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Nice user name.  Ahem...In front of the Chaopraya and opposite are a load of hookers.  It resembles drive through service if you know what I mean.  Go down the street around the corner where the park is (suan rak <--means love garden) and you'll find even more.  Would you kindly explain the "good service" you received at Ginza.   

Heh Heh.   Well look at it this way, Aaron, at least you don't have to shave your nuts.  Please gives us a report on your recon mission as it is always nice to hear the latest on Korat's red light district.  BTW, welcome to the forum 

Hi everyone. Continuing my journey into the unknown in downtown Korat.

My second night out:

Tried another massage parlour tonight – not sure of name, but part of the mix 2 complex (turn right at first set of traffic lights past Chaopraya Hotel and left at second set of traffic lights, follow road for maybe 2 km and on the left). Not as salubrious as Ginza, but cheap, I think, at 950bt. Selection of girls poor and not to my taste but one man’s meat…. There is the odd beauty to be had if you are patient. Picked a pretty 22 year old from Ubon who was right on the ball (so to speak!!) - soapy with nice tit rub, massage on request and the inevitable….. A very sexy girl in my opinion.

To round off a most satisfying evening drove to 2 Peaces (their spelling not mine).
To say I was astonished was an understatement. I had heard some reviews about high drinks prices and not many girls…whoa there, when was the last time the reviewers were there.
 Maybe 50 girls dancing in continuous shifts – 10 girls on stage at a time. No BS, I have never seen (Not even in Patters) so many seriously good looking girls in one place. Mammasan says they come from all over Issan to dance here. Lots of thai guys in there but no problem. Large Leo beer 120bt. Maybe lost in translation but mammasan told me a barfine was 3000bt!!! Later one of the girls told me only certain girls would go out. They will all give you their phone numbers presumably so that you can make arrangements after hours. What a pity, they don’t charge a 500bt barfine and employ girls who will go out - is the 2 peace management listening???
Be aware, action does not start here until 10.30-11.00.

All in all another good night out in Korat – I am proving that there is loads of action if you know where to look. Can’t wait for my next night out.

I want to try Pegasus? and  Pailin Square soon. Any  tips or advice on other suitable venues much appreciated

Happy mongering

Aaron

Thanks for the information Baby Farts, I am out of town for a week or so. I will pay Pegasus a visit when I return. I will post my observations.

You are so right about 2 peace but great if you want a bit of late night lurking.

Aaron

Continuing my journey through the Korat “red light scene”

Last night I visited The Pegasus Hotel (past Macro, turn right at next lights, you can’t miss it). Elevator up to 12 th. floor and hey presto, a bevy of pretty girls waiting to “pleasure you”.
The quality of girls was not quite up to Ginza standards but many pretty girls available. Slight confusion over prices. I was caught up in a conversation about discount of 200 bt before (or after!!) 9.00pm, which I didn’t quite understand. Anyway an orange juice, a large Leo and the girl of my choice came to 1850bt. I think prices for girls range from 1400-1900bt.
The room was OK – large and clean. The girl I picked was from Chang Mai - very white and very accommodating - a very nice girl.

I then sauntered over to 2 peace for my usual late night eye candy. Sorted out a liaison with a girl on her night off. Will she turn up – will she bollocks, but all part of the journey!!

Aaron

I've no idea. However, if you wander around town in the evening you will eventually stumble over a farang on his night out. Just ask, 'Where can I go to ogle disinterested young girls' and he'll probably point you in the right direction.

Thanks for reply Saf & Baby Farts
Just 4 Coyote bars in Korat... Hopefully i checking them all  : D
First stop was Osaka, because remember i have a stomach problems - eat a lot sushi at the small japanese-style shop on the coyote bar.

Whether you liked him or not the guy did tremendous work for charities.......RIP Sir Jim

Especially those for children? Perhaps it was a cover or he was required to do it in return for protection. No amount of charity work balances even one child abuse offence.

Sir Jimmy Saville defended paedophile pop star Gary Glitter saying 'he did nothing wrong' and calling child porn just 'dodgy films'
In a 2009 interview Savile appears to suggest Glitter was the real victim in the child porn scandal as he had only used the images for his own ‘gratification’ and had not tried to sell them on.

The forthcoming television documentary that alleges Sir Jimmy Saville sexually abused schoolgirls during the height of his fame is also set to show the late television personality defending paedophile pop star Gary Glitter.

Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Saville is set to show a interview in which Savile comes to the defence of Gary Glitter, who was convicted of downloading pornographic images of children as young as two in 1999. Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was later jailed for three years in 2006 for molesting two girls aged 11 and 12 in Vietnam and forced to sign the sex offenders register.

In the interview, conducted with a journalist in 2009, Savile appears to suggest that Glitter was the real victim in the child porn scandal as he had only used the images for his own ‘gratification’ and had not tried to sell them on.

In the interview Saville says: “Now Gary, all he did was take his computer into PC World to get it repaired…They went into his hard drive, saw all these dodgy pictures and told the police and the police then, 'Oh we've got a famous person ... Oh my goodness, yeah we'll have them'.

“But Gary has not sold 'em, has not tried to sell 'em, not tried to show them in public or anything like that. It were for his own gratification. Whether it was right or wrong is, of course, it's up to him as a person. But they didn't do anything wrong but they are then demonised.”

“And of course, if you ever said to that copper, what’s Gary Glitter done wrong? Well nothing really. He’s just sat at home watching these dodgy ,dodgy films. He was like that but he wasn’t public and he didn’t do anything.”

Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile, which is due to be screened on Wednesday night, will detail claims from women that the late television personality sexually abused school girls in his Rolls-Royce and at BBC Television Centre. The allegations date back to the 1970s.

ITV said the programme, presented by former detective Mark Williams-Thomas, features contributions from several women who claim that Sir Jimmy was a sexual predator who sexually assaulted them while they were under-age.

One woman alleges that she was raped by the DJ and another says she was asked to perform a sex act on him.

ITV said one of the contributors explained how she was too frightened to speak out while Sir Jimmy was alive. They said the programme will allege that the broadcaster preyed on teenagers whom he invited to appear on his TV shows.

One 14-year-old girl tells the programme how she met Sir Jimmy at a school in Surrey in 1974 and he assaulted her in his caravan which was parked in the school grounds.

Speaking to ITV’s Daybreak programme this morning, broadcaster Paul Gambaccini added to the allegations, claiming the star used his charity work and ‘imperial personality’ within show business to prevent his private life being exposed.

Gambaccini said his former Radio 1 colleague played tabloid newspapers “like a Stradivarius” in order to keep the abuse secret.

ChildLine founder Esther Rantzen, who worked for the BBC during the 1970s, told the programme that she now believes Sir Jimmy sexually abused under-age girls, after seeing the fresh evidence from their interviews.

”We all blocked our ears to the gossip…We made him into the Jimmy Savile who was untouchable, who nobody could criticise. Jim'll Fix It was for children. He was a sort of God-like figure. Everybody knew of the good that Jimmy did and what he did for children. And these children were powerless“, she said.

The BBC responded to reports that inappropriate behaviour by Sir Jimmy was an “open secret” at the corporation by saying it found no evidence of any misconduct by the broadcaster.

Roger Foster, Savile’s nephew, said his family were “disgusted and disappointed” that the allegations are being made when he is no longer around to defend himself, adding that he is concerned at the potential damage to his uncle’s charities, as well as Savile’s reputation and legacy.

”I just get so disgusted and disappointed by it. The guy hasn't been dead for a year yet and they're bringing these stories out. It could affect his legacy, his charity work, everything. I'm very sad and disgusted”, he said.

”I just don't understand the motives behind this. I just think it's very, very sad you can say these things after someone's died and the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead.“

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/sir-jimmy-saville-defended-paedophile-pop-star-gary-glitter-saying-he-did-nothing-wrong-and-calling-child-porn-just-dodgy-films-8192715.html

BBC "Sorry" About Jimmy Savile Abuse. That's All Right Then!

BBC chief says sorry to victims of alleged sex abuse by Savile

 THE BBC director-general has apologised to victims of Jimmy Savile's alleged sex abuse and pledged that the corporation will hold its own inquiry following a police probe.

George Entwistle, who started in his new role only last month, spoke of deep regret about the ordeals of the women involved in the "awful allegations", and said there would be a "comprehensive examination" of what went on.

The late radio and TV presenter has been accused by a growing number of women of sexual abuse over a number of years.

He spoke out after Prime Minister David Cameron called for the "truly shocking" allegations to be fully investigated.

The BBC said last week it would work with the police in examining the claims, and Mr Entwistle wrote to staff on Friday urging them to come forward with information.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's 'Today' programme yesterday, he said: "These are awful allegations that have been made, and they are criminal allegations.

"The first thing I want to say is that the women involved here have gone through something awful . . . and I would like to apologise on behalf of the organisation to each and every one of them.

"When the police have finished everything they have to do, and when they give me an assurance that there is no danger of us in any way compromising an investigation, I will take it further and ensure that any outstanding questions are answered properly."

A growing number of women have come forward to claim they were either abused -- many of them while under-age -- or that they saw others who were victims.

Several former colleagues have told how they were aware of rumours about the former 'Top Of The Pops' presenter.

Unease about the claims has led to a number of memorials to the star being removed. It was announced yesterday that an inscription on a wall of Leeds Civic Hall in recognition of his charity work will be taken down.

A street sign in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, was also taken away in the past few days.

Peculiar

Mr Entwistle said any BBC inquiry would take place after the police had conducted their investigations.

He said: "At the heart of what went on are a series of criminal allegations about the behaviour of Sir Jimmy Savile.

"The way to deal with those is to make sure that the police, who are the only properly constituted authority for dealing with criminal investigations, are allowed to make the examinations and inquiries they need to make."

Any BBC probe, he added, would examine the "broad question of what was going on and whether anybody around Jimmy Savile knew what was going on".

Mr Entwistle said Savile was widely regarded as a "bit peculiar", but he said if anyone had been directly aware of the allegations they should have spoken up.

"It does seem to me that if people knew, they'd seen something themselves or been told something directly or had evidence of his behaviour, then there was an enormous obligation on them to have done something about it."

He said the BBC's child protection policy would "absolutely stop" access for people in Savile's position to under-18s on BBC premises, a reference to suggestions that the former Radio 1 presenter invited young girls to his dressing room.

Mr Entwistle said: "It's very important that people don't think the BBC of today is anything like in character managed the way it was at the time."

Former Radio 1 DJ Liz Kershaw told over the weekend how when she joined Radio 1 in 1987 -- the year Savile left -- his behaviour was an "open secret".

And she described how she was routinely groped by another presenter while she was on the air.

Broadcaster Janet Street-Porter previously revealed that she was aware of rumours about Savile's alleged abuse of under-age girls when she worked at the BBC in the late 1980s.

TV and radio presenter Sandi Toksvig has also told how she was groped on air by a "famous individual" 30 years ago.

Ms Toksvig, who declined to name the celebrity, said when she informed other staff what had happened they thought it was funny.

The police said they were contacting all individuals who have made claims about the late presenter and should know how many victims there are some time this week.

Scotland Yard is currently considering a number of claims, including a historic rape allegation referred to Met officers by Surrey Police.

Read more + video : http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/celebrity-news-gossip/bbc-chief-says-sorry-to-victims-of-alleged-sex-abuse-by-savile-3253798.html#ixzz28noXjUnw

The gravestone of Sir Jimmy Savile has been removed from a Scarborough cemetery.


The gravestone had been unveiled in September

His family said they were dismantling the triple headstone memorial "out of respect to public opinion" following allegations he sexually abused girls.

Scotland Yard said it is pursuing 120 separate lines of inquiry and there could be 30 victims.

Work to remove the stone - which bears the inscription "It was good while it lasted" - finished around midnight.

A family spokesman said the decision had been made due to "the impact the stone remaining there could have on the dignity and sanctity of the cemetery".

Sir Jimmy had a long association with Scarborough and was buried there after his death, aged 84, in October 2011.

A spokeswoman for Scarborough Borough Council said: "We have been advised by the funeral directors, Joseph A Hey and Son, acting on behalf of Jimmy Savile's family, that the headstone at Woodlands Cemetery has been removed."

The Jim'll Fix It and Top Of The Pops presenter was buried in a gold coffin at a 45-degree angle at the cemetery, facing the sea, at his own request.

The coffin was later encased in concrete as a "security measure" amid speculation about its contents.

Although he was buried in November 2011, the triple headstone was only unveiled last month.

Earlier on Tuesday, the Metropolitan Police said they were pursuing 120 separate lines of inquiry after recording eight allegations against the Leeds-born entertainer, including two accusations of rape.

Plaque vandalised
 
The investigation follows claims made about the BBC broadcaster in an ITV documentary last week.

BBC Director General George Entwistle has promised a "comprehensive examination" of the allegations concerning Sir Jimmy's time at the corporation.

Mr Entwistle said all "outstanding questions" would be addressed after the police had finished their inquiries.

The removal of the headstones comes days after a footpath sign in Scarborough commemorating Sir Jimmy was taken down by the borough council.

A plaque outside his flat in Scarborough was also taken down last week after the words "rapist" and "paedophile" were written on it

Leeds City Council has removed his name from an inscription on a wall commemorating high profile citizens at the city's Civic Hall.

And a wooden statue of Sir Jimmy which stood outside Scotstoun Leisure Centre in Glasgow was also removed from public display after the allegations were broadcast last week.

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The gravestone is also inscribed with verses composed by a family friend

Savile was first investigated by police “for interfering with young girls” when a nightclub manager in Leeds as long ago as 1958. His former bodyguard has told The Sunday Telegraph that Savile claimed to have paid officers to drop the case.

It was the first in a series of at least six investigations that included:

An inquiry into underage sex taking place in the Top of the Pops changing rooms in the late 1960s, according to the show’s then producer. Police interviewed BBC staff but did not pursue a case;

An allegation in 1971 that Savile was involved with a 15-year-old dancer on Top of the Pops, who committed suicide. The girl’s half-brother said Savile was interviewed as a witness, but no further action was taken;

Jimmy Savile Sex Abuse The "Tip Of The Iceberg".

Claims that Savile was abusing patients at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in the late 1970s. John Lindsay, a detective constable at the time, reported the allegations – made by a nurse – to his commanding officer but was told there was not enough evidence to proceed against a celebrity of Savile’s stature;

Two further police investigations in the past five years, including one in Surrey in 2007 over claims of an indecent assault at Duncroft Approved School for Girls. Savile was interviewed by police but the case was dropped due to lack of evidence.

In further evidence that there were widespread suspicions about Savile, Tony Blackburn, a fellow DJ and presenter, said that it was to his “eternal regret” that his former BBC colleague had been “allowed to get away with these monstrous acts”.

The revelations raise serious concerns that the BBC covered up Savile’s sex crimes at the time to protect the reputation of one of their biggest stars.

George Entwistle, the BBC’s director-general, insisted last week that the corporation could find no evidence of allegations of abuse by Savile in its files. In his first intervention since Savile’s behaviour was made public, Blackburn, 69, told The Sunday Telegraph: “I am disgusted beyond words at the vile, despicable actions of Jimmy Savile.

“He was never a friend. He was not a nice man despite how the public viewed him at the peak of his success. There were always rumours circulating about him. The problem at the time was that rumour was always hard to translate into fact. Jimmy Savile was a master manipulator.”

Scotland Yard said yesterday that the number of likely victims had reached 60 with 340 lines of inquiry pursued by 14 forces. The NSPCC has received more than 100 complaints.

Peter Watt, the head of the NSPCC’s helpline, said: “The number of incidents reported have reached treble figures making him a hugely prolific sex offender – one of the worst I’ve ever heard of.”

Inquiries by The Sunday Telegraph show Savile first escaped justice in Leeds in 1958. Dennis Lemmon, now 80, his minder at the time, recalled Savile, who ran a nightclub, being in a bad mood because he faced a court hearing the next day for “interfering with young girls”.

Mr Lemmon said: “He was really worried but everything was dropped. I was told he paid them [the police] off.”

In the late 1960s, police interviewed BBC staff over allegations of under-age sex in musicians’ changing rooms. Savile was not the focus of that investigation although it is clear he was offending at that stage.

Stanley Dorfman, 84, the show’s producer and director in the 1960s, said: “They [police] came and talked to everybody because apparently there had been under-age girls in dressing rooms. It went on for a couple of weeks or so and then they disappeared.”

In 1971, prompted by the suicide of Clair McAlpine, a 15-year-old dancer on Top of the Pops, police launched another investigation. Miss McAlpine, who overdosed on sleeping pills, had left behind a diary detailing claims of being “used” by celebrities.

Her claims were largely dismissed as fantasy by detectives. Her half-brother, Mark Ufland, said: “Jimmy Savile was in the diary for having some sort of sexual relationship with her. As far as I know, Jimmy Savile was interviewed as a witness. My mother told me that the diary went to the police and never came back.”

In the late 1970s, John Lindsay, a police officer, reported to superiors the concerns of a nurse at Stoke Mandeville Hospital but was told to drop the investigation.

After presenter Jonathan King’s conviction in 2001 for abusing boys, it is understood police looked again at Savile but, again, according to a police source, there was no firm evidence.

In 2007, Surrey police questioned Savile over allegations of child sex abuse in the 1970s at Duncroft school. The Crown Prosecution Service advised there was insufficient evidence. Again in 2008 Sussex Police received a complaint of sexual assault by Savile that allegedly took place in Worthing in 1970.

The BBC’s handling of the case has also come under the spotlight. An investigation by Newsnight into Savile was dropped while two tribute programmes were allowed to go ahead by Mr Entwistle. John Whittingdale, a Tory MP and chairman of the culture select committee, said he was likely to call Mr Entwistle to give evidence to MPs.

Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, said last night: “We all have things to answer for but, clearly, the BBC has more questions than the others because these things happened on our premises and he was an employee.”

A BBC spokesman said of the Clair McAlpine inquest: “No adverse finding was made against the BBC by the coroner. According to our records, the allegations did not relate to Savile.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9606494/Jimmy-Savile-police-officers-repeatedly-failed-sex-victims.html

Ted Heath?  I would not wish that on my worst enemy.  There is another Tory sex scandal going around where the main stream media seem to be afraid to go into details: Mr Cameron and Mrs Brookes

Saf you are right.  Johnnie I hope your Libel account has a  healthy balance.

Poor Johnnie must be quaking in his boot's 

But i think Saf ( Lawyers please note the name) is right. And wonder how much she will sing to save her neck . but also wonder if this not a show trail to appaise the peasent's