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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #120 on: February 17, 2019, 05:09:56 PM »
This from the Independent on the BMI collapse:-
The airline was heavily loss-making, and no-one was prepared to put in extra funding. The average passenger load per flight was just 18, meaning even the small regional jet planes flown by Flybmi were less than half-full. While many of the airline’s passengers were business travellers paying high fares, price-sensitive travellers (like me) would opt for alternative routes on cheaper carriers.
Nothing to do with Brexit.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #121 on: February 20, 2019, 12:54:01 AM »
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #122 on: February 20, 2019, 08:03:00 AM »
It doesn't matter, whether those are directly Brexit-related. Undeniable fact is, that the cooling of world economy due to Trump's trade wars etc. adds to the problems of the Brexit, we European expats already suffer from. The exchange rate of the EUR to THB is down to 35.3, the GBP is down to 40.6 THB. No reason to rejoice the Brexit wouldn't be a problem, it definitely is part of the problems, even if it weren't a major problem.

There are many saying, the Brexit leaves both the EU and UK better off , if cutting the ties wouldn't cause new problems or bring old ones back like conflicts about the border between the UK and Ireland.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #123 on: February 21, 2019, 08:08:17 AM »
The Brexit is screwing things up even more: looks like Brits will be isolated. Even for a visit to mainland Europe a Schengen-Visa for 52 GBP might be needed. Does that include a Northern Irish crossing the border to Eire?

Britons may need £52 visa to visit mainland Europe after Brexit

I can understand that more and more MPs leave their parties over all this nonsense, be it from Labour or the Torys.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #124 on: February 21, 2019, 09:49:15 AM »
I thought this had already been agreed:

Millions of Britons will have to pay €7 (£6.29) every three years for visa-free travel to the EU from 2021.

The post-Brexit move was confirmed by the European Commission in response to a question to its President Jean Claude-Juncker.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #125 on: February 21, 2019, 11:48:51 AM »
I thought this had already been agreed:

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The lyrics mean: If you think you think, then you only think you'd think... :-[

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #126 on: February 25, 2019, 05:32:13 PM »
Any thinking about the Brexit is useless; it always turns out different. Now they think about extending Britain's membership, some think about two months, others think about two years. Why not stop "thinking" and cancel the whole? Might be the easiest way out in the end. The EU won't move. The whole made them closer than ever, bonded. :)

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #127 on: February 25, 2019, 08:23:31 PM »
Hi Johnnie.

''Why not stop "thinking" and cancel the whole?'' - I'm assuming you talking about disbanding the EU  ;)

''The whole made them closer than ever, bonded'' - I doubt that very much indeed. If I was predicting I'd say that the opposite may turn out to be the truth. The Nation states will assert themselves in an instant when the Euro has further problems and recession bites, (not due to Brexit).

That's enough from us extremists . . .

Here's Boris :-

Boris Johnson in the DX today and IMO well said  ;)

''There is nothing extreme about standing by democracy. I don’t know about you, but I am getting sick of the constant suggestion that anyone who sticks up for Brexit must have far Right tendencies. I can’t understand why people are suddenly claiming that anyone who wants to get out of the EU – and follow the instructions of the British people – is a zealot, or an extremist, or Ukip, or Blukip, or some kind of ultra-conservative bigot. Where is this stuff coming from?''

ATB. Good to disagree . . .



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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #128 on: February 25, 2019, 08:50:35 PM »
''Why not stop "thinking" and cancel the whole?'' - I'm assuming you talking about disbanding the EU  ;)

Of course I was not talking about "disbanding the EU"; The EU is fine. Miserable are Brits who voted for leaving the EU without thinking about how it should be done without causing too much damage to themselves.

Sure, also the EU will suffer some damage from this move of the UK, but no single country in the EU will suffer nearly as much as the UK. That's what UK politicians didn't think about, if they were thinking at all. Just look at the damage this has already done to the UK. And it will cause even more.

Think about Northern Ireland, think about Scotland, think about the people; British society has been torn apart, but it's not the slightest fault of the EU.

I'm for letting the UK split: the EU will probably be better off without them. Look how Frankfurt, Paris and Amsterdam are flourishing thanks to the banks running away from uncertain British politics. They're not only changing their headquarters, mainly they're not granting loans for investments to British companies - at a moment when loans are extremely cheap. But it is of benefit for the UK as well: flats are getting cheaper in London! ;)

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #129 on: February 26, 2019, 08:07:30 AM »
Europe is a great place with some of the best countries in the world.  I worked in Italy for 4 years and enjoyed every minute of it.  I consider myself to be thoroughly European.  However, the EU is a totally different beast: European Union of Socialist States.  The trouble with this tediously long Brexit saga is the incompetence of the MPs in the British Parliament. The Opposition is riven with disputes about “antisemetism” . The Labour MPs have a group called Labour Friends of Israel and there is a Conservative group called Conservative Friends of Israel.  I think that all Jews and Moslems should be barred from holding public office.  Also, the Electoral Register should be revised to remove all Jews and Moslems.  The U.K. should then be able to elect MPs, all of whom are Friends of Britain and could work together for the best Brexit solution.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #130 on: February 26, 2019, 08:30:02 AM »
Latest news are that Jeremy Corbyn now backs the majority of his party to hold a second referendum, according to The Guardian. But I don't think that's it already.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #131 on: February 26, 2019, 11:25:11 AM »
Looks like there are more problems for the UK ahead:

UN court rejects UK's claim of sovereignty over Chagos Islands

That's especially interesting, because of Diego Garcia, a secret US prison similar to Guantanamo Bay, the Brits have leased to the US.

Headlines like that will help forming opinions about the Brexit. ;)

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« Reply #132 on: February 26, 2019, 12:44:46 PM »
Chagos, and Diego Garcia in particular, is a long running British disgrace.  Should have been handed back to the Chagossians years ago. 
Also, it is worth mentioning Gibraltar.  These days it mainly seems to be a base for offshore gambling companies. I don’t think too many illegal immigrants are trying to reach Britain via the Straits of Gibraltar.  I am sure the Spanish would be happy to pay a few billion for it.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #133 on: February 27, 2019, 10:07:47 AM »
The prospect of Brit politicians slowly coming to grips and thinking about a delay of the Brexit or even a new referendum seems to have given some hope; the exchange rate jumped to 41.71971 THB for the GBP. 

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« Reply #134 on: February 27, 2019, 08:43:23 PM »
Here is Theresa May at Prime Minister’s Questions today.  https://order-order.com/2019/02/27/may-fudges-no-deal-commitment/

No deal better than bad deal.

TM is just so incredibly suburban.
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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #135 on: February 28, 2019, 03:13:34 PM »
Johnnie. The EU has a massive trade surplus in goods to the UK although there are differing figures around.
A hard Brexit will affect all major EU nations and let's face it, maybe Germany most.
Disaster was your word.

The EU (and the Euro) have benefited Germany above most other Countries - there'll be little disagreement about that in Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain etc. Discontent abounds in France, Holland, Hungary and many other Countries too. Let's see what the coming EU elections bring . . .

It is the UK's democratic decision to leave the EU and that's that. I'll compliment the EU negotiators with having done a thoroughly ruthless task on the UK. Theresa May's negotiation has been pathetic from the start.

As for the future - ''The world’s largest sovereign wealth fund is taking a 30-year bet that Britain will emerge from Brexit stronger outside the European Union. In an unexpected move, Norway’s £740 billion wealth fund said yesterday that it would increase its exposure to British companies, property and bonds regardless of the outcome of Brexit negotiations. This comes despite a 12 per cent fall in the value of its £62 billion of UK investments this year. Britain is the third largest market for the fund’s investment capital, which was built up from Norway’s oil and gas revenues.''

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/world-s-top-wealth-fund-puts-billions-into-britain-qswjw8637

We will never agree - I'm a 100% Brexiteer  :)

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #136 on: February 28, 2019, 03:41:51 PM »
Johnnie. The EU has a massive trade surplus in goods to the UK...

Now come on, Roger, you won't blame the EU for Brits' preferences for imported stuff over domestic. Do you think , when UK and EU are separated by custom tariffs, all of a sudden Brits will feel happier with domestic products? Sounds a little like that Yankee Trump, who wants to keep his voters from buying imported cars by imposing high tariffs. You can't blame politics for the preferences of consumers.

And blaming citizens from the other EU states for not buying "Made in the U.K.", if there are better alternatives...  ::)

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The world’s largest sovereign wealth fund is taking a 30-year bet that Britain will emerge from Brexit stronger outside the European Union.

Betting is a game with a possibility of loosing. ;)

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We will never agree - I'm a 100% Brexiteer

Again and again I have to declare, that I am not against letting the nagging Brits go, the problem is only, what terms have to be applied to the separation. The EU will probably also be better off without that island after a while. and I'm sure it won't take 30 years to recover. Trade exchange figures from the past cannot be applied to the future. The problem is the sorting out of what is still there, what contracts have been made and how they can be canceled or modified with only a minimum damage to either party.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #137 on: February 28, 2019, 06:54:07 PM »

A hard Brexit will affect all major EU nations and let's face it, maybe Germany most.
Disaster was your word.

Your presumption is, that people in Britain will then not demand products imported from Germany and the other EU countries anymore at all.

What will change for them is, that they got to pay more, but not because the producer had raised prices, simply because the Brit government was so silly to think they could force people to buy products "made in the UK" instead by imposing high tariffs. Who will the conscious British consumers blame for that "disaster" of a higher price for their preferred item?  ;)

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #138 on: March 01, 2019, 06:32:55 AM »
''Britain's economy is set to boom and become the largest in Europe - because of Brexit

The public finances are on the mend, recording a healthy surplus in January on booming tax receipts. Employment is at record levels, with real wage growth at a two-year high. Despite a global slowdown, Britain expanded 1.4 per cent last year, recording just 4 per cent unemployment. Yet Germany and France are on the brink of recession, the Italian economy is contracting and eurozone joblessness is twice as high.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #139 on: March 01, 2019, 08:40:06 AM »
Germany... on the brink of recession

First time I ever heard this!  :)

Is this credible? ;)

Or isn't that more credible?

"Germany's economy witnessed lackluster growth in 2018, according to flash data released Tuesday, in line with expectations. German gross domestic product (GDP) grew 1.5 percent in 2018, compared with 2.2 percent in 2017, the latest data from the Federal Statistics Office (Destatis) showed.)

cnbc.com

The unemployment rate in the EU varied between 2.1% (Czech Republique), 3.3% (Germany) up to 18.6% in "problem child" Greece.

statista.com

Now who would blame the unemployment in Greece on the Brexit  for example? They had it far worse long before the Brexit referendum and are recovering steadily. :)





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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #140 on: March 02, 2019, 02:08:39 PM »
Hi Johnnie,

This is a funny clip from one of your fellow countrymen:-

https://order-order.com/2019/03/01/german-comedian-nails-brexit/
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« Reply #141 on: March 02, 2019, 02:47:43 PM »
Never heard of that guy. Does he have ancestors born in Germany like Trump? ;)


When you try to look up his name on Google, not one entry of a German webpage mentioning him can be found among the first five SERPs. I didn't bother to look further.

Guess he makes money entertaining Brits to their likeness pretending to be a German mocker.  ;)

We also got "Brits" in Germany trying to make money pretending to represent British lifestyle and do just clowning.

Now try to find out where the Anglo-Saxons came from. You will find out, that the British are closer related to the Germanic people than to others.

Maybe the people on the continent are not so much different than Brits like to believe. Anyway, this topic is about the modalities of the Brexit; it is fact, that those have not been thought over well enough before the referendum. People were left to the lies of some politicians. Now there is chaos. And both sides are working on sorting things out. But it is like it was before: Demands of Brit politicians are just unrealistic.

Does anybody expect those 27 countries to give in fully to the demands of the politicians of an island, who have been nagging all along? Probably the majority are secretly happy to get rid of them. But of course they can't let them go for free, debts have to be settled and contracts to be fulfilled.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #142 on: March 02, 2019, 03:32:09 PM »
I think we are more closely related to the Scandinavians who will vehemently deny that they are European:-

The Norse Legacy in English

Thanks to the cross-cultural fermentation that occured in the Danelaw — and later when England was temporarily absorbed into Canute the Great’s North Sea Kingdom — the English language is much closer to that of its Scandinavian neighbors than many acknowledge. By the time the Norman conquest brought the irreversible influence of French, Old English had already been transformed beyond its Anglo-Saxon roots.

This is still in evidence today; modern English grammar and syntax are more similar to modern Scandinavian languages than to Old English. This suggests that Old Norse didn’t just introduce new words, but influenced how the Anglo-Saxons constructed their sentences. Some linguists even claim that English should be reclassified as a North Germanic language (along with Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic and Swedish), rather than a West Germanic language (with Dutch and German). The Viking influence may be most apparent in the Yorkshire dialect, which uses even more Norse words in daily speech than standard English does.

English is probably too much of a hybrid to ever neatly classify, but its Old Norse rót is clearly there among the tangle of Anglo-Saxon, French and Latin roots. The language of the Vikings may have become subdued over the centuries, but make no mistaka about it — from byrðr (birth) undtil we deyja (die) — Norse’s raw energy simmers under the surface of everything we say.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #143 on: March 02, 2019, 06:49:22 PM »
Also scared of a no-deal Bexit:

Ryanair moves spare parts from Britain to EU countries before Brexit

 Berlin (dpa) - Europe's biggest budget airline is taking precautions in case of a no-deal Brexit by shifting some of its spare parts from a British central storage unit to other EU locations.

Ryanair's director of maintenance and engineering told dpa that Britain's unregulated departure from the European Union could make moving parts around difficult because of customs restrictions, for example.

"We're concerned that it could take longer to get spare parts to airports where we need them quickly from the central storage in Stansted," Karsten Muehlenfeld said, referring to a London airport.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary is an outspoken critic of Brexit, though he says his Irish airline, which is registered in the EU and not in Britain, will not be as badly affected as some British-based airlines.

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #144 on: March 02, 2019, 07:09:29 PM »
There are more and more voices in EU member countries against a delay of Brexit, because of the elections to the European Parliament on May 26,2019. It were unfair to let the UK have a vote still, if they want to leave anyway. Deadlocked?

So it seems to come down to the options leave without a better deal than agreed to by the EU or remain.

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« Reply #145 on: March 03, 2019, 08:59:04 PM »
There is no point delaying Brexit if an agreement is still unlikely. Just get on with it. The 29th of March is as good a day as any.

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« Reply #146 on: March 03, 2019, 10:36:10 PM »
Right, if they find out they can't do without the EU, there is still the possibility to reapply for membership. Just keep your fingers crossed, there won't be too much damage in the meantime.

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« Reply #147 on: March 04, 2019, 07:10:31 AM »
''European investors are taking major bets on the UK economy, more than doubling investment in Britain over the past three years. Uncertainty around Brexit has not stopped companies on the continent from embarking on a major deal spree in the UK, indicating faith in the economy’s long-term prospects among foreign money managers.

Buyers in the EU have snapped up 553 UK assets through mergers and acquisitions and private placements in the past year, according to S&P Capital IQ data. Purchases of companies, property and stakes in fast-growing firms totalled $31.1bn over the past 12 months
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/03/europeans-double-uk-investment-since-brexit-vote/

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Re: The Brexit
« Reply #148 on: March 04, 2019, 08:33:38 AM »
European investors are taking major bets on the UK economy


Very precisely put, stating there are at least two betting on the unlikely against maybe millions clear-thinking investors in Europe, but not telling how much or little (1 GBP or even 2 GBP) they bet against these extremely high odds. They could win millions at these odds. And of course the article, which I even don't bother reading, isn't telling where these gamblers are. The British island or the mainland Europe. I assume, Brexit is understood as leaving the political construction European Union, but geographically it will keep attached to the European continent, not drift away in the ocean like an ice floe. And since betting is a typical British game, as answer to the question of which nationality those betting at this high risk hold, only Brits come to mind. ;D

But isn't it nice of at least some thinking about welfare in Britain and invest and risk some, even if it might be 1 GBP only, instead of running away from UK's very likely dim future? ;)

Roger, what are you trying to achieve by repeating such rumors?

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« Reply #149 on: March 04, 2019, 08:56:22 PM »
Very good news:- flights to Europe are back to normal.  We have all got time to get to Sunderland on 16th March for the Brexit March on Westminster. 
https://order-order.com/2019/02/28/brexiteers-march-sunderland-westminster/
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