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Uncle Bill

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #60 on: April 23, 2009, 12:58:06 PM »








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Karl

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #61 on: April 23, 2009, 09:16:38 PM »
OOps, I  have praised him too early!

What could have been the reason for that? That I didn't call him a quarter after he called me a half? Was that the reaction for me being polite and not insult him back?
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #62 on: April 23, 2009, 09:42:00 PM »
I feel with you, Karl! You get insulted, and on top of that they'll call you the bad guy and ban you - as if you really had wanted to stay there. ;D

But I like the title of that thread: "Thank you". Wasn't that already an omen?
 

Korat Optical

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #63 on: April 23, 2009, 11:31:41 PM »
Karl, it looked to me like you were trying to get banned, so I guess you're happy now.
 

Sportrider

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #64 on: April 24, 2009, 12:06:53 AM »
Jeez, the capacity for playground behaviour from some quarters seems boundless.

Maybe you've got a grudge against me? Maybe against the KF board?  I really don't care.  I've got better things to do with my time.  I joined this board in good faith, to assist inter-board communication, but it's just thrown back in my face.

What are you trying to prove - you're such a smart guy?  Fine!  You've got so many friends and are Korat's most popular person?  Fine!  Whatever.  I've got better things to be doing with my time.  No hidden feelings of inadequacy on my side.

How people want to waste their time is up them.  Personally I don't have the time for playing games and point scoring.  Joining KF with a fictitious ID, posting provocatively, then complaining and acting indignant when you get the result you expect is petty and immatureGrow up and get a life.  Use your talents for something that adds value somewhere.

If the content and culture of KF doesn't suit you - you don't have to like it - just stay the f*** away and do your own thing.  I had the decency to drop by here in a friendly way.  But after this episode I won't be returning in future and I'll leave you in peace.  I'd appreciate it if you do the same.

I'm sure this post will give you plenty of material to gossip-monger about.  The number one activity for people with empty lives.  Go right ahead.

Sportrider




 

Karl

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #65 on: April 24, 2009, 08:51:05 AM »
Joining KF with a fictitious ID, posting provocatively,

Any post that gets an answer musty be a provocation - or it had not been posted. As simple as that!

But what is a "fictitious ID"? Wasn't it a great british author who said like "That which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet"?

Karl, it looked to me like you were trying to get banned, so I guess you're happy now.

It ain't difficult at all; no insulting on your side necessary, the admin does it for you!  ;D

Good to have that screen-shot now. It pictures the expectations you should have entering there.

But honestly, I don't think he banned me for anything I posted but rather to keep ajaxied from posting more like "There are lots of fornicators on this board."  ;D

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Use your talents for something that adds value somewhere.

Isn't that what I have been doing? ;D Whose interpretation of value are we talking about?
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #66 on: April 24, 2009, 09:21:58 AM »
Jeez, ...

Sportrider

Thanks for your contribution, SR! I would like to point out that SR has not been banned from using this forum; he must have deleted his account himself.
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Karl

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #67 on: April 24, 2009, 10:10:11 AM »
I would like to point out that SR has not been banned from using this forum; he must have deleted his account himself.

That helps a little to find out, who got banned from a board and who left by himself: people not posting anymore but their avatar and a member status still shown have most likely been banned, while names shown as guests only might have deleted their accounts themselves. How confusing that on this board you can posts as a guest. Could lead to the misinterpretation that they posted and deleted their accounts. Should rather show who got banned like on some forums than leave this up to the speculation of readers. Because I feel let down by my friend I sent a PM to he never answers, if I didn't know somehow that he cannot get my PM and answer because he got banned by the admin. >:(
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #68 on: April 24, 2009, 11:34:32 AM »
Two important isssues of the above discussion seem to be

  • The use of nicks on forums
and
  • Indication of banned members on forums

Can we discuss these in topics separate from this? I think they're very important for our Korat communication system and shouldn't get lost in this topic here. Thank you!
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sicho

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #69 on: April 24, 2009, 11:42:30 AM »
Jeez, the capacity for playground behaviour from some quarters seems boundless.

Maybe you've got a grudge against me? Maybe against the KF board?  I really don't care.  I've got better things to do with my time.  I joined this board in good faith, to assist inter-board communication, but it's just thrown back in my face.

What are you trying to prove - you're such a smart guy?  Fine!  You've got so many friends and are Korat's most popular person?  Fine!  Whatever[/i].  I've got better things to be doing with my time.  No hidden feelings of inadequacy on my side.

How people want to waste their time is up them.  Personally I don't have the time for playing games and point scoring.  Joining KF with a fictitious ID, posting provocatively, then complaining and acting indignant when you get the result you expect is petty and immatureGrow up and get a life.  Use your talents for something that adds value somewhere.

If the content and culture of KF doesn't suit you - you don't have to like it - just stay the f*** away and do your own thing.  I had the decency to drop by here in a friendly way.  But after this episode I won't be returning in future and I'll leave you in peace.  I'd appreciate it if you do the same.

I'm sure this post will give you plenty of material to gossip-monger about.  The number one activity for people with empty lives.  Go right ahead.

Sportrider


I don't think that this is the real Sportrider writing! The style and tone just isn't him. I've highlighted in bold some bits that seem out of synch with the way he's written before. Whoever wrote this seems a bit arrogant and paranoid - more like someone else I've met. The bad language with asterisks and the nasty tone doesn't seem like him either.

Is someone using his nick here to make him look bad?
 

Spider

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2009, 12:13:53 PM »
I think it's clear that it was the real SR posting and not some fictitious poster!

If you look at all the posts SR wrote in this thread you'll see that those posts also have Guest underneath them. Also, SR is no longer in the list of members. I also saw SR as a member logged in just prior to his last post, and 'I've got better things to be doing with my time' and 'empty lives' are both classic SR. Have a look at some of his posts to find examples, including his post on this board (March 12, 2009, 09:24 in this thread).
 

Karl

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2009, 12:20:01 PM »
You've got so many friends...?

That's a really good point: having friends, making friends - how can I find friends, people with similar attitudes and lifestyle?

Yes, on forums, if those are free enough for open discussion. But if the only forums are streamlined by a hard hand, what can I do? Yes, open my own blog or forum or whatever where I can apply just all those features I was missing at the other "quarter". (Charming how he attempts himself at what he's condemning ;D)

Can I be blamed for writing my critique at a "quarter" where I am allowed to about a  "quarter" where I am not allowed to contribute honestly and openly but only echo the admin's voice? Am I not allowed to be constructive there? Is it therefore destructive, if I post my constructive critique at another corner of the web?

 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2009, 12:43:51 PM »
I don't think that this is the real Sportrider writing! The style and tone just isn't him. I've highlighted in bold some bits that seem out of synch with the way he's written before. Whoever wrote this seems a bit arrogant and paranoid - more like someone else I've met. The bad language with asterisks and the nasty tone doesn't seem like him either.

Is someone using his nick here to make him look bad?

I think it's clear that it was the real SR posting and not some fictitious poster!

If you look at all the posts SR wrote in this thread you'll see that those posts also have Guest underneath them. Also, SR is no longer in the list of members. I also saw SR as a member logged in just prior to his last post, and 'I've got better things to be doing with my time' and 'empty lives' are both classic SR. Have a look at some of his posts to find examples, including his post on this board (March 12, 2009, 09:24 in this thread).

That is a valid point, sicho!

It could have been someone else posting after he himself deleted his account. The deletion of his account required his password. According to my understanding of the weblog it was deleted by himself.

The last post came from a different IP than his previous posts but the same provider.

So far I would not doubt that the posts were made by the same person. I don't know whether there is any indication in the weblog whether the  post in question was made logged in and the account deleted then or the account deleted first and the post made by another customer of the same ISP as the first posts.
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Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2009, 01:43:19 PM »
I'd say he prove that it is impossible to take the hand of a guy who you think you treated unfairly before. I'm not so sure about Karl ever having been member of KF before. And you saw the speculations who all it might have been. A former member who (might have) got banned unjustly is a great threat indeed. Better shot him when he returns.  ;D

Best advice: don't ban at all and don't burn witches! ;)
 

Rattlesnake

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2009, 03:26:49 PM »
Really shocked about his post - more than about his reaction on his board! Looks to me like he's to pity. Perhaps he should take some days off.

Any idea where he is now - back in London?

cheers

rattlesnake
 

The Maller

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #75 on: April 24, 2009, 05:11:16 PM »
Ban somebody from your community, because you think he couldn't blend in or play a positive role just shows that you find yourself unfit of convincing him that your community isn't the 'quarter' for him. Why not let your community take care of him, appoint some mods with the power to settle. I think that is what 'mods' normally do: moderate. If you think you can't trust anybody in your community.....
 

Offline Fartie

Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2009, 06:11:54 PM »
I don't think that this is the real Sportrider writing! The style and tone just isn't him. I've highlighted in bold some bits that seem out of synch with the way he's written before. Whoever wrote this seems a bit arrogant and paranoid - more like someone else I've met. The bad language with asterisks and the nasty tone doesn't seem like him either.

Is someone using his nick here to make him look bad?

No, sicho, nobody is using his nick here to make him look bad. He posted this himself. But it appears to me that he only co-authored it. And honestly, I also don't think he banned Karl. Appears to me like he didn't know of that banning until he was told. So who did? Does the board have anybody with these permissions - officially? Didn't the board have a trusted moderator who deleted his own account not long ago?  ;)

I wonder who that really dynamic guy is who is posting so much lately. I better don't mention his name here.  :D
Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem!
 

Uncle Bill

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2009, 06:50:43 PM »
Didn't the board have a trusted moderator who deleted his own account not long ago?  ;)

I wonder who that really dynamic guy is who is posting so much lately. I better don't mention his name here.  :D

I can see who you're pointing at. Isn't that guy famous for locking threads to avoid discussions about the promotion of his website? I think he even got a website that's locked for you unless you register with an email account not at hotmail.com? ;D
 

Cataracts

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2009, 06:52:26 PM »
No, sicho, nobody is using his nick here to make him look bad. He posted this himself. But it appears to me that he only co-authored it. And honestly, I also don't think he banned Karl. Appears to me like he didn't know of that banning until he was told. So who did? Does the board have anybody with these permissions - officially? Didn't the board have a trusted moderator who deleted his own account not long ago?  ;)

Fartie, what is SR's post makes you think:

he only co-authored it?
he didn't know of that banning until he was told?
 

Offline Fartie

Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #79 on: April 25, 2009, 07:48:51 AM »
No, sicho, nobody is using his nick here to make him look bad. He posted this himself. But it appears to me that he only co-authored it. And honestly, I also don't think he banned Karl. Appears to me like he didn't know of that banning until he was told. So who did? Does the board have anybody with these permissions - officially? Didn't the board have a trusted moderator who deleted his own account not long ago?  ;)

Fartie, what is SR's post makes you think:

he only co-authored it?
he didn't know of that banning until he was told?

There are a few things not fitting together:

Why did he come here and post at all? Does he appreciate Koratfart.co.cc so much that he’s monitoring it all the time? Or could he have been alerted to new posts in this thread about his own forum by the mail system of this board? He could then have tried to find out on his own board what happened, finding the evidence already deleted. So he asks for a report of that person he secretly transferred the power to. The report is sent to him by email. In his desperation not being able to defend the action done in his name he chose attack and made that post, using mainly the words he was sent by his ‘lieutenant’.

As sicho already pointed out this mash of British and American English is not the vocabulary he normally uses. Neither is the style. In all those years I have never seen him attacking before he was even put in defense.  Isn’t attack the best defense when you find out that somebody screwed up in your name but you don’t know exactly what happened?

What I saw happening on his board was no troll attack, it was a harmless chat of two people. The banning made no sense at all.  How could he ever defend the things that happened on his board in his name? Admit that lots of things there lately done in his name weren’t done by him? So he deleted his account here. Like a certain other person with a high post count did on his board around the time that new dynamic member with identical style signed up.
Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem!
 

sicho

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #80 on: April 25, 2009, 09:58:42 AM »
I've suspected for a while that someone is monitoring other forums and reporting content to Sportrider and some other people. The arrogance and paranoia in his ranting post reminded me of another individual. Perhaps he got an email from someone and just modified the content before posting.

Whatever the case, he came here to commit 'sins' that result in banning on his own forum. Not nice and a bit hypocritical.
 

Robin

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #81 on: April 26, 2009, 12:40:15 AM »
Here’s my take on the situation. SR came here because of what he saw written on KF.

One poster tried to work out who Karl is. In one of Karl’s later posts Karl suggested posters look at other Korat based forums to work it out. The first poster then posted a guess that Karl is Mitrapap Monkey. Seeing Mitrapap Monkey’s name would remind SR of Mitrapap Monkey’s email to SR and alert SR to this board.

The mix of British and American English is the language SR normally uses. He was born in Britain but lived for many years in the US. And the style is also typical of SR – the style of a man who has a high opinion of himself and has no time for people who don’t toe his line. Look through his posts on KF and you’ll find plenty of evidence, including references to child-like behavior and petty point scoring. These threads are good places to start.

http://koratfarang.com/board/index.php/topic,3914.msg34212.html#msg34212

http://koratfarang.com/board/index.php/topic,3914.msg34811/topicseen.html#msg34811

I really can't be bothered with this”- http://koratfarang.com/board/index.php/topic,4492.15.html

One of the problems of people who have a high opinion of themselves (and I sadly must count myself in this group of flawed individuals) is that we forget to Test Understanding and we forget to challenge our own assumptions before going into bat.  This is a learned failing - and very often a characteristic of highly intelligent people who actually *are* right most of the time, but appear idiotically arrogant when they're not.”
http://koratfarang.com/board/index.php/topic,4492.30.html
 

sicho

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #82 on: April 26, 2009, 07:53:09 AM »
Interesting research, Robin. Perhaps he is arrogant after all and no-one stole his nick.
 

Offline Fartie

Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #83 on: April 26, 2009, 09:06:55 AM »
Interesting research, Robin. Perhaps he is arrogant after all and no-one stole his nick.

Indeed!  ;D

Then I see little chance for KF regaining much status and use in Korat.

Not only did us expats from free countries come here as free persons the Thai spirit will also keep us from surrendering to somebody acting like him. Maybe he didn't stay here long enough to see that a community cannot be shaped from the top, that it may be guided but cannot be forced. Recent developments in Thailand are proof.

The problem we discussed about on tv - communication among expats and forming a real community called Korat Expats Club - and tried to solve by joining and contributing to KF has not been helped much by KF itself due to the personality of its admin. But indirectly KF admin's failure has helpend to open other working boards. It's a long and winding road!

Quidquid agis, prudenter agas et respice finem!
 

sicho

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #84 on: April 26, 2009, 10:12:20 AM »
It's a pity because KF helped to bring together a good number of farang in Korat. It was a reasonably tolerant forum and even blatant trolls were given a fair crack of the whip. It changed very suddenly. It's difficult to know now what the rules are. Some seemingly innocuous comments have been deleted and the members banned. Yet, today, there is one member getting away with an outrageous attack on another. No consistency.

Still, as Fartie says, all this has opened the door to other boards. The admin of some is more open about posts and yet there is less trolling and baiting on them than on KF. Interesting.
 

Lung Jim

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #85 on: April 26, 2009, 12:29:52 PM »
It was a reasonably tolerant forum and even blatant trolls were given a fair crack of the whip.

Ain't that just the challange? ;D

Why "give 'blatant trolls' the whip"?

A lot of the so-called troll attacks were contributions from people with good points that could be discussed reasonably - and usually do discussed constructively on other boards. Why not on KF?

Usually constructive discussions get started with either a question or a provocation. Discuss them reasonably or just ignore them, let 'blatant trolls' be 'blatant trolls'. You don't need to do anything to help that and maybe put yourself into the position of exposing yourself. ::)
 

sicho

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #86 on: April 26, 2009, 02:03:45 PM »
That's what I meant, Lung Jim. Everyone was given a fair chance to post and show his intentions. Now, there are swift deletions and bannings for no good reason - except for today, you may have noticed.
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #87 on: April 26, 2009, 04:42:53 PM »
When daddy thinks he is needed to protect his kids from the other kids in the neighborhood his kids won't grow up and into a community with their own responsibilities, they'll remain in kindergarden all their lives.  8)
 

Amazing

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #88 on: April 27, 2009, 12:29:58 AM »
Three more people banned from KF. Isn't this a blast. :o
 

Uncle Bill

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Re: Banned from TV and KF again?
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2009, 07:43:10 AM »
Three more people banned from KF. Isn't this a blast. :o

Didn't follow. Must be a revolution.  ;D
 

 



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