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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #90 on: October 17, 2012, 08:04:35 AM »
Saf you are right.  Johnnie I hope your Libel account has a  healthy balance.

Poor Johnnie must be quaking in his boot's  :lol

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With the wide range of topics covered in this forum nobody can expect from me to tell everything to be 100% correct or not, especially in discussions about topics regarding other countries like GB, as long as abuse isn't plain to see. Of course as German I'd be expected to control things within my 'natural' interest, i. e. my home country Germany a bit more. And as this is a niche forum dealing with topics about Nakhon Ratchasima I'd also be expected to monitor those topics closer. No need to be quaking in my boots, when you Brits talk about your home country, what's going on there and why you ran away to Thailand. :)

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville - Now the net widens
« Reply #91 on: October 19, 2012, 09:26:51 PM »
Now the net widens: Detectives in Jimmy Savile probe target new celebrities

Detectives investigating Jimmy Savile today announced a criminal inquiry into child abuse allegations involving living celebrities.

Scotland Yard revealed they had identified more than 200 possible victims of either Savile or other stars. The senior officer leading the inquiry said: “We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale.”

Sources say the vast majority of the allegations and the victims who have come forward relate to allegations against Savile. Police are understood to be examining a “handful” of cases involving living celebrities.

About half a dozen have been accused of child abuse on BBC premises or while they were employed by the corporation. They include Savile and Steptoe And Son actor Wilfrid Brambell, both of whom are now dead.

Celebrities who have been named as either knowing about and even taking part in the abuse include convicted paedophile Gary Glitter and entertainer Freddie Starr. Both have denied the allegations.

Among those not named are a soap actor and a former BBC radio presenter. Scotland Yard refused to give a figure for the number of stars under investigation. They face arrest and questioning. Scotland Yard said in a statement: “As we have said from the outset, our work was never going to take us into a police investigation into Jimmy Savile.

“What we have established in the last two weeks is that there are lines of inquiry involving living people that require formal investigation.”

A spokesman said the Operation Yewtree inquiry had established more than 400 lines of inquiry and identified more than 200 potential victims.

Commander Peter Spindler said: “The public’s response to this issue has been astounding. We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale. The profile of this operation has empowered a staggering number of victims to come forward to report the sexual exploitation which occurred during their childhood.

“I am pleased that victims feel confident enough to speak out about the abuse they suffered and would like to reassure the public that we take all these cases very seriously and they will be investigated with the utmost sensitivity.”

Peter Watt, head of the charity NSPCC’s helpline, said: “It’s now looking possible that Jimmy Savile was one of the most prolific sex offenders the NSPCC has ever come across. We have received over 136 calls directly relating to allegations against him, which we’ve passed to the police.”

BBC bosses are to make a decision on Sunday over the airing of a new investigation into the Savile scandal. A Panorama programme focusing on why an original Newsnight inquiry was pulled  was due to go out on Monday.

But the show’s bosses today revealed that it could run after BBC director-general George Entwistle appears before the culture, media and sport select committee on Tuesday. A BBC spokesman said staff would be working over the weekend to get the programme ready. But another is already scheduled for the BBC1 slot.

It came as a leaked email cast doubt on the BBC’s stated reason for cancelling the Newsnight inquiry.

The email, written by press officer Helen Deller and dated December 7, reveals that Newsnight journalists had been “focusing on allegations of abuse” and also gives the impression that it was a lot closer to transmission than the BBC has let on.

Its official line is that it was dropped because it was focusing on a different angle it was unable to “substantiate”.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/now-the-net-widens-detectives-in-jimmy-savile-probe-target-new-celebrities-8218553.html
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #92 on: October 20, 2012, 09:15:46 AM »
Stories about Wilfred Brambell's nasty habits were circulating even while Steptoe was being aired. If ordinary people heard them, why not the BBC and the police?

I suspect that the storm brewed up by the Saville revelations will be diverted by the establishment to a few 'celebrities' who will be sacrificed in order to protect the network as a whole. Why not? That's been going on for decades at least. Who would be able to carry out an effective investigation of the police force, judiciary and Members of Parliament? Have you seen the CNN report today about the cover up of decades of abuse within the Boy Scouts of America?

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #93 on: October 20, 2012, 10:39:39 AM »
amazing he got a knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II in 1996
and Papal knighthood from Pope John Paul II in 1990.

seems the people in the know don't   
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #94 on: October 20, 2012, 10:46:23 AM »
amazing he got a knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II in 1996
and Papal knighthood from Pope John Paul II in 1990.

seems the people in the know don't   

Some don't and some say they don't. When did a Pope shy away from honouring a paedophile?

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #95 on: October 20, 2012, 02:35:47 PM »
The main stream media are still skirting around one of the possible participants.  The Haut de la Garenne children’s home on Jersey was apparently a regular supplier to yachtsmen.  Step forward Sir Edward Richard George Heath, KG, MBE, PC.  Johnnie, this should not affect your libel insurance cover as Ted is already late.

Just saw this on a probably dodgy website:- A source spoke to one of his victims and he said about others who were present, and more important, who was supplying the children to him. The person bringing children for him to abuse is Sir Jimmy Saville. He was seen by the witness, victim, taking young boys onboard Heaths yacht The Morning Cloud when they were at party conference. Saville is known for supplying a number of high profile MP’s with children for them to sexually abuse.
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #96 on: October 20, 2012, 02:47:46 PM »
The Saville-Heath connection was rumoured in public during Saville's lifetime.

I wonder whether that Mountbatten chap was a customer of Saville's. He had a number of perverted interests, including young boys and died with one on his boat.

http://janamejayan.wordpress.com/2012/09/07/a-spicy-menage-a-trois-the-shocking-love-triangle-between-lord-mountbatten-his-wife-and-the-founder-of-modern-india/

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #97 on: October 20, 2012, 02:57:19 PM »
Thanks Saf, Yes maybe that is why he got away with it for so long ..many powerful and influential people were involved.  No wonder the BBC are sh.....g themselves
This is interesting if you have a spare hour:- Sun Sea & Satan FULL DOCUMENTARY
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #99 on: October 22, 2012, 06:30:53 PM »
Just for info
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Gary Glitter arrested by Jimmy Savile police
« Reply #100 on: October 28, 2012, 07:35:41 PM »
Gary Glitter arrested by Jimmy Savile police

Former pop star becomes first person to be arrested in relation to police inquiry into sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile


Gary Glitter is escorted from an address in central London to a police station by officers investigating Jimmy Savile abuse claims

Gary Glitter has become the first person to be arrested in relation to the police inquiry into sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile.

Scotland Yard detectives working on Operation Yewtree have received information from more than 300 alleged victims and further arrests are expected.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was detained at 7.15am on Sunday at an address in central London and taken to a police station in the capital. He was filmed leaving his home wearing a hat and dark coat and gloves, and being driven away.

Glitter was jailed for four months in the UK in 1999 after admitting possessing a collection of 4,000 hardcore photographs of children being abused. In 2006, he was sentenced to three years in jail by a Vietnamese court for sexually molesting two girls. Glitter had always maintained he was innocent of the charges.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Officers working on Operation Yewtree have today arrested a man in his 60s in connection with the investigation. The man, from London, was arrested at approximately 7.15am on suspicion of sexual offences, and has been taken into custody at a London police station.

"The individual falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Savile and others'."

Publicist Max Clifford said on Saturday that up to 15 celebrities had approached him, fearful that their sexual exploits in the 1960s and 1970s might lead to them being caught up in the police inquiry.

The chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, has said he is dedicated to finding out the truth about the scandal that has thrown the corporation into crisis, vowing there would be "no covering our backs".

The corporation is braced for legal ramifications arising from allegations that other BBC employees were involved and questions remain over what bosses knew, and when, about the Newsnight investigation into Savile that was pulled.

Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Lord Patten questioned whether Savile could have committed the alleged crimes without anyone else knowing.

He said: "Can it really be the case that no one knew what he was doing? Did some turn a blind eye to criminality? Did some prefer not to follow up their suspicions because of this criminal's popularity and place in the schedules? Were reports of criminality put aside or buried? Even those of us who were not there at the time are inheritors of the shame."

The BBC chairman said the two independent inquiries that have been set up – one into the Newsnight report and the other into the BBC's culture and practices in the years Savile worked there – must get to the truth of what happened.

He wrote: "Now my immediate priority is to get to the bottom of the Savile scandal and to make any and every change necessary in the BBC to learn the lessons from our independent investigations."

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #101 on: October 28, 2012, 08:51:52 PM »
Tessa Dahl on Gary Glitter's 'This Is Your Life' talking about bringing school girls to see Glitter. When he clutches his neck defensively and goes "Shushhh!"...just unbelievable!

Gary Glitter & The School Girls On 'This Is Your Life'.

0:37 Ssshhhhh! He looked very uncomfortable.
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #102 on: November 16, 2012, 08:04:09 AM »
A swift apology by the BBC doesn't mean that they got it wrong. It just means that they have quite enough poo to deal with now and can do without a public row with someone who is still alive and protected by the Establishment.

Have a look at this as an example of the stories that have been going around for years but have so far not been investigated:

http://pebpr.blogspot.com/

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #103 on: December 07, 2012, 12:30:46 PM »

'Damaging and totally untrue': Max Clifford speaks out against allegations after his arrest in Jimmy Savile sex abuse investigation

69-year-old was held at 7.40am and taken to a central London police station



He once said he loved being “at the centre of everything and being in control”. Britain's best-known publicist Max Clifford secured half of his stated aim at 7.40am today when he was arrested by police investigating claims of historical sex abuse.

Mr Clifford, 69, the fabled master spinner and friend to the stars, was arrested at his Surrey home on suspicion of "sexual offences" and questioned at a central London police station, before being released on bail tonight.

He became the fifth man to be arrested by officers of Operation Yewtree following the avalanche of allegations since the outing of Jimmy Savile as a predatory paedophile in a television documentary in October.

Mr Clifford, whose arrest is understood not to be directly linked with Savile, said last night that the allegation dated back to 1977. Standing outside the police station, he said in a short statement that the claims were "damaging and totally untrue", adding they were "very distressing for myself, my wife, my family and loved ones".

Scotland Yard declined to give further details about the nature of the allegations today, but Mr Clifford had already been centre stage in the saga. He said last month that he had been contacted by more than a dozen major stars and managers who were concerned about the growing scandal and had asked him to "keep them in the picture".

"It is a situation which could easily turn into a witch-hunt, a lot of big stars are frightened," he said during a round of media interviews. "Where is it going to end?" he asked.

Asked whether he was "compromising himself" by acting for people who may have been involved in unwitting underage sex, he said: "It's very simple – I am very close friends with a lot of these people and have been for 40 to 50 years. They know I'm in the middle of the media world, so I'm the first person that they turn to, not just on this subject but lots of subjects."

The arrest marked a stunning development for a man who has been the architect of tabloid "kiss-and-tells" involving major public figures for decades. He was catapulted into the big time after The Sun ran the headline "Freddie Starr ate My Hamster" with his permission – even though the comedian has always denied the allegation. He later told the Leveson Inquiry that he had recognised it would be great publicity for Starr as he embarked on a new tour.

He has since had his fingerprints on numerous classic tabloid front-page stories involving David Beckham, David Mellor, Jude Law and Sven-Goran Eriksson. He has also been caught on camera talking about how he successfully suppressed scandals.

In an old video that only came to light last month, Mr Clifford spoke of how he would create a "false image" for clients as "long as they're not interfering with little kids".

Mr Starr was one of the other five men arrested during the course of the investigation. Gary Glitter, the former radio DJ Dave Lee Travis and former television producer Wilfred De'Ath have all been arrested and subsequently bailed.

A man in his 80s from Berkshire has also been questioned as part of the police inquiry that now involves 30 officers and has cost £2m. They have all denied any wrongdoing.

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With the master publicist unavailable for comment until late last night, the task of confirming Max Clifford's arrest today fell to his solicitor, Charlotte Harris, below, a media specialist at law firm Mishcon de Reya. She represented Mr Clifford in 2010 when News International settled his phone-hacking case for £991,000. The website of Max Clifford Associates, the company he set up in the 1970s after working as a reporter and music PR, had no mention of the arrest. However, a fundraising dinner at which he was due to speak on Monday has been cancelled.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #104 on: December 07, 2012, 01:28:58 PM »
What a turn up!

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #105 on: December 12, 2012, 09:47:26 AM »
It's reported that the police investigation into Savile is complete. Good, soon we will find out what he was up to with Heath, Mountbatten and a few other public figures. On the other hand, these investigations never do go that far, do they?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20686219

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #106 on: January 11, 2013, 08:04:49 PM »
I assumed that Sovile had been harassing mainly star struck underage teens. Now we find that he abused an eight year old and some poor soul in a hospice. Also, police received complaints during his fifty year career of abuse but ignored them. Time now to expose abusers in the establishment, including police officers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20981611

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #107 on: January 22, 2013, 09:02:38 AM »
...and his ghost will keep on haunting - children's TV:

BBC receives 216 complaints for Tweenies Jimmy Savile spoof


Tweenies character Max dressed as Jimmy Savile Max appeared wearing a wig and costume in the sketch

The BBC has received 216 complaints about an episode of The Tweenies, in which a character appeared dressed as disgraced TV presenter Jimmy Savile.

The programme, which was filmed in 2001, was shown on CBeebies before 09:00 GMT on Sunday.

In the scene, the character Max appeared in a blonde wig, wearing Savile's trademark tracksuits and using his accent and catchphrases.

Thirty-four people also contacted the BBC to comment on the programme.

A spokesperson for the BBC said the majority of the complaints were made immediately after the programme was broadcast.

Police say DJ and presenter Savile sexually abused hundreds of people during 60 years in entertainment.

Apologising for the sketch, the BBC said: "This morning CBeebies broadcast a repeat of an episode of the Tweenies, originally made in 2001, featuring a character dressed as a DJ impersonating Jimmy Savile. This programme will not be repeated and we are very sorry for any offence caused."

Media watchdog Ofcom said it was assessing whether any broadcasting rules have been broken, but was not currently investigating.

It is understood that the regulator received "tens, rather than hundreds" of complaints about the episode.

The episode featured the character Max presenting a Top Of The Pops-style programme. He was wearing a wig and used Savile's familiar catchphrase: "Now then, guys and gals."

The gaffe was picked up by fans on social networking sites such as Twitter.

Glenn Ebrey tweeted: "Dear CBeebies, I'm not sure this was a good choice of DJ to impersonate on The Tweenies today."

Kenny Senior wrote "Are BBC trying to self destruct? Max from Tweenies dressed as Jimmy Savile just now nearly chokes on my cornflakes."

A recent Metropolitan police report into allegations of sexual abuse against Savile, who died in 2011 aged 84, concluded the presenter and DJ was a "prolific, predatory sex offender" who abused more than 200 people over a 60-year period.

The Tweenies, which was a co-production between Tell-Tale Productions and the BBC was cancelled in 2003 but episodes have been repeated regularly since then.

Episodes mixed stories, song and creative activities aimed at helping children to learn through play.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #108 on: January 23, 2013, 08:53:10 PM »
It's not gonna stop!

Broadcaster Stuart Hall charged with rape

Stuart Hall The presenter was arrested after attending a police station by appointment

Broadcaster Stuart Hall has been charged with one offence of rape and 14 offences of indecent assault, Lancashire Police have said.

Mr Hall, 83, of Wilmslow, Cheshire, was arrested on Tuesday after attending a police station by appointment.

The rape is alleged to have been committed in 1976 against a 22-year-old woman.

The indecent assaults are alleged to have taken place between 1967 and 1986 on 10 girls aged between nine and 16.

Mr Hall has been bailed to appear before magistrates in Preston on 7 February.

A Lancashire Police statement said: "Following consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service an 83-year-old man has this evening been charged with one offence of rape and 14 offences of indecent assault."

Mr Hall pleaded not guilty to three charges of indecent assault when he appeared at Preston Magistrates' Court earlier this month. The court referred these charges to Preston Crown Court.

The broadcaster is best known for his sports reporting on BBC Radio 5 live - as well as his work on the 1970s TV show It's A Knockout.

Mr Hall has been a familiar face and voice in British broadcasting for half a century and became an OBE in the 2012 New Year Honours for services to broadcasting and charity.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #109 on: January 24, 2013, 02:27:48 PM »


Eddie Waring must be turning in his grave :-[
 

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« Reply #110 on: February 10, 2013, 12:16:53 AM »
Sexual abuse victim killed herself after giving evidence at choirmaster trial

Frances Andrade's body found after she gave evidence against former music teacher later convicted of indecent assault


Violinist Frances Andrade told a friend that giving evidence had felt like being 'raped all over again'.

A professional violinist killed herself after giving evidence at the trial of her former music teacher, who was found guilty of five counts of indecent assault on Friday.

Jurors in the case against Michael Brewer were not told of Frances Andrade's death until after they reached a verdict.

Brewer, 68, the former director of music at the world-renowned Chetham's school of music in Manchester, was found guilty of five charges of indecently assaulting Andrade when she was 14 and 15 and a pupil at the school.

He was cleared on three further indecent assault charges and was found not guilty of raping Andrade when she was 18. His ex-wife, Hilary Kay Brewer, also 68, was found guilty of indecently assaulting Andrade when she was 18, but found not guilty of aiding and abetting rape.

The judge warned them to expect custodial sentences.

The Guardian has learned that Andrade, 48, texted a friend three days before her death to say she felt like she had been "raped all over again" after appearing in the witness box at Manchester crown court last month to face Brewer.

The mother of four texted that she felt "fragmented". Asked by a friend if the verdict would make a difference to the way she felt. "No either is awful x," Andrade texted back.

Complaining about a robust cross-examination by Brewer's barrister, who accused her of telling "a pack of lies", she wrote sarcastically: "I'm a fantasist with the Electra complex seeking attention." The judge later said the cross-examination was proper and correct.

Andrade had not initiated the police investigation which led to the trial. Friends said she did not present herself as a "victim" and would have hated to be seen as such. They say she never wanted to give evidence against the Brewers.

Giving evidence, Brewer denied all of Andrade's allegations but admitted to an affair with a 17-year-old pupil at Chetham's in 1994. He resigned when the affair was discovered and the school said he had stepped down for "health reasons". Brewer went on to become the artistic director of the National Youth Choirs of Great Britain and has also directed the World Youth Choir. He served as an adjudicator in international competitions and in 2008 led BBC workshops for the programme Last Choir Standing.

Andrade killed herself the day after Brewer started to give evidence. In the witness box he called her a "fantasist" who was "largely living a fantasy life". The day before her death she had also been told that the judge had directed the jury to find Brewer not guilty on five of the indecent assault charges on the original indictment. The judge said those charges, which related to sexual activity by a canal in Manchester, fell outside the statute of limitations because Andrade admitted in evidence that she may have been over the age of consent at the time, which was 16.


Michael Brewer and Kay Brewer Michael Brewer and his ex-wife Kay Brewer. Photograph: Dave Thompson/PA

When the judge heard of Andrade's death, he adjourned the case for three days. After discussions with the Crown Prosecution Service and the attorney general, Dominic Grieve, he agreed to proceed with the trial. All subsequent witnesses were carefully briefed not to let slip that Andrade had died and all media were sent a reporting restriction from the attorney general's office forbidding any reporting of her death.

The jury had been told that Andrade had not initiated the police investigation which led to the trial. It was the mother of one of her violin pupils who raised the alarm in 2011, the court heard.

Andrade told the jury she had been furious at the woman's intervention but agreed to give evidence against Brewer.

"I think she felt morally obligated because she had been asked to help in the case," said Kirsten Klingels, a longtime friend of Andrade. "She had overcome many challenges in her life and was an incredibly strong person. I think she thought she was strong enough to go through this."

But her friends told the Guardian she had already tried to kill herself as the trial approached. "Fran had been understandably emotionally fragile in the runup to the trial," said Jackie Shave, another friend.

Andrade told the jury she had self-harmed all her life. "Self harming was the means by which I knew I was alive," she said in court, revealing that she gave herself "black eyes" ahead of her audition for Chetham's. Adopted as a baby, she claimed in court that she had been sexually abused by an uncle from a young age and was badly affected by the death of her adopted father when she was a girl. She never got on well with her adopted mother, she said.

Shave said that despite her difficult upbringing Andrade did not wallow in sadness and was always looking to the future, not the past. "She had so much to live for – she was a truly wonderful mother. I felt she was determined to give to her children all the love and care she so sadly was denied herself," she said.

Klingels said "She was such a joyous person who brought light into all of her lives with her acute mind and loving, caring character."

Everyone, including Brewer, agreed that Andrade had a remarkable talent for the violin.

Fiona Stephen, a friend of 30 years, said: "Fran was a phenomenal player. Even when she was a teenager she played with such depth and intensity, it was like she had lived a thousand lives."

Anne Sophie-Mutter, the German concert violinist, once said Andrade was responsible for "the most passionate violin playing I have ever heard". Another famous violinist, Victor Lieberman, said her music was "perfect in sound and expression".

Both tributes were included in the programme for Andrade's funeral, which took place in Guildford crematorium on Monday. It was packed with more than 200 mourners, guests said. Two of her children gave a tribute at the funeral, along with her husband and two friends.

Peter Cadwallader, prosecuting barrister in the Brewer trial, attended the funeral, along with Detective Constable Mark Atkinson of Greater Manchester police, who was the officer investigating the case.

Vulnerable victims giving evidence in courts are offered the opportunity to give evidence behind a screen or via video link. Andrade turned down these special measures, preferring instead to appear in open court and face Brewer.

She was a combative, confident and emotional witness. When Kate Blackwell QC, Brewer's barrister, alleged her account of being raped by the Brewers at their house was "utter fantasy", Andrade loudly replied: "Bollocks".

"You have told this jury a complete pack of lies about the visit to this house," said Blackwell.

Andrade replied: "This is why cases don't come to court. This happened."

"You spent the night lying next to two of your rapists?" asked the barrister, referring to Andrade's account of sleeping three in a bed with the Brewers after she said they had raped her.

Andrade answered: "But this happened. I felt guilty, I did not know how to get out of it.

"This is a lie," said Blackwell. "You could have left the house at any time."

Andrade replied: "You have got no idea clearly about what it is like to be raped. You have clearly no feminine understanding of what someone goes through like that. What shock your body goes through. How you almost feel you deserve it."

Judge Martin Rudland said on Thursday that Blackwell had been "perfectly proper and correct in her examination of all the witnesses in this case".

After Andrade's death the police strongly defended the decision to prosecute. Detective Chief Inspector Dave Pester, from South Manchester division, said: "This case was initially investigated by Surrey constabulary and then referred to GMP [Greater Manchester police], at which point a specially trained detective was allocated to investigate the offences and to act as a single point of contact for the victim.

"Throughout the investigation and trial, the victim was supported by Greater Manchester police and other partner agencies. At no time did the investigating officer believe that the victim was anything other than determined to give evidence in this case. She was fully aware of the judicial process and of the special measures that were available to her as she gave evidence."

The Guardian

This judge could not keep the defense lawyer from accusing a witness in the courtroom as liar? And he couldn't find any more objective sounding words than "perfectly proper and correct in her examination of all the witnesses in this case" after the suicide was related to that lawyer's behaviour"? :o

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #111 on: February 10, 2013, 08:27:07 AM »
That's very, very sad.

Many don't understand the hell that victims of child abuse suffer throughout their lives. Ruthless cross examination of a victim who is a witness can stir the pot to, it seems, a point where the victim can no longer cope. Such cross examinations are necessary, perhaps, to ensure that the witness is telling the truth, but appropriate professional support for those people should be offered.

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #112 on: February 12, 2013, 08:35:14 PM »
The replies here are both misleading and over exaggerated.
A) There is no red light district in Korat.
B) Expect to pay a few thousand baht (if you go there for a night out) at karaoke bars before you "negotiate" anything sexual. Look in the dictionary and you will see "karaoke bars in Korat next to the word, PARASITE.
C) If you have ever been to a go go bar in BKK or Pattaya, save yourself the bother and don't go to Coyote bars such as swing or 2 piece. They are LAME. pay a fortune for drinks and watch Thai guys play with their giks. Go Go and Coyote are not the same.
D) If you have ever been to for a walk along beach Rd in pattaya at 10 pm on any given night, you would have seen the beach rats lining the sidewalk. Yamo park is similar, but 1/100th the amount of women.
E) "Fish bowls" are of course in korat. They are in every Thai town as is a Honda shop, 7-11, kruntep bank, a Toyota dealer, a few schools and a scattering of temples. So fish bowls here are no different in Korat to what fish bowls are in such places as Nan, Uttaradit, Chaiyapum, Siracha or any other small town you can think of. fish bowls are for "quick fixes". They don't cater for  guys looking for"fun nights out with cute girls climbing all over them".
Anyone that says Korat is as fun as BKK or sin city by the sea is indeed ill informed, lying, deluded or pulling your leg. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D And to those that enthusiastically recommend the places above, well you should venture to more flavorable places more.

I won't go into the great potential of the Mall because we are specifically discussing "red light districts".

but there is no thred discussing the great potential of the mall.... i am going to be there in a few weeks and  iwould like to make the most of it. please DO explain the jackpot that is the mall. please.

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #113 on: February 12, 2013, 08:38:05 PM »
DD the mall deserves a post i was there a couple of weeks ago, the eye contact i was getting from young old you name they with after a piece of any Farang they could, there was even a women standing in the entrance to the small with a placard advertising herself to any Farang that would take her ;D

Should have added this quote also... see what i am talking about here. i am not anti-social, but i find the language barrier to be rather difficult to overcome.

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #114 on: February 13, 2013, 08:58:31 AM »
Basement level of the mall is a pub with live music, known to "serve" before serving hours.  Yes, lots of young waitresses, some who are willing to give you their number. 

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #115 on: February 13, 2013, 12:16:39 PM »
Basement level of the mall is a pub with live music, known to "serve" before serving hours.  Yes, lots of young waitresses, some who are willing to give you their number.

More likely they want your number so that they can pester you for days after.

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #116 on: February 13, 2013, 09:58:53 PM »
no homo... i love you guys

is there a good english to thai translator web sight? google and bring just bring back giberish. or can i just hire one :P

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #117 on: February 13, 2013, 10:27:04 PM »
no homo... i love you guys

is there a good english to thai translator web sight? google and bring just bring back giberish. or can i just hire one :P

Please see quote above. Does any one know gibberish? It makes no sense to me.

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #118 on: February 14, 2013, 08:00:21 AM »
It's a wind up. Treat it as such.

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Re: Re: Where is Korat's Red Light Area?
« Reply #119 on: February 14, 2013, 08:46:27 AM »
i have seen but not been into 2 bars along Suepsiri road the end near Tesco lotus. The girls are very prety sitting outside

 



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