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Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« on: September 30, 2012, 11:09:39 AM »
Whether you liked him or not the guy did tremendous work for charities.......RIP Sir Jim
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2012, 11:50:18 AM »
Whether you liked him or not the guy did tremendous work for charities.......RIP Sir Jim

Especially those for children? Perhaps it was a cover or he was required to do it in return for protection. No amount of charity work balances even one child abuse offence.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2012, 02:36:46 AM »

Jimmy Savile accused of sexually assaulting girls on ITV1 documentary

ITV1 is to air a documentary featuring claims that Jimmy Savile sexually assaulted teenage girls in the 1970s.

Several women have alleged that the TV presenter, who died last year, abused them as underage teenagers, the Radio Times reports.

The women's interviews will feature in the programme, which is due to be broadcast on October 3 as part of ITV1's 'Exposure' documentary strand.

An ITV spokesman explained that the show was still being edited and refused to comment on reports that the alleged incidents - said to range from indecency to unlawful sex - involved girls as young as 13.

Former police detective and child protection expert Mark Williams-Thomas, who hosts On the Run, conducted the investigation.

Savile's friends and family have previously insisted that he wasn't a sexual predator.

The BBC had been investigating claims for Newsnight relating to the CPS/police investigation which it was unable to substantiate. The corporation told Digital Spy it did not go ahead with the broadcast for editorial reasons.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 03:55:55 AM »
Sir Jimmy Saville defended paedophile pop star Gary Glitter saying 'he did nothing wrong' and calling child porn just 'dodgy films'
In a 2009 interview Savile appears to suggest Glitter was the real victim in the child porn scandal as he had only used the images for his own ‘gratification’ and had not tried to sell them on.

The forthcoming television documentary that alleges Sir Jimmy Saville sexually abused schoolgirls during the height of his fame is also set to show the late television personality defending paedophile pop star Gary Glitter.

Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Saville is set to show a interview in which Savile comes to the defence of Gary Glitter, who was convicted of downloading pornographic images of children as young as two in 1999. Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was later jailed for three years in 2006 for molesting two girls aged 11 and 12 in Vietnam and forced to sign the sex offenders register.

In the interview, conducted with a journalist in 2009, Savile appears to suggest that Glitter was the real victim in the child porn scandal as he had only used the images for his own ‘gratification’ and had not tried to sell them on.

In the interview Saville says: “Now Gary, all he did was take his computer into PC World to get it repaired…They went into his hard drive, saw all these dodgy pictures and told the police and the police then, 'Oh we've got a famous person ... Oh my goodness, yeah we'll have them'.

“But Gary has not sold 'em, has not tried to sell 'em, not tried to show them in public or anything like that. It were for his own gratification. Whether it was right or wrong is, of course, it's up to him as a person. But they didn't do anything wrong but they are then demonised.”

“And of course, if you ever said to that copper, what’s Gary Glitter done wrong? Well nothing really. He’s just sat at home watching these dodgy ,dodgy films. He was like that but he wasn’t public and he didn’t do anything.”

Exposure: The Other Side of Jimmy Savile, which is due to be screened on Wednesday night, will detail claims from women that the late television personality sexually abused school girls in his Rolls-Royce and at BBC Television Centre. The allegations date back to the 1970s.

ITV said the programme, presented by former detective Mark Williams-Thomas, features contributions from several women who claim that Sir Jimmy was a sexual predator who sexually assaulted them while they were under-age.

One woman alleges that she was raped by the DJ and another says she was asked to perform a sex act on him.

ITV said one of the contributors explained how she was too frightened to speak out while Sir Jimmy was alive. They said the programme will allege that the broadcaster preyed on teenagers whom he invited to appear on his TV shows.

One 14-year-old girl tells the programme how she met Sir Jimmy at a school in Surrey in 1974 and he assaulted her in his caravan which was parked in the school grounds.

Speaking to ITV’s Daybreak programme this morning, broadcaster Paul Gambaccini added to the allegations, claiming the star used his charity work and ‘imperial personality’ within show business to prevent his private life being exposed.

Gambaccini said his former Radio 1 colleague played tabloid newspapers “like a Stradivarius” in order to keep the abuse secret.

ChildLine founder Esther Rantzen, who worked for the BBC during the 1970s, told the programme that she now believes Sir Jimmy sexually abused under-age girls, after seeing the fresh evidence from their interviews.

”We all blocked our ears to the gossip…We made him into the Jimmy Savile who was untouchable, who nobody could criticise. Jim'll Fix It was for children. He was a sort of God-like figure. Everybody knew of the good that Jimmy did and what he did for children. And these children were powerless“, she said.

The BBC responded to reports that inappropriate behaviour by Sir Jimmy was an “open secret” at the corporation by saying it found no evidence of any misconduct by the broadcaster.

Roger Foster, Savile’s nephew, said his family were “disgusted and disappointed” that the allegations are being made when he is no longer around to defend himself, adding that he is concerned at the potential damage to his uncle’s charities, as well as Savile’s reputation and legacy.

”I just get so disgusted and disappointed by it. The guy hasn't been dead for a year yet and they're bringing these stories out. It could affect his legacy, his charity work, everything. I'm very sad and disgusted”, he said.

”I just don't understand the motives behind this. I just think it's very, very sad you can say these things after someone's died and the law says you can't defend yourself when you're dead.“



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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 08:04:33 AM »
A common characteristic of paedophiles is that they see nothing wrong with what they do. They will go so far as to say that the laws protecting minors are wrong and even that the children 'ask for it'. They are so arrogantly sure that they are right that they will say so in public.

Failure to see the harm they do and to show any remorse is a common characteristic of any psychopath.

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Re:Jimmy Saville BBC chief says sorry - victims - alleged sex abuse
« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2012, 07:07:23 PM »
BBC "Sorry" About Jimmy Savile Abuse. That's All Right Then!

BBC chief says sorry to victims of alleged sex abuse by Savile

 THE BBC director-general has apologised to victims of Jimmy Savile's alleged sex abuse and pledged that the corporation will hold its own inquiry following a police probe.

George Entwistle, who started in his new role only last month, spoke of deep regret about the ordeals of the women involved in the "awful allegations", and said there would be a "comprehensive examination" of what went on.

The late radio and TV presenter has been accused by a growing number of women of sexual abuse over a number of years.

He spoke out after Prime Minister David Cameron called for the "truly shocking" allegations to be fully investigated.

The BBC said last week it would work with the police in examining the claims, and Mr Entwistle wrote to staff on Friday urging them to come forward with information.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's 'Today' programme yesterday, he said: "These are awful allegations that have been made, and they are criminal allegations.

"The first thing I want to say is that the women involved here have gone through something awful . . . and I would like to apologise on behalf of the organisation to each and every one of them.

"When the police have finished everything they have to do, and when they give me an assurance that there is no danger of us in any way compromising an investigation, I will take it further and ensure that any outstanding questions are answered properly."

A growing number of women have come forward to claim they were either abused -- many of them while under-age -- or that they saw others who were victims.

Several former colleagues have told how they were aware of rumours about the former 'Top Of The Pops' presenter.

Unease about the claims has led to a number of memorials to the star being removed. It was announced yesterday that an inscription on a wall of Leeds Civic Hall in recognition of his charity work will be taken down.

A street sign in Scarborough, North Yorkshire, was also taken away in the past few days.


Mr Entwistle said any BBC inquiry would take place after the police had conducted their investigations.

He said: "At the heart of what went on are a series of criminal allegations about the behaviour of Sir Jimmy Savile.

"The way to deal with those is to make sure that the police, who are the only properly constituted authority for dealing with criminal investigations, are allowed to make the examinations and inquiries they need to make."

Any BBC probe, he added, would examine the "broad question of what was going on and whether anybody around Jimmy Savile knew what was going on".

Mr Entwistle said Savile was widely regarded as a "bit peculiar", but he said if anyone had been directly aware of the allegations they should have spoken up.

"It does seem to me that if people knew, they'd seen something themselves or been told something directly or had evidence of his behaviour, then there was an enormous obligation on them to have done something about it."

He said the BBC's child protection policy would "absolutely stop" access for people in Savile's position to under-18s on BBC premises, a reference to suggestions that the former Radio 1 presenter invited young girls to his dressing room.

Mr Entwistle said: "It's very important that people don't think the BBC of today is anything like in character managed the way it was at the time."

Former Radio 1 DJ Liz Kershaw told over the weekend how when she joined Radio 1 in 1987 -- the year Savile left -- his behaviour was an "open secret".

And she described how she was routinely groped by another presenter while she was on the air.

Broadcaster Janet Street-Porter previously revealed that she was aware of rumours about Savile's alleged abuse of under-age girls when she worked at the BBC in the late 1980s.

TV and radio presenter Sandi Toksvig has also told how she was groped on air by a "famous individual" 30 years ago.

Ms Toksvig, who declined to name the celebrity, said when she informed other staff what had happened they thought it was funny.

The police said they were contacting all individuals who have made claims about the late presenter and should know how many victims there are some time this week.

Scotland Yard is currently considering a number of claims, including a historic rape allegation referred to Met officers by Surrey Police.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2012, 07:43:56 PM »
What you have to understand there is a politically correct element in the UK and saying sorry seems to be the latest think to do. And of course makes everything right.
The real question is why were all these things covered up in the first place ???

Sorry seems to be the easiest word, Dave
PUBLISHED: 23:37, 10 September 2012 | UPDATED: 08:11, 11 September 2012
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Call Me Dave will stand up in the House of Commons tomorrow and apologise to the families of the 96 Liverpool fans who died in the Hillsborough disaster in 1989.
His statement of ‘regret’ will coincide with the publication of a new report into the causes of the appalling tragedy that unfolded on the overcrowded terraces at the Lepping’s Lane End.
Let’s hope that the findings of the independent inquiry, chaired by the Bishop of Liverpool, James Jones, will finally put the matter to rest.

Tragedy: 96 Liverpool fans died in the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, which occurred during the semi-final FA Cup tie between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest
Families, friends and those who were there on the day have waited 23 long years for answers. They won’t be satisfied until someone is called to account, preferably in handcuffs.
A 1990 inquiry by Lord Justice Taylor laid the blame for the loss of life squarely at the feet of the police, but this wasn’t enough to quench the thirst for retribution.
Unless the inquiry names specific individuals and organisations it believes to be responsible, the sense of injustice will continue to fester.
Cameron’s statement will come in response to demands from campaigners. But what purpose will it serve?
Soothing words from the Prime Minister will not salve the hurt, which burns as fiercely today as it did almost a quarter of a century ago in the immediate aftermath of the disaster.
The Hillsborough campaigners want prosecutions, not platitudes.
In the event of the inquiry turning up something criminal that has remained hidden for 23 years, the law will have to take its course.
There was no need for Call Me Dave to involve himself. He should have left it to the Bishop of Liverpool, a man trusted and admired in the city.

A memorial service marks the 20th anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster. A new report is due which will shed light on the causes of the tragedy
Cameron is on a hiding to nothing. Unless he can promise prosecutions, which he can’t, he will inevitably be accused of betraying the 96.
Does he really believe that a few well-chosen words of commiseration from a Bullingdon Club Tory toff will resonate on Merseyside?
But when Cameron signalled that he intended to be the ‘heir to Blair’, he wasn’t kidding. This is exactly the kind of stunt Blair would have pulled.
After the ‘success’ of his stomach-churning ‘People’s Princess’ routine, Blair embraced empathy big time. He apologised for everything from slavery to the Irish potato famine.
Gordon Brown even tried to get in on the act, laughably, issuing a formal apology to children forcibly evacuated to Canada during World War II.

Regret: David Cameron will stand up in the House of Commons and apologise to the families of the 96 Liverpool fans who died in the disaster
Now Dave’s picked up the bouncing ball of cost-free compassion. He’s already said sorry for Bloody Sunday, which happened when he was five.
You might have thought that an inquiry which lasted 12 years and cost British taxpayers the thick end of £200 million was apology enough.
Mind you, if Blair can apologise for the treatment of the Aborigines by the early English settlers in Australia, Cameron has a smorgasbord of contrition from which to choose.
The Peterloo massacre, the Highland Clearances, the Tolpuddle Martyrs.
Go for it, Dave.
Contrary to what Elton John would have you believe, in the wonderful world of Westminster, sorry seems to be the easiest word.
Politicians have no problem apologising for something horrible that occurred before they came to office — or, in some cases, before they were even born — and for which they can’t be blamed.
It’s just a pity Cameron can’t be bothered to apologise for some of the things for which he is responsible: failing to win a majority at the last election; appointing Vince Cable as Business Secretary; breaking his promises on a European referendum and yuman rites. And that’s just for starters.
Still, maybe there’s method in his madness. This could be a cynical ploy to distance himself from Boris Johnson, who is making no secret of his determination to replace Cameron as Conservative leader and Prime Minister.
You may recall that when Boris was combining the job of editing The Spectator with being a Tory MP, he was ordered to Liverpool by Michael Howard to apologise in person for an editorial accusing the city of wallowing in self-pity and victim status.
Perhaps Dave believes that by wringing his hands over Hillsborough he can put ‘clear blue water’ between himself and Boris.
In which case, I fear he may be horribly mistaken.
The only clear blue water they have for Old Etonian Conservative politicians in Liverpool is in the middle of the Mersey.

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Re: Jimmy Savile headstone is removed in Scarborough
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2012, 11:13:27 AM »
The gravestone of Sir Jimmy Savile has been removed from a Scarborough cemetery.

The gravestone had been unveiled in September

His family said they were dismantling the triple headstone memorial "out of respect to public opinion" following allegations he sexually abused girls.

Scotland Yard said it is pursuing 120 separate lines of inquiry and there could be 30 victims.

Work to remove the stone - which bears the inscription "It was good while it lasted" - finished around midnight.

A family spokesman said the decision had been made due to "the impact the stone remaining there could have on the dignity and sanctity of the cemetery".

Sir Jimmy had a long association with Scarborough and was buried there after his death, aged 84, in October 2011.

A spokeswoman for Scarborough Borough Council said: "We have been advised by the funeral directors, Joseph A Hey and Son, acting on behalf of Jimmy Savile's family, that the headstone at Woodlands Cemetery has been removed."

The Jim'll Fix It and Top Of The Pops presenter was buried in a gold coffin at a 45-degree angle at the cemetery, facing the sea, at his own request.

The coffin was later encased in concrete as a "security measure" amid speculation about its contents.

Although he was buried in November 2011, the triple headstone was only unveiled last month.

Earlier on Tuesday, the Metropolitan Police said they were pursuing 120 separate lines of inquiry after recording eight allegations against the Leeds-born entertainer, including two accusations of rape.

Plaque vandalised
The investigation follows claims made about the BBC broadcaster in an ITV documentary last week.

BBC Director General George Entwistle has promised a "comprehensive examination" of the allegations concerning Sir Jimmy's time at the corporation.

Mr Entwistle said all "outstanding questions" would be addressed after the police had finished their inquiries.

The removal of the headstones comes days after a footpath sign in Scarborough commemorating Sir Jimmy was taken down by the borough council.

A plaque outside his flat in Scarborough was also taken down last week after the words "rapist" and "paedophile" were written on it

Leeds City Council has removed his name from an inscription on a wall commemorating high profile citizens at the city's Civic Hall.

And a wooden statue of Sir Jimmy which stood outside Scotstoun Leisure Centre in Glasgow was also removed from public display after the allegations were broadcast last week.


The gravestone is also inscribed with verses composed by a family friend
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Re: Jimmy Savile sex abuse inquiry 'to focus on Leeds hospital'
« Reply #8 on: October 12, 2012, 12:30:25 AM »
A Leeds hospital where Sir Jimmy Savile worked as a volunteer will be part of investigations into alleged sexual abuse by the DJ, police have confirmed.

Savile volunteered at Leeds General Infirmary (LGI) in the 1960s and 1970s, and continued his charity work there until his death in October 2011.

One former patient told the BBC she had seen Savile abuse a fellow female patient who was "incapacitated".

Leeds Teaching Hospitals Trust said it would help police if asked to do so.
'Long association'

The Metropolitan Police, which is handling the case, said it could not confirm the specific lines of inquiry it would be following up at the LGI.

A Leeds Teaching Hospitals Trust spokesman said it was "shocked" at the nature of the serious allegations being made against Savile.

It was concerned about those allegations in view of the star's "long association" with hospitals in the city.

"We did not have any complaints about Jimmy Savile's behaviour during the time he was a volunteer and charity supporter at Leeds General Infirmary or at any of our other hospitals," the spokesman said.

"Any evidence about alleged criminal acts should be referred to the police so they can look into them. Leeds Teaching Hospitals will, of course, assist the police in any investigation if we are asked to do so."

June Thornton, a patient at the LGI in the 1970s, told BBC Look North she had witnessed Savile come into her ward and abuse a female patient who was incapacitated.

"Jimmy Savile came in and kissed her. I thought at the time that he was a relative," she said.

"But then he started kissing her neck and running his hands up and down her arms, and then he started to molest her."

Mrs Thornton said she had been unable to intervene as she was too unwell at the time.
'Public opinion'

Earlier, a conference centre in Leeds named after Savile announced it was to be rebranded.

Royal Armouries International, which owns Saviles Hall at Clarence Dock, said it would be renamed "out of respect for public opinion".

It said further information about the move would be "issued in due course".

Saviles Hall, which can seat up to 1,000 people, was named after Savile in 2007 and played host to fund-raising auctions after his death.

The decision to rename it came hours after the headstone on Savile's grave was removed.

A footpath sign in Scarborough commemorating Savile has also been taken down by the borough council.

A plaque outside Savile's flat in Scarborough was removed last week after the words "rapist" and "paedophile" were written on it.

And Leeds City Council has taken Savile's name off an inscription on a wall commemorating high-profile citizens at the city's Civic Hall.

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 11:43:50 AM »
Savile was first investigated by police “for interfering with young girls” when a nightclub manager in Leeds as long ago as 1958. His former bodyguard has told The Sunday Telegraph that Savile claimed to have paid officers to drop the case.

It was the first in a series of at least six investigations that included:

An inquiry into underage sex taking place in the Top of the Pops changing rooms in the late 1960s, according to the show’s then producer. Police interviewed BBC staff but did not pursue a case;

An allegation in 1971 that Savile was involved with a 15-year-old dancer on Top of the Pops, who committed suicide. The girl’s half-brother said Savile was interviewed as a witness, but no further action was taken;

Jimmy Savile Sex Abuse The "Tip Of The Iceberg".

Claims that Savile was abusing patients at Stoke Mandeville Hospital in the late 1970s. John Lindsay, a detective constable at the time, reported the allegations – made by a nurse – to his commanding officer but was told there was not enough evidence to proceed against a celebrity of Savile’s stature;

Two further police investigations in the past five years, including one in Surrey in 2007 over claims of an indecent assault at Duncroft Approved School for Girls. Savile was interviewed by police but the case was dropped due to lack of evidence.

In further evidence that there were widespread suspicions about Savile, Tony Blackburn, a fellow DJ and presenter, said that it was to his “eternal regret” that his former BBC colleague had been “allowed to get away with these monstrous acts”.

The revelations raise serious concerns that the BBC covered up Savile’s sex crimes at the time to protect the reputation of one of their biggest stars.

George Entwistle, the BBC’s director-general, insisted last week that the corporation could find no evidence of allegations of abuse by Savile in its files. In his first intervention since Savile’s behaviour was made public, Blackburn, 69, told The Sunday Telegraph: “I am disgusted beyond words at the vile, despicable actions of Jimmy Savile.

“He was never a friend. He was not a nice man despite how the public viewed him at the peak of his success. There were always rumours circulating about him. The problem at the time was that rumour was always hard to translate into fact. Jimmy Savile was a master manipulator.”

Scotland Yard said yesterday that the number of likely victims had reached 60 with 340 lines of inquiry pursued by 14 forces. The NSPCC has received more than 100 complaints.

Peter Watt, the head of the NSPCC’s helpline, said: “The number of incidents reported have reached treble figures making him a hugely prolific sex offender – one of the worst I’ve ever heard of.”

Inquiries by The Sunday Telegraph show Savile first escaped justice in Leeds in 1958. Dennis Lemmon, now 80, his minder at the time, recalled Savile, who ran a nightclub, being in a bad mood because he faced a court hearing the next day for “interfering with young girls”.

Mr Lemmon said: “He was really worried but everything was dropped. I was told he paid them [the police] off.”

In the late 1960s, police interviewed BBC staff over allegations of under-age sex in musicians’ changing rooms. Savile was not the focus of that investigation although it is clear he was offending at that stage.

Stanley Dorfman, 84, the show’s producer and director in the 1960s, said: “They [police] came and talked to everybody because apparently there had been under-age girls in dressing rooms. It went on for a couple of weeks or so and then they disappeared.”

In 1971, prompted by the suicide of Clair McAlpine, a 15-year-old dancer on Top of the Pops, police launched another investigation. Miss McAlpine, who overdosed on sleeping pills, had left behind a diary detailing claims of being “used” by celebrities.

Her claims were largely dismissed as fantasy by detectives. Her half-brother, Mark Ufland, said: “Jimmy Savile was in the diary for having some sort of sexual relationship with her. As far as I know, Jimmy Savile was interviewed as a witness. My mother told me that the diary went to the police and never came back.”

In the late 1970s, John Lindsay, a police officer, reported to superiors the concerns of a nurse at Stoke Mandeville Hospital but was told to drop the investigation.

After presenter Jonathan King’s conviction in 2001 for abusing boys, it is understood police looked again at Savile but, again, according to a police source, there was no firm evidence.

In 2007, Surrey police questioned Savile over allegations of child sex abuse in the 1970s at Duncroft school. The Crown Prosecution Service advised there was insufficient evidence. Again in 2008 Sussex Police received a complaint of sexual assault by Savile that allegedly took place in Worthing in 1970.

The BBC’s handling of the case has also come under the spotlight. An investigation by Newsnight into Savile was dropped while two tribute programmes were allowed to go ahead by Mr Entwistle. John Whittingdale, a Tory MP and chairman of the culture select committee, said he was likely to call Mr Entwistle to give evidence to MPs.

Lord Patten, the chairman of the BBC Trust, said last night: “We all have things to answer for but, clearly, the BBC has more questions than the others because these things happened on our premises and he was an employee.”

A BBC spokesman said of the Clair McAlpine inquest: “No adverse finding was made against the BBC by the coroner. According to our records, the allegations did not relate to Savile.”
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2012, 08:47:47 AM »
I doubted that his crimes were limited to young girls, not least because of the stories that were around a while ago about him allegedly being the procurer of young boys for Ted Heath. Now it's coming out:

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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2012, 11:34:25 AM »
Ted Heath?  I would not wish that on my worst enemy.  There is another Tory sex scandal going around where the main stream media seem to be afraid to go into details: Mr Cameron and Mrs Brookes
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2012, 08:13:51 PM »
Ted Heath?  I would not wish that on my worst enemy.  There is another Tory sex scandal going around where the main stream media seem to be afraid to go into details: Mr Cameron and Mrs Brookes

Ah yes, the sms messages. I suspect that she screwed anyone who would give her information that might secure her in her job. Now that she's in deep doo doo she might reveal more than she did for certian politicians.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2012, 08:35:39 PM »
Saf you are right.  Johnnie I hope your Libel account has a  healthy balance.
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2012, 08:43:43 PM »
We can’t strip Jimmy Savile of his title? Oh yes we bloody well can

So apparently Jimmy Savile can’t be stripped of his knighthood even after all the revelations about his extensive abuse of children has come to light.

According to the Cabinet Office, the forfeiture committee cannot strip people of their honours posthumously because they ‘die’ along with the bearer.

So that’s that then. We all just shrug our shoulders and say what a pity.

But hang on a minute. Why can’t people can’t be stripped of their honours or titles posthumously?

Are British titles like ‘sir’ or ‘lord’ or honours like OBEs bound by the laws of nature?

Are the complicated rules and traditions which dictate what can and can’t be done with our titled and honoured members of society entirely subject to dictats from God or bound by inviolable rules of physics?

Whatever some people in the more conservative parts of our country may think, honours and titles are not part of some natural order. They are all entirely man-made – literally – and as something invented by ‘men’ they can be un-invented by ‘men’ too.

The rule that honours and titles can’t be stripped posthumously is not an inviolable law of nature. It can be changed. Very easily in fact.

There is nothing to stop parliament passing a law stripping Savile – or anyone else for that matter – of his title. It might be unprecedented but impossible? No. It could be done in an afternoon if there is the will.

But there, perhaps, is the crux of the problem.

Is there really the will?  If a law were to be presented to parliament stripping Savile or any other paedophile or criminal of their honours or titles, would it be passed unanimously? Or would some of the more Conservatively minded of our representatives stand up and speak against it because it goes against ‘centuries of British tradition’ or whatever?

It would be interesting to find out.

This whole discussion around titles and honours is indicative of a bigger problem in British society in general. Too often our blind adherence to tradition means we accept the status quo – even if it means allowing and even enabling behaviour which would under normal circumstances be abhorrent to most people. We too readily turn a blind eye to unacceptable behaviour by powerful or famous people precisely because we’ve always turned a blind eye to it.

And this unquestioning blindness to the actions of our so-called ‘betters’ has resulted in other scandals too – apart from the one involving Savile – for example child abuse in the church, as well more recent scandals such as phone hacking and Hillsborough.

But why go to all the bother of stripping Savile of his honours, some may ask? He’s dead now so what good would it do?

It’s important because it would show that Britain is no longer a place where people in positions of influence or power can do what they want with complete impunity, no matter how powerful they are or whatever titles or honours they hold.

And that’s important because that is precisely how Savile and others like him were able to get away with what they did for so long.

Savile thought he was untouchable in real life – he said so himself as much – and the sad truth of the fact is that he was right. Nobody believed those poor children because he was untouchable in life.

Stripping him of his title posthumously will show once and for all that there is nobody in this country who is untouchable or above the law – in life or in death. 

Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2012, 08:47:56 PM »
Poor Johnnie must be quaking in his boot's  :lol

But i think Saf ( Lawyers please note the name) is right. And wonder how much she will sing to save her neck . but also wonder if this not a show trail to appaise the peasent's


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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2012, 09:22:20 PM »
I mentioned no names of the living!  ;D

The wrong done as regards the title is that he was given one is the first place when there was knowledge of his activities.

Back in the very early '70s, a friend of mine told me that Saville was seen by his brother to arrive at the Imperial Hotel in Torquay in his Radio 1 camper van, get out with a very young girl and check into the hotel with her. I don't believe that those vetting nominations for titles had no inkling of his illegal activities.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2012, 08:04:35 AM »
Saf you are right.  Johnnie I hope your Libel account has a  healthy balance.

Poor Johnnie must be quaking in his boot's  :lol

No problem there for me, as you have agreed to this at registration:

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With the wide range of topics covered in this forum nobody can expect from me to tell everything to be 100% correct or not, especially in discussions about topics regarding other countries like GB, as long as abuse isn't plain to see. Of course as German I'd be expected to control things within my 'natural' interest, i. e. my home country Germany a bit more. And as this is a niche forum dealing with topics about Nakhon Ratchasima I'd also be expected to monitor those topics closer. No need to be quaking in my boots, when you Brits talk about your home country, what's going on there and why you ran away to Thailand. :)
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville - Now the net widens
« Reply #18 on: October 19, 2012, 09:26:51 PM »
Now the net widens: Detectives in Jimmy Savile probe target new celebrities

Detectives investigating Jimmy Savile today announced a criminal inquiry into child abuse allegations involving living celebrities.

Scotland Yard revealed they had identified more than 200 possible victims of either Savile or other stars. The senior officer leading the inquiry said: “We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale.”

Sources say the vast majority of the allegations and the victims who have come forward relate to allegations against Savile. Police are understood to be examining a “handful” of cases involving living celebrities.

About half a dozen have been accused of child abuse on BBC premises or while they were employed by the corporation. They include Savile and Steptoe And Son actor Wilfrid Brambell, both of whom are now dead.

Celebrities who have been named as either knowing about and even taking part in the abuse include convicted paedophile Gary Glitter and entertainer Freddie Starr. Both have denied the allegations.

Among those not named are a soap actor and a former BBC radio presenter. Scotland Yard refused to give a figure for the number of stars under investigation. They face arrest and questioning. Scotland Yard said in a statement: “As we have said from the outset, our work was never going to take us into a police investigation into Jimmy Savile.

“What we have established in the last two weeks is that there are lines of inquiry involving living people that require formal investigation.”

A spokesman said the Operation Yewtree inquiry had established more than 400 lines of inquiry and identified more than 200 potential victims.

Commander Peter Spindler said: “The public’s response to this issue has been astounding. We are dealing with alleged abuse on an unprecedented scale. The profile of this operation has empowered a staggering number of victims to come forward to report the sexual exploitation which occurred during their childhood.

“I am pleased that victims feel confident enough to speak out about the abuse they suffered and would like to reassure the public that we take all these cases very seriously and they will be investigated with the utmost sensitivity.”

Peter Watt, head of the charity NSPCC’s helpline, said: “It’s now looking possible that Jimmy Savile was one of the most prolific sex offenders the NSPCC has ever come across. We have received over 136 calls directly relating to allegations against him, which we’ve passed to the police.”

BBC bosses are to make a decision on Sunday over the airing of a new investigation into the Savile scandal. A Panorama programme focusing on why an original Newsnight inquiry was pulled  was due to go out on Monday.

But the show’s bosses today revealed that it could run after BBC director-general George Entwistle appears before the culture, media and sport select committee on Tuesday. A BBC spokesman said staff would be working over the weekend to get the programme ready. But another is already scheduled for the BBC1 slot.

It came as a leaked email cast doubt on the BBC’s stated reason for cancelling the Newsnight inquiry.

The email, written by press officer Helen Deller and dated December 7, reveals that Newsnight journalists had been “focusing on allegations of abuse” and also gives the impression that it was a lot closer to transmission than the BBC has let on.

Its official line is that it was dropped because it was focusing on a different angle it was unable to “substantiate”.
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #19 on: October 20, 2012, 09:15:46 AM »
Stories about Wilfred Brambell's nasty habits were circulating even while Steptoe was being aired. If ordinary people heard them, why not the BBC and the police?

I suspect that the storm brewed up by the Saville revelations will be diverted by the establishment to a few 'celebrities' who will be sacrificed in order to protect the network as a whole. Why not? That's been going on for decades at least. Who would be able to carry out an effective investigation of the police force, judiciary and Members of Parliament? Have you seen the CNN report today about the cover up of decades of abuse within the Boy Scouts of America?

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #20 on: October 20, 2012, 10:39:39 AM »
amazing he got a knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II in 1996
and Papal knighthood from Pope John Paul II in 1990.

seems the people in the know don't   
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #21 on: October 20, 2012, 10:46:23 AM »
amazing he got a knighthood from Queen Elizabeth II in 1996
and Papal knighthood from Pope John Paul II in 1990.

seems the people in the know don't   

Some don't and some say they don't. When did a Pope shy away from honouring a paedophile?

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #22 on: October 20, 2012, 02:35:47 PM »
The main stream media are still skirting around one of the possible participants.  The Haut de la Garenne children’s home on Jersey was apparently a regular supplier to yachtsmen.  Step forward Sir Edward Richard George Heath, KG, MBE, PC.  Johnnie, this should not affect your libel insurance cover as Ted is already late.

Just saw this on a probably dodgy website:- A source spoke to one of his victims and he said about others who were present, and more important, who was supplying the children to him. The person bringing children for him to abuse is Sir Jimmy Saville. He was seen by the witness, victim, taking young boys onboard Heaths yacht The Morning Cloud when they were at party conference. Saville is known for supplying a number of high profile MP’s with children for them to sexually abuse.
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #23 on: October 20, 2012, 02:47:46 PM »
The Saville-Heath connection was rumoured in public during Saville's lifetime.

I wonder whether that Mountbatten chap was a customer of Saville's. He had a number of perverted interests, including young boys and died with one on his boat.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2012, 02:57:19 PM »
Thanks Saf, Yes maybe that is why he got away with it for so long ..many powerful and influential people were involved.  No wonder the BBC are sh.....g themselves
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2012, 05:40:40 PM »

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #26 on: October 22, 2012, 06:30:53 PM »
Just for info
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Gary Glitter arrested by Jimmy Savile police
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2012, 07:35:41 PM »
Gary Glitter arrested by Jimmy Savile police

Former pop star becomes first person to be arrested in relation to police inquiry into sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile

Gary Glitter is escorted from an address in central London to a police station by officers investigating Jimmy Savile abuse claims

Gary Glitter has become the first person to be arrested in relation to the police inquiry into sexual abuse by Jimmy Savile.

Scotland Yard detectives working on Operation Yewtree have received information from more than 300 alleged victims and further arrests are expected.

Glitter, whose real name is Paul Gadd, was detained at 7.15am on Sunday at an address in central London and taken to a police station in the capital. He was filmed leaving his home wearing a hat and dark coat and gloves, and being driven away.

Glitter was jailed for four months in the UK in 1999 after admitting possessing a collection of 4,000 hardcore photographs of children being abused. In 2006, he was sentenced to three years in jail by a Vietnamese court for sexually molesting two girls. Glitter had always maintained he was innocent of the charges.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "Officers working on Operation Yewtree have today arrested a man in his 60s in connection with the investigation. The man, from London, was arrested at approximately 7.15am on suspicion of sexual offences, and has been taken into custody at a London police station.

"The individual falls under the strand of the investigation we have termed 'Savile and others'."

Publicist Max Clifford said on Saturday that up to 15 celebrities had approached him, fearful that their sexual exploits in the 1960s and 1970s might lead to them being caught up in the police inquiry.

The chairman of the BBC Trust, Lord Patten, has said he is dedicated to finding out the truth about the scandal that has thrown the corporation into crisis, vowing there would be "no covering our backs".

The corporation is braced for legal ramifications arising from allegations that other BBC employees were involved and questions remain over what bosses knew, and when, about the Newsnight investigation into Savile that was pulled.

Writing in the Mail on Sunday, Lord Patten questioned whether Savile could have committed the alleged crimes without anyone else knowing.

He said: "Can it really be the case that no one knew what he was doing? Did some turn a blind eye to criminality? Did some prefer not to follow up their suspicions because of this criminal's popularity and place in the schedules? Were reports of criminality put aside or buried? Even those of us who were not there at the time are inheritors of the shame."

The BBC chairman said the two independent inquiries that have been set up – one into the Newsnight report and the other into the BBC's culture and practices in the years Savile worked there – must get to the truth of what happened.

He wrote: "Now my immediate priority is to get to the bottom of the Savile scandal and to make any and every change necessary in the BBC to learn the lessons from our independent investigations."

The Guardian
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Offline thaiga

Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #28 on: October 28, 2012, 08:51:52 PM »
Tessa Dahl on Gary Glitter's 'This Is Your Life' talking about bringing school girls to see Glitter. When he clutches his neck defensively and goes "Shushhh!"...just unbelievable!

Gary Glitter & The School Girls On 'This Is Your Life'.

0:37 Ssshhhhh! He looked very uncomfortable.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.


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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2012, 08:04:09 AM »
A swift apology by the BBC doesn't mean that they got it wrong. It just means that they have quite enough poo to deal with now and can do without a public row with someone who is still alive and protected by the Establishment.

Have a look at this as an example of the stories that have been going around for years but have so far not been investigated: