman fired at the police, they fired back, bullets entering a school full of children. Perhaps the next massacre will be by the police.
 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2013, 09:22:40 AM »
Here's a part of the interview. She had received some unspecified bad news that morning and yet managed to set it aside to deal with the gunman.


Antoinette Tuff Georgia School Shooting Hero Speaks Out on Anderson Cooper-Amazing Woman
 

Offline Baby Farts

Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2013, 10:22:14 AM »
There's often a fine line between bravery and stupidity.  Although I commend her for being able to persuade the man to disarm, it's best to let the professionals who are trained to deal with this sort of thing sort it out. 
 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2013, 10:34:11 AM »
I don't think that she was in a position to walk out. She has had some training at her church to deal with stressful occurrences, probably because of her own experiences, and it seems to have worked.

Recent incidents suggest that the 'professionals' would have shot the school to pieces.
 

Offline Baby Farts

Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2013, 08:49:49 AM »
Probably.  She took a gamble and fortunately for her and the rest of the lives there the gamble paid off. 
 

sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2013, 08:59:29 AM »
Standing up to a deranged guy with an AK47 is a gamble only if you have the option to walk away. She had no choice but to stay and she did a great job of disarming him while the cops were intent on shooting up a school full of children.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2013, 10:43:18 AM »
Standing up to a deranged guy with an AK47 is a gamble only if you have the option to walk away. She had no choice but to stay and she did a great job of disarming him while the cops were intent on shooting up a school full of children.

I fully agree with that! It leads to the question, why some people become so "deranged" to turn against society as a whole. Probably she "just" did, what the guy needed: pay attention to him! I don't think he went there with an AK-47 to commit suicide, to get shot to pieces. Giving cops sufficient psychological training instead of guns would help society a lot more, a society, in which more and more are turning nuts due to the lack of perspectives they can agree with.
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sicho

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Re: Almost Another School Massacre
« Reply #12 on: August 25, 2013, 11:09:35 AM »
Interesting comments, JF.

Modern society can be stressful, especially for those who can't find work or who come from a disadvantaged section of society. In addition, there is the matter of mental illness. The gunman in this event is said to be bi-polar and in need of medication and the Sandy Hook killer seems to have been similar. I think that at least some of those who have carried out or attempted massacres in the US were looking for attention, even negative attention, and in their disturbed state were willing to be killed in order to relieve their pain. I know that's not rational but they were probably not in a rational state of mind.

It's been said that the US doesn't have a good mental health programme and that most of those who might benefit if it did don't have the means by which to pay. That would suggest that there are many ill people on the streets who have no medical care.

Another issue in the US is that just about anyone, including the mentally or emotionally ill, can get his hands on a gun. The frequency of gun crime teaches those who want a gun for the same purpose that they can do it and the television publicity even tells them how to do it.

In the incident the subject of this thread, the only person who had any negotiating skills relevant to the situation was Antoinette. There was no sign that the police made an attempt to put a trained negotiator of their own in contact with the gunman. Their only contribution seems to have been to get children out of the rear of the school while they shot into the building from the front.

The increasing number of massacres seems almost to be matched by incidents in which police shoot indiscriminately in places where there are innocent people. In one case, a policeman accidentally shot a colleague. If the police behave like that then there is no wonder that civilians think that they can do the same.

There's a school of thought in the US that one should be responsible for oneself and not look to the State for help. However, in a civilised society, responsibility for self should go hand in hand with social programmes. There's no debating this subject, it seems. Those who argue for gun control or better social programmes are shouted down by the opposition and called 'Socialists' or 'Communists'. That is a sign of a brainwashed populace that is losing its way
 

 



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