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Franklyb

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Opening a Website
« on: October 22, 2009, 09:03:25 AM »
I have been thinking for some time  now about opening a website.

I would like to hear some opinions, ideas of the pros and cons of doing so, the site i have in mind is a commercial site, preferably not linked to any other sites and would have to be a ready made package.

 how much would it cost etc.

theres a lot of techno freaks out there look forward to hearing your views.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #1 on: October 22, 2009, 10:19:42 AM »
It depends on what technical features you need. Just a site without stuff like a database as needed for most forums or blogs or content management systems you can open for free at

http://www.110mb.com

If you need features like FTP, MySQL, htaccess, sendmail etc. you gotta pay a little for the upgrade. Free is a site builder with ready designs you only need to choose and fill with words. At present they still do not force ads on your site and you can run your own Google Adsense to get rich. If you're a complete newbie you can seek help from qualified people on 110mb's forum, a great community.

Another is

http://www.zymic.com.

There you even get MySQL databases for free. That's a little more frequented by teenagers. It's good for practicing.

If you need a real domain like isaandetectives.com instead of a subdomain like isaandetectives.110mb.com or isaandetectives.uuuq.com etc.you should register one at a domainhost like godaddy.com, name.com etc and direct it at your site.

If you need a wordpress blog for free you do best at

http://wordpress.com

If you need to run that with your own domain like isaandetectives.com you can register it at a domainhost and direct there. But I think they'll charge you $10 a year for using your own domain, because you're not making advertising for them with your subdomain like isaandetectives.wordpress.com.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2009, 12:03:38 PM »
As JF says, the answer to your question depends on what you want. If this is your first website, you may find it difficult to understand the questions let alone come up with the answers.

Wordpress might suit you (free to download). It can do more than accommodate a blog. If you buy a premium theme for it you will be able to run a very nice commercial website.

You will need to buy a domain name, as you are no doubt already aware.

You will also need a host server arrangement. The Wordpress website recommend some. For $5-$7 per month (less if you sign up for longer) you can get a host who will install Wordpress for you.

The host and WP will give you a control panel to help you maintain your files.

There are some other bits of free software that you will need to download - ftp and html editor.

I suggest that you spend some time Google searching for guides and tutors on:

Wordpress
html
Blogging
Website Design.

Don't let them frighten you! It comes with time and practice.

If you want some links, PM me and I'll send them to you.

Franklyb

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2009, 01:31:04 PM »
I would like to thank the both of you for your time and advice, my dilemena is this, call me a lazy fart, or a dumb fart.

I am looking for a complete package were i do not have to do a thing only the content of the site.

The site is selling a product, which will have different business's part of the business though selling different products.

Any ideas and how much

dirtydog

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2009, 01:46:21 PM »
Basic 6 page site around 12,000baht, domain $10, hosting up to you.

Franklyb

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2009, 04:44:43 PM »
DD so is a basic package a complete package, or just the bare bones, for less informed on the board it could be of interest, thank you in Advance.

dirtydog

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2009, 05:19:31 PM »
You draw a picture on a bit of paper where you want stuff, supply the pics and written content, something like this was just under 12k baht.

sicho

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2009, 06:07:48 PM »
I am looking for a complete package were i do not have to do a thing.

Only an undertaker can offer that service.

Try www.isaanfunerals.com

sicho

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2009, 06:13:26 PM »
You draw a picture on a bit of paper where you want stuff, supply the pics and written content, something like this was just under 12k baht.

Looks like a piece of free blog software that has had THBworth of tinkering, DDGeorge. Did someone pay you THB12,000 or did you pay for it?

FB, beware of would be helpers that start to talk to you about Google Ads and how they can make you rich in two minutes.

You need also to learn about SEO.

Even if you don't want to do it yourself, you need to have some knowledge. There are many people out there who will rip you off if you are totally green.

dirtydog

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2009, 06:36:09 PM »
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Did someone pay you THB12,000 or did you pay for it?
What difference would that make?

sicho

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2009, 10:55:08 PM »
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Did someone pay you THB12,000 or did you pay for it?
What difference would that make?

Just wondering who was the mug.  ;) :-*

dirtydog

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2009, 11:32:11 PM »
How about you quoting a price and a link to a site that was done for that price?
At least then we can compare.

Franklyb

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2009, 08:58:03 AM »
Gentleman I know techno freaks are a bit touchy, but please no fighting here. ;D

I am just a simpleton looking for some good advice about websites,and being a lazy fart wanting to do it the easy way, with not muh work involved on my part. :-X

sicho

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2009, 09:30:19 AM »
Gentleman I know techno freaks are a bit touchy, but please no fighting here. ;D

I am just a simpleton looking for some good advice about websites,and being a lazy fart wanting to do it the easy way, with not muh work involved on my part. :-X

The easy way is to pay someone to do it all for you and risk paying for something that is no better than you could do yourself just by following the on line tutorials provided by, say, Wordpress or Movable Type. If you want a fully managed site, use a company not an individual because the latter may fall under a bus or disappear in some other way and leave you stranded. Up to you.

There's not much work to do that's not explained in great detail in the tutorials, blogs and forums. These guys want as many people as possible to use their stuff, not just developer chappies. If the content of your site will need to be changed or updated often (featuring a new product, for example), you will have to learn to do it yourself otherwise you will be paying a fortune to someone else for simple work.

If you want to find developers to at least set it up, do a Google search for 'wordpress press premium themes', find one that has a users' forum and look in that for developers who advertise their skills. There is a need for such people to set up and modify a theme (style) for you but you will be able to maintain the site yourself after that. Keep a developer on the side in case you run into problems.

Again, if you want some helpful links, PM me.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #14 on: October 23, 2009, 01:00:09 PM »
The "key" to your new website is the domain. Think about that very carefully before you register it. Make sure it  already does represent your business and the contents of your website. For example nobody would actually expect a candies shop at isaansugardaddies.com.  ;D

And avoid associations to other sites. If your site isn't recognized as a unique site, i. e. as not belonging to a group of sites with the same content and intention run by the same owner, it might be ignored no matter how good and unique its content and the business represented there actually is.  ;)

And it might be good to rather invest in some developing signifying top level domains than sticking with the .com like for example korat.tv instead of korat-tv.com. Costs a little more though.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2009, 09:31:55 AM »
Guys some good info that you have posted, i think what johnnie mentioned about Zymic is a very good suggestion, i need to do research i don't want to do a website and get lost half way through it.

Should you have any more suggestions for myself and others interested would be good to hear more.

such as mistakes when you first had your webite etc.

One thing i would be really interested in is how to secure you website.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 10:52:22 PM »
As a newbie you get all kinds of "experienced" people telling you to put as many keywords into your META tags as you can think of. And some actually follow that in their greed for ALL traffic and cram whole dictionaries in there. I was told about 20 good keywords are appropriate. Sometimes you can see sites opening unusually slow; that's when your browser has to wade through all those nonsensical keywords. When you open "page source" you can see them. Sure they might help you to get listed on Yahoo, Bing etc., but they don't get you to top positions on the lists of search results. And Google doesn't pay attention to them at all.  ;)

So, think about your priorities: a fast loading website or a fairly useless dictionary slowing down your website.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 11:17:39 PM »
Thanks for that info Johnnie F. I have always wondered why some sites load faster or slower than others even with apparently the same software setup. For example, Koratfarang.com and koratfart.com both use SMF but for me Koratfarang loads a lot quicker than Koratfart. Are there other reasons why one site might open faster or slower than another?

dirtydog

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 11:22:01 PM »
Location is most likely the reason you find one slower than the other, also how much of the site is cached in your browser.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2009, 11:25:20 PM »
Speedking I assume you are in America, koratfarang is hosted in the states, koratfart is hosted in Europe.

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Re: Opening a Website
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2009, 11:29:21 PM »
Why one site is loading faster than another can have lots of reasons, for example the file server, the database server, the present load on the servers, the location of the servers and your connection there, and last not least the software. You might have noticed that KF and Kft are not using the same software. KFt uses smf 2 RC1.2 and KF uses smf 1.1.3, which is just basic and does not offer as many features like the calendar and the info center with the list of recent posts or subforums and forum links for example. Or the RSS feeds, XHTML and WAP2 etc.

 



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