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FAA disregarded safety flaws during the certification of Boeing 737 MAX, sources

Started by KiwiCanadian, March 19, 2019, 07:39:01 AM

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Seattle - While the preliminary results of the Flight 302 investigation reveal more data connecting two recent Boeing 737 MAX crashes, the certification process of the 737 MAX by the US Federal Aviation Agency is under scrutiny.


This could get a little nasty me thinks

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Hi KC, many thanks for these two informative posts.  I have worked with System Assurance "experts" in the rail industry. Most of them have doctorates and are very good at churning out elaborate Fault Tree analyses.  However, most of them have little engineering expertise or any broad based System experience.  I suspect it is no different in the Aircraft industry.  These guys also seem to be completely oblivious of the need to work to an agreed timetable which probably led to the FAA to kick the problem down the road to Boeing.
If the old only could, if the young only knew.


I was group lead on Interior Design for the Bombardier CRJ 100/200 and then project lead for the CRJ interiors.
I know where your coming from, I had a liaison engineer on the shop floor as all changes had to be documented and approved. When I had a "NEW" engineer in the group I would asses his/her capabilities for a couple of weeks and also the train them on the way we engineered the interiors, if that person had problems visualizing the product I would send him out to my liaison engineer to help him with the concept of where and how the components fitted in the a/c. I even had one guy that came into the group and was very proud of the engineers ring that he got from university, I sent this engineer to the shop floor and a week later my  liaison engineer cam back to me and said we better get rid of this guy as he is a danger to himself, let alone the job. After another month I was able to pass him on to another group in the company.
And this is prevalent in our management too, every time I had a new boss I had to train him/her that we worked differently to the other groups.
The direct system specialist that we had signing off the engineering where always in direct contact with us and new what the product was, it was the next level up that we had problems with.
The problems that Boeing & FAA are having due to manpower is not only in the US its an industry in a major growth spurt right now and qualified personnel are hard to come by. As airlines are having trouble getting pilots then one only has to look at the rest of the iceberg...



Boeing to pay $2.5 billion to settle U.S. criminal probe into 737 MAX crashes
(Reuters) -Boeing Co will pay more than $2.5 billion in fines and compensation after reaching a settlement with the U.S. Department of Justice over two plane crashes that killed a total of 346 people and led to the grounding of its 737 MAX jetliner.

The settlement, which allows Boeing to avoid prosecution, includes a fine of $243.6 million, compensation to airlines of $1.77 billion and a $500 million crash-victim fund over fraud conspiracy charges related to the plane's flawed design.

Boeing said it would take a $743.6 million charge against its fourth-quarter 2020 earnings to reflect the deferred prosecution agreement, a form of corporate plea bargain.

The Justice Department deal, announced after the market close on Thursday, caps a 21-month investigation into the design and development of the 737 MAX following the two crashes, in Indonesia and Ethiopia in 2018 and 2019, respectively.

The crashes "exposed fraudulent and deceptive conduct by employees of one of the world's leading commercial airplane manufacturers," acting Assistant Attorney General David Burns said in a statement.

"Boeing's employees chose the path of profit over candor by concealing material information from the FAA concerning the operation of its 737 MAX airplane and engaging in an effort to cover up their deception," Burns said, referring to the Federal Aviation Administration.

The crashes have cost Boeing some $20 billion.

Lawyers for families of victims of the Ethiopian Airlines crash said the settlement strengthens civil litigation in Chicago, where Boeing is based. Boeing has already settled most lawsuits related to the Lion Air disaster in Indonesia.

Because of the crashes, the U.S. Congress in December passed legislation reforming how the FAA certifies new airplanes.

Representative Peter DeFazio, chairman of the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee, who oversaw a lengthy probe into the crashes, said the "settlement amounts to a slap on the wrist and is an insult to the 346 victims who died as a result of corporate greed."

He added: "Not only is the dollar amount of the settlement a mere fraction of Boeing's annual revenue, the settlement sidesteps any real accountability in terms of criminal charges."

Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

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