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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #60 on: May 07, 2013, 12:35:06 PM »
stuart Hall as admitted to the alleged offences so that one seems to be in the bag. As for the others, we shall have to wait and see what evidence emerges.
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #61 on: May 07, 2013, 01:34:45 PM »
Max Clifford has been charged - so they must have evidence.
About 6 more celebs, unnamed, have been arrested and bailed in recent weeks.

 

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The age of consent for sex should be lowered to 13 years-old to end the ''persecution of old men'' in the wake of the Savile sex abuse scandal, a leading barrister has claimed.
In a controversial intervention, Barbara Hewson, a senior barrister at Hardwicke chambers in London, also called for the end of anonymity for complainants.

The lawyer, who specialises in reproductive rights also claimed crimes committed by disgraced broadcaster Stuart Hall were ''low level misdemeanours''.

Campaigners today criticised the ''outdated and simply ill-informed'' views, which it said ''beggars belief'' from a highly-experienced barrister.

Her article also provoked an internal row within her chambers, which launched an "investigation" into the claims.

But amid the storm of condemnation, she stood by her comments today as she quoted François-Marie Arouet, the 18th century philosopher, in her bid to defend her "opinion".

Her comments come as Scotland Yard operates Operation Yewtree, an investigation split into three inquiries into allegations involving deceased presenter Jimmy Savile, involving Savile and others and those involving just others.

A number of high-profile figures have been arrested under Yewtree such as entertainer Rolf Harris, former pop star Gary Glitter, DJ Dave Lee Travis, comedian Jim Davidson and PR guru Max Clifford. All deny any wrongdoing.

In an article for online magazine Spiked, she argued that ''the post-Savile witch-hunting of ageing celebs echoes the Soviet Union'' and says that it is not difficult to see why some elderly defendants ''conclude that resistance is useless''.

She added: ''But the low-level misdemeanours with which Stuart Hall was charged are nothing like serious crime.''

''Ordinarily, Hall's misdemeanours would not be prosecuted, and certainly not decades after the event.

''What we have here is the manipulation of the British criminal-justice system to produce scapegoats on demand. It is a grotesque spectacle.''

She continued: ''It's time to end this prurient charade, which has nothing to do with justice or the public interest.''

The barrister added: ''Instead, we should focus on arming today's youngsters with the savoir-faire and social skills to avoid drifting into compromising situations, and prosecute modern crime.

''As for law reform, now regrettably necessary, my recommendations are remove complainant anonymity, introduce a strict statute of limitations for criminal prosecutions and civil actions and reduce the age of consent to 13.''

Ms Hewson argued that ''touching a 17-year-old's breast, kissing a 13-year-old, or putting one's hand up a 16-year-old's skirt'' are not comparable to cases such as the Ealing Vicarage rape or Fordingbridge gang rape and murders from 1986.

She added: ''Anyone suggesting otherwise has lost touch with reality.''

Ms Hewson also labelled charities such as the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) and the National Association for People Abused in Childhood (Napac) as ''moral crusaders'' who have infiltrated Yewtree.

Today, she stood by her article. "Good journalists stand by what they write and so do I," she said in a statement to The Daily Telegraph.

"Like Voltaire, we must defend the right to express our opinions. Incidentally I have had a wave of polite emails from strangers saying how much they appreciated my piece in spiked."

She had earlier posted on Twitter how she was the subject of abuse from users in the wake of her article.

Hardwicke today distanced the chambers from the article.

A spokesman added: "We are shocked by the views expressed in Barbara Hewson’s article in Spiked.

"We did not see or approve the article pre-publication and we completely dissociate ourselves from its content and any related views she may have expressed via social media or any other media outlets."

Frances Swaine, managing partner at law firm Leigh Day, which represents one of Savile's victims as well as a dozen other victims of historic sexual abuse, said: "Our clients would be distressed by any suggestion the age of consent should be reduced to 13 or to hear their abuse defined as 'low-level misdemeanours'.

"This debate does nothing to help society come to terms with the criminal behaviour identified by historic sexual abuse survivors."

Peter Watt, director of the NSPCC helpline, also attacked the barrister.

He added: ''These outdated and simply ill-informed views would be shocking to hear from anyone but to hear them from a highly experienced barrister simply beggars belief.

''Stuart Hall has pleaded guilty to abusing children as young as nine years old, we think most people would agree that crimes of this nature are incredibly serious. Thankfully the law, and most people, are very clear on this matter.

''To minimise and trivialise the impact of these offences for victims in this way is all but denying that they have in fact suffered abuse at all. Any suggestion of lowering the age of consent could put more young people at risk from those who prey on vulnerable young people."

He added: ''And we must strongly defend the right for victims to remain anonymous and to ask for justice no matter when they choose to come forward.

''Many who are abused are bullied, blackmailed and shamed into staying silent, often well into adulthood. We must always be prepared to act no matter how long ago the abuse occurred.

''The actions of those who speak out also protect others from abuse and give confidence to other victims to come forward.''

A spokesman from the Bar Council said: "Any sexual offence or allegation of a sexual offence, particularly where the complainant is under the age of consent, should be treated with the utmost seriousness.

"These types of offences can destroy victims' lives. They are not trivial and it would be wholly wrong for anyone to suggest otherwise."

Ms Hewson is regularly ranked as a Leading Junior by The Legal 500 in the fields of public and administrative law, human rights and civil liberties, and professional discipline and regulatory law, according to her chambers' website.

She has won cases in the European Court of Human Rights, the Supreme Court and High Court of the Republic of Ireland.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/10045699/Allow-legal-sex-at-13-to-stop-old-men-abuse-persecutions-says-barrister.html



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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #63 on: May 12, 2013, 02:57:32 PM »
Words fail me ! The UK is a sad old place. The view of a senior Barrister !
 

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Re: Yewtree is destroying the rule of law
« Reply #64 on: May 12, 2013, 03:52:57 PM »
bit more here

We have been here before. England has a long history of do-gooders seeking to stamp out their version of sexual misconduct by force of the criminal law. In the eighteenth century, the quaintly named Society for the Reformation of Manners funded prosecutions of brothels, playwrights and gay men.

http://www.spiked-online.com/site/article/13604/
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #65 on: May 12, 2013, 04:07:31 PM »
A lawyer for the entertainer Jim Davidson said his client has not been interviewed over an alleged historic sexual offence carried out in the Falkland Islands.

Davidson, who was rebailed by detectives from Operation Yewtree - the probe launched in the aftermath of the Jimmy Savile scandal - was originally arrested by Scotland Yard in January over allegations of historic sexual offences against women in the UK.

The 59-year-old has not been charged and has been bailed to July.

It was reported that Yewtree detectives were carrying out an investigation on behalf of the Royal Falklands Island Police into an accusation that the comic indecently assaulted a woman while he was on tour and entertaining British troops.

Davidson's solicitor Henri Brandman said: "Jim continues to vigorously deny the allegations that have been put to him and is helping the police as fully as possible in their inquiries.

"He has not been charged with any offence.

"Jim has not been interviewed in respect of any alleged incident with a woman suggested to have taken place in the Falkland Islands about 30 years ago.

"Unless and until he is interviewed on that subject, neither he nor I can make any comment in that respect."
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #66 on: June 01, 2013, 02:06:46 PM »
This is an odd piece of recent news except that the alleged cases may have just come to light. Brambell was known as a dirty old man even when Steptoe was still being aired.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/9616121/Jimmy-Savile-Steptoe-and-Son-actor-Wilfrid-Brambell-abused-boys-in-Jersey-claims-whistleblower.html
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #67 on: June 01, 2013, 04:57:12 PM »


I must say they do look the part  :(
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #69 on: August 12, 2013, 11:24:21 PM »
Just found this.

How many abusers can you get in a 2.35 minute clip from a tv show and how blatant can the bastards get? Where was the supervision of minors that their parents may have taken for granted?


Jimmy Savile and Gary Glitter: The Dressing Room Hell
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #70 on: August 16, 2013, 11:31:31 AM »
Listen to this!


Michael Shrimpton Exposes Ted Heath (and others)
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #71 on: August 16, 2013, 02:34:32 PM »
Michael Shrimpton makes a great many assertions without providing back-up for any of them. David Kelly killed by Germans??? The Ted Heath/Jersey/yacht story has been around for a long time but now having heard it from Mr. Shrimpton I am not inclined to believe it. Mr. Shrimpton seems to be a fantasist.
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I'll clear my name vows former Radio One DJ Dave Lee Travis as he's charged with 12 sex attacks over 30 years

    * Accused of 11 counts of indecent assault and a count of sexual assault
    * The offences are alleged to have taken place between 1977 and 2007
    * Charges relate to nine suspected victims aged between 15 and 29
    * Former BBC Radio One DJ to appear at court in London on August 23
    * DLT says he's 'disappointed police and CPS decided to bring charges'

Dave Lee Travis vowed to clear his name last night after he was charged with 12 sexual offences, some dating back to the 1970s.

The 68-year-old, one of Britain’s best known DJs, said he is ‘very much looking forward’ to proving his innocence.

The former Radio 1 and Top Of The Pops presenter is accused of  11 counts of indecent assault and one of sexual assault over a 30-year period from 1977.

The allegations relate to eight women aged between 18 and 29 at the time and a girl of 15.

Senior lawyers said no further action would be taken concerning another seven allegations.

Travis, who was charged under his real name David Patrick Griffin, will appear before Westminster magistrates next Friday.

He has vehemently protested his innocence since his initial arrest nine months ago.

Dressed in grey jeans, a white open-neck shirt and a striped jacket, he looked despondent as he returned last night to the £1million Buckinghamshire mansion he shares with his wife Marianne.

He said: ‘To say the least I am very disappointed that the police and CPS have decided to bring these charges. These allegations are not true and I think the only other thing I can add to that statement is that I am very much looking forward to actually clearing my name on this and I can’t say more than that.’

FULL STORY www.dailymail.co.uk

I'll clear my name vows former Radio One DJ Dave Lee Travis as he's charged with 12 sex attacks over

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #73 on: August 17, 2013, 10:21:43 AM »
What a contrast of personalities:-  One the one side pervy Dave Lee Travis and on the other Aung San Suu Kyi.  Scary
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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #74 on: September 13, 2013, 09:26:41 PM »
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #75 on: October 01, 2013, 10:29:12 AM »
Here's more about Smith. It begins to open the door on what the British Establishment is getting away with.



Accusations of Abuse Against Cyril Smith MP
 


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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #77 on: October 26, 2013, 09:00:26 AM »
 


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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #79 on: November 05, 2013, 08:22:27 AM »
Savile created a network of child traffickers and abusers. Surely, he must have also made use of the existing networks - police, parliamentarians, judges, Christian organisations, pervert Baden Powell's flag carriers and others. No mention of them so far.
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #80 on: December 08, 2013, 10:18:35 AM »
Listen to John Lydon's broad hint about Savile in the '70s:


John Lydon(Johnny Rotten)talks about Jimmy Savile in interview from 1978
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #81 on: December 23, 2013, 07:42:43 AM »
Additional charges for Rolf Harris (Can you guess what it is yet?):


http://news.sky.com/story/1186261/rolf-harris-faces-three-more-assault-charges
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #82 on: January 15, 2014, 09:00:20 AM »
William Roache is in Court. It's alleged that he sent a signed photograph to a 15 year old girl whom he had sexually assaulted in the toilets at Granada Studios.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25732224
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #83 on: February 04, 2014, 11:38:12 AM »
A rumour is circulating to the effect that the Yewtree officers have arrested another celebrity. His identity cannot yet be disclosed but some are suggesting that he is a well known entertainer whose squeaky clean heterosexual and religious public image has been protected for decades. The last time I believed the stories as to the identity of a previous arrested person they turned out to be incorrect.

I would be surprised if the latest arrest had anything to do with the person currently being named. He has based a long career on clean living, Christian belief, heterosexuality as evidenced by a public but short-lived friendship with a sports woman and, later, celibacy. If this image has been protected for several decades, why not continue until after his death at which time, as with Savile, hell could be let loose.

I have to wonder about the aims of Yewtree. The investigation into Savile that was forced into reality after decades of protection for the man must be an embarrassment to the police force as a whole. However, I notice that only people from the entertainment world are being arrested. Perhaps they are the sacrificial lambs being offered to us after the floodgates burst following Savile's death. After all, these people became part of the British paedophile community only through their connection with Savile. They are not, by and large, greatly admired his other market, the Establishment.

Wikipedia has a superficial piece on the goings on at Elm Guest House:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elm_Guest_House_child_abuse_scandal

However, other websites have more to say. Here's one example:

http://www.exaronews.com/articles/5188/detectives-investigate-use-of-staging-post-for-elm-guest-house

Another website has published a list of alleged adult visitors to Elm but there's no way of knowing whether it's genuine.

I believe that organised paedophilia in the UK goes way beyond celebrities and politicians but who dares to suggest that senior police officers, lawyers and royals might also be involved? Curious it is, though, that not one has been mentioned by Yewtree despite Savile's alleged connections with some of them.
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #84 on: February 04, 2014, 02:41:50 PM »
Saf, whats your take on Saville and his best mates, Prince Charles and Prince Phillip.
Do you think the way the whole Saville situation was handled (compare it to say Michael Jackson), has anything yo do with his high profile buddys?
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #85 on: February 04, 2014, 03:27:19 PM »
Alf, I don't know any more about Savile's royal connections than can be found on the internet. We have to make up our own minds.

Savile was not quietly pushed into obscurity like some other suspects. Neither was he tried and convicted like Jonathan King.

http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/c_famous_crime_cases/a_jonathan_king/crime_vaults/

I remember comments at the time of King's conviction that there was another high profile DJ suspected of paedophilia but he was not named and no action was taken against him. Now, I wonder who that was.

I can't accept that the Savile dirt was kept quiet for the sole benefit of the BBC. If he had been arrested, many other icons may have fallen with him. It's safe now to deal with the complaints against him that were dismissed at the time because he isn't here to spill the beans and the investigating authorities can control what reaches the public ear.
 

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #86 on: February 04, 2014, 04:59:31 PM »
First time I heard about him Saf. Another pretty sick dude, a friend of Saville I presume?

It just seems the whole Saville thing was under played.
I mean someone like Hugh Grant picks up a brazzer for a shag. Before you know it his face is everywhere and he is portrayed as some sex fiend. And many other celebs have been in the media for a lot less.
Saville on the other hand, well we don't know the extent of his actions, but definitely much worse than picking up a hooker.
It doesn't make sense that there wasn't up roar years ago!
 

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Re: Not cliff surely - historic sex abuse allegations
« Reply #88 on: August 16, 2014, 12:35:06 PM »
Cliff Richard set to fly home from Portugal within days to face historic sex abuse allegations

IT has emerged more people have come forward with information following the police raid at Cliff's £3million penthouse in Berkshire. Police would not comment on nature of fresh information.

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Re: Sir Jimmy Saville passes away
« Reply #89 on: August 16, 2014, 03:31:41 PM »
I hope the plods get in big trouble over this.  All the world's TV cameras were waiting to capture the scene as the penthouse was raided.  Unfortunately the plods had neglected to inform Cliff Richard.  So who tipped off the media if it was not the plods?
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