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First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« on: August 23, 2011, 09:46:53 PM »
Thailand revises high-speed rail plan, Laos link shelved

(Reuters) - Thailand's new government unveiled a revised plan for the country's high-speed train network on Tuesday, prioritising domestic rail expansion over an ambitious regional connectivity plan being spearheaded by China.

Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra announced during her inaugural policy speech to parliament that three routes would be constructed linking Bangkok with urban centres in the north, northeast and upper south.

The plan differs from that of the previous Democrat Party-led government, which wanted one high-speed line connecting Bangkok with Nong Khai province bordering Laos, some 615 km (382 miles) away, followed by a second line stretching 980 km south of the capital to Padang Basar at the Malaysian border.

Supoj Sablorm, permanent secretary of Thailand's Transport Ministry, said the original plan had been modified to cover more of the country and the proposed links to Laos and Malaysia would be revisited at a later stage.

He said the first line would be to Nakhon Ratchasima, 260 km northeast of Bangkok, and the Puea Thai Party-led government was in no rush to extend it to Nong Khai because China's construction of a high-speed railway through Laos had been delayed beyond 2014.

"Actually, it is the same route, but in order to finish it earlier, Puea Thai have shortened it," Supoj told Reuters. "China is also not yet ready in Laos."

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China is keen to increase its footprint in Southeast Asia and last year agreed a free-trade pact with the Association of South East Asian Nations, a 10-member bloc of 1.9 billion people with a combined GDP of almost $6 trillion.

But at home, last month's high-speed rail crash in eastern China that killed 40 people has triggered public fury, concerns about safety issues and a freeze on approvals for new railway projects.

The previous Thai government had agreed in principal to borrow $400 million from China, which would be spent on materials to construct the high-speed railways, with Chinese engineers providing expertise.

But it was not clear whether the new government would stick to that agreement. Supoj said a Memorandum of Understanding needed to be signed between the two countries.

The rail plan announced by Yingluck features three separate lines each from Bangkok, out to Nakhon Ratchasima, Chiang Mai (700 km north) and the beach town of Hua Hin (200 km south).

She gave no timeframe for completion of the three routes.

She said a new conventional rail link between Suvarnabhumi airport and central Bangkok could be expanded eastwards to reach Chonburi, a largely industrial province close to the racy coastal city of Pattaya, which draws more than 4 million tourists a year.

China is offering financing and expertise to push its ambitious Sino-Southeast-Asian network, which aims to connect Kunming in southern China with Laos, Thailand, Myanmar, Malaysia and Singapore, and possibly Cambodia and southern Vietnam.

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Re: First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2011, 10:27:32 PM »
No time frame?

Eight years! at least.

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Re: First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2011, 07:58:10 AM »
1.4m gauge rail track study
   
The State Railway of Thailand will study the feasibility of upgrading its existing one-metre-gauge train tracks to the standard gauge, or 1.435 metres, proposed for future train services.

The study was announced by Deputy Transport Minister Chatt Kuldilokeon on Thursday after a meeting with  SRT officials to discuss the government’s plans  to construct a high-speed rail system and upgrade the country’s double rail tracks. 

Mr Chatt said the government wanted high-speed trains to carry both passengers and freight.

He asked the SRT to study the feasibility of building the new standard gauge track, used in most countries, along the same routes as the existing narrow gauge tracks.

The study would look into the comparative costs.

Mr Chatt said it was proposed the planned  Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima high speed rail route, to run on the wider tracks, would also be extended to  Laem Chabang Port in Chon Buri.

An SRT official who did not want to be named said the plan would be “extremely hard” to implement due to the high  construction cost and technical problems in the course of construction. 

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Re: First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2011, 09:31:26 AM »
I can already hear the sound of coins falling into back pockets.

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Re: First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2011, 12:33:48 PM »

The Educational promotion video for the construction of the high-speed train

High-speed train route from Bangkok to Nakhon Ratchasima


Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2011, 12:59:18 PM »
Nong Khai-Satun high-speed rail route revised to bypass Bangkok

The Transport Ministry will revise the route of the planned high-speed rail project linking southern Thailand with southern China via Laos to pass through Chon Buri's Laem Chabang Port, rather than Bangkok.

According to the original plan, the Thai section of the route was from Nong Khai to Satun's Pak Bara Port via Nakhon Ratchasima and Bangkok. Instead, the route will be from Nong Khai to Laem Chabang Port via Nakhon Ratchasima, without passing through Bangkok.

Deputy Transport Minister Pol Lt-General Chatt Kuldiloke said the government wants to adjust the route of the high-speed train to allow goods from China and neighbouring countries, as well as the Northeast of Thailand, to reach Laem Chabang without having to go through Bangkok.

He also discussed rail width with executives of the State Railway of Thailand (SRT) and the Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and Planning. They agreed to a plan involving three tracks combining the high-speed train, which will use a standard gauge of 1.435 metres, with an ordinary train gauge of one metre. The SRT will study the technical problems and cost of construction to determine whether the project is feasible. The study would be completed by the end of this month, Chatt said.

SRT Governor Yuthana Thapcharoen said railways in Thailand currently use a one-metre gauge, and there are no tracks with a width of 1.435 metres. The SRT will further study whether conventional trains will be allowed to travel on the same track as the new high-speed train. The SRT needs to look at the whole picture, because goods transported to Bangkok come mostly from the North, Northeast and the South, Yuthana said.

The Transport Ministry plans the following high-speed rail routes for Thailand: Bangkok-Chiang Mai; Bangkok-Ubon Ratchathani; Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima; Bangkok-Hua Hin-Padang Besar; and Bangkok-Rayong. It is most likely that the public sector will construct the track and other basic infrastructure while the government will ask the private sector to invest in the high-speed rolling stock. A decision on whether the latter investment will be in the form of a joint venture or a concession will be made later.

According to a study by the Transport Ministry, a high-speed rail route from Bangkok to Chiang Mai covering a distance of 745 km will cost Bt230 billion, and from Bangkok to Rayong covering a distance of 221 km will cost Bt60.15 billion. The first phase of the Bangkok-Phitsanulok route, covering a distance of 382 km, will be completed in 2015 along with the Bangkok-Rayong route. The stretches from Bangkok to Nong Khai and from Bangkok to the southernmost provinces will require a gauge of 1.435 metres, allowing trains to travel at up to 200 kph.

A source from the ministry said an MOU on the project that Thailand sent to China has not made any progress, as China is waiting for more details from Thailand's new government before negotiations can proceed. Changing the route for passengers and freight from Nakhon Ratchasima to Laem Chabang without going through Bangkok is one adjustment that needs to be discussed, the source said.

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« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 05:16:13 AM »
INFRASTRUCTURE

Govt to move on high-speed rail projects

The Transport Ministry has vowed to press ahead with a plan to develop five high-speed railway routes as proposed by the former Democrat-led government, Transport Minister Sukumpol Suwanatat says.

The plan was approved by the previous government and endorsed by parliament.

The minister reaffirmed the current government's support for all five high-speed routes after an agreement was signed between China's Vice President Xi Jingping and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Thursday for China to develop the high-speed train project to run from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.

Government spokeswoman Thitima Chaisang said other routes would be added later. That the Bangkok-Chiang Mai line was given a priority revives hopes that the other four routes would still be developed. ACM Sukumpol said no objections had been raised to the original project to build five high-speed railway routes and so relevant agencies would start detailed discussions.

According to the minister, the 745km Bangkok-Chiang Mai route will cost about 230 billion baht; the 870km Bangkok-Ubon Ratchathani route will cost about 180 billion baht, the 615km Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima-Nong Khai route will cost about 200 billion baht, the 982km Bangkok-Hua Hin-Padang Besar (Malaysia) route will cost about 300 billion baht and the 221km Bangkok-Rayong route will cost about 70 billion baht.

Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and Planning director Soithip Traisuddhi said a committee will be set up to study the details of the projects and will present them to the cabinet for consideration.

Ms Soithip said Chinese investors are interested in backing three routes _ Bangkok-Chiang Mai, Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima-Nong Khai and Bangkok-Hua Hin-Padang Besar.

A source at the Transport Ministry said China wanted to invest in the route that will run from Bangkok to Nong Khai because just across the border from the Thai province, a Laos-China high-speed rail track is also planned to run from Vientiane to Kunming, the capital of China's Yunnan province.

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« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 03:29:04 PM »
The minister reaffirmed the current government's support for all five high-speed routes after an agreement was signed between China's Vice President Xi Jingping and Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Thursday for China to develop the high-speed train project to run from Bangkok to Chiang Mai.

Korat and the whole Northeast could have well used this boost in infrastructure of being first to get the high-speed railway. :(
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Consultants sought for high-speed-rail study
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2012, 06:47:47 AM »
Consultants sought for high-speed-rail study

The Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and Planning (OTP) is set to launch a bid to procure three consultants to conduct feasibility studies on each of three routes of the planned high-speed-rail project.

Pranot Suriya, deputy director-general of the OTP, said the total budget for hiring the three consultants was Bt300 million. The three routes they will study are Bangkok-Phitsanulok, Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima, and Bangkok-Hua Hin. The OTP is drawing up the terms of reference for the bid. The studies are expected to begin in June and take 14 months to complete.

The rail project is to use a standard gauge of 1.435 metres. The trains will have a top speed of 250 kilometres per hour.

The studies will also examine feasible project investments and whether the trains will transport both passengers and goods or only passengers.

A Transport Ministry source said Team Consulting Engineering and Management was expected to be one of the winners of the bid, given that it has experience and has won many consultation deals from the OTP in the past.

Pranot said the government had yet to announce how it will proceed with the planned Thailand-China high-speed-rail project linking Bangkok with Nong Khai and Padang Besar, which was initiated by the previous Democrat-led government.

He said the government would which of the two projects it would prioritise, pending the completed feasibility studies.

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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2012, 04:51:18 PM »
PM accelerates high-speed train

BANGKOK, 26 April 2012: The Ministry of Transport hopes to set up a supervisory committee on high-speed train development led by Prime Minister Yingluck who will act as its chairperson.

She has promised to fast track decisions a declaration that might add an element of speed to a project that has almost ground to a halt.

The ministry vows that at least one high-speed train line will open before the current government’s terms ends in about three and a half years.

Based on country’s railway developments in the past that is an optimistic time-frame, one that critics will say is almost impossible to meet.

China and Japan are both interested in the first project but details of the investment, work plan and technical assistance involved have still be negotiated. Based on past rail projects the initial negotiations before any work begins on the line could take two years to complete.  Also having two countries work on the projects could complicate matters.

Transport Minister Jarupong Ruangsuwan said a supervisory committee on a high-speed train development will be formed first.

Apart from the Prime Minister as its chairperson it will involve the Ministry of Transport director general as a secretary together with representatives from the State Railway of Thailand and the Office of Transport and Traffic Policy and Planning.

There will be five sub-committees on the following subjects: Drafting the framework of the country’s requirements; technical specifications and engineering; finance and investment; Added value projects and system operational management.

As for international partners, Japan has conducted a study, while China signed a Memorandum of Understanding and plans its own study in three months.

“The PM was very impressed with the efficiency of the high speed train system of the two countries, during her recent visit. Therefore she wants the project to speed up so it can be an important link at ASEAN level adding weight to Thailand’s gateway status to southwest China, Myanmar, Laos, Malaysia and Singapore.”

There are four planned high-speed train routes: Bangkok- Phitsanulok-Chiang Mai, 745 km, worth Bt229 billion; Bangkok-Nakhon Ratchasima-Nong Khai, 615 km, worth Bt201.45 billion; Bangkok-Pattaya-Rayong, 221 km, worth Bt72.27 billion (extension from the Airport Link line) and Bangkok-Hua Hin-Padang Besar, 982 km, worth Bt297.88 billion.

Deputy Transport Minister, Chatchart Sittipan, said most likely the first line would be go to the north or northeast. However, construction costs would be lower to the northeast as the route is straight and pretty flat (after a steep climb near Saraburi and Muak Lek up to the plateau and to the region’s gateway town of Nakhon Ratchasima).

He noted the terrain was tougher on the northern route that includes the country’s longest tunnel located near Lampang.

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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 05:02:03 PM »
She has promised to fast track decisions a declaration that might add an element of speed to a projectt    :lol :lol :lol

A Chinese built high speed railway! Now that would make for an interesting journey. At least the roads would look safer by comparison.

Korat would need a new station out of town. That's an opportunity, like the Skytrain link to Suvarnabhumi, to ignore the need for a connection with the town centre bus stations and railway station.

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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2012, 08:33:21 PM »
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Re: First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« Reply #12 on: May 20, 2012, 11:20:13 PM »
They're having a giraffe about this and it's been mooted many times before and abandoned for obvious reasons. What makes anyone think that they are capable of pulling something like this together with the SRT being one of the most corrupt, nepotistic and not to mention resistant to change departments there is here in Thailand.

If they want to renew the tracks and make it into a high-speed service then they are going to need about 5 times the actual cost, so as to line the pockets of every pathetic little governor and his crony's pockets that the line goes through their turf.

It'll be a case of "Hey piggies, it troughing time!"  ::)   

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Re: First high-speed railway will be going to Korat
« Reply #13 on: Yesterday at 06:07:32 AM »
Johnnie F thanks for posting the video.  Very interesting.  Will post some comments tonight,

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« Reply #14 on: Yesterday at 07:54:49 AM »
Do the plans go any further than talk and the video? If they hope to open one line during the present term of government the plans must be drawn up already, much of the land purchased and contractors already supplied with brown envelopes. Then, of course, there will be the study to assess the environmental impact of the construction works and the Court hearing to consider objections to the plans.

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« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 05:28:45 PM »
Thailand’s railways are generally in a poor state and mostly consist of a network of metre gauge single track lines.   So what can be done to improve the situation taking Korat to Bangkok as an example?  First, the route could be double tracked thereby greatly increasing the capacity for passenger and freight trains.  If the track is left as metre gauge then the highest speed for passenger trains on well maintained track is 160 km/h.  The typical maximum speed for freight trains is 120 km/h.  On a railway with these characteristics the passenger and freight services could co-exist without too many problems. 
But suppose we want to have high speed passenger services at 350 km/h?  Metre gauge track is incapable of supporting such speeds and so we have to go to Standard Gauge (1.435m).  Because of the high speeds it would not be safe to have any level crossings and so construction costs would be very high for all the necessary bridges, viaducts and flyovers.  Also, it would not be possible to mix the high speed passenger traffic with the 120 km/h freight trains.  The only possibility would be to make the railway four tracks wide with two for passengers and two for freight.  The land acquisition issues would be just horrendous.  No doubt a 350 km/h passenger service from Korat to Bangkok would be attractive but the fares would be at least 10 times the cost of the bus. The scheme might fly if Korat were a city of several million but as it stands Korat is just not big enough to provide sufficient customers.  I do not think you can beat going to the bus station, paying your 198 Baht and leaving on the bus just 10 minutes later.  I have seen mention of schemes for a high speed passenger service between Bangkok and Chiang Mai (about 700km).  However, experience from other countries suggests that beyond distances of 500-600km high speed rail is not competitive with the airlines. 
So, in conclusion, the most economically sensible solution would be to double track with metre gauge lines permitting a mix of freight and passenger traffic.  It is difficult to see any justification for high speed lines.  From a personal point of view I hope some development takes place soon as my present project (340 km of railway renewal from Ipoh to the Thai border at Padang Besar) come to an end in 2014.   
By the way I have an idea for a sure-fire rail project in Thailand.  If you want to participate in this exciting Ponzi Scheme investment opportunity please PM your bank details.