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Mitraparp Monkey

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"Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« on: December 25, 2009, 12:16:34 PM »
Almost two months ago somebody posted on TV to find out about the business prospects of a shop that specialises in western foods. The discussion ran mainly around the already available assortment of foreign foods in Korat. The demand was mentioned only by the notion the farang community had increased but most would live on limited pension funds.

But the topic got lively when one posters stated "If the OP cares to look on koratfarang.com he will find a few selling farang food stuff around, or in, Korat." ;D

Another kept on: As suggested read koratfarang.com and you will get a good idea of what goes on in the farang comminity in Korat."

A poster who seemed to have actual experience with business in an expat community contributed with the lessons he had learned and a closer analysis on demand and the expat population structure in Korat.

Now it became really interesting when one 'challenged' "Foggy Bottom you're having a laugh. Have you ever been to Korat ? I know you'll say you live 10 km outside but your whole post is wrong. I challenge you to go on koratfarang.com and write the same post. Good luck, you'll need it."

Reply on that was: "I visited the forum you mentioned, and I note the tone of your offer - that marries with the public threads there, which seem to have a high frequency, that triumph the hounding out, or banning, of dissenting voices. The whole image I get of that board is that if you're not one of the in-crowd, the club, one-of-us, then you're not welcome. That's my perception of it and you're welcome to disagree with that, if you do, at least take a moment to step back and think about why I would have a perception such as that, if all I have ever done is to visit and read that board without joining as a member. What sort of marketing image and "community reputation" is it attracting?

I feel sorry for the site owner, I too own and run several similar sites for various niche groups who are based in Europe and North America (including sites that use the same site software as koratfarang, but mine have been kept up to date, and are not using the version he's using (v1.1.3 when I checked), which is full of security holes). I know how hard it is to run fora, and to try to avoid the cliques and defensive-wall culture that builds up around them. He has an even tougher job than me - he's running one forum for expats, whereas I run several for business and media people - I'd far rather moderate my multiple member-lists and sites, than one expat forum, it's a lot less work, and easier."

To the topic itself he went on:"Returning to the point of your post - whereas in other cities, the farang population is obvious and have highly visible social infrastructures, Khorat feels far more like it is a place that people come to hide-away and not be seen. There is no obvious social hub for farangs, nor does there seem to be any organising of the foreign community into shared interest groups (e.g. a correspondents or writers club meeting periodically (in-trade bad pun)). Despite the Internet, it is very difficult to find information about where farangs meet-up in Khorat to pass a few hours in the company of others, on which days at at what times. All of that is, I think, a reflection (or a symptom) of the lack of a foreign-language (e.g. English) print publication to act as a community or social focal point. If your allusion to a large foreign population is true, then Khorat would be the exception to the rule that expat-heavy towns, worldwide, have their own English and other language magazines and newspapers." 

On KF a comment was posted by a poster seen by some as an alias of its admin: Comment by RS2000 on KF:

"I read Foggy Bottom's post on TV and I have to agree with Jimbo's assessment. Foggy Bottom is either full of... what's that word? .. I forget. Never mind. Anyway, where was I? Ah, yes, Foggy Bottom must have foggy eyes too. According to him only a small number of farangs live in the city? There must be two Korat cities in Thailand. He has only once met a farang in the Korat Immigration office! Lucky man! No queue! For me, only once have I not met a farang in immigration and that was because I was there before the office officially opened. He reckons that cheese here requires a second mortgage if you want a worthwhile chunk to grate over your cauliflowers. Oops. Try the Mall freshmart. Nice tasty (mature) cheese for 160 baht. And he hardly meets a farang when shopping. I guess he must shop in his almost farang-free local village, a massive 10km outside the city.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to one and all, including Foggy Bottom. I hope your eyesight improves in the New Year."

Now what is wrong with the expats in Korat? Why do some claim to speak for all the others and "communicate that way" with people who are discussing politely and constructively to points they were challenged to? Or was the member posting on KF just trying to support foggy bottom's comment on KF and some expats in Korat with facts?  and where are KF's moderators? Not daring to remove... ;)
 

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2009, 01:40:50 PM »
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"Returning to the point of your post - whereas in other cities, the farang population is obvious and have highly visible social infrastructures, Khorat feels far more like it is a place that people come to hide-away and not be seen. There is no obvious social hub for farangs, nor does there seem to be any organising of the foreign community into shared interest groups (e.g. a correspondents or writers club meeting periodically (in-trade bad pun)). Despite the Internet, it is very difficult to find information about where farangs meet-up in Khorat to pass a few hours in the company of others, on which days at at what times. All of that is, I think, a reflection (or a symptom) of the lack of a foreign-language (e.g. English) print publication to act as a community or social focal point. If your allusion to a large foreign population is true, then Khorat would be the exception to the rule that expat-heavy towns, worldwide, have their own English and other language magazines and newspapers." 

that's a very good point! But Korat cannot be compared to other foreign communities anywhere else. Because the foreigners don't come here for the same reasons as anywhere else. Foreigners come to Korat for the women, for marriage! Married life changes social life drastically. The social contacts cannot be between the foreigners only, they need to be between the foreigner-Thai couples. And there the public life, the life outside of privacy gets a little complicated...

It's not that there weren't any social life, but it's spread out, there are no centers. Therefore it isn't visible as much as in other cities with expat communities. Expat life outside of married life has the obstacle of the well known jealousy of Thai women.

It's true that not many expats can be seen in Korat because they're usually not alone. And they don't have time to stop and chat with another expat on their shopping tours... ;)

But I disagree about the need for printed media. We had the Koratpost before. Insufficient demand! Anyway internet is a lot more convenient, more uptodate, distribution is easier, and especially it's eco-friendly.

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2009, 03:37:20 PM »
Reply on that was: "I visited the forum you mentioned, and I note the tone of your offer - that marries with the public threads there, which seem to have a high frequency, that triumph the hounding out, or banning, of dissenting voices. The whole image I get of that board is that if you're not one of the in-crowd, the club, one-of-us, then you're not welcome. That's my perception of it and you're welcome to disagree with that, if you do, at least take a moment to step back and think about why I would have a perception such as that, if all I have ever done is to visit and read that board without joining as a member. What sort of marketing image and "community reputation" is it attracting?


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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2009, 04:15:03 PM »
Johnnie
I think expats in Khorat get on well and meet often. There are many places to meet in the daytime and at night. Some places have mainly farang customers and some mostly Thai but there is a big choice of places to meet. As you say, there is no real center but a big area that is spread around. You can meet other farang in person or from internet forums and then in person. Up to you if you meet again.  Mitraparp Monkey, it's clear to me that RS200 is an alias of admin over there. The slight change in name lettering doesn't fool anyone. To everyone in this great city and beyond, Happy Christmas to you all


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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2009, 07:45:34 PM »
I have found that when I go to Korat it is very easy to stop and chat with other expats, yes I married a Thai lady and love her to bits, but I also need to have some contact and conversation with other expats and have never had my wife say we don’t have time, we make time because if I am happy then so is my wife, Yes down Pattaya you can chat at any bar with many people but it is different when you are trying to live here not just holiday,
Merry Xmas to all expats in Thailand and there families
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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2009, 09:13:33 PM »
Hi Chris, Merry Christmas to you and your wife, too!

Social contacts? The longer you stay around here, the more you'll get.  :D

Computer communication is still fairly new since not all expats living in the ricefield villages have internet yet. But they're getting more and more with a connection. But there are less and less posting on the internet. They send an email or a PM or even talk and view each other via skype or a messenger. The forums are only a place to look and meet and get to know each other. You don't need to go and hope to meet somebody; you can make an appointment for a meeting. No need looking on the street or in a bar for a chance. 

I hear the same people complaining about foreigners not integrating and not staying  close to each other either. What now? I integrate, go to places with mainly Thais, still meeting other foreigners also living integrated. Why should I be staying close to foreigners only or mainly? My Thai friends are as dear to me as my international friends.!

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2009, 08:54:58 AM »
Hi, I followed that thread on tv too. The business prospects of a farang food deli based on farang customers? Very low, because our Thai hosts not only understood by now that there is money to make in supplying the guests with what they desire. Some middle or upper class Thais also learned to appreciate foreign specialties on their travels. By taking these foreign specialties into their assortments Thai shops don't supply the farangs only. Would Thais on the search for foreign specialties care to make their way to a farang shop with all the farang culture around it? I think not! We have seen it from the restaurants. Hardly any Thai makes way on his own to a farang-operated restaurant. But they can eat the western food at Thai restaurants in Korat. Compare that to the clientele of Thai restaurants in the West: it's just vice versa.

To succeed with a deli of foreign food one needed to target the Thais at least the same way as the farangs but try to avoid building up pure farang culture around the shop. That might drive the Thais away. ;)

Happy New Year to all fellow expats in Korat and around Isaan!
 

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 06:35:09 AM »
Four years ago we had a discussion on TV about forming a Korat Expats Club. Following are some excerpts showing attitudes towards communal life. You might make your own assessment whether anything, and if, what has changed and whether it became better or worse. ;)

"I have found the Korat expat community a little less friendly than I would like but we all have . . . very important things to do. The problem with this is (that I see) that there are a lot of farangs in Korat and one would be hard pressed to get even a smile or a nod in passing. That's all fine, I always wish them the best." (post # 4)

"Come on, make me welcome, I'm neither a teacher nor an alcoholic, but I'm not a bad sort." (post # 12)

"I for one bumped into a farang in Phi Mai who I wouldn't want to piss on if he was on fire." (post # 32)

"Lots of individuals! That's good but this is about forming a club/group. A certain amount of conformity is necessary for it to work. Can the 'extremists' be a little more tolerant?" (post # 47)

"There is another guy frequently visiting Coffee World and he is A .... (nationality) So if you would ask him if he is ... (nickname), he will probably answer yes. I spoke to him several times but suddenly he told me he like to stay alone??!! Now we sit separately. Ok with me. His english is poor." (post # 58.)

"Now I've not spend as much time here as these other guys but what I've noticed is that many farangs come here because they don't want to interact like in other parts of Thailand. For example if for instance I was to take a walk around eithe Mall, Tesco or Big C the chances that if there is another farang there our paths will not cross, eye contact will not be made and chit chat will certainly not be exchanged. I have seen with my own eyes a farang with family in tow creeping around the isles in Tesco Lotus just to avoid crossing paths. Now don't get me wrong. Each to their own,but it happens everywhere . . . now it's not the case that I am going up to a stranger and blurt out my whole life story and bore anyone to death, but this does happen. I have seen a small gathering of German speaking guys who who do meet in the Mall but the chances are if I will walk past they will either stare as if they want to kill me or turn their backs.
The communication problem is real. As a newbie I feel awkward approaching other farangs I meet in Korat town.If I meet one in the country the scene changes and one to one seems to break the ice. I don't want or need to know their business but be friendly and share information. I know the different language problem can be an embarrassment too. . . . Language does keep us all apart even farang from Thai." (POST # 63)

Source: http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=61732
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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 08:24:52 AM »
Foggy bottom takes himself a little too seriously, turning himself into a joke as a result. A lot like a certain gramatically obsessed underliner on the other channel. Maybe it's what he does for fun.

Here's the funniest part of the Bottom's post. For Sinbin's own sake I hope he took a raincheck on that beer. Save him a few hours of listening to another expat expert trying to put everyone to sleep.

Sinbin - you'll have noticed I deliberately used the spelling Khorat ?

If you don't understand why, then might I humbly suggest that you do the research, burn the midnight oil performing the labour, and attain the vaulted ranks of those of us who are published authors of serious tomes concerning Thai and South East Asian history. If you are already in that group, then let's get together for a beer, compare archives, and debate this. Otherwise, you have your opinion, and I have mine, and it should be left (silently) at that.
 

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 10:32:37 AM »
Arrogance was certainly the common denominator on both sides and by all involved. Shouldn't complain about getting even. The how and how (im)polite is the point.
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 12:12:47 PM »
to challenge = to call to engage in a contest, fight, or competition, to invite with defiance; dare

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I challenge you to go on koratfarang.com and write the same post. Good luck, you'll need it.

If I didn't think it plain stupid, I'd say it's  arrogance that cannot be surpassed.  ;D
 

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2011, 06:53:25 PM »
The "sharpness" seems to have gone with the days counting since the admin posted last:

I have decided I am ready to sell KF.

I am not in a desperate hurry, but would like to get it done in the next few weeks.

Reasonable offers considered.

Cheers
sr


...and they haven't heard of him since.
 

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Re: "Expats in Khorat" (Topic on TV and KF)
« Reply #12 on: May 12, 2011, 02:19:49 PM »
The "sharpness" seems to have gone with the days counting since the admin posted last:

I have decided I am ready to sell KF.

I am not in a desperate hurry, but would like to get it done in the next few weeks.

Reasonable offers considered.

Cheers
sr


...and they haven't heard of him since.

Is it true there will be an auction for it at Save One?
 

 



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