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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #180 on: March 15, 2019, 04:56:55 PM »
This from The Nation:-

No major harm to Thailand from Brexit, say experts businessMarch 15, 2019 01:00 By PHUWIT LIMVIPHUWAT
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2,688 Viewed EXPERTS PREDICT that Brexit will have a limited impact on the Thai economy, saying that the biggest loser will be the United Kingdom itself.  On Tuesday, UK lawmakers rejected May’s Brexit agreement proposal by 391 to 242 votes in the House of Commons. On Wednesday, the no-deal Brexit option – a scenario in which the UK would leave the EU without any agreement in place – was also rejected by the Commons. The UK is due to leave the EU on March 29. UK lawmakers were voting last night on whether to request a Brexit date extension. “Research has shown that Brexit is the UK and the European Union’s problem,” said Paiboon Nalinthrangkurn, chairman of the Federation of Thai Capital Market Organisations (Fetco).

He argued that in the worst-case scenario where the UK leaves the EU with no-deal, the Thai economy may only take a 0.1- to 0.2-per-cent hit to its Gross Domestic Product (GDP), while the UK would go into a recession in 2020, with a GDP growth contraction of 0.6 per cent, from an original forecast of 2-per-cent growth.  The Commerce Ministry’s Department of Trade Negotiations (DTN) views the economic impacts of Brexit on the Thai economy as being unclear. “The impacts of recent developments concerning Brexit are still unclear. However, Brexit will mostly impact the UK’s economy,” said Auramon Supthaweethum, DTN director-general.   The UK had been preparing its customs [department] to cope with Brexit for some time, and predicted that Thai trade was unlikely to be disrupted by the event, she said.  “For example, they are prepared to establish and manage their own trade customs with their own customs officers,” she explained. However, the prospect of the UK leaving the EU may complicate the free trade agreement (FTA) negotiations between Thailand and the EU. Thailand is expecting to continue its Thai-EU FTA negotiations in the second half of this year after it was halted four years ago, Auramon said. “After the Thai election in March and the European Parliament election in May, the Thai-EU FTA negotiations will likely be back on the table,” she said.  “Brexit will not affect the Thai-EU FTA negotiations,” she assured, explaining that Thailand would continue to negotiate with the EU bloc without the UK if it decided to leave the EU.  “However, given that the UK is currently Thailand’s second largest trading partner in the EU, Thailand will also be seeking to establish an FTA with the UK after Brexit,” said Auramon.  Representatives from Thailand’s private sector have voiced their demand for an improvement in the ease of trade between the Kingdom and the EU, as well as with the UK, she added.  In 2018, Thailand’s trade with the UK was valued at Bt226 billion, with Thai exports accounting for up to Bt130 billion, according to the Thai Customs Department.  Meanwhile, one possible impact of Brexit on Thai trade is on the country-specific quota tax on Thai exports to the EU, according to the director-general.  Currently, Thai exports such as rice and cassava would be taxed at a higher rate if the quantity exported to the EU exceeded the set quota. “When the UK leaves the EU, there may a need to make amendments to the quota of goods, as the UK will also need to establish their own separate quota on Thai exports,” she explained.  Auramon said Thailand would negotiate a new post-Brexit quota with both the UK and the EU and she guaranteed that it would not be any lower than the current EU quota, which includes the UK.  Hiroki Matsumata, president of the Japan External Trade Organisation Bangkok (Jetro Bangkok) and Asean’s chief representative, said: “The direct impacts of Brexit on the Thai economy are going to be limited. However, it is still too soon to say what the positive and negative indirect impacts of the historic break-up are going to be. “For Japanese firms in Thailand, both Brexit and the US-China trade war represent the rise of protectionist trends around the world. However, Japanese firms believe Thailand and other Asean members champion free trade and that after Brexit, Thailand will continue to push for more free trade with the EU and the UK,” he said.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #182 on: March 16, 2019, 06:39:47 PM »
A poll ran by Civey today had almost 60% of respondents voting against agreeing to extend Brexit. Get it over with, and the sooner the EU will be fine again! The UK? They'll get what they voted for. Their problem now!

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #183 on: March 19, 2019, 04:05:36 PM »
Parliament exists to carry out the wishes of the People.  However, Parliament has completely lost sight of this fact.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #184 on: March 20, 2019, 09:09:56 PM »
May asked for a delay of 3 months. What does she want to achieve by that? I hope, the EU won't grant an extension longer than May 23, before the election. Longer bears heavy risks. Better not extend at all!

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #185 on: March 21, 2019, 03:42:01 AM »
As seen on Guido:-

WATCH IT ALL HERE ALL OF THE TIME FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER STOP! THE BREXIT IS OFFICIALLY GOING ON FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER BE FINALLY DECIDED WHO HAS WON THE BREXIT! THERE IS STILL FOREVER TO DISCUSS FOR AND FOREVER TO DISCUSS IT IN! pic.twitter.com/yjk5tlDLEj

— Jack Tindale (@JackTindale) March 11, 2019
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #186 on: March 21, 2019, 10:59:32 PM »
 Petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #187 on: March 22, 2019, 08:33:36 AM »
My daily news info I usually gather from the German sites DIE ZEIT, der Spiegel, Frankfurter Allgemeine and Süddeutsche Zeitung, before I venture to international sites. Today is headline, that the EU offered an extension until May 22 to the UK, if their parliament still agreed to the already negotiated contract in the coming week. If not, they got to leave on April 12. But until then there is still the possibility to extend membership for at least one year. April 12 is the last day Britain could still start preparing for the EU elections.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #188 on: March 24, 2019, 05:00:40 AM »
One million join march against Brexit as Tories plan to oust May

Organisers hail UK’s ‘biggest-ever demo’, while Tom Watson leads calls for fresh referendum

In one of the biggest demonstrations in British history, a crowd estimated at over one million people yesterday marched peacefully through central London to demand that MPs grant them a fresh referendum on Brexit.

Full article: The Guardian

They really gotta hurry up now, as the EU elections have to be prepared in case it turns out different from the first referendum. April 12 is the set date for last chance to prepare.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #189 on: March 24, 2019, 09:05:11 AM »
Here is the DM view of the March:-
By CHARLOTTE GILL FOR THE DAILY MAIL

 For a moment, I thought I’d stumbled into a vast camping expedition – a slow-moving tide of fleeces, anoraks, walking boots and sandwiches.

Yesterday’s People’s Vote march was a resolutely middle-class affair.

From Hampstead to Hampshire, they came to demand we overturn the largest democratic vote in the history of our nation.

Exceedingly politely, of course. But hell-bent, all the same, on a second referendum.

Many on the packed pavements of Central London were decidedly mature in years, flasks of tea and Waitrose quiche at the ready.

One sported a blue beret decorated with yellow stars, armed with a banner reading: ‘Listen to the young!’ Irony alert: she was about 80. Even the dogs were decked out in EU flags.

There was a younger, Instagram-friendly crowd, too, dressed in hipster tracksuits. And a proliferation of young children draped in EU propaganda and waving placards about safeguarding their future, hastily put together at the family craft table.

Joining proceedings were comedians Steve Coogan and Sandi Toksvig, while a predictable entourage of Remain politicians, including Sadiq Khan, Anna Soubry and Caroline Lucas, were also there.

We were told, breathlessly, that the initial count showed more than a million people were marching. The biggest protest march in UK history!

But, well, it wouldn’t be the first time such figures have been inflated. Let’s not forget the second Brexit referendum march in October 2018, which organisers claimed had more than 700,000 marchers, when the Greater London Authority put the number at a far more realistic 250,000.

Sophisticated analysis by the website countingcrowds.co.uk, using images of October’s march, suggested the true number was closer to 82,000. Should the same apply to yesterday’s rally, there might have been as few as 120,000 on the streets.

What I will concede, however, is that – for a political protest – the People’s Vote was by far one of the politest events I’ve ever been to.

For every rude poster – shouting ‘Brexs**t’, for instance – there were placards that merely fawned over the EU. Even when the crowds chanted ‘b******* to Brexit’ there was no snarl.

They could have been ordering the gnocchi in Carluccio’s.

To catch my breath amid the well-ordered chaos, I did what any true-blooded Brit would do – I went off in search of a restorative cup of tea. The elegant cafes of Mayfair were thronging with ravenous Remainers and their salads were laced with bulgur wheat.

Inside a particularly posh joint, I listened as all hell broke loose when a revolutionary told a waiter off for getting her latte order wrong. Her hand was decorated in flashy silver rings; on her bosom was a badge reading ‘Cancel Brexit’.

Suitably refreshed, I continued along the protest route, which took Europhiles away from Park Lane towards St James’s Street and Pall Mall.

If I were more of a conspiracy theorist, I might be inclined to suggest the march was designed to promote London’s most elite retail establishments.

It was a veritable tour of the best in bespoke men’s tailoring, cigar finery and the most expensive shaving sets I’ve ever seen. And no one even tried to loot them!

Music kept everyone’s spirits up, even if it was sometimes the theme tune from EastEnders, being blasted from a megaphone by two teenage girls.

‘Why are you playing that?’ I asked one of them. ‘Why not?’ she replied, nonchalant, her revolutionary spirit spilling over into outright confrontation.

Otherwise, it was classical music with all its pomp and circumstance that kept the crowds marching.

A man boldly played the 9th Symphony by Beethoven, the EU’s anthem, albeit without the support of an orchestra. In fact, his musical device looked a bit like a kazoo. He messed it up, much to the amusement of the hundreds within earshot.

Of course, many Remainers came across as rational in their protests – they adore the EU and don’t want to leave. But a lot appeared to have completely lost the plot. There was, for instance, the man whose placard read: ‘If Brexit is the will of the people, then I’m a giraffe’. He wore a plastic giraffe mask.

Others seemed to be using the occasion as an excuse for fancy dress; there was a little boy dressed as an astronaut and someone with a pineapple on their head. An Elvis impersonator weaved through the crowds on a bicycle, a Welsh flag protruding from his panier.

For a moment, I could almost forget the real revolution happening just down the road in Westminster – where hard choices and intransigence could soon cost us a Prime Minister and leave the fate of Britain on a knife edge. For some, yesterday seemed to be a jolly excuse for a day trip to London.

At another popular refuge point – the Hard Rock Cafe – I talked to Emma Fry, 44, who told me she had come in from Bristol, with an army of friends from other parts of the country.

A demonstrator leads a greyhound wearing a suit in the EU colors during a Peoples Vote anti-Brexit march in London    +7
A demonstrator leads a greyhound wearing a suit in the EU colors during a Peoples Vote anti-Brexit march in London

A young couple said they’d come from Hampshire, and Marrion Welham, from the Norfolk-Suffolk border, warned ominously that ‘this whole saga had been dictated by hard Right-wing Research Group MPs...’ and that Remainers had been ‘not really been given a voice’.

Clearly she hasn’t been watching too many shows on the BBC.

I worried, as a woman who – at 5ft 2in – is far from imposing, that I’d feel intimidated in these crowds. On the contrary, I was rather embraced. I even made the ultimate faux pas: I told people I’d voted for Brexit.

It could easily have got ugly. Expecting looks of horror – and perhaps a thrown quiche – I received only sympathetic glances and civility.

This was strangely reassuring – the country may be divided, but at least we’re not thumping each other. Yet.

Additional reporting by Holly Bancroft
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #190 on: March 25, 2019, 08:37:35 AM »
Grab your Brexit-coin, before things change again! ;)

UK's commemorative Brexit coin on hold amid political crisis

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #191 on: March 26, 2019, 12:09:43 PM »
Thanks to Pompui of K-F for this piece.  It so enraged me that I emailed some mild abuse to Mark Field.  His email address is mark.field.mp@parliament.uk  should you want to do the same.
How dare he be critical of Thai elections when UK democracy is in such a dire mess.  I actually received a reply from Mark but it was just a smarmy handoff.

GOV.UK update – Statement from Minister of State for Asia on the Thai elections

I wonder what he means by irregularities



Government response

Statement from Minister of State for Asia on the Thai elections
A statement from the Minister of State for Asia and the Pacific, Mark Field MP, on the recent elections in Thailand.

Published 25 March 2019
From:
Foreign & Commonwealth Office and The Rt Hon Mark Field MP
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Minister of State for Asia and the Pacific, Mark Field said:

I welcome the fact that elections have taken place in Thailand. It is encouraging to see so many Thai citizens seeking to have a say in their country’s future.

It is important that any reported irregularities are investigated swiftly, fairly and transparently, to ensure credibility and provide a clear result as soon as possible.

The process of government formation should be conducted in a proper and open manner, and reflect what people voted for.

We look forward to working closely with the newly elected government.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #192 on: March 29, 2019, 10:48:01 PM »
Looks like the UK leaves the EU the hard way on April 12. Guess nobody really expected that, like nobody really expected the referendum go that way. People in the EU probably won't see much difference, except Britain not being as attractive for travelers anymore, though it might be cheaper than ever...

The exchange rate of GBP to THB already fell to 41.33575, most likely falling even lower over the weekend.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #193 on: March 30, 2019, 06:20:07 AM »
Mongering UK doom again JF ?  Check it out - the GBP to THB has actually improved in the last month or two - not so long ago it was down nudging THB 40 on my screen  ;)

If you want some doom - bearing in mind and compounding the much discussed problems in the German economy, try these snippets from the DT today :-

''One potentially explosive event we can be certain of. France will take over Italy as the fourth most indebted country in the world. Statistics published this week show that France’s total public debt is now just a whisker behind its southern neighbour, and its spending plans for this year means it will overtake Italy very soon''.

And TT's favourite AE-P in the DT also . .

''Citigroup has issued an explicit recession warning for the United States, advising clients to wind down exposure to risky assets and prepare to ride out the storm. The bank’s global investment team said the US Federal Reserve over-tightened monetary policy last year, waiting too long to stop raising interest rates or to slow the pace of quantitative tightening (reverse QE). The economy is already shot below the waterline and will mostly likely succumb to the textbook pathologies of a fading expansion''.

So it looks to me that we are ALL in for a bumpy ride this year with an economic downturn. IMHO the EU with it's repopulated Parliament and the 'orrible Verhofstadt at the 'elm', is not likely to fare better than anyone else in the coming mire. Now that is doom  ;)

NO predictions from me for the GBP/THB rate - but it's my guess that the least favourable scenario's are already priced in  . . .

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #194 on: March 30, 2019, 07:57:25 AM »
Roger, if somebody selects his information by looking up partisan sources only, he'll never get to see the whole. I have no worries about the German economy. Of course apart from Trump's trade wars it got contaminated by the British problems to some extent, but not to the extent your sources "paint it". I wonder, why so constantly you keep bringing up World economy and  highly questionable allegations about the German economy in this thread about the UK ruining their country and their citizens' future. Are you trying to distract from the fact, that in the UK politicians are just blocking each other without any constructive results? ;)

Who will reconstruct the British economy after this period of self-destruction?

Edit: Typos corrected at Roger's hint!

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #195 on: March 30, 2019, 08:09:22 AM »
Hi JF. re. your ''never get to see the whole'', comment - you too !

And ''I have no worries about the German economy'' - pleased to hear it - let's see.

Btw - 'extent' you mean ? (not extend).

As for this, ''UK ruining their country and their citizens' future'' - rumours of the demise of the UK are greatly exaggerated . . . 

Are YOU trying to distract from the facts?  ATB

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« Reply #196 on: March 30, 2019, 08:17:57 AM »
As for this, ''UK ruining their country and their citizens' future'' - rumours of the demise of the UK are greatly exaggerated . . . 

Are YOU trying to distract from the facts?  ATB

Unlike you I'm not a fortune teller able to foresee tomorrow's facts, Roger, for me it's just perspectives to calculate with.

Thanks for alerting me to that typo! ;D

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #197 on: March 31, 2019, 12:06:52 PM »
The British parliament, as seen by Banksy nine years ago:




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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #198 on: March 31, 2019, 01:47:01 PM »
This Banksy post is insulting to chimps. They have much more common sense than that.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #199 on: April 01, 2019, 04:08:42 PM »
JF reply 194 - ''I have no worries about the German economy''.

DT live today - ''German industrial slump deepens as growth plunges to lowest level since 2012''.

and . .  ''Growth in German factories hits lowest level since July 2012
FTSE 100 nears six-month high after Chinese manufacturers rebound
Roger Bootle: EU will move to full fiscal union, or disband
''.

Just for fun  ;)


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« Reply #200 on: April 01, 2019, 04:13:05 PM »
Just for fun  ;)

Of course it's funny, Roger, but sad at the same time,  that you consume those unreliable "press" and even take it for granted. Enjoy the dreams they give you!  :evilgrin

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #201 on: April 01, 2019, 04:42:33 PM »
Come on Roger, stop reading the Torygraph.  I am now thoroughly tired of the Guardian and have just taken out a subscription to the Times.  I think that the Dirty Digger needs help with his pension fund.


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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #202 on: April 01, 2019, 05:59:07 PM »
JF reply 200 - ''you consume those unreliable "press" and even take it for granted''   :uhm

Correction - figures from the Federal Statistics Office . . .

''Germany's economy grew by 1.5% last year, its slowest rate since 2013, the latest official figures show. Figures from the Federal Statistics Office showed Europe's largest economy slowed sharply as the year wore on.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46875113

Nuff said  :-X 

BTW I'd be happy to see Germany and the EU doing well - and a brexited UK too   ;D

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« Reply #203 on: April 01, 2019, 06:30:11 PM »
BTW I'd be happy to see Germany and the EU doing well - and a brexited UK too   ;D

Finally we can agree on something! :)

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« Reply #204 on: April 03, 2019, 08:27:01 AM »
I'm exhausted with Brexit - but have to get this off my chest.

The EU "Mandarins' and other leading European figures bemoan of 'losing patience' as the UK Parliament's suffers contortions in trying to pass agreement of the 'negotiated' ''Withdrawal Agreement'' or anything else.

The UK Parliament's problems are a measure of the brutal and unforgiving 'stitching up' of Mrs May in these farcical negotiations - the EU never intended to give the UK any 'deal' which would be acceptable to the UK Parliament and this is just what they wanted. Now the EU is looking down on the Brits predicament and 'foolishness' in wanting to leave. Masterly. Mrs May shame on you - how did you fall for it ?

The 'orrible Verhofstadt was being very lofty as usual today - let's not forget he was PM of Belgium for 9 years and even now, Belgium has great difficulty in forming a Govt at all, there's been 20 weeks of serious rioting in France whilst Italy and others fulminate on various EU matters and Eurozone problems mount.

It's now confirmed that no matter how long the delay to Brexit, the Withdrawal Agreement will not be reopened. And that a delay to Brexit has risks for the EU  ;)  Yep 39 billion of 'em  ;)

GET ME OUTA HERE !!!  8)

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #205 on: April 03, 2019, 10:05:19 AM »
As one from the colonies and what the EU forced Britain to do to us, I must say that I agree with Nigel Farage.
The referendum was democratically done and accepted by all, well almost all.
This total waste of time money and the "EU Mandarins" that have clearly had no interest in letting Britain escape form the EU. The only answer is a NO DEAL, use the world trade agreements and get on with life.

As has been said May has been on the remain side all along but was thrust in to the leaders roll and has betrayed the UK population (Bigger forces behind this, even Camron saw this and he would have be led to do the will of the "Masters")
I clearly believe that by trying to force Britain to remain the EU Oligarchy thought every other state would fall in and BACK the EU,  LOL.
This has back fired and every one rightfully so want their national identity back again.

If I could, I would vote for Nigel Farage for British PM, I am sure he would say to the EU Oligarchy Up Yours! (I think he has already said the to Juncker & his comrades as an EU MP)

As to ponder the future, 20 years from now we will either be separate nation states or the Oligarchy will have their New World Order, to the cost of millions of lives.

Just my $2.00 worth from the colonies.

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« Reply #206 on: April 03, 2019, 06:31:56 PM »
I don't wonder anymore: soldiers practicing target by shooting at images of their politicians... :spin

Army investigating 'Jeremy Corbyn target practice' film

Stop blaming the EU, there is a lot to do at home, uniting people again. The biggest damage the whole Brexit affair has done already is that it split the country. What'll be next? Shooting in the streets?

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #207 on: April 03, 2019, 09:01:30 PM »
Johnnie. If the 'Army' in the UK did that, heads will legally roll with due process of Law, I assure you.
Fake news ? Or maybe not.

Otherwise, I wasn't sure if you were talking about Germany, France, Italy ?
It must be France - they do revolution best.
20 weeks of street rioting, looting etc. and Macron's imagination extends to lecturing the UK  ;)

And does Belgium have a Govt yet ? Serious question . . .

Me myself and millions of other Brits, won't stop 'blaming the EU'.
Sometimes people just know . . . no instruction needed at all    :spin

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #208 on: April 03, 2019, 10:12:54 PM »
If the 'Army' in the UK did that...

Does that mean, British soldiers will get away with doing that while on duty in Afghanistan? :evilgrin


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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #209 on: April 04, 2019, 05:13:52 AM »
JF. No of course not . . .

 



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