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« Reply #30 on: August 12, 2013, 11:24:21 PM »
Just found this.

How many abusers can you get in a 2.35 minute clip from a tv show and how blatant can the bastards get? Where was the supervision of minors that their parents may have taken for granted?


Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter: The Dressing Room Hell

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« Reply #32 on: August 16, 2013, 02:34:32 PM »
Michael Shrimpton makes a great many assertions without providing back-up for any of them. David Kelly killed by Germans??? The Ted Heath/Jersey/yacht story has been around for a long time but now having heard it from Mr. Shrimpton I am not inclined to believe it. Mr. Shrimpton seems to be a fantasist.
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« Reply #33 on: August 17, 2013, 12:58:08 AM »
I'll clear my name vows former Radio One DJ Dave Lee Travis as he's charged with 12 sex attacks over 30 years

    * Accused of 11 counts of indecent assault and a count of sexual assault
    * The offences are alleged to have taken place between 1977 and 2007
    * Charges relate to nine suspected victims aged between 15 and 29
    * Former BBC Radio One DJ to appear at court in London on August 23
    * DLT says he's 'disappointed police and CPS decided to bring charges'

Dave Lee Travis vowed to clear his name last night after he was charged with 12 sexual offences, some dating back to the 1970s.

The 68-year-old, one of Britain’s best known DJs, said he is ‘very much looking forward’ to proving his innocence.

The former Radio 1 and Top Of The Pops presenter is accused of  11 counts of indecent assault and one of sexual assault over a 30-year period from 1977.

The allegations relate to eight women aged between 18 and 29 at the time and a girl of 15.

Senior lawyers said no further action would be taken concerning another seven allegations.

Travis, who was charged under his real name David Patrick Griffin, will appear before Westminster magistrates next Friday.

He has vehemently protested his innocence since his initial arrest nine months ago.

Dressed in grey jeans, a white open-neck shirt and a striped jacket, he looked despondent as he returned last night to the £1million Buckinghamshire mansion he shares with his wife Marianne.

He said: ‘To say the least I am very disappointed that the police and CPS have decided to bring these charges. These allegations are not true and I think the only other thing I can add to that statement is that I am very much looking forward to actually clearing my name on this and I can’t say more than that.’

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I'll clear my name vows former Radio One DJ Dave Lee Travis as he's charged with 12 sex attacks over
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« Reply #34 on: August 17, 2013, 10:21:43 AM »
What a contrast of personalities:-  One the one side pervy Dave Lee Travis and on the other Aung San Suu Kyi.  Scary
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« Reply #36 on: October 01, 2013, 10:29:12 AM »
Here's more about Smith. It begins to open the door on what the British Establishment is getting away with.



Accusations of Abuse Against Cyril Smith MP


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« Reply #40 on: November 05, 2013, 08:22:27 AM »
Savile created a network of child traffickers and abusers. Surely, he must have also made use of the existing networks - police, parliamentarians, judges, Christian organisations, pervert Baden Powell's flag carriers and others. No mention of them so far.

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« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2013, 10:18:35 AM »
Listen to John Lydon's broad hint about Savile in the '70s:


John Lydon(Johnny Rotten)talks about Jimmy Savile in interview from 1978

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« Reply #42 on: December 23, 2013, 07:42:43 AM »
Additional charges for Rolf Harris (Can you guess what it is yet?):


http://news.sky.com/story/1186261/rolf-harris-faces-three-more-assault-charges

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« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2014, 09:00:20 AM »
William Roache is in Court. It's alleged that he sent a signed photograph to a 15 year old girl whom he had sexually assaulted in the toilets at Granada Studios.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25732224

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« Reply #44 on: February 04, 2014, 11:38:12 AM »
A rumour is circulating to the effect that the Yewtree officers have arrested another celebrity. His identity cannot yet be disclosed but some are suggesting that he is a well known entertainer whose squeaky clean heterosexual and religious public image has been protected for decades. The last time I believed the stories as to the identity of a previous arrested person they turned out to be incorrect.

I would be surprised if the latest arrest had anything to do with the person currently being named. He has based a long career on clean living, Christian belief, heterosexuality as evidenced by a public but short-lived friendship with a sports woman and, later, celibacy. If this image has been protected for several decades, why not continue until after his death at which time, as with Savile, hell could be let loose.

I have to wonder about the aims of Yewtree. The investigation into Savile that was forced into reality after decades of protection for the man must be an embarrassment to the police force as a whole. However, I notice that only people from the entertainment world are being arrested. Perhaps they are the sacrificial lambs being offered to us after the floodgates burst following Savile's death. After all, these people became part of the British paedophile community only through their connection with Savile. They are not, by and large, greatly admired his other market, the Establishment.

Wikipedia has a superficial piece on the goings on at Elm Guest House:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal

However, other websites have more to say. Here's one example:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5188/detectives-investigate-use-of-staging-post-for-elm-guest-house

Another website has published a list of alleged adult visitors to Elm but there's no way of knowing whether it's genuine.

I believe that organised paedophilia in the UK goes way beyond celebrities and politicians but who dares to suggest that senior police officers, lawyers and royals might also be involved? Curious it is, though, that not one has been mentioned by Yewtree despite Savile's alleged connections with some of them.

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« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2014, 02:41:50 PM »
Saf, whats your take on Saville and his best mates, Prince Charles and Prince Phillip.
Do you think the way the whole Saville situation was handled (compare it to say Michael Jackson), has anything yo do with his high profile buddys?

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« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2014, 03:27:19 PM »
Alf, I don't know any more about Savile's royal connections than can be found on the internet. We have to make up our own minds.

Savile was not quietly pushed into obscurity like some other suspects. Neither was he tried and convicted like Jonathan King.

http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/c_famous_crime_cases/a_jonathan_king/crime_vaults/

I remember comments at the time of King's conviction that there was another high profile DJ suspected of paedophilia but he was not named and no action was taken against him. Now, I wonder who that was.

I can't accept that the Savile dirt was kept quiet for the sole benefit of the BBC. If he had been arrested, many other icons may have fallen with him. It's safe now to deal with the complaints against him that were dismissed at the time because he isn't here to spill the beans and the investigating authorities can control what reaches the public ear.

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« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2014, 04:59:31 PM »
First time I heard about him Saf. Another pretty sick dude, a friend of Saville I presume?

It just seems the whole Saville thing was under played.
I mean someone like Hugh Grant picks up a brazzer for a shag. Before you know it his face is everywhere and he is portrayed as some sex fiend. And many other celebs have been in the media for a lot less.
Saville on the other hand, well we don't know the extent of his actions, but definitely much worse than picking up a hooker.
It doesn't make sense that there wasn't up roar years ago!


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« Reply #49 on: August 16, 2014, 12:35:06 PM »
Cliff Richard set to fly home from Portugal within days to face historic sex abuse allegations

IT has emerged more people have come forward with information following the police raid at Cliff's £3million penthouse in Berkshire. Police would not comment on nature of fresh information.

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« Reply #50 on: August 16, 2014, 03:31:41 PM »
I hope the plods get in big trouble over this.  All the world's TV cameras were waiting to capture the scene as the penthouse was raided.  Unfortunately the plods had neglected to inform Cliff Richard.  So who tipped off the media if it was not the plods?
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« Reply #51 on: August 16, 2014, 04:12:20 PM »
I agree TT and heads must surely roll in the upper echelon's of the Berkshire Police.  IMO no conceivable reason for the Press to be in attendance when the Police raided Sir Cliff's house. Disgraceful !
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« Reply #52 on: August 17, 2014, 08:51:07 AM »
Vaz and Whittingdale should call in South Yorkshire Police over the Cliff Richard raid


By Paul Goodman

Even an organisation as well-resourced as the BBC doesn’t keep helicopters whirring away on standby – poised to dash its journalists to wherever a story may take them.  Booking a “chopper”, arranging where it will go and when, confirming how long it will need to be in the air for – all this needs intricate planning.  It is therefore hard to see how anyone other than South Yorkshire Police could have tipped off BBC journalists about the place and timing of their search of Sir Cliff Richard’s home on Thursday – since others will have known about the warrant but not the timing.  That the BBC was able to unleash a barrage of reports across its networks on TV, radio, the net and social media also strongly suggests a carefully planned joint operation.


None the less, let us for a moment presume that South Yorkshire police did not tip the BBC off, and turn to their statement.  They say that when contacted by BBC journalists with information about an investigation, they decided to “work with them in order to protect the integrity” of the probe – adding that “since the search took place a number of people have contacted the police to provide information and we must acknowledge that the media played a part in that, for which we are grateful”.

In other words (and plainer English): “Well, now.  You complain that the media was tipped off about the search.  But it’s great that they were!  You see, people saw all that coverage and some contacted us afterwards.  With information.  Nudge, nudge.  Wink, wink.  Know what I mean.”

Is this a new police operational procedure in South Yorkshire?  That the police uses the BBC to help publicise searches?  If so, will other media be treated in the same way?  Will South Yorkshire police now go further, and take adverts out in the paper and on the net, promoting any search that they happen to be carrying out?  And if not, why not – since such searches can have the happy consequence of people coming forward with information?

The search of Sir Cliff’s home is not part of Operation Yewtree (though the allegation against him is a claim of sex assault involving a boy under the age of 16 in 1985).  But the story of Yewtree so far is worth bearing in mind.  It has had its successes in court: Rolf Harris, Max Clifford, Stuart Hall.  But it has had its failures, too: Dave Lee Travis was found not guilty (though he awaits a retrial on two charges on which a verdict could not be agreed), and a string of celebrities has not been charged – Jimmy Tarbuck, Freddie Starr, Jim Davidson.  They will never fully recover from the reputational damage inflicted on them – a point made in his own case by the late, great Alistair McAlpine over his outrageous treatment by Sally Bercow.

In other words, it should be a foundation of police operations that reputations are not unfairly ruined, that searches are proportionate (there is no reason to believe a warrant was required in Sir Cliff’s case at all), and that the principle that a man is innocent until or unless he is proved guilty is respected. Child abuse is a terrible evil.  The unproven accusation that Sir Cliff was involved in it – and at a Billy Graham rally, of all places – could scarcely be more damaging to him. The police say that they worked with the BBC in order to “protect the integrity” of their probe into the case.  But there is a stinging irony in this otherwise meaningless phrase – since the manner in which the search was carried out has weakened that integrity, not strengthened it.

The police’s justification of the handling of the search is scandalous.  There seems to have been no case for a warrant at all.  South Yorkshire’s Police Commissioner should investigate.  And Keith Vaz and John Whittingdale should call in the Chief Constable before their Select Committees as soon as the Commons returns.
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« Reply #53 on: August 17, 2014, 02:35:51 PM »
Police admit having contact with journalists, following criticisms press helicopters were in place before officers arrived

Police Admission Over Cliff Richard Home Search

South Yorkshire Police have admitted working with the media before searching Sir Cliff Richard's home in Berkshire.

They said when they were contacted by BBC journalists with information about an investigation, they decided to "work with them in order to protect the integrity" of that probe.

They added: "Since the search took place a number of people have contacted the police to provide information and we must acknowledge that the media played a part in that, for which we are grateful".

Sir Cliff, 73, has said he did not know officers were planning to search his penthouse apartment on the Charters Estate in Sunningdale and only learnt about it through media reports.

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« Reply #54 on: August 18, 2014, 04:31:22 PM »
Cliff Richard fans in Facebook bid to get star's single 'I Still Believe In You' to No1 as sex abuse probe continues

SIR Cliff denies a claim he sexually assaulted a boy under 16 almost 30 year ago and his faithful fans are showing their support with the plan to get his 1992 hit to the top of the charts.

FANS devoted to sex-abuse suspect Sir Cliff Richard are buying one of his songs so it tops the charts.

Hundreds on Facebook and Twitter pledged to purchase the singer’s 1992 hit I Still Believe In You within minutes of the plan being hatched.

Its lyrics include: “Other dreams may turn to dust, But I don’t care, if you’ll be there I’ll always trust, ‘Cause I believe in all my heart and soul, This dream we share is true, And I still believe in you”.

Sir Cliff, 73, denies a claim he sexually assaulted a boy under 16 at a rally by US evangelist Billy Graham at Bramall Lane in Sheffield in 1985. The singer is at his vineyard on Portugal’s Algarve, preparing to return to the UK for questioning by police.

Last week, police raided his £3million home in Sunningdale, Berkshire and yesterday it emerged they have been investigating a sex abuse claim against the star for more than a year .

Sue Dungworth, who runs the Lincolnshire and East Yorkshire fan club, said getting the song high in the charts would “reinforce that his real fans are behind him and be a statement to the rest of the world.”

Yesterday, the star was laughing and joking with pals at his 16-acre estate in the village of Guia. At midday he played tennis with a friend for around an hour. Throughout the day, fans came to his house to show support for their idol.

Patricia Quinn-Jones, 60, and her daughters Sophie, 27, and Samantha, 33, had their pictures taken outside the singer’s villa.

They said they would each download the song as part of the campaign. Sophie said: “I will buy it on iTunes and CD.”

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Cliff Richard case: BBC and police face parliamentary inquiry into coverage
Tony Hall and South Yorkshire chief constable David Crompton to give evidence to MPs over force’s handling of investigation


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The BBC has been accused of leading a witch-hunt against the 72-year-old singer. Photograph: Alex Huckle/GC Images
The BBC director general, Tony Hall, and South Yorkshire police are facing a parliamentary inquiry over the leaking of highly sensitive information about the investigation of Sir Cliff Richard as an independent inquiry into the affair was announced.

Hall and David Crompton, the South Yorkshire chief constable, were told on Monday to be ready to give evidence to MPs over the force’s handling of the inquiry into historical child abuse allegations.

Keith Vaz, the Commons home affairs committee chairman, wrote to the pair demanding answers, adding that he was “concerned by the methods or process” followed by the corporation over its live coverage of the police search.

The BBC has been accused of leading a witch-hunt against the 72-year-old singer after it was apparently tipped off about the timing of the police raid on Richard’s £3.5m Berkshire residence last Thursday. Richard, who remains on holiday in Portugal, has vehemently denied any wrongdoing over an allegation of sexual abuse on a boy under 16 at a Christian rally in Sheffield in 1985.

In a letter seen by the Guardian, Vaz pressed Hall to explain how the broadcaster first learned about the planned police search and who authorised a news helicopter to beam the raid live on television. Vaz said in the letter: “We understand and support the right of the media to report matters in the public interest but are concerned by the methods or process that may be followed to garner this information.”

As the fallout from the search continued on Monday, Shaun Wright, South Yorkshire’s police and crime commissioner, summoned Crompton to an urgent meeting to explain the events leading up to the search. It is understood that the meeting is not a formal interview but is a key part of the inquiry into the events that led to the police search of Richard’s residence.

A BBC spokesperson said: “We have received the letter and will respond in due course. Mr Vaz understands and supports the right of the media to report matters in the public interest. The BBC’s editorial independence is protected by our royal charter and is highly valued by the public. The BBC does not name its sources, nor is it appropriate to go into detail around editorial processes.”

Wright also said that Andy Trotter, former chief constable of the British Transport police and former chair of the national police communications advisory group, would lead an independent investigation to determine whether South Yorkshire police’s actions complied with media guidelines issued by the College of Police Guidance.

BBC insiders revealed that its coverage of the raid was approved by the deputy news director, Fran Unsworth, and came amid increased pressure in its news operation to beat rivals to exclusive stories. James Harding, the former Times editor who is the BBC’s director of news and current affairs, was on holiday last week.

Unsworth and members of the BBC’s legal department contacted news teams to give the reporters the all-clear 10 minutes before its coverage was aired. The reports prompted criticism from politicians and public figures, including former BBC broadcaster Michael Parkinson, and its legality was questioned by the human rights lawyer Geoffrey Robertson.

Harding wants BBC News to be breaking more stories, setting the pace and “driving the daily agenda”. There was praise for the BBC reporter Dan Johnson, who got the scoop, but also reservations among some that the live helicopter footage had been over the top. A BBC spokeswoman said: “A BBC journalist approached South Yorkshire police with information about the investigation.

“We followed normal journalistic practice and agreed not to publish a story that might jeopardise a police inquiry. We have also confirmed that South Yorkshire police were not the original source for the story.”


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« Reply #56 on: August 20, 2014, 12:56:05 PM »
BRITISH Police may have acted corruptly or breached ethical standards by giving the BBC advance notice of a raid on Cliff Richard's home, a former policing minister has said.

Nick Herbert said that South Yorkshire police and the BBC had "serious questions to answer" after the corporation filmed a raid on the star's home in Berkshire.

He said it was hard to believe the person who had initially "tipped off" the BBC was not connected to the inquiry, adding that they may have acted in an "ethically wrong" or corrupt way.

Tony Hall, the Director-General of the BBC, and David Crompton, the chief executive of South Yorkshire Police, have been summoned to appear before MPs to explain how BBC knew about the raid. The corporation has so far received 480 complaints over its coverage of the raid on the singer's home, which included helicopter footage of officers arriving at the flat in Berkshire and images of police inside searching the singer's possessions.

Richard (73), has been accused of molesting a young boy at a Billy Graham rally in 1985, which he strongly denies. South Yorkshire Police have said it was approached by the BBC weeks before the planned raid and, fearing the broadcaster would jeopardise the investigation if it ran a story about it, decided to cooperate by agreeing to give the BBC advance warning of the date of the search.

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However, Mr Herbert, the Conservative MP for Arudnel, said serious errors of judgment had been made and that Richard should not have been named prior to an arrest or charge.

He told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "And I think there are serious questions to answer both on the part of the police about how this information got into the public domain, but also by the BBC for its editorial judgment in the way it then interacted with the police and decided that it was appropriate, for instance, to send a helicopter and film these events."

He added: "If South Yorkshire Police say that it was not them that tipped off the BBC, something the BBC has confirmed, then I accept that. But somebody tipped off the BBC and it's difficult to believe that that wasn't somebody who was in some way connected with these investigations. So it might have been another force.

"If that person provided information to the BBC for payment, then that is corruption," he said. (© Daily Telegraph, London)

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