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sailor

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Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« on: July 01, 2009, 09:09:21 AM »
Strangely enough, all three appear to be in their death throes.

KoratFarang-- Seems to be getting less contentious, but more petty. Sportrider appears to be fed up with the way things are going, but unsure how to properly use his power (not unlike the Shah in the late 70's). It's unrecognizable from a few years ago.

I haven't watched it too closely, but this PJ Ray/ RayzHell character seems to be at the root of the shift in tone. The main poster these days (also defense counsel for Ray), Ajaxied keeps stressing that some members are assholes and enemies on the forum, but then go out for beers together every night. Ain't that sweet.

GrumpyExpat - very low traffic, a lot of the banter seems to be between just two or three members. Also a little ugliness flaring up here and there.

Koratfart probably just a lark, but the name alone is sheer brilliance, along with that 'simple machines' look.


So my question is this. Since all three forums appear headed to the dustbin (no offence Koratfart), what happened? KoratFarang seemed like a genuinely friendly site, for YEARS. The other two will have to deal with the bad vibes left over, it'll never be the same.

No emoticons, didn't see one for "rolling eyes/ disappointed".

 

sailor

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2009, 09:28:05 AM »
More to the point. Why can't a bunch of people who are generally freindly to each other face to face get along on internet forums?
 

sicho

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2009, 10:00:31 AM »
Korat Farang has always had trolls and other troublemakers. The things that has changed, I think, is the way that they are dealt with.
 

george

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2009, 11:42:49 AM »
sailor, why are they so nasty on the internet? This is easily explained, there old age has made them extremely bitter, wearing adult nappies in this heat makes for their bad tempers, living out in the sticks of Korat isn't what they had planned for there old age, the idea was a different girl every night for the rest of their lives, ie not very long, sadly they got caught by Noy or Lek, they have no more sex drive, too old to go out and do something interesting and just slowly waiting for the jaws of death to accept them.

All quite sad really :)
 

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2009, 12:07:30 PM »
No emoticons, didn't see one for "rolling eyes/ disappointed".

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Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2009, 12:30:33 PM »
More to the point. Why can't a bunch of people who are generally freindly to each other face to face get along on internet forums?

Ever heard of "reputation game" and "group mentality", "My home is my castle"?
 

george

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 12:37:41 PM »
I think they should arrange bingo nights for all the old gits in Korat, say every Thursday, 10 baht a card, that should keep their minds occupied :)
 

Larry

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2009, 03:32:07 PM »
Strangely enough, all three appear to be in their death throes.

Since all three forums appear headed to the dustbin (no offence Koratfart), what happened? KoratFarang seemed like a genuinely friendly site, for YEARS. The other two will have to deal with the bad vibes left over, it'll never be the same.

KoratFarang seemed like a genuinely friendly site, for YEARS? It has only been going since March 2006 - that's only three years, three and a bit months. I've been watching the board for 2 years and seen both friendliness and aggravation. Posts from the first year of its life show it was much the same then.

The arrival of new members will inevitably change the direction, style and possibly tone of any forum. That's natural. It would be the same as changing the players in a football team. The game is the same but the folks are different. Same game, same ball, same field, different show.

GrumpyExpat is a new baby in the family as is koratfart.com. Nobody knows what will happen to them, there are so many variables, including what happens on other forums. Koratfart.com is unlikely to ever replace Koratfarang or even become a 'normal' forum. I don't think admin even wants that. 

Koratfarangwebs is also still around but seems to be on life support at the moment.

All that said, does it really matter if one of them folds? Or even all of them? Real life will continue without them and new forums could spring up tomorrow. Forums are a bit like underwear; it's better to have some but life wont stop if you lose them - and replacement isn't so hard.

Finally, the world is dynamic; It's continually changing. Very little stays the same. We shouldn't be disappointed about that, we should be accustomed to it. With no change there would be little excitement and no nostalgia, but perhaps more boredom.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2009, 03:57:53 PM »
I really do agree with most of what you said, Larry! Especially that the problem KF has now didn't pop up some day but existed from the near beginning and wasn't taken care of in time. Can it still be cured and how?

Koratfart.com is unlikely to ever replace Koratfarang or even become a 'normal' forum. I don't think admin even wants that.

Definitely I wouldn't want Koratfart.com to become like Koratfarang.com!  :o

But what is a 'normal' forum? Could you please enlighten me so I know what I have to avoid Koratfart.com from developing into? ;) You know, I see a forum as a forum, no 'norm' applied. A forum is IMO an interactive website where people can become friends but don't need to prove each other enemies, temporary or permanent, for fun and show only or in reality. ;D
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george

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #9 on: July 01, 2009, 04:10:32 PM »
Thats one of the better things about the UK, when old people start going senile you can just put them in a home, here it seems they move to Korat and get themselves an internet connection :)
 

sailor

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2009, 07:33:48 PM »
Guess I'd green Larry if I could. Pretty solid analysis of where forums stand in the real world.


Evidently my time /space perceptive operator is malfunctioning. Thought KF had been around for ages.
 

Larry

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #11 on: July 01, 2009, 09:11:30 PM »
Koratfart.com is unlikely to ever replace Koratfarang or even become a 'normal' forum. I don't think admin even wants that.

Definitely I wouldn't want Koratfart.com to become like Koratfarang.com!  :o

But what is a 'normal' forum? Could you please enlighten me so I know what I have to avoid Koratfart.com from developing into? ;) You know, I see a forum as a forum, no 'norm' applied. A forum is IMO an interactive website where people can become friends but don't need to prove each other enemies, temporary or permanent, for fun and show only or in reality. ;D

‘Normal’ has a wide bandwidth and, as Jezza said, each forum is different with different characters populating them and mostly with different owners or administrators. What I meant was that by its own choice koratfart.com is different than a great many forums. Most forums want to be taken somewhat seriously whereas, in your own words, ‘This board is dedicated to all that could happen and should happen to keep the world from sinking too deep into seriousness’. So this board doesn’t want to be taken too seriously. Then there is the Garbage Can Philosophy where every contribution is welcome, even spam. Spam is not deleted, only the links removed, and as such, spam is welcome on the board. It’s the only forum I’ve come across with that kind of thinking and isn’t the ‘norm’ for forums.

This forum grew out of koratfarngwebs.com which, by your own words, was ‘a facility for the mentally instable’. The owner/admin and original members of Koratfart came from that forum, a place to ‘let people unwind and get rid of their inner stresses and problems by venting their frustrations and inner anger on an internet forum, a bit like a psychiatrist's couch.’  I think at the moment the character of this forum is greatly influenced by the character of kortfarangwebs.com and is unlike most/all I've come across.

So instead of saying that koratfart.com is not ‘normal’, perhaps I should have said that koratfart.com is unique.
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2009, 09:41:38 PM »
So instead of saying that koratfart.com is not ‘normal’, perhaps I should have said that koratfart.com is unique.

Very good post again, Larry! Isn't that just what we need: different and unique forums? Most forums are splits from other forums. If they just reproduce the forum they split from, is there a lasting effect at all from the split?

My observation: the faster a forum gets bigger the more difficult it is to keep it from going sideways into trouble. For example: that grumpyexpat has a few posters only now still at the beginning does not keep it from getting one or two new ones by the time and develop healthily. KF on the other side started as a split from tv like a stampede and had lotsa posters having to find a way how to get along. No diplomatic guidance by the admin kept it to developing healthily. By far the biggest prob there is that most of the guys take themselves far too seriously. George said why: they're unhappy with their lives. The aim of KF was to improve our life situations here in Korat by enabling us to share knowledge and give advice. The expections of the guys causing the ruckus now are the problem. If somebody can make them understand what we discuss openly on this board they might be helped and KF along with them. I do hope many of them read our posts not only looking at us as enemies.

You're right, in my view the concern of this forum is to relieve tensions in ourselves and in our communication.
 

george

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2009, 10:20:23 PM »
Lack of talcum powder on nappy changes perhaps?
 

george

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2009, 11:10:46 PM »
I have a plan :) now the main problem seems to be a lack of bonding in the Korat expat community, when you were younger you all no doubt played sports so had team mates and the bonding process of solid friendships would start, the trouble is at your age sports is not really the first thing on your mind these days, but I have an idea :)

Now the common denominator about Korat expats is that they are all old and bitter, well maybe not all bitter but most are coffin dodgers, so the thing they have in common is of course medical problems, koratfart will be chairing the first charter korat expats meeting next month, the theme for this first great meeting will be the all important prostate and how to massage and milk it, to help bonding among the expats you will be able to practise your new found skills of prostate massaging on each other, I would like to be the first to thank koratfart for this community minded event and I hope you all have a great night of it.

 

sicho

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2009, 11:30:06 PM »
I think they should arrange bingo nights for all the old gits in Korat, say every Thursday, 10 baht a card, that should keep their minds occupied :)

You don't known the Korat community very well, George. It's the ladies who play bingo while the guys play darts and get pissed over quizzes. Golf is another pastime but the ladies aren't invited for some reason. Some older farang in Korat find that the daily adventures to which you refer in another post still within their capabilities.

The 'troublemakers' on KF, by the way, are, to a man, under 50 years old and some are under 40.

If the older guys have a fault, it's to stereotype farang who still live in Pattaya.  ;)
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2009, 05:57:29 PM »
The 'troublemakers' on KF, by the way, are, to a man, under 50 years old and some are under 40.


I fully agree with that observation! Should at least have an admin bevond that age!  ;)

That reminds me of a great song by The Who, from "Live At Leeds": "Young Man Blues".

Young Man Blues - The Who (Live at Leeds)


Well a young man
He ain't got nothin' in the world these days
I said a young man
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days

In the old days
When a young man was a strong man
All the people stepped back
When a young man walked by

You know nowadays
Well it's the old man's
Got all the money
And a young man
Ain't got nothin' in the world these days

You know nowadays, if you're the young man
You ain't got nothin' in the world these days
 

JB

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2009, 05:00:40 PM »
SR has posted a new thread in which he is looking for new admin / moderators. He no longer wants to be involved in the day to day operation.

Now it all depends on who he appoints as moderators as this could make or break the forum completely.
 

Jokerr

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2009, 05:21:09 PM »
Dutch, Lawnman and Tubbiguy would be great moderators.  ;D ;D ;D
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2009, 05:44:23 PM »
I suggest to unban all he ever banned before and appoint them admins. ;D

Problem for me is I don't even remember my nick and password anymore. :'(
 

KFL

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2009, 05:47:18 PM »
Quote from: Sportrider on July 05, 2009 at 3:13:59 PM
Dear All,

I am considering handing over day-to-day admin/moderation of KF to a small team of moderators.

If you are interested in being one of these moderators, please let me know by sending me a private message.   In that message, please let me know any thoughts you have about the team might manage itself, the ideal number of mods, how responsibilities might overlap or be separate, any specific moderation policies, etc, etc.

If after three years he has no idea who he would want to be moderators on his forum, and after two weeks of correspondence on the topic he has no idea of who is interested in being a moderator or taking over admin, he really should forget about having anything to do with a forum ever again in his life. It really shows his total unsuitability and incompetence as a forum admin and owner. 

Also note today's message: "I am considering handing over.."
And 29 June: "I'm thinking of disposing of KF and am open to ideas.

Still thinking? Can't he even make a simple decision?
 

george

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2009, 06:12:58 PM »
Never ever unban the scum, he needs to ban more and more and MORE, incorrect spellings and the poster should be banned, bad paragraphs and punctuation, ban them....
 

Lung Jim

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2009, 07:33:45 PM »
Never ever unban the scum, he needs to ban more and more and MORE, incorrect spellings and the poster should be banned, bad paragraphs and punctuation, ban them....

His logic works different: "The better your advice the more I have to ban you for giving that advice. I cannot leave somebody on my forum who might have better advice than me.!"  :'(
 

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2009, 08:01:21 PM »
SR hasn't heeded any warnings already three years ago that this moment will come. A good admin thinks about what he can do in that case from the beginning and all the time. The awareness/his adrenaline might help him to not only keep it from happening so fast but at the same time what to do if the time bomb explodes.

In my opinion was he dreaming all the time that he could either become the big hero of Korat or monetarize KF at a certain point and maybe make it his job and source of income. He must've thought it far too easy. ;)

Stuff like that only pays if you do an excellent job.
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JB

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2009, 11:50:59 PM »
I somehow doubt that he is interested in making money out of KF. From what I hear he is loaded and doesn't need any extra income.
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2009, 05:46:48 AM »
I somehow doubt that he is interested in making money out of KF. From what I hear he is loaded and doesn't need any extra income.

I would agree with the other option though: social and/or political ambitions. But he definitely failed in that respect.
 

airbag

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Re: Future of KoratFarang, GrumpyExpat, and KoratFart?
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2009, 10:13:45 AM »
Took quite long to find out, whatever he was trying to achieve:

'I can't get no...'  ;D Experiment failed! :o
 

 



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