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Offline Fartie

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Competing sites
« on: March 24, 2009, 09:35:25 AM »
I really enjoyed the discussion on KF about opening a competing commercial site and using KF to advertise that project, but not allowing discussion or questions by locking it, abusing the power of a moderator for one's own commercial benefit. Sadder even that the admin also blocked that discussion. Did he misunderstand his own purported altruism as "somebody serving the community" when he kept the community from exchanging views on abuse?
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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2009, 12:52:50 AM »
I've watched KF for a little while now. My impression is that thread sums up what the KF forum is all about these days. Favourites, even those with mental disorders, can do what they want but anyone else posting will result in locking, deletion or banning. No way to run a community, surely.
 

Mango Maniac

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2009, 07:19:05 PM »
As people do more surfing more different sites are needed. Only by competition good standards can be developed. The farangs in Korat just jumped too fast to the only alternative to tv which had just too little to give to Korat.

Let's hope we're at a new beginning. Nothing against that certain site if it can go a little beyond just advertising of the admin's own ... (removed by request) business. The sparrows told me he tried to approach another webmaster in Korat to get his support, but seemingly his approach was done a too little offensive for one who wants support. Now how was that saying about "burning bridges"?  ;D
 

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2009, 12:08:36 AM »
Locking a thread doesn’t stop a discussion on a topic as that example shows. People who want to discuss the topic of the locked thread can just start a new thread of their own.

And what’s the problem with advertising on the forum if the forum admin allows it?
 

sicho

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2009, 01:32:11 AM »
Nothing against that certain site if it can go a little beyond just advertising of the admin's own law and land business. The sparrows told me he tried to approach another webmaster in Korat to get his support, but seemingly his approach was done a too little offensive for one who wants support. Now how was that saying about "burning bridges"?  ;D

Admin is not the owner of either the law or land business. The owner of the law business just acts as though he owns KF. The land business was sold a whole ago.
 

Mango Maniac

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2009, 10:49:54 AM »
Locking a thread doesn’t stop a discussion on a topic as that example shows. People who want to discuss the topic of the locked thread can just start a new thread of their own.

And if the admin shows disapproval of that discussion by locking that thread as well? Keep opening threads then?

I bet he didn't expect his avatar and company name to vanish from the articles when he deleted his account. ;)

And I bet he didn't expect his signature with the link to his site to vanish. That means a lot of backlinks Google will not count anymore towards the page rank of his site.  ;) That wasn't thought of as well!

Good advertisement ??? ??? ???
 

Mango Maniac

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2009, 10:59:02 AM »
Have a look at the big "cake" of users in Korat: ;D

 

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Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2009, 06:27:10 PM »
Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc. Yesterday this board had the second highest number of posts on an English language farang forum.

Koratfarang - 41
Koratfart - 6
Korat-Info (English) - 0
GrumpyExpat - 0
 

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Re: Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2009, 10:10:27 PM »
Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc. Yesterday this board had the second highest number of posts on an English language farang forum.

Koratfarang - 41
Koratfart - 6
Korat-Info (English) - 0
GrumpyExpat - 0

And how do you rate the quality of the posts' content  ???
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Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 09:49:15 AM »
Didn't read much of those posts on KF, so I cannot tell about the quality of their content. But isn't it striking that the boards using SMF software get posted to on a Saturday while phpBB3 isn't attractive that day?

Could it be the name "Simple Machines Forum", that gets people working their minds on a Saturday?  :D
 

Rattlesnake

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Re: Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2009, 10:19:01 AM »
Isn't silence golden?  :-X
 

halo

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Re: Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2009, 12:06:11 PM »
Isn't silence golden?  :-X

Silence on a forum is like a dead forum! ;)
 

Lung Jim

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Re: Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2009, 10:45:29 PM »
Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc. Yesterday this board had the second highest number of posts on an English language farang forum.

Koratfarang - 41
Koratfart - 6
Korat-Info (English) - 0
GrumpyExpat - 0

Maybe you should better count the words or lines for better comparison, Spider!  :D
 

Mango Maniac

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Re: Congratulations to koratfart.co.cc
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2009, 01:07:13 PM »
Alexa has this new widget since today: "Time on site"; tells you how much time people wasted on sites for reading:
 

Mitraparp Monkey

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2009, 02:25:50 PM »
Hi and thanks for the alert, Mango Maniac! ;D

Had a look at Alexa.com and gotta say I really love their new features.

Average time on site seems to be the most interesting:

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A measure of user attention.

The average number of minutes a user spends per day on koratfart.cc averaged over the past three months.

Note that if a user starts browsing in another browser tab while viewing koratfart.co.cc that time is not counted for koratfart. co. cc.

That's great to see which sites are just superficially glanced at and which are read in depth. Thank you, Alexa!

For our Korat web that means:

koratfart.co.cc - 62.1 min/day

grumpyexpat.com - 25.8 min/day

korat-info.com - 88.0 min/day

koratfarang.com - 9.8 min/day (That must be the time people spend posting  ;) )

thekoratpost.com - 1.4 min/day  :o
 

george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2009, 01:46:11 PM »
bout 1 in 2,500 people use alexa toolbar, you will find admins of most sites do as it boosts their stats on sites like alexa, on many busy forums you will find stats like the average visitor views 80 pages, those sites the moderators are also using alexa toolbar as most sites get 3 to 5 page views across the whole world wide spectrum.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Competing sites
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2009, 04:53:48 PM »
bout 1 in 2,500 people use alexa toolbar, you will find admins of most sites do as it boosts their stats on sites like alexa, on many busy forums you will find stats like the average visitor views 80 pages, those sites the moderators are also using alexa toolbar as most sites get 3 to 5 page views across the whole world wide spectrum.

You got a point there! So I can assume this board's figures aren't boosted by my toolbar, since it's down to 26 pageviews per visitor and 47.9 minutes average time on site. But the traffic rank of 698.385 over the last three months is smashing.  ::) Alexa's just a toy, but why shouldn't it be a toy? Not everybody likes playing Warcraft.  ;)
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george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2009, 05:11:11 PM »
26 is too high, by rights on an established website over 50 percent of visitors should come in on search engines and go to the page they clicked on in google etc, they may also look at another page or 2, you have to remember if they were using google to find something specific and the page they viewed may or may not contain the info they want, some will continue their search on google and some will have a quick look round the forum, but your normal visitor is not going to view 26 pages, people have to work for a living and don't have that sort of time to waste, on the bigger forums like my lovely thaivisa and that scum riddled teakdoor you will find they average 3 to 7 page views per visitor depending what is happening in the world.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Competing sites
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2009, 06:00:51 PM »
A local site you cannot measure by international standards. The only search strings to this barely more than three months old site are "koratfart", "korat fart", "koratfarts" etc., nothing else yet. So some guys heard the name and got curious. Maybe it'll turn into a useful site - maybe not. It's functional and nobody is pushing it to be successful. There are other forums attempting that, with less success I think.  8)
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george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2009, 06:15:23 PM »
All sites are international, its the www, you have a Korat related site hosted in Korea, google has given you a page ranking, 1 or 2, didn't think to check but noticed it was ranked on my toolbar, you have 48 entries in google which isn't very good, I can only assume there is no site map and you don't submit your pages to the search engines, or maybe smf is badly coded and hard for the bots, haven't pulled your meta tags yet so have no idea what you put in there.
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Competing sites
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2009, 06:21:54 PM »
Didn't submit it yet, neither did I enter any meta tags. Google gave us a PR of 0
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george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2009, 06:25:06 AM »
Quote from: mango somebody or other
And I bet he didn't expect his signature with the link to his site to vanish. That means a lot of backlinks Google will not count anymore towards the page rank of his site.  ;) That wasn't thought of as well!

Forums are dynamic pages, google likes static pages, those dynamic pages may not be re indexed in the next few years so those back links stay, the majority of posts on forums are not held by google as they are considered of no interest, ie 20 words and a link does not make a strong page, it is very rare for threads on forums to get any page ranking from google unlike static pages where it is expected to get ranking or you should be demanding your money back from whomever designed your pages and supplied the content, so basically backlinks from forum posts are pretty much worthless.

Koratfarang has 43,000 posts, but only 1,400 entries in google, so around 1 in 30 posts indexed?
 

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2009, 10:01:40 AM »
You're probably right! Only those dynamic pages don't exist anymore in their indexed location. I wonder how Google treats all the links broken by his change from html pages to Joomla? Everywhere you click a link to his site he posted before you get the message now:

Oops! This link appears to be broken.
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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Competing sites
« Reply #23 on: June 01, 2009, 02:50:07 PM »
Koratfarang has 43,000 posts, but only 1,400 entries in google, so around 1 in 30 posts indexed?

Google doesn't index posts, it indexes pages. If you set your board to 15 posts per page like KF those 43.000 posts would give 2866 pages - if every page had fully 15 posts, otherwise a lot more. So I assume Google considered a lot of their content not worth indexing.
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george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #24 on: June 01, 2009, 02:57:24 PM »
When you submit a sitemap you do it as posts and as threads and pages, this gives you more chance of something sticking, also you have to consider how often google visits threads and pages, lets say google has just visited this thread, it has now missed my fantastic and informative post, will google come back this month, next month, will this thread be too deep for google to find again, will my post forever be lost in the cyber world never to be found by google?
 

george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #25 on: June 01, 2009, 03:23:47 PM »
Last time google.co.th indexed the main page here is 28 พ.ค. 2009 13:53:15 GMT, you should check periodically how often you are indexed if your going to pay out the big bucks for a .com :)
 

george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #26 on: June 01, 2009, 03:27:27 PM »
Last time the newbies forum was indexed was 26 พ.ค. 2009 18:16:37 GMT.
 

Rod

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #27 on: June 01, 2009, 04:07:04 PM »
Pay out big bucks for a .com?

I was quoted less than US10/THB350 for a .com domain name.
 

george

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #28 on: June 01, 2009, 04:12:18 PM »
Sarcasm seems to be lost on the old gits in Korat Rod, can't understand why.
 

Rod

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Re: Competing sites
« Reply #29 on: June 01, 2009, 04:44:00 PM »
Lost on me too george - I'm just a young git
 

 



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