Author Topic: Julian Assange & Wikileaks (Read 9606 times)

Baby Farts · « **on:** December 06, 2010, 02:40:24 PM »

I have no problem with the majority of the world hating America, but this fcuk sex crminal has pushed the limits. To fcuk with US government, it's security, and allies is not a smart thing to do. Wtf is this as.swipe trying to prove? And now he has graduated to being on the list as a terrorist. I hope this cnut enjoys his short stay there. Whistle blower? Says who? The media? He's a terrorists.

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Johnnie F. · « **Reply #1 on:** December 06, 2010, 03:06:05 PM »

What's the use of posting plain invectives like that, BF? Open the window or get an oxygen bottle, if you need to breathe better!

As far as I can see, neither the accusation "sex criminal" nor "terrorist" has been proven. All he did was giving a spark. If they go after him with the means the press reports of they just encourage others to go even further.

Ever thought of that?

Baby Farts · « **Reply #2 on:** December 06, 2010, 03:50:15 PM »

Proven? Have you seen what this as.swipe has made public? Endangering our country and allies is something good? For what? To fufill his unilateral wet dream of pretending to be the savior from the American infidels when all he's done is endangered an entire country and it's factions? The ONLY people who support this freak of nature are the American haters...yet there they are standing by us in war and when their own country is in trouble come to US for help.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #3 on:** December 06, 2010, 04:36:34 PM »

Julian Assange must be a really great and powerful person, if he could do all that...alone! And that's exactly the point, BF: he is one person, who might have started Wikileaks' website. But his idea found so many followers that the secret archives of the US were held wide open to let the world know.

There's no point in projecting that on one person, it's rather something in the system that wasn't taken care of properly by the people who receive a salary for calling themselves "in charge".

The people "in charge" have "taken care" of cancelling the domain wikileaks.org - that's why you can use the domain wikileaks.ch now to access the sites content. The more the "people in charge" cry foul and use "legitimate means" to suppress they more sites will pop up with that content. The "people in charge" made Paypal block Wikileaks' account to dry up their funds. Don't you think they just challenge people to find other ways to support Wikileaks and let more money flow to them than ever?

I think the only way out is to stand up to their "secrecy" while representing the people. They got caught. So what! Should just serve to do a better job in future, an open job! But their attempts to go after one person or dry up the funds of Wikleaks will just play into the hands of those who are sick of "secret services". A "service" not open isn't a service! And "public servants" operating in secrecy aren't servants at all. So what are those "in charge"?

And what is the best way to support Wikileaks? Plain bitching like you do!

dirtydog · « **Reply #4 on:** December 06, 2010, 04:48:04 PM »

Hardly a sex criminal, a condom broke so he is breaking some obscure law that he might be fined for, perhaps America can ship him off to one of their secret torture prisons

Baby Farts · « **Reply #5 on:** December 06, 2010, 04:57:20 PM »

People like Julian demise their own downfall...just watch.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #6 on:** December 06, 2010, 05:26:22 PM »

Quote from: Baby Farts on December 06, 2010, 04:57:20 PM

People like Julian demise their own downfall...just watch.

...but Wikileaks under whatever name or on whichever server will live on as long as people only bitch about it instead of learning a lesson and applying what they have learned from it. It has shaken the system and needs to be integrated now. More openness instead of secrecy especially in the public sector. Public just happens to be the opposite of secret. Was it all just a misunderstanding of the ones collecting for "being in charge"?

Baby Farts · « **Reply #7 on:** December 07, 2010, 04:22:34 PM »

More openess? You're right. We should disclose all our military secrets to the public, because they feel entitled to know things. I don't see any Americans whining, only this Ftard Assange. Maybe, he'll start posting the design and plans to some of America's fighter planes and stuff like that. WTF is this as.sholes beef with America? He's not even an American! Ckocsucker.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2010, 11:50:54 AM »

I only do see companies like Amazon (threw Wikileaks off their servers, most likely breaking a contract with Wikileaks), Paypal, Mastercard and Visa (blocked the money support to Wikileaks clearly by breaking contracts with Wikileaks and millions of other customers who wanted to use their accounts by transfering funds to Wikileaks) demising themselves. What they're doing is obviously a big blow against that American dream of "the perfect democracy". America isn't suffering from Wikileaks' actions but from their own actions in response to Wikileaks. Remember where America would be, if some people hadn't been courageous enough to spill all that tea in Boston's harbor?

It isn't that those documents were published unredacted, i. e. not made sure of the relative harmless nature of the published documents. I bet that Wikileaks is in possession of far more "dangerous" documents, actually containing military secrets, which they haven't published yet. That's why Julian Assange could easily give himself up to the British police. His friends have a very strong pledge in case authorities don't play fair.

The Wikileaks activists are "rerrorising" others as much as those people who started democracy and independence in America by refusing to pay high taxes to the British crown for tea brought to America.

Baby Farts · « **Reply #9 on:** December 08, 2010, 12:52:41 PM »

JF, this guy isn't even an American. He's an Aussie, not to mention that his country along with all the othet liberal as.swipes from wikileaks and the countries they come from are for the most part our allies and stand by the US. That's ok. He was arrested today. Som nom na.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #10 on:** December 08, 2010, 01:07:56 PM »

I can only repeat to your understanding:

Quote from: Johnnie F. on December 06, 2010, 04:36:34 PM

Julian Assange must be a really great and powerful person, if he could do all that...alone!

Looks like people not understanding that want to make a martyr of him. He seems prepared.

Baby Farts · « **Reply #11 on:** December 08, 2010, 07:11:25 PM »

Get real JF. The only as.swipes who THINK they are making him a martyr are those who probably aren't even Americans in the first place. You post that picture of time magazine? Wtf? You should know by now the media has the LEAST bit of credibilty these days. So do you support this terrorist because that's exactly what he is?

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #12 on:** December 08, 2010, 08:21:54 PM »

Quote from: Baby Farts on December 08, 2010, 07:11:25 PM

So do you support this terrorist because that's exactly what he is?

I'm watching with high interest how people react to the whole affair, don't want to call it a scandal and can't get excited about it like you. . That doesn't have anything to do with supporting or not supporting. It's a chapter in our history and cannot be undone. But how things go on from here can well be determined by well-thought of actions or no actions. It is always better to collect information first to base your opinion on. Since the whole is a conflict I need to observe both sides. I see myself still as impartial.

Where do you think the world would be now, if those at Boston, who were certainly seen as criminals by the British at that time, had not risen above the law and thrown that tea in the Boston harbor? They started something and many other people made something of it: the independent United States of America! Now what does the world make of Wikileaks' action? That is the question. Where does it go from here? Of course it might be interesting to find out how things got that far, so we can base future decisions on this knowledge. But that's all that counts: How do we go on from here?

dirtydog · « **Reply #13 on:** December 08, 2010, 09:31:11 PM »

Seems the Assange fan club is hacking and attacking everything, mastercard got taken down, the Swedish presecutors got hacked.
http://anonops.net/anonops/Current_target
http://twitter.com/Anon_Operation
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Operation-Payback/159087537452278

Baby Farts · « **Reply #14 on:** December 09, 2010, 01:39:10 AM »

Jf, this isn't about a country fighting for its independance. It's about putting America and several other countries at risk. I would hardly call your anology to the boston tea party valid. So this guy puts several countries at risk, hes going to be charged with sex crimes, and now these wannabe hackers want revenge because certain businesses have recognized this lunatic IS a terrotist and cut him off? Think about that for a second. These pr.cks doing these denial of service attacks have NOW broken the law and have caused probably millions of dollars in damages. Doesn't say too
much for their cause now does it? Operation "payback" they are calling it? There's one for ya. Payback?

Good lord these people are raving lunatics. If any payback is to be made it should be against that as.s julian ASSange.

This guy will go down hard. Just watch.

dirtydog · « **Reply #15 on:** December 09, 2010, 03:24:18 AM »

anonops got hacked, but they are setting up stuff all over the place, they got over 2,000 in their botnet now, so can pretty much take down anything they want.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #16 on:** December 09, 2010, 06:43:36 AM »

Quote from: Baby Farts on December 09, 2010, 01:39:10 AM

Jf, this isn't about a country fighting for its independance. It's about putting America and several other countries at risk. I would hardly call your anology to the boston tea party valid. So this guy puts several countries at risk, hes going to be charged with sex crimes, and now these wannabe hackers want revenge because certain businesses have recognized this lunatic IS a terrotist and cut him off? Think about that for a second. These pr.cks doing these denial of service attacks have NOW broken the law and have caused probably millions of dollars in damages. Doesn't say too
much for their cause now does it? Operation "payback" they are calling it? There's one for ya. Payback? Good lord these people are raving lunatics. If any payback is to be made it should be against that as.s julian ASSange.

This guy will go down hard. Just watch.

From what I can see he doesn't seem to be afraid. The system's reaction is in my opinion just what is at the center of the whole game, what Wikileaks has been challenging. The more repressive the "establishment" reacts the more opponents it will call onto the scene. It's a new movement of people not happy with the system.

Are you afraid of somebody sitting in a British jail right now, BF? You could only accuse the jail keepers of letting him do things, if he actually would do something. You still haven't got it: it's people, DD called them the Assange Fan Club, but for you it's simply one person. It's a movement of people that has to be dealt with. And it isn't a blow aimed at the USA only! it's against a system to show it's inefficiency by the way it reacts. Your invections are just a part of that system. What'll be your reaction when you realize it isn't one person only? "Kill'em all"?

Don't forget that those documents haven't been stolen by people from the outside, they have been passed on by people from the inside; the US government "leaked". Some are angry about those who helped that leak, others applaud. In any case it shows a lack of harmony among US government employees. Some feel that the way they have to do their jobs isn't the right way. Did you mean them by that: "Good lord these people are raving lunatics." I think it's great to have government officials using their own brain!

Baby Farts · « **Reply #17 on:** December 09, 2010, 06:05:28 PM »

Why the F is everyone so infatuated with the US? There was already one person arrested for leaking information. Furthermore, this "Fan Club" consists nothing more than a bunch of pimple squirting teens and college brat hacker "wannabes" bent on doing whatever appears to be the "in" thing when they haven't f***ing clue what's going on.. kind of like that idiot Aussie and Brit who decided to participate on the riots here in Thailand just for the fun of it.

Let me set you straight on a few things that you seem to be missing here. First of all, these businesses that these cybercnunts decided to attack had every right LEGALLY to cut off doing business with wikileaks. Are you following me here?..and so they launch operation "Payback." Payback?

?? Try and see the logic here JF. Payback for what? These tw.ats are even close to being hackers, not to mention that they are breaking the law. A handful of ftards post some links to a program LOIC which even my two year old son could figure how to use to ping websites. Wow...I'm impressed, considering the interface is almost identical to one I wrote MYSELF over twenty years ago when I used to knock people off IRC when they pissed me off. This whole cyberwar reminds me of the riots we had here in Thailand. People want to jump in irregardless of the cause.. it's for the thrill and fun, especially when it involves the most hated country in the world, America.

At least twitter, facefukbook and others have suspended the accounts of these "hacker" wannabes.

Finally, you talk about "the system." Would this be the same system that these cry baby countries call upon whenever they get in trouble? You STILL seem to elude to the fact that this cnut has no right whatsoever to whine like the little baby he is. HE IS NOT AN AMERICAN. Besides his home country FULLY SUPPORTS America less the comment made yesterday by the PM trying to say it's all America's fault. You know, America should go into isolation like the Japs did for 400 years and tell the rest of the world F-U! You get into trouble whether it be a war, or ACT OF NATURE, and you need our help, go find some other country to lean on...Unappreciative fuks can take our red, white, and blue dildo and stick it up your as.s.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #18 on:** December 09, 2010, 07:48:16 PM »

Of course any company does have "the right" to break a contract, they just have to pay for the damages they caused by doing that plus some "punitive award" and then also live with the reaction of other customers who might prefer another service in future. By what I heard complaints to US courts are already underway. But why did those companies not call on the courts themselves to get a clarification before they suspended accounts on the internet, which is by most people seen as something not a company owns but is more like the air people breathe, i. e. for common use? Are they so sure that US courts will always decide the way "powerful" companies think before them? I do know another picture of US courts...

Last I heard is that Paypal have been partly giving up their clearly illegal action of freezing Wikileaks' account: Wikileaks' can withdraw and use that money now, but they still don't want to pass on donations from other customers to that account. The recourse claims of people who had donated before would have cost them a pretty penny!

dirtydog · « **Reply #19 on:** December 09, 2010, 09:58:26 PM »

Paypal is now giving wiki some loving baby, they realised the error of their ways, they reinstated wiki accounts, says the nasty Yanks made erm take away the accounts, oh dear, corperate america forcing businesses to do business their way, wanna build a secret torture prison baby

dirtydog · « **Reply #20 on:** December 09, 2010, 10:01:05 PM »

The botnet is still out there, they can take down anything they want, so call them SIR

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #21 on:** December 09, 2010, 10:37:50 PM »

"We're only in it for the money" - and I thought that was by Frank Zappa; now it is by Amazon (UK)!

Amazon attempts to profit from Cablegate with Kindle book

Amazon is attempting to profit on the Wikileaks "Cablegate". It pulled its web services when Wikileaks attempted to use it for hosting - but now is offering a Kindle edition, for £7.37 including VAT, of the entire released cables.

The author is listed as Heinz Duthel. Other brooks from Heiz Duthel include: "Discovering Asian Women," "Learn Chinese finger Shadows plays (1)" and "Time travel. Tourism in time. Twin paradox. (1)."

Supporters are hitting out at the appearance of the cables, for profit, on Amazon. The top rated review by a Mr. Winkie says: "So you wilfully help to proliferate the lies for free, but you will only support the truth if there is a fast buck to be made. One nation under gold, right?"

http://www.techeye.net/internet/amazon-attempts-to-profit-from-cablegate-with-kindle-book

dirtydog · « **Reply #22 on:** December 09, 2010, 10:48:56 PM »

Ain't much money in hosting, we charge 3,500baht per year, selling the info is where the money is, amazon aint dumb

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #23 on:** December 10, 2010, 05:16:12 PM »

Quote from: Johnnie F. on December 09, 2010, 07:48:16 PM

I do know another picture of US courts...

Just look how Jim Morrison was served justice yesterday by the State of Florida. Only 40 years after he died they cancelled that verdict of six months jail and $500 for indecent exposure at a concert of The Doors in Miami in 1969. None of the 10.000 strong audience had taken a photograph that could prove the lizard king had shown his lizard. I do hope it doesn't take as long to rehabilitate persons currently accused.

Baby Farts · « **Reply #24 on:** December 10, 2010, 07:58:52 PM »

It's not so much about freedom of speech, information, etc., and the rest of the bleeding heart liberal as.swipes that I have a problem with....It's WHAT information he released. I am talking about ENDANGERING peoples' lives and several countries. He should have thought a little more carefully about what he decided to leak, but he chose not to. Putting peoples' lives in danger hardly makes this twit even worth supporting let alone a whistle blower. Did you notice in Denmark they've arrested one of the hacker wannabes...As I stated earlier..a sixteen year old kid.... this morning on BBC and CNN they interviewed one of the wikileaks supporters / hacker wannabes... British accent no doubt and by the sound of his voice...couldn't be over the age of nineteen (probably excited that he sprouted three new pubes)..it's all about the fun factor. Ask any 16-19 year old kid about Afghanistan or America's foreign policy and they haven't a friggen clue....yet here they are taking advantage of an opportunity to reek havoc on the most hated country in the world who they don't even realize is probably an ally of the country they are currently residing in.. but do you see attacks and leaks on them?

No.

I'd like to see Julian come to America where he can practice his "Freedom of speech and Information" in front of the American people and public. You mentioned "Afraid" earlier, JF...who's really the afraid one? He can say what he wants in public in America. Bring it on down. ..no wait.. he has to hide in a cyber world with bunch of teenagers.. If he were to come to America, the only "leaking" you would see would be coming from his trousers.

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #25 on:** December 10, 2010, 08:47:08 PM »

Quote from: Baby Farts on December 10, 2010, 07:58:52 PM

...the only "leaking" you would see would be coming from his trousers.

I bet that's how a lot of Americans felt (spontaneously without thought) about "Deep Throat" for talking to The Washington Post about the "fair play" (Watergate scandal) of their president (Richard Nixon) and his friends. Did America break down under that? Or did only a president resign? What is happening now is harmless compared to that!

To my information the papers Wikileaks publishes are carefully checked by professional editors from well known international newspapers to not exceed the limits of what is legitimate to publish.

Who do you trust more: the politicians and government officials or the journalists?

Baby Farts · « **Reply #26 on:** December 11, 2010, 07:48:24 AM »

Fair enough JF, but since when did these professional editors become military / security experts with the ability to determine what is published and what isn't. Isn't that just another sophisticated form of the very ideal they proclaim to be opposed of?? Censorship, secrecy etc? Who all of sudden made these people the experts and gave them the authority as to what is relased to the public and what is not? Professional? Says who? Trust? I don't trust any of the people you've listed but yet people are willing to put their trust in the media and a handful of these so called professional editors?

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #27 on:** December 11, 2010, 09:20:51 AM »

Quote from: Baby Farts on December 11, 2010, 07:48:24 AM

Fair enough JF, but since when did these professional editors become military / security experts with the ability to determine what is published and what isn't.

Very simple: since the most important invention of the second millennium, that enabled mass production of newspapers, i. e. the beginning of printing. They have been made experts by the recipients of their publications, by the people who financially supported them buying their publications. And by the governments who had to allow their publications being in agreement with the laws. In the case of Wikileaks the companies like Mastercards, Visa, Paypal and Amazon took the laws in their own hands, attempting to be dictators by determining that Wikileaks' publications were not in agreement with the laws. They weren't even trying to find out by calling on the courts to investigate and make a judgement. Maybe because they already knew that those publications weren't violating the laws!

And now answer me a counter-question: What would become of the USA, if "the military/security experts" had free hand in running the country? A system like North Korea, Burma and too many more? A free press is necessary to keep people in governments and military from installing totalitarian systems. Who else would inform the public, so people can make up their minds about standing up or bowing down?

Baby Farts · « **Reply #28 on:** December 11, 2010, 06:30:14 PM »

The military is in control and its commander is the president. The US has all this classified information and yet it's the media who controls what is released to the public?

? The only control freaks people are failing to recognize is the media. You know it and I know it so lets not even going there. Take foxnews for example who relies on tmz as one of their sources. Good god. "we distort, you decide."

Johnnie F. · « **Reply #29 on:** December 11, 2010, 08:40:36 PM »

Quote from: Baby Farts on December 11, 2010, 06:30:14 PM

The military is in control and its commander is the president.

Wow, BF, you're even better than Wikileaks! And I always believed the USA to be a representative democracy, a form of government founded on the principle of elected individuals representing the people, as opposed to autocracy. You must've revealed a secret now; they're still telling people it were a democracy.

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