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sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2012, 07:47:51 PM »
I'll pass that on, JF. Thank you.
 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2012, 09:33:14 PM »
There are some really charming people on a certain other forum. Phil and his wife are going to France because he needs treatment for a serious illness.

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does the owner needs marketing assistance ?

nay; make a fire sale to get rid of it as soon as possible
 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #62 on: June 08, 2012, 01:55:44 PM »
I read somewhere on the internet, I forget where, that the French Restaurant has been sold. I just spoke to Phil who said that's not true. There are potential buyers but no-one has come up with any money yet.

In brief, Phil & Kaek's restaurant is still for sale!
 

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #63 on: June 08, 2012, 02:06:16 PM »
Yeah, the guy who runs the pizza booth at Saveone bought it.  Hope he doesn't advertise on Alfie's forum.
 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #64 on: June 08, 2012, 02:22:15 PM »
That information is incorrect! People are interested but it isn't sold yet.
 

Offline thaiga

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #65 on: June 08, 2012, 04:32:19 PM »

  Well hurry up we can share quilters wine or is it winge :evilgrin
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sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #66 on: June 08, 2012, 04:42:36 PM »
I don't know why wine suddenly came into this. Perhaps he thinks it might be too expensive to buy by the glass. After all, we know they all want sumptuous furnishings at wholesale menu prices.

'Of course, sir, I paid for this establishment and pay for the overheads so that you can bring you own booze. Why don't you bring your own food too? If you want, I'll put on a dress and do the forkin' fandango for you. Anything else you want free?'
 

Offline thaiga

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #67 on: June 08, 2012, 05:02:22 PM »


  Just the fandango will be fine.not the red dress again
                                                                                       
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.
 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #68 on: June 08, 2012, 06:10:31 PM »
They're no interfering in the possible sale negotiations! No manners. No respect.
 

Offline Baby Farts

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2012, 04:19:10 AM »
Quilter and Sulasno.....what a pair of nimrods.  I wonder how quilter (she) would feel if someone drove her quilting business into the ground on a forum.  Typical Thai Saw-Roo-Saw-Hin.



 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #70 on: June 09, 2012, 03:14:04 PM »
Although the nature of this sale has been made quite clear, some chatter elsewhere is beginning to cloud it.

The lease and all fixtures and fittings are for sale as one package. What business is run there is, of course, up to the buyer. Individual fixtures and fittings are not for sale separately. The premises have been nicely converted for restaurant use.

Phil has given me details of what is included in the sale to pass to anyone who has a genuine interest. It isn't usual to publish such information about a business for sale on public forums for everyone to read.

If anyone has a genuine interest and wants to see the premises, I will be happy to let Phil know or they can contact him direct.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #71 on: June 09, 2012, 05:09:06 PM »
Quote from: Alfie
As the owner of the restaurant hasn't posted here any details about the proposed sale, perhaps he doesn't want any korat-farang members or readers to buy the restaurant/lease/pots and pans or whatever is for sale.

I must have missed that Phil "proposed" on K-F to sell his place. I could only read his objection to their claim that it were sold already. Obviously he did that to avoid getting into trouble with people he is in negotiations with, when they hear of that false information he already would have sold otherwise, but might think then he'd only "act like considering them as buyers", suspecting fraud by him. Both the prospective buyer and Phil suffering financial damage by that.

Yeah, the guy who runs the pizza booth at Saveone bought it.  Hope he doesn't advertise on Alfie's forum.

That information is incorrect! People are interested but it isn't sold yet.

One should be very careful repeating or even only taking for granted dubious information from that forum. A good lawyer could turn the spreading of that false claim of the object being sold already into a pretty penny. ;D
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sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #72 on: June 09, 2012, 08:43:06 PM »
Quite so, JF. They they seem to be less interested in the truth than in their own fantasies.
 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #73 on: June 09, 2012, 09:01:32 PM »
It's amazing how ignorant people can be about their adopted country and finance. They live here for donkey's years and assume that all knowledge comes from the third bottle of beer.

They assume that a potential buyer of a business will use the business as collateral for loan. They assume that Thais have no assets, much like themselves, perhaps. They rest their fat bellies on their balls and pontificate about things of which they have no knowledge. Locals who have a modest living are assumed to have nothing else. Most locals that I know have more assets to use as collateral than do most farang that I know. Perhaps the buyer referred to has assets that would easily cover a loan. Let's wait and see rather than join then bar room business experts.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #74 on: June 10, 2012, 07:09:58 AM »
More of the "power of K-F" interfering in that sale!

Phil had clearly posted:

Quote from: frenchPhilKaek
No, my restaurant is not sold, I just want a customer who bought it, but he applied for a loan to the bank, so I await his answer
i can tell, my restaurant is sold when i have money, but now this guy no give me money so my restaurant is not sold

Meliyanna last night around 3 a.m. expressed her anger that she was told by Phil and Kaek to wait (as well) before they could enter into any negotiations with her:

Quote from: melyianna
yes, please post some photos of the inside. i have seen the outside many times AND I LIKE THE LOCATION VERY MUCH but I would like to see the inside.

I emailed you last night, phil, and I sent you a message here on the forum. Also, I called today (Saturday) in the afternoon to ask if I could please see the place today while I was in korat.

no response to email or message here on the forum. and when I called, a thai woman answered, so my thai husband talked to her in thai. he asked if we could please see the inside of the restaurant - just a fast tour as we've never been inside. we were told no.

my thai husband asked the woman, "You have the french restaurant, "Phil and Kaek", right and you want to sell the place, yes?" (to make sure we had called the right person) and she responded, "yes."

my thai husband explained that we would only be in korat city today and asked if later in the evening would be better.
we were told no, come back monday.

my thai husband explained again that we were only in korat city for the day and that we could not come on monday.
we were told no. we cannot see the restaurant.

my thai husband asked one last time if there was ANYONE at the restaurant or anyone in korat who could possibly show us the place today and he stressed that we were only in town for today and that we could not come on monday. He was told, "my son is there," so he asked, "can we please just see the inside for a few minutes? we have never seen the inside but we are very interested in buying / renting the place." and he was told "no" again.

Now why does she complain publicly that at present he is holding it for somebody he is already in negotiations with? If those negotiations fail, I'm sure Phil might be happy to show her the place and enter into negotiations with her. Or did she expect to be given a guided tour just for fun? And then write about it on that forum and cause problems with Phil and the prospective buyer he's now in negotiations with?

It would be really bad for Phil's reputation as the seller to give in to her request now, where he already promised to a prospective buyer to put the sale on hold until the bank decided about the loan. He deserves respect instead of her public complaint about him not breaking a promise!
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Offline Baby Farts

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #75 on: June 10, 2012, 07:51:13 AM »
"As the owner of the restaurant hasn't posted here any details about the proposed sale, perhaps he doesn't want any korat-farang members or readers to buy the restaurant/lease/pots and pans or whatever is for sale.

And if what Saf wrote on another forum is true, a slow sale could benefit the buyer rather than seller. "


Well said, Alfie.  After all the damage that you've allowed on your forum, would anyone in their right mind sell to the same people who attempted to drive their business into the ground?  Still poking fun at Anders with your broken swivel chair topic eh?  Do you delight in attacking your own members?  Amazing Admin you are.




 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #76 on: June 10, 2012, 08:13:38 AM »
More of the "power of K-F" interfering in that sale!

Phil had clearly posted:

Quote from: frenchPhilKaek
...so I await his answer...

Meliyanna last night around 3 a.m. expressed her anger that she was told by Phil and Kaek to wait (as well) before they could enter into any negotiations with her:

Quote from: melyianna
yes, please post some photos of the inside. i have seen the outside many times AND I LIKE THE LOCATION VERY MUCH but I would like to see the inside.
(...)
we have never seen the inside but we are very interested in buying / renting the place." and he was told "no" again.


Now why does she complain publicly that at present he is holding it for somebody he is already in negotiations with? If those negotiations fail, I'm sure Phil might be happy to show her the place and enter into negotiations with her. Or did she expect to be given a guided tour just for fun? And then write about it on that forum and cause problems with Phil and the prospective buyer he's now in negotiations with?

It would be really bad for Phil's reputation as the seller to give in to her request now, where he already promised to a prospective buyer to put the sale on hold until the bank decided about the loan. He deserves respect instead of her public complaint about him not breaking a promise!

There's no future in negotiating with someone who publishes the content of discussions.

There's a degree of insensitivity in this complaint. Phil is ill. It's quite possible that he and his wife are spending some time at home. They live out of town. That would explain why he asked the caller to come on Monday. I serious buyer would be content to wait a few days. An impatient enquirer will get nowhere.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #77 on: June 10, 2012, 08:39:58 AM »
How would you as a prospective buyer in a business deal who was promised by the seller to await the answer from your bank financing feel about rumors that he entered into negotiations with another prospective buyer? Maybe that he's attempting to drive up the price! Maybe that all the work and time you invested into securing this deal was in vain due to unreliability of your business partner!  :cussing

I bet it never occurred to the participants of that slaying that their posting could constitute defamation of character.
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sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #78 on: June 10, 2012, 09:58:04 AM »
I think that Phil has made it clear to all interested parties that first come with the money is first served with the business. Those who publish details of a conversation about viewing do make it look like a wrecking exercise, I agree. Perhaps it's just ignorance or naivety.

I feel sorry for Phil and Kaek. They seem to me to be decent, honest people who have to give up a business that was her dream because of ill health. The restaurant has been open for only about six months so no-one can call it a failure as a business model. It takes a year to gain a reputation and refine the business model through experience. The need to sell is painful for Kaek and I hope that neither she nor Phil are viewing the unpleasant comments being made about them.

The restaurant is nicely done and would suit a particular type of business very well. It would make a very good place for local Thai people, a market that the experts elsewhere seem to have overlooked. An alternative would be to strip it and store the contents until they return to Thailand. They have an idea that they might start a business of a different, less demanding type elsewhere and some of the things they have might be useful there.

I wish them luck over the next few months during what will be a difficult time.
 

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #79 on: June 10, 2012, 11:20:17 PM »
I agree with all my Koratfart comrades here.
Unless I am missing something, I read a post which suggested the writer of that post deliberately "inserted" herself into the story (The French Restaurant. Season 2 Episode 14) for all to read! It's not like there was interest in buying it was there? :spin :spin :spin
My mind boggles...
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #80 on: June 11, 2012, 08:39:51 AM »
Unless I am missing something, I read a post which suggested the writer of that post deliberately "inserted" herself into the story (The French Restaurant. Season 2 Episode 14) for all to read!

Taser, when there's a queue waiting to be served, and one is told to wait for his turn, when she/he tries to jump the queue, is there reason to start complaining publicly (loudly) about being told to wait?

And what reason could one have to share details of an approach in a unique business transaction on a public forum? As if "buying  a french restaurant in Korat" were something that very many people do very often and therefore share interest, need to know about the experience others made "buying a french restaurant in Korat". Most companies would object to that as "spying and revealing business secrets with intention to influence". Ever heard of big companies revealing details of their takeover attempts? 8)

It's not like there was interest in buying it was there? :spin :spin :spin
My mind boggles...

If somebody is really interested in securing a business deal she/he normally would not expose her/his interest on a public forum for everybody to see and maybe keep it from happening, calling competitors for her/his bid on the plan, who might drive up the price. But some people might think another way: 'When I can't have the seller jump and lay his sales item at my feet, I don't want others to succeed in getting it!' Most people would be far too shy to report about their failed attempt to influence others! They would quietly try another approach, if they were really interested in the object of the deal.

Now you can choose, Taser: either there wasn't interest in the first place, or there is the attitude of spoiling somebody else's chance to secure the deal! Both not very pleasant in connection with the post! Please consider the posting time of 3 a.m. after a Saturday night in your decision for which option you'd go!
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sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #81 on: June 11, 2012, 02:56:34 PM »
Phil says elsewhere,

For melvianna,
yes , my wife speak with your husband in thai,
she tell you:
1 we are not in Korat, saturday and sunday, and you can't see my restaurant because sun she , isn't sure stay in restaurant ,,, ok
2 she tell you we are in korat monday, if you want , you can come for see, if you can't is your probleme!!!!
3 nothing is strange!!!!
4 this week end, i can't ansvers to you in forum, because where i am , no have internet!!!
No need do one movie in forum for this one
Best regards



Well done, Phil. I think what he means in brief is 'Here's the truth. Shove it up your jacksie and suck on it'. But he's too polite to say it that way.

Just as I said! So, the truth was edited and manipulated to make a story to suit the audience.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #82 on: June 11, 2012, 03:13:47 PM »
Quote from: frenchPhilKaek
No need do one movie in forum for this one
Best regards

C'est savoir vivre! :salute
Fun is the one thing that money can't buy
 

Offline thaiga

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #83 on: June 11, 2012, 05:52:04 PM »

  Shame though i think she would be good at french :evilgrin
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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #84 on: June 11, 2012, 11:46:14 PM »

Now you can choose, Taser: either there wasn't interest in the first place, or there is the attitude of spoiling somebody else's chance to secure the deal!

Definately the 1st option for me.
 

Offline Baby Farts

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #85 on: June 12, 2012, 06:23:45 AM »
Quilter goes on to say, "Something fishy going on" without even knowing the truth.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #86 on: June 12, 2012, 07:44:05 AM »
Definately the 1st option for me.

Then ask why does somebody write such a lengthy "account"! Only to post some nonsense? Could just do "Da da, blah, blah!"

Quilter goes on to say, "Something fishy going on" without even knowing the truth.

Can you imagine him criticising Melyianna? Maybe Quilter wanted to supplement with the second option. ;)
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Offline audi

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #87 on: June 12, 2012, 02:50:40 PM »
Yawn !     I know we had 4 or 5 meals here and each time thoroughly enjoyed the visit.


I wish them well!
 

Offline thaiga

Re: The French Restaurant - Korat now new pizza
« Reply #88 on: July 15, 2012, 03:14:02 PM »
  new pizza place in the old french restaurant

  The michelin guide are back 

Poor old quilter he doesnt seem to have much luck.He goes on to say............

I had a very bad experience with his "not fully" cooked pizza   ... since after, I have stopped eating his pizza again.              
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.
 

sicho

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Re: The French Restaurant - Korat
« Reply #89 on: July 15, 2012, 09:55:28 PM »
Knocking the place before he's even been there. Can't help themselves, can they? There's no excuse for not fully cooking a pizza but if you are given one you hand it back. Simple.

I'm pleased that the couple who owned the French Restaurant have finally sold it and can go to France with that particular burden off their backs. I hope that Phil's treatment is successful and he's soon back in Thailand.
 

 



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