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Offline Johnnie F.

Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« on: August 26, 2010, 11:40:51 AM »
COMPLAINT

Boy says teacher hit him with whiteboard eraser

NAKHON RATCHASIMA : A mother has lodged a complaint against a teacher at a private school in Muang district accused of throwing a whiteboard eraser at her son, hurting his eye.

Suriyarak R., 14, of Phophan Witthaya School, claims his teacher, Piyakittra W., threw an eraser at students who refused to follow her orders in class.

He said he was hit during class last Thursday.

The Mathayom 3 (Grade 9) student said Ms Piyakittra had taught at the school for about one month.

Suriyarak admitted he was playing up in class. Ms Piyakittra told him to stop playing and he was about to sit down when the teacher threw the eraser at him.

The eraser caught him in the eye, causing it to bleed. Ms Piyakittra took him to a doctor.

The doctor gave the boy some painkillers and eye drops. He advised Suriyarak to stay home from school for a week to give the wound time to heal.

Isaree R., the boy's mother, said the school called her on the day he was hit by the eraser to claim her son had fallen and injured himself.

Ms Isaree said the teacher refused to pay the boy's medical bill.

She said the bill, including future visits to the doctor and transport expenses, could reach 100,000 baht.

She has complained to police and demanded that the teacher take full responsibility for the medical bills.

Ms Isaree said Ms Piyakittra told her at the police station that she could pay only 6,000 baht. She said the mother must sue her if she wanted more.

The school declined comment.

The deputy director of the Nakhon Ratchasima Education Area 1 Office, Chusak Mansaket, said yesterday his office had not yet received a report from the school or a complaint from the student's parents.

His office would send staff to the school to find out what happened.

If the teacher threw the eraser as accused, the school would punish her, Mr Chusak said.

Mr Chusak insisted teachers could punish students for errant behaviour only by issuing warnings, levying demerit points or ordering them to stay after class.

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2010, 12:03:44 PM »
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She said the bill, including future visits to the doctor and transport expenses, could reach 100,000 baht.
Must be one hell of an injury, and only a week off school.....
 

Offline Johnnie F.

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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2010, 12:19:45 PM »
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She said the bill, including future visits to the doctor and transport expenses, could reach 100,000 baht.

Maybe she already included her estimate of the compensation for being disfigured by a scar in his face a good lawyer could get him. Or her estimate of the costs of cosmetic operations to conceal that scar.
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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2010, 07:34:06 AM »
ABUSE

Inquiry finds against eraser-hurling teacher

NAKHON RATCHASIMA : An inquiry has found a school teacher accused of physically assaulting a 14-year-old student was in the wrong, a senior education official says.

Chusak Mansaket, deputy director of Nakhon Ratchasima's Education Zone1, said yesterday an internal investigation carried out at Phophan Witthaya School in Muang district had found against Piyakittra Wiriyayuenyong.

Ms Piyakittra is accused of throwing a whiteboard eraser at Suriyarak R., 14, in class. The object caught Suriyarak, a Mathayom 3 (Grade 9) student, in the eye and caused bleeding.

Mr Chusak said Ms Piyakittra had admitted to throwing the eraser at the boy but said that she did not intend to harm him.

Mr Chusak, who acted as a mediator between the school and the parents of the boy, said the school had two weeks to submit a full report along with what it intended to do with the teacher.

He said education authorities could not take action against the teacher. All they could do was to see to it that the school, which is privately run, complied with ministerial regulations.

Two hours of talks between the school, the teacher and the boy's parents yesterday failed to settle the dispute.

Ms Piyakittra apologised to the parents for the incident and offered to foot his medical bills.

The parents rejected her offer and said they wanted to wait first for a full medical report on their son's condition.

The boy's mother, Isaree R., said: "The person who did this should take full responsibility and face up to the consequences."

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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2010, 07:41:19 AM »
The school or its liability insurance would have to cover all damages and settle all claims directly IMO. Getting a reimbursement from the teacher and to what amount or not at all is up to them. The boy's mother seems to be set getting it directly from the teacher. Driven by thoughts of revenge?
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« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2010, 08:57:38 AM »
The principle that teachers shouldn't be violent to pupils is reasonable and it should be a criminal matter as well as grounds for civil action. Whether the victim seeks damages from the school, the teacher or both, I would expect that any liability insurance would apply to all of them if it cover the event at all. However, liability insurance usually covers accidental or negligent acts, not deliberate violence. Perhaps Thai insurers don't make a distinction.

There was a teacher at my school, many years ago, who threw a blackboard eraser at a boy at the very back of the class and hit him on the head. It was, in those days, not something that you would consider reporting. Other teachers were occasionally violent and so were many parents. So, times have changed for the better in at least the sense that the violence that still takes place is illegal and reports of it will usually be acted upon. In the UK, the weakness remains that the social service employees, busy harassing innocent parents, all too often fail to deal with serious cases and children die as a result.

The boy in Thailand might have been blinded. I hope that the teacher suffers in some way for her actions. Being sacked and not allowed to work with children in the future would seem to be appropriate.
 

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« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2010, 10:03:39 AM »
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The boy in Thailand might have been blinded. I hope that the teacher suffers in some way for her actions. Being sacked and not allowed to work with children in the future would seem to be appropriate.
Saf, I hope you never ever get in a position where you can decide peoples futures, you are so wrong on so many levels and you really don't realise it.
 

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« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2010, 12:22:31 PM »
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The boy in Thailand might have been blinded. I hope that the teacher suffers in some way for her actions. Being sacked and not allowed to work with children in the future would seem to be appropriate.
Saf, I hope you never ever get in a position where you can decide peoples futures, you are so wrong on so many levels and you really don't realise it.

Are you advocating violence to children? Please expalin your comment.
 

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« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2010, 01:15:23 PM »
You only need to look at crime levels in the UK and drug levels in Thailand to realise that sometimes a good whacking will sort a kid out.
 

sicho

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« Reply #9 on: August 27, 2010, 01:37:54 PM »
You only need to look at crime levels in the UK and drug levels in Thailand to realise that sometimes a good whacking will sort a kid out.


Now I know you're joking. If not, show us some statistical research to prove that violence to children produces a positive result.

You might then pass on your findings to the UN:

http://www.unviolencestudy.org/?1d77ef88
 

sicho

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« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2010, 08:57:29 AM »
Well, it seems that the teacher is going to cop it:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/193112/inquiry-finds-against-eraser-hurling-teacher

Quite right too - she was violent and unprofessional. Claims that the boy was disruptive and it's tough being a teacher don't wash. I don't have what it takes to be an astro-physicist so I don't try to be one.

Inevitably, the uninformed and yahoo brigade have posted on BKK Post to support the teacher. There are always some who call for violence but probably none would do it. Keyboard thugs. Come on DD, where are you? I'm waiting for your data that shows my views on violence to children is wrong and that it does them good.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2010, 09:43:59 AM »
Suriyarak admitted he was playing up in class. Ms Piyakittra told him to stop playing and he was about to sit down when the teacher threw the eraser at him.

Mr Chusak said Ms Piyakittra had admitted to throwing the eraser at the boy but said that she did not intend to harm him.

The problem is that before talking about abuse - and not about "suspected abuse" only - there needed to be clear evidence of her intention to harm him. Lawyers would probably get the whole affair more to the point of an accident; that she was throwing the eraser at his desk to get his attention, but that her throw somehow missed or bounced off and actually hit the boy. Maybe she should have practiced getting students' attention by listening to Cheech & Chong's "Sister Mary Elephant" over and over: "Class...class...class...shut up!!!"
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sicho

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2010, 10:28:30 AM »
Johnny, throwing missiles around a classroom is dangerous. I would also suggest that she would not have done it in a room full of adults, Why do some people think that it's OK to do that to children but daren't do it to adults? That's why it's abuse rather than just violence. If she can't do the job properly she shouldn't do it at all.

Hey, DD, wake up. I'm still waiting for your statistics.
 

sicho

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2010, 11:35:02 AM »
DD, here's a report from Israel about school violence. As you know, Israel is a state well versed in the art of violence against the defenceless.

By the way, if you think that it's OK for adults to hit children do you also think that it's OK for children to hit adults? Or are you one of those people who abhors student violence against teachers but argues the other way when teachers abuse students?

http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/teacher-violence-against-students-shrouded-in-conspiracy-of-silence-1.264180
 

sicho

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #14 on: August 28, 2010, 11:44:22 AM »
Here's an image that might strike a note with some people:
 

sicho

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #15 on: August 28, 2010, 12:00:46 PM »
DD said 'a good whacking will sort a kid out'. Here's an example of children that were 'sorted out':

 

sicho

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« Reply #16 on: August 28, 2010, 12:18:00 PM »
Here's another one that got sorted out:

 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #17 on: August 28, 2010, 01:34:13 PM »
Johnny, throwing missiles around a classroom is dangerous. I would also suggest that she would not have done it in a room full of adults, Why do some people think that it's OK to do that to children but daren't do it to adults? That's why it's abuse rather than just violence. If she can't do the job properly she shouldn't do it at all.

Of course teachers shouldn't do that at all. You must have missed my advice to use the voice as "missile". Have you never listened to Cheech & Chong's "Sister Mary Elephant"? If not, I can borrow it to you on tape. When I was still teaching my Thai colleagues kept borrowing it a lot and said they envied "Sister May Elephant" for her voice.

If you ever witnessed the atmosphere in a Thai classroom you might understand why teaching there is limited to the mere repetition of facts etc. to get into the students heads. If you're trying to get feedback from the kids, feedback from their own thinking and emotions, you very easily loose control over the class. Now try to combine the good intentions of a young teacher wanting to rather develop the kids own thinking ability than just hammer prefabricated thinking processes into their heads with the discipline in an overcrowded classroom. Foreigners as teachers might be paid some more respect by the students for their different approach. But Thai teachers not putting the students on a very short leash and using those old pattern of teaching really have a hard time. I'd say most Thai teachers have a very high understanding of what went on in that classroom and the "method" she used. The whole system doesn't work the way we think it should.
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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2010, 02:33:50 PM »
Where's DD today? Is he busy watching his dvd's of Jimmy Edwards in Whacko? The old perv. Jimmy must have loved playing the headmaster at a boys' school.

 

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« Reply #19 on: August 28, 2010, 03:13:27 PM »
Johnny, throwing missiles around a classroom is dangerous. I would also suggest that she would not have done it in a room full of adults, Why do some people think that it's OK to do that to children but daren't do it to adults? That's why it's abuse rather than just violence.

Isn't it better to reserve the term "abuse" in the teacher-student relationship to those recent scandals in European boarding schools where students had to become their teachers' sex slaves? Not mentioning Catholic priests.:-[
 

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #20 on: August 28, 2010, 03:47:39 PM »
Johnny, throwing missiles around a classroom is dangerous. I would also suggest that she would not have done it in a room full of adults, Why do some people think that it's OK to do that to children but daren't do it to adults? That's why it's abuse rather than just violence.

Isn't it better to reserve the term "abuse" in the teacher-student relationship to those recent scandals in European boarding schools where students had to become their teachers' sex slaves? Not mentioning Catholic priests.:-[

Johnny, throwing missiles around a classroom is dangerous. I would also suggest that she would not have done it in a room full of adults, Why do some people think that it's OK to do that to children but daren't do it to adults? That's why it's abuse rather than just violence.

Isn't it better to reserve the term "abuse" in the teacher-student relationship to those recent scandals in European boarding schools where students had to become their teachers' sex slaves? Not mentioning Catholic priests.:-[

All violence by an adult towards a child is abuse. One blow by an adult can have similar results to other forms of abuse. MM, you quote what might be seen as extremes of abuse. If you have a scale you will have to draw a line somewhere between acceptable and not acceptable. Who is qualified to do that? No, all such violence is abuse and, whatever term you choose for it, unacceptable.

It's simple. Adults who cannot keep their abusive, violent hands off defenceless children should not be in authority over them.
 

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #21 on: August 28, 2010, 05:16:08 PM »
We don't know exactly what happened in that classroom, why the teacher lost control over herself. But for sure the Bangkok Post didn't protect the boy's rights by publishing a full-size portrait of him and using full names in the articles. In the forum I left out the picture and abbreviated the last names of mother, boy and teacher. Why don't the authorities step in to protect especially the child from that "publicity"? Because his mother went to the paper and not only alerted them to that? Maybe the whole thing turns out completely different in the end and the boy is shackled for the rest of his life with his full name and a portrait of him published. His mother didn't act right in my eyes:she should have protected her boy from that publicity. Maybe he'll not get seen by all as just the victim, but as the child that didn't follow the teacher's orders and tried to disturb in class. That could cost him job opportunities in later life. The internet doesn't forget and has search engines to find easily...especially when such a ruckus has been made and the article has been copied to lots of forums and blogs.

What's on the mother's agenda? A career as celebrity for her child? What kind of celebrity?
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« Reply #22 on: August 29, 2010, 03:16:17 AM »
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She said the bill, including future visits to the doctor and transport expenses, could reach 100,000 baht.
Is this thread about violence against children or money?
 

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« Reply #23 on: August 29, 2010, 03:20:40 AM »
And yes I am for children getting a smack for wrong doing. my girlfriend is a Thai teacher, are you a teacher saf? If your not a teacher saf and your obviously not Thai then you have no say in the matter, so maybe go masturbate somewhere else.
 

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« Reply #24 on: August 29, 2010, 06:14:48 AM »
Saf, I have never killed a child or parent of mine, maybe you are better off looking at your neighbours.
 

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #25 on: August 29, 2010, 09:22:29 AM »
And yes I am for children getting a smack for wrong doing. my girlfriend is a Thai teacher, are you a teacher saf? If your not a teacher saf and your obviously not Thai then you have no say in the matter, so maybe go masturbate somewhere else.

Funny how people who advocate violence against children often get sensitive when challenged on their views.

Why should not being a teacher preclude someone from having an opinion on the important subject of violence to children? You aren't a teacher or Thai either and you've had plenty to say. Are you a parent by any chance? Did you ever go to school?

I'm still waiting for you to post statistics that show violence against children is beneficial to them. You wrote the other day 'You only need to look at crime levels in the UK and drug levels in Thailand to realise that sometimes a good whacking will sort a kid out'. So, drop the insults, straighten your mature guy mask and put up some facts.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #26 on: August 31, 2010, 04:16:27 AM »
Thai art teacher caught on cellphone camera caning students for not cleaning their dormitory

BANGKOK — Secretly recorded cellphone footage has exposed a teacher at a Catholic boarding school in northeastern Thailand who whacked dozens of students on the buttocks with a cane wrapped with electrical wire.

Art teacher Somchai L. was fired after he was exposed hitting at least 40 students, according to Nongkran Prathumtri, an administrator at St. Mary's School in the northeastern province of Nakhon Ratchasima. She said the school would not defend him.

The footage of last week's canings was aired Monday on Thai television.

Parents of the students at St. Mary's have already filed complaints with police over the beatings, meted out as punishment to students who failed to clean their living quarters.

In the clip secretly recorded by one of the students, Somchai delivered baseball-like swings at their buttocks, leaving at least one of his targets in tears. Pictures of scarred buttocks were widely shown in the Thai media Monday.

"He must be responsible for his wrongdoing," Nongkran told TNN television news. "There will be no protection from the school."

Thailand's Education Ministry prohibits any inhuman or violent punishment and only allows the use of verbal warnings, probation and termination in the event that teachers have evidence to warrant punishing their students. However, the use of corporal punishment is not unusual.

Neither the school nor police handling the case could be directly contacted Monday.

Because Somchai was not a full-time accredited teacher, he cannot face any professional sanctions from the Teachers' Council of Thailand, reported the newspaper Matichon. Legal action remains up to the police.

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Re: Violent teachers in Korat schools?
« Reply #27 on: August 31, 2010, 09:24:32 AM »
What no video????

Cell Phone Video: Thai Teacher Hits Students?
 

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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2010, 09:32:50 AM »
1 whack each, are thai male students poofters or do they want to grow into men, this is world news, the world has gone crazy.

They aint crawling away from their punishment barely able to walk, they just got whacked once each, not crippled for life or had their feet chopped off.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2010, 12:44:35 PM »
Here a version without news commentator but the classmates giggling and commenting each stroke. Sounds to me like for them that's something quite normal.

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