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Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: Today at 05:00:40 AM »

One million join march against Brexit as Tories plan to oust May

Organisers hail UK’s ‘biggest-ever demo’, while Tom Watson leads calls for fresh referendum

In one of the biggest demonstrations in British history, a crowd estimated at over one million people yesterday marched peacefully through central London to demand that MPs grant them a fresh referendum on Brexit.

Full article: The Guardian

They really gotta hurry up now, as the EU elections have to be prepared in case it turns out different from the first referendum. April 12 is the set date for last chance to prepare.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 22, 2019, 08:33:36 AM »

My daily news info I usually gather from the German sites DIE ZEIT, der Spiegel, Frankfurter Allgemeine and Süddeutsche Zeitung, before I venture to international sites. Today is headline, that the EU offered an extension until May 22 to the UK, if their parliament still agreed to the already negotiated contract in the coming week. If not, they got to leave on April 12. But until then there is still the possibility to extend membership for at least one year. April 12 is the last day Britain could still start preparing for the EU elections.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 21, 2019, 10:59:32 PM »

 Petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 21, 2019, 03:42:01 AM »

As seen on Guido:-

WATCH IT ALL HERE ALL OF THE TIME FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER STOP! THE BREXIT IS OFFICIALLY GOING ON FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER BE FINALLY DECIDED WHO HAS WON THE BREXIT! THERE IS STILL FOREVER TO DISCUSS FOR AND FOREVER TO DISCUSS IT IN! pic.twitter.com/yjk5tlDLEj

— Jack Tindale (@JackTindale) March 11, 2019
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 20, 2019, 09:09:56 PM »

May asked for a delay of 3 months. What does she want to achieve by that? I hope, the EU won't grant an extension longer than May 23, before the election. Longer bears heavy risks. Better not extend at all!
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 19, 2019, 04:05:36 PM »

Parliament exists to carry out the wishes of the People.  However, Parliament has completely lost sight of this fact.

Aux armes, Citoyens
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 16, 2019, 06:39:47 PM »

A poll ran by Civey today had almost 60% of respondents voting against agreeing to extend Brexit. Get it over with, and the sooner the EU will be fine again! The UK? They'll get what they voted for. Their problem now!
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 15, 2019, 04:56:55 PM »

This from The Nation:-

No major harm to Thailand from Brexit, say experts businessMarch 15, 2019 01:00 By PHUWIT LIMVIPHUWAT
THE NATION
2,688 Viewed EXPERTS PREDICT that Brexit will have a limited impact on the Thai economy, saying that the biggest loser will be the United Kingdom itself.  On Tuesday, UK lawmakers rejected May’s Brexit agreement proposal by 391 to 242 votes in the House of Commons. On Wednesday, the no-deal Brexit option – a scenario in which the UK would leave the EU without any agreement in place – was also rejected by the Commons. The UK is due to leave the EU on March 29. UK lawmakers were voting last night on whether to request a Brexit date extension. “Research has shown that Brexit is the UK and the European Union’s problem,” said Paiboon Nalinthrangkurn, chairman of the Federation of Thai Capital Market Organisations (Fetco).

He argued that in the worst-case scenario where the UK leaves the EU with no-deal, the Thai economy may only take a 0.1- to 0.2-per-cent hit to its Gross Domestic Product (GDP), while the UK would go into a recession in 2020, with a GDP growth contraction of 0.6 per cent, from an original forecast of 2-per-cent growth.  The Commerce Ministry’s Department of Trade Negotiations (DTN) views the economic impacts of Brexit on the Thai economy as being unclear. “The impacts of recent developments concerning Brexit are still unclear. However, Brexit will mostly impact the UK’s economy,” said Auramon Supthaweethum, DTN director-general.   The UK had been preparing its customs [department] to cope with Brexit for some time, and predicted that Thai trade was unlikely to be disrupted by the event, she said.  “For example, they are prepared to establish and manage their own trade customs with their own customs officers,” she explained. However, the prospect of the UK leaving the EU may complicate the free trade agreement (FTA) negotiations between Thailand and the EU. Thailand is expecting to continue its Thai-EU FTA negotiations in the second half of this year after it was halted four years ago, Auramon said. “After the Thai election in March and the European Parliament election in May, the Thai-EU FTA negotiations will likely be back on the table,” she said.  “Brexit will not affect the Thai-EU FTA negotiations,” she assured, explaining that Thailand would continue to negotiate with the EU bloc without the UK if it decided to leave the EU.  “However, given that the UK is currently Thailand’s second largest trading partner in the EU, Thailand will also be seeking to establish an FTA with the UK after Brexit,” said Auramon.  Representatives from Thailand’s private sector have voiced their demand for an improvement in the ease of trade between the Kingdom and the EU, as well as with the UK, she added.  In 2018, Thailand’s trade with the UK was valued at Bt226 billion, with Thai exports accounting for up to Bt130 billion, according to the Thai Customs Department.  Meanwhile, one possible impact of Brexit on Thai trade is on the country-specific quota tax on Thai exports to the EU, according to the director-general.  Currently, Thai exports such as rice and cassava would be taxed at a higher rate if the quantity exported to the EU exceeded the set quota. “When the UK leaves the EU, there may a need to make amendments to the quota of goods, as the UK will also need to establish their own separate quota on Thai exports,” she explained.  Auramon said Thailand would negotiate a new post-Brexit quota with both the UK and the EU and she guaranteed that it would not be any lower than the current EU quota, which includes the UK.  Hiroki Matsumata, president of the Japan External Trade Organisation Bangkok (Jetro Bangkok) and Asean’s chief representative, said: “The direct impacts of Brexit on the Thai economy are going to be limited. However, it is still too soon to say what the positive and negative indirect impacts of the historic break-up are going to be. “For Japanese firms in Thailand, both Brexit and the US-China trade war represent the rise of protectionist trends around the world. However, Japanese firms believe Thailand and other Asean members champion free trade and that after Brexit, Thailand will continue to push for more free trade with the EU and the UK,” he said.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:43:54 PM »

Parliament voted against a no-deal Brexit, that's why PM May wants parliament to vote a third time on her deal. She had two shots already, so why not give the public a second shot referendum on the Brexit?
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 13, 2019, 07:18:00 AM »

This extracted from order-order.com...a little story about the Attorney General

The PM might feel that she took a bit of a spanking from the Attorney General this morning. Which reminds Guido of an amusing anecdote. Back in 2000 defending Robin Peverett, (66), the former headmaster of the elite Dulwich College, his barrister Geoffrey Cox said “What’s a little buttock fondling after all? It was all such a long time ago”.

“This sort of thing happened all the time in my school. It was a different era when headmasters considered themselves Gods, like barristers,” he added, dismissing a reporter who posed questions afterwards as someone who “went to a little comp somewhere.” Old school Tory…
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 12, 2019, 04:27:09 PM »

And now there is even a King's College Frankfurt, so the kids don't have to learn German to go to school or attend that (American) FIS Frankfurt International School or ISF International School Frankfurt  Rhein–Main, or the Metropolitan School Frankfurt etc., when the banking father moves after his job to Frankfurt:

https://kcfrankfurt.de/the-school/kings-college-frankfurt/

One's gotta be really rich to send a kid there! :spin

International Schools are booming in Frankfurt just like the banks! That fairly new King's College is not on the map, yet, but must be near main / taunus international school in the upper part. And Dreieich is in the lower part near Strothoff International School Rhein Main.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 12, 2019, 02:14:29 PM »

Sterling surges as May secures Brexit assurances, yen dips

Sterling rose sharply on Tuesday as speculation swirled that British Prime Minister Theresa May might be closer to securing approval for her Brexit deal.

The pound extended earlier gains as May won legally binding Brexit assurances from the European Union, in a last ditch attempt to sway rebellious British lawmakers who have threatened to vote down her divorce deal in a parliamentary vote on Tuesday.

Sterling, jumped as high as $1.3290 as some investors bolstered bet the prime minister could secure a divorce deal before Britain’s scheduled March 29 departure from the EU.

The pound was last trading 0.6 percent higher on the day at $1.3223, having been as low as $1.2945 at one stage on Monday.

The euro slid to its lowest on the pound since mid-2017 at 84.71 pence. It was last quoted down about 0.4 percent on the day at 85.15 pence.

At a joint news conference with European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker late on Monday, May announced three documents aimed at addressing the most contentious part of the exit deal she agreed in November – the Irish backstop.

“Seeing them together in the same screen, is a positive – that there is some hand holding there and working together to move forward,” said Bart Wakabayashi, Tokyo branch manager at State Street Bank.

The Irish backstop is an insurance policy aimed at avoiding controls on the sensitive border between the British province of Northern Ireland and EU member Ireland.

“If they can break (the backstop) down to a level where there can be some negotiation or at least compromise on both sides, there definitely does seem (to be) light at the end of the tunnel,” added Wakabayashi.

If May loses the vote on Tuesday, she has said lawmakers will get a vote on Wednesday on whether to leave without a deal and, if they reject that, then a vote on whether to ask for a limited delay to Brexit.

Most other currencies stayed within familiar trading ranges before U.S. February inflation figures expected later on Tuesday.

The dollar index, which measures the greenback against a basket of six rivals, fell almost 0.2 percent to 97.063 on a modest improvement in investors’ risk appetite.

Against the Japanese yen, a safe-haven currency often bought in times of rising volatility, the dollar was 0.2 percent higher at 111.43 yen.

Data on Monday showed U.S. retail sales rose modestly in January, lifted by an increase in purchases of building materials and discretionary spending, but a drop in December was even larger than initially thought.

The euro found support against the dollar on the Brexit news and the improvement in risk appetite. The single currency was last up about 0.15 percent at $1.1259.

 (Reuters)  magafirstnews.com
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 12, 2019, 08:07:16 AM »

Before today's vote:

German newspapers report there were a breakthrough in the negotiations regarding the backstop, but don't explicitly explain details. The Guardian explains:

Here’s a little more detail on what the cabinet secretary, David Lidington, has told MPs about the negotiations in Strasbourg:

  • We will be laying two new documents in the House: A joint, legally binding instrument on the withdrawal agreement and protocol on Northern Ireland; and a joint statement to supplement the political declaration.

    The first provides confirmation that the EU cannot try to trap the UK in the backstop indefinitely and that doing so would be an explicit breach of the legally-binding commitments that both sides have agreed.

    If – contrary to all expectations – the EU were to act with that intention, the UK could use this acceptance of what could constitute an explicit breach as the basis for a formal dispute, through independent arbitration, that such a breach had occurred – ultimately suspending the protocol if thew EU continued to breach its obligations.

    On top of this, the joint instrument also reflect the United Kingdom’s and European Union’s commitment to work to replace the backstop with alternative arrangements by December 2020, setting out explicitly that these arrangements do not need to replicate the provisions of the backstop in any respect.

Reactions seem to be mixed.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 11, 2019, 01:41:50 PM »

Will anybody still be interested in moving back to what is going to remain of the UK, if tomorrow the outcome will be a "no-deal Brexit" and more bankers and businesses run to the mainland Europe? Except Roger of course! ;)
More than 275 financial firms are moving a combined $1.2 trillion in assets and funds and thousands of staff from Britain to the European Union in readiness for Brexit at a cost of up to $4 billion, a report from a think tank said on Monday. finance.yahoo.com
pic@ Reuters

Split and moved here from Thread My troubled email by admin.

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 10, 2019, 12:06:55 AM »

Article in the Guardian about a Brexit comedy evening: Never Mind the Brexit: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/mar/08/never-mind-the-backstop-camden-comedy-club-brexit-standups
Here is one of the comments btl:-

An Englishman, a Frenchman, a Spaniard, and a German start to argue about whose native language is the most beautiful.

The Englishman begins. "England is the land of Shakespeare and literature, and our language is filled with beautiful poetry. Take the word 'butterfly'. It conveys such a beautiful image of that creature smoothly flying through the air like butter."


The Frenchman responds. "Nothing in English can compare to the natural beauty of the French language. Bah, 'butter fly'. That can not even begin to compare the angelic beauty of our word, 'papillon'".


The Spaniard now pipes in. "I understand the pride that both of you feel about your languages, but seriously, our word is by far the most word: 'mariposa'".


All turn to the German who is just sitting there, sulking. Finally, he bursts out with, "So ... what's wrong with 'Schmetterling', anyway?"
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 09, 2019, 12:48:00 PM »

Looks like your client has to find another place for the negotiations, as I am not inclined to come to a HOBS bar further than walking distance from my house. Best preparation would be to open a HOBS bar in this village.  Of course I reserve the right to make another decision upon completion, if it doesn't suit my taste.

And of course all the Paulaner consumed during the negotiations must be included in the final price for the condo. But I wonder, whether three people can drink fast enough for the bill to keep pace with the rising estate prices around Frankfurt due to bankers running from the Brexit. ;)
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 09, 2019, 12:37:42 PM »

Johnnie, my client has instructed me to begin negotiations with you for the purchase of the condo.  My client is an extremely wealthy banker and already owns a large estate just outside Frankfurt. He is now looking to acquire a number of condos for his domestic staff:- drivers, gardeners etc.  Can we begin negotiations this coming Monday at HOBS bar? My client can be an extremely difficult person and so negotiations are expected to take some time, maybe years.  All Paulaner consumed during the negotiation period is to be to the account of Mr. Johnnie.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 09, 2019, 11:07:50 AM »

Looks like you have a friend who wants to migrate from London to Frankfurt going after his bank job. He can contact me about buying my apartment in Dreieich, a very well connected idyllic town a couple of km south of the city, not far from the airport. 58 sqm, two rooms, kitchen, big hall, bathroom, balcony, cellar, parking space, elevator, playground etc. for about €210,000 (185,000 GBP) in that town is a bargain. With all costs of the transfer and taxes it will be around €240,000 ( 206,000 GBP). Almost everybody advises me not to sell now, as prices are expected to jump higher still, when there is going to  be a no-deal Brexit.

You can see, that the average price per sqm is not only higher than the average in the state of Hessen, but also a lot higher than the average price in whole Germany. I don't think I want to live there again: boring neighbors of only bank employees running from the Brexit living around Frankfurt now!

€9,25 for a bottle Paulaner cannot be deemed very expensive anymore. Gladly cover that, if your friend buys that apartment from me. :)

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 09, 2019, 10:19:55 AM »

Johnnie, I have decided on the venue for the drinks session:- HOBS bar at IconSiam.  The Paulaner Weissbier is a mere 330 Baht (€9.25) per 500ml.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2019, 02:57:14 PM »

I wonder, how you always find articles as badly researched, Roger!  ;)

No, the Euro is still considerably over the low of last months. 1 minute ago it was 35.67506 to the THB, while about a month ago it had plunged below 35 even. And the GBP is down to 41.64283 to the baht as well. China's problems keep all in the same boat. Only Trump still expects the USA to benefit from his trade war.

But the ultra-cheap credit policy is fact. My bank in Germany just yesterday offered me a loan at an effective interest rate of 2.01 %. It just doesn't mean that the UK might be better off without a deal. That's not what has been said. The talk was about the uncertainty. As long as May keeps traveling to Brussels in hope of any further concessions there is uncertainty. Once she gives up her hopes businesses, both in the UK and the EU, can make decisions based upon what they see coming instead of unreliable politicians' promises, and we know more. Until then everything is pure speculation, gambling, the betting Brits love so much.

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...strengthen Britain’s hand in EU negotiations

Britain needs to "strengthen its hand in EU negotiations" can only be interpreted as not having a strong hand now. :-[
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 08, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »

I thought you would enjoy this JF . . . .

Euro plunges to 21-month low after gloomy ECB unveils new stimulus and slashes growth forecasts

    ''European Central Bank unveils new stimulus to prop up economy
    Banks will be offered more cheap loans to boost growth
    Stocks knocked by ECB slashing growth forecasts
    ECB warns interest rates will remain ultra-low until at least end of 2019
    Britain will prosper with a 'hard but smart' Brexit say German economists
    Businesses on edge as 'secretive' ministers plot drastic action on tariffs
''.

''Embracing free trade would limit the damage caused by a "no deal" Brexit, give a bounty of cheaper imports to consumers and strengthen Britain’s hand in EU negotiations, according to top German economists. Slashing all import tariffs after Brexit would cut costs for households and businesses, giving the economy a boost, the Ifo Institute said in a new report, calling this model a “hard but smart” Brexit.

At the same time it would rebalance the power around the negotiating table, which is currently based on a "no deal" Brexit harming the UK because it would involve Britain imposing WTO taxes on its own consumers
.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/07/markets-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-ecb-set-signal-fresh/

and https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/1640852/draghi-slashes-ecb-outlook-as-officials-inject-more-stimulus?
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2019, 12:13:49 PM »

Topic: The Brexit  (Read 27861 times)

Wow, I would never have thought, that this topic would get as many views with just 166 posts by only a hand full of posters. That's a post to page views ratio of 1:167.

Definitely must have something to do with what Fluffy remarked:

It's unlike most of other discussions about the Brexit from different viewpoints, it's full of knowledge and not so hard-headed: enjoyable! Keep on like that! :)

On a parallel forum 588 posts to this topic got only 15,006 views! That's 1:26.

But of course, when somebody writes "Italy has already said that in the event of a no-deal, it will seek it's own agreement with the UK", it's plain to see that there isn't any understanding of the EU behind that, because member states just cannot make any own deals with third countries (non-members), that's what they joined the EU for: to get the most by united action.

P.S. Actually the high post to page views ratio is not so surprising, when you look at the forum stats: 30,569,255 page views on 45,730 posts. that makes a ratio of 1:668.  :)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2019, 09:54:19 AM »

Foreignpolicy.com has its view on something really serious in case of a No-Deal Brexit: a toilet paper shortage! Ok, the Korat expat returning home to the UK says: "Fine with me, I got used to those bum guns they use in Thailand!" But those who have seen a little more of Thailand will know, not everywhere there is a bum gun installed or toilet paper provided; at some places there is just a Thai toilet with a bucket of water for flushing. A shortage of toilet paper, especially since it has the reputation of being heavy duty quality like Reynolds Wrap, might lead to serious problems in the UK; I don't even dare to picture any of those...  :fart ;D

Or it's back to buying The Sun and Daily Mail as paper again to read and use in the loo... :evilgrin
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:25:56 PM »

Hi Fluffy, thanks for the praises! And welcome to the forum!

 :cheers

Johnnie F.
Posted by: Fluffy
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:09:22 PM »

Compliments, guys, I like to read your bantering about this topic. It's unlike most of other discussions about the Brexit from different viewpoints, it's full of knowledge and not so hard-headed: enjoyable! Keep on like that! :)

My opinion? I keep hoping that it won't turn out too bad, though it will take it's toll.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 05:50:41 PM »

That does not sound good. I imagine there is no appeal against the tax man’s valuation?  This could only happen in the EU.

Of course there is, if you want to invest the postage for a few pennies difference in tax your tenant has to pay. The taxation of estate property in Germany is done by the cities and towns according to their revenue statutes; and it is used to build and maintain roads etc. The nicer and better developed the town, the higher is the value of houses. Taxation can be different again in the next town with potholed streets etc. just 1 km away, so it can't be blamed on the EU.

BTW the same thing happens in the USA as well, only there the tax on your house is not a few Euros, it's a couple of thousand dollars for a ridiculous shack, if that gains value; there it's estimated and collected by the state to my knowledge.  8)

May I imagine, that in the UK one does not need to pay taxes, but gets money from the taxman in addition to your income, holdings and possessions? Of course that were a decent thing? ;D
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 05:33:09 PM »

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The taxman asks for annual tax payments on the value estimated by himself every 5 years.

That does not sound good. I imagine there is no appeal against the tax man’s valuation?  This could only happen in the EU.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 04:19:31 PM »

I haven't sold it yet, only noticed the rise in value from the last tax bill. The taxman asks for annual tax payments on the value estimated by himself every 5 years. No problem so far, as my tenant has to pay that tax for me as part of his utilities bill.

If you buy it from me at the value estimated by the taxman or find a buyer for that price, I will gladly pay a few pints to help you get over these Brexit woes. ;D
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 03:35:00 PM »

Johnnie, I am pleased to hear that you have made good gains on your condo in Frankfurt.  I think you should show appreciation to staunch Brexiteers like Roger and myself by standing us a round of drinks.  But somewhere decent, not in the G&D.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 03:19:11 PM »

The "key" to the world nowadays belongs to the conglomerate "Big Money", of which the UK held a considerable share in London. But the caretakers of "Big Money" (mainly banks) have a problem with pulling the strings from London, if the UK doesn't have good connections to the rest of the world anymore. A No-Deal Brexit would cut a lot of those strings. In fear of that quite a considerable numbers of banks have moved their operation centers to cities on the mainland Europe already. Just look at Frankfurt. My condo there about doubled in value within the last five years. Frankfurt used to be a nice city, but now it seems to become more hectic than ever; first it was the crumbling of the East Block 30 years ago, now it is the run of "Big Money" from "brexiting" Britain, going steep up since the Brexit referendum. 
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 02:23:15 PM »

Yes, the British Empire started to crumble rapidly after the First World War.  I think in one of my previous posts I even suggested that we might sell of Gibraltar if that were to ease any Spanish difficulties.  All Empires eventually come to an end:- Roman Empire,  Ottoman Empire, British Empire,  Russian Empire (USSR).  Next to fall will be the EU Empire (European Union of Socialist States)
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 07, 2019, 01:29:39 PM »

Hi JF. I'll leave TT to answer your reponse but re. EMPIRE - yep the British Empire is long gone and 3 cheers for that  ;)  But if you think OUT of the EU means more isolation, hopefully not !

There's a whole World outside the EU you know  8)  BFN
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:51:15 AM »

Maybe some Brits will find this "acceptable" now, but how will any trade partners in Europe or anywhere else on the planet think of the UK? Will they find the UK a reliable trade partner and risk business or investments? Will they find those politicians "acceptable" in the sense of trustworthy? It's highly questionable! Did Brit politicians at any given time think of the psychological impacts of their move on other countries' politics and trade relations? ;)

Be realistic: the days of THE BRITISH EMPIRE are over; it's just a country isolating itself more and more.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 09:21:55 AM »

Roger, this is the only acceptable one from your list and it could have been done 2 years ago:-
1. No deal Brexit
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 07, 2019, 08:23:46 AM »

Heard a strong assertion on BBC that Mrs May's deal WILL go down by 100 votes next Tuesday.

Alternative paths left are :-
1. No deal Brexit   ;D   ;D   ;D
2. Extension of Article 50 - that'd be OK and it would have to be limited to a few months with the European elections coming . . . however, Macron and others say extension is only possible IF something fundamental changes in the UK - such as a General Election, 2nd Referendum or a new Tory Leader  8)
3. 2nd Referendum - IMO this will only happen when ALL other alternatives are exhausted.
4. Norway Plus deal - as being discussed by Tory factions with Corbyn yesterday. As it would mean staying in the 'Customs Union' AND the 'Single Market', I don't see that getting through Parliament.
5. Remain  >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(

God only knows !

If it's 'no deal', this would be a strong first step in the UK rebirth, ''The UK government may cut trade tariffs on between 80% and 90% of goods in the event of a no-deal Brexit''. Brilliant.

Come on Jacob the Mogg ! Boris has had a haircut - anything could happen.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:14:25 AM »

The great thing about all this Brexit uncertainty is that it has gummed up the workings of Government for two years.  When governments get elected they set out to impress the electorate by creating as many new laws as possible despite the fact that there are already far too many laws which are never correctly applied. So the Brexit hiatus has given us a respite from unnecessary lawmaking.
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 06, 2019, 08:53:04 PM »

Fresh backstop talks in Brussels end with no breakthrough
European Commission: No solution identified at this point
Downing Street: Talks with EU have been 'difficult'
Woody Johnson: Scare stories about US food created by EU
Former MI6 head says no deal Brexit is better than May's deal
Opinion: UK defeated EU - it should be demanding surrender terms
Opinion: PM must decide if she's serious about no-deal Brexit
Philip Johnston: The Prime Minister's Brexit gamble has backfired

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 04, 2019, 09:35:12 PM »

Brexit bribe? UK PM Theresa May unveils $2.1 billion fund for Brexit-backing towns

The opposition Labour Party's finance spokesman, John McDonnell, said the fund was "Brexit bribery".

British Prime Minister Theresa May will on Monday set out plans for a 1.6 billion pound ($2.11 billion) fund to help to boost economic growth in Brexit-supporting communities with ministers denying it was a bribe to win support for her EU exit deal.

The "Stronger Towns Fund", details of which appeared in newspapers last month, is seen by many as part of May's efforts to win support for her Brexit deal from opposition Labour lawmakers who represent areas, particularly in northern England that voted strongly in favour of leaving the European Union.

Britain is due to leave the bloc at the end of the month and May, whose exit deal with Brussels was rejected by a large majority of lawmakers in January, has promised parliament will get to vote on a revised deal by March 12.

The government said the fund would be targeted at places that had not shared fairly in the country's prosperity and would be used to create new jobs, help to train people and boost economic activity.

"Communities across the country voted for Brexit as an expression of their desire to see change; that must be a change for the better, with more opportunity and greater control," May said in a statement.

"These towns have a glorious heritage, huge potential and, with the right help, a bright future ahead of them."

The opposition Labour Party's finance spokesman, John McDonnell, said the fund was "Brexit bribery".

"This towns fund smacks of desperation from a government reduced to bribing Members of Parliament to vote for their damaging flagship Brexit legislation," he said in a statement.

However, Communities Secretary James Brokenshire said the money was not linked to support for the withdrawal agreement.

"This is funding is there regardless of the outcome," he told BBC radio when asked if the money was a bribe. Obviously we want to see a deal happening. But no, there is no conditionality in that sense."

One billion pounds has already been allocated, with more than half going to towns across the north of England. A further 600 million pounds will be available for communities around the country to bid for, the government said.

Critics said that the fund, when divided between a large of areas, would not provide individual towns with that much money, nor make up for what they had lost as a result of government cuts in recent years.

Brokenshire did not say how many towns would benefit but said the money could be "transformative".

"It can make that difference on creating the jobs, actually putting the skills in place and changing people's lives in a modern positive economy," he said.

REUTERS economictimes.indiatimes.com
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 04, 2019, 08:56:22 PM »

Very good news:- flights to Europe are back to normal.  We have all got time to get to Sunderland on 16th March for the Brexit March on Westminster. 
https://order-order.com/2019/02/28/brexiteers-march-sunderland-westminster/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 04, 2019, 08:33:38 AM »

European investors are taking major bets on the UK economy


Very precisely put, stating there are at least two betting on the unlikely against maybe millions clear-thinking investors in Europe, but not telling how much or little (1 GBP or even 2 GBP) they bet against these extremely high odds. They could win millions at these odds. And of course the article, which I even don't bother reading, isn't telling where these gamblers are. The British island or the mainland Europe. I assume, Brexit is understood as leaving the political construction European Union, but geographically it will keep attached to the European continent, not drift away in the ocean like an ice floe. And since betting is a typical British game, as answer to the question of which nationality those betting at this high risk hold, only Brits come to mind. ;D

But isn't it nice of at least some thinking about welfare in Britain and invest and risk some, even if it might be 1 GBP only, instead of running away from UK's very likely dim future? ;)

Roger, what are you trying to achieve by repeating such rumors?
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 04, 2019, 07:10:31 AM »

''European investors are taking major bets on the UK economy, more than doubling investment in Britain over the past three years. Uncertainty around Brexit has not stopped companies on the continent from embarking on a major deal spree in the UK, indicating faith in the economy’s long-term prospects among foreign money managers.

Buyers in the EU have snapped up 553 UK assets through mergers and acquisitions and private placements in the past year, according to S&P Capital IQ data. Purchases of companies, property and stakes in fast-growing firms totalled $31.1bn over the past 12 months
.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/03/europeans-double-uk-investment-since-brexit-vote/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 03, 2019, 10:36:10 PM »

Right, if they find out they can't do without the EU, there is still the possibility to reapply for membership. Just keep your fingers crossed, there won't be too much damage in the meantime.
Posted by: Winterton
« on: March 03, 2019, 08:59:04 PM »

There is no point delaying Brexit if an agreement is still unlikely. Just get on with it. The 29th of March is as good a day as any.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 02, 2019, 07:09:29 PM »

There are more and more voices in EU member countries against a delay of Brexit, because of the elections to the European Parliament on May 26,2019. It were unfair to let the UK have a vote still, if they want to leave anyway. Deadlocked?

So it seems to come down to the options leave without a better deal than agreed to by the EU or remain.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 02, 2019, 06:49:22 PM »

Also scared of a no-deal Bexit:

Ryanair moves spare parts from Britain to EU countries before Brexit

 Berlin (dpa) - Europe's biggest budget airline is taking precautions in case of a no-deal Brexit by shifting some of its spare parts from a British central storage unit to other EU locations.

Ryanair's director of maintenance and engineering told dpa that Britain's unregulated departure from the European Union could make moving parts around difficult because of customs restrictions, for example.

"We're concerned that it could take longer to get spare parts to airports where we need them quickly from the central storage in Stansted," Karsten Muehlenfeld said, referring to a London airport.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary is an outspoken critic of Brexit, though he says his Irish airline, which is registered in the EU and not in Britain, will not be as badly affected as some British-based airlines.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 02, 2019, 03:32:09 PM »

I think we are more closely related to the Scandinavians who will vehemently deny that they are European:-

The Norse Legacy in English

Thanks to the cross-cultural fermentation that occured in the Danelaw — and later when England was temporarily absorbed into Canute the Great’s North Sea Kingdom — the English language is much closer to that of its Scandinavian neighbors than many acknowledge. By the time the Norman conquest brought the irreversible influence of French, Old English had already been transformed beyond its Anglo-Saxon roots.

This is still in evidence today; modern English grammar and syntax are more similar to modern Scandinavian languages than to Old English. This suggests that Old Norse didn’t just introduce new words, but influenced how the Anglo-Saxons constructed their sentences. Some linguists even claim that English should be reclassified as a North Germanic language (along with Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic and Swedish), rather than a West Germanic language (with Dutch and German). The Viking influence may be most apparent in the Yorkshire dialect, which uses even more Norse words in daily speech than standard English does.

English is probably too much of a hybrid to ever neatly classify, but its Old Norse rót is clearly there among the tangle of Anglo-Saxon, French and Latin roots. The language of the Vikings may have become subdued over the centuries, but make no mistaka about it — from byrðr (birth) undtil we deyja (die) — Norse’s raw energy simmers under the surface of everything we say.

Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:47:43 PM »

Never heard of that guy. Does he have ancestors born in Germany like Trump? ;)


When you try to look up his name on Google, not one entry of a German webpage mentioning him can be found among the first five SERPs. I didn't bother to look further.

Guess he makes money entertaining Brits to their likeness pretending to be a German mocker.  ;)

We also got "Brits" in Germany trying to make money pretending to represent British lifestyle and do just clowning.

Now try to find out where the Anglo-Saxons came from. You will find out, that the British are closer related to the Germanic people than to others.

Maybe the people on the continent are not so much different than Brits like to believe. Anyway, this topic is about the modalities of the Brexit; it is fact, that those have not been thought over well enough before the referendum. People were left to the lies of some politicians. Now there is chaos. And both sides are working on sorting things out. But it is like it was before: Demands of Brit politicians are just unrealistic.

Does anybody expect those 27 countries to give in fully to the demands of the politicians of an island, who have been nagging all along? Probably the majority are secretly happy to get rid of them. But of course they can't let them go for free, debts have to be settled and contracts to be fulfilled.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:08:39 PM »

Hi Johnnie,

This is a funny clip from one of your fellow countrymen:-

https://order-order.com/2019/03/01/german-comedian-nails-brexit/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 01, 2019, 08:40:06 AM »

Germany... on the brink of recession

First time I ever heard this!  :)

Is this credible? ;)

Or isn't that more credible?

"Germany's economy witnessed lackluster growth in 2018, according to flash data released Tuesday, in line with expectations. German gross domestic product (GDP) grew 1.5 percent in 2018, compared with 2.2 percent in 2017, the latest data from the Federal Statistics Office (Destatis) showed.)

cnbc.com

The unemployment rate in the EU varied between 2.1% (Czech Republique), 3.3% (Germany) up to 18.6% in "problem child" Greece.

statista.com

Now who would blame the unemployment in Greece on the Brexit  for example? They had it far worse long before the Brexit referendum and are recovering steadily. :)




Posted by: Roger
« on: March 01, 2019, 06:32:55 AM »

''Britain's economy is set to boom and become the largest in Europe - because of Brexit

The public finances are on the mend, recording a healthy surplus in January on booming tax receipts. Employment is at record levels, with real wage growth at a two-year high. Despite a global slowdown, Britain expanded 1.4 per cent last year, recording just 4 per cent unemployment. Yet Germany and France are on the brink of recession, the Italian economy is contracting and eurozone joblessness is twice as high.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 28, 2019, 06:54:07 PM »


A hard Brexit will affect all major EU nations and let's face it, maybe Germany most.
Disaster was your word.

Your presumption is, that people in Britain will then not demand products imported from Germany and the other EU countries anymore at all.

What will change for them is, that they got to pay more, but not because the producer had raised prices, simply because the Brit government was so silly to think they could force people to buy products "made in the UK" instead by imposing high tariffs. Who will the conscious British consumers blame for that "disaster" of a higher price for their preferred item?  ;)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 28, 2019, 03:41:51 PM »

Johnnie. The EU has a massive trade surplus in goods to the UK...

Now come on, Roger, you won't blame the EU for Brits' preferences for imported stuff over domestic. Do you think , when UK and EU are separated by custom tariffs, all of a sudden Brits will feel happier with domestic products? Sounds a little like that Yankee Trump, who wants to keep his voters from buying imported cars by imposing high tariffs. You can't blame politics for the preferences of consumers.

And blaming citizens from the other EU states for not buying "Made in the U.K.", if there are better alternatives...  ::)

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The world’s largest sovereign wealth fund is taking a 30-year bet that Britain will emerge from Brexit stronger outside the European Union.

Betting is a game with a possibility of loosing. ;)

Quote
We will never agree - I'm a 100% Brexiteer

Again and again I have to declare, that I am not against letting the nagging Brits go, the problem is only, what terms have to be applied to the separation. The EU will probably also be better off without that island after a while. and I'm sure it won't take 30 years to recover. Trade exchange figures from the past cannot be applied to the future. The problem is the sorting out of what is still there, what contracts have been made and how they can be canceled or modified with only a minimum damage to either party.
Posted by: Roger
« on: February 28, 2019, 03:13:34 PM »

Johnnie. The EU has a massive trade surplus in goods to the UK although there are differing figures around.
A hard Brexit will affect all major EU nations and let's face it, maybe Germany most.
Disaster was your word.

The EU (and the Euro) have benefited Germany above most other Countries - there'll be little disagreement about that in Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain etc. Discontent abounds in France, Holland, Hungary and many other Countries too. Let's see what the coming EU elections bring . . .

It is the UK's democratic decision to leave the EU and that's that. I'll compliment the EU negotiators with having done a thoroughly ruthless task on the UK. Theresa May's negotiation has been pathetic from the start.

As for the future - ''The world’s largest sovereign wealth fund is taking a 30-year bet that Britain will emerge from Brexit stronger outside the European Union. In an unexpected move, Norway’s £740 billion wealth fund said yesterday that it would increase its exposure to British companies, property and bonds regardless of the outcome of Brexit negotiations. This comes despite a 12 per cent fall in the value of its £62 billion of UK investments this year. Britain is the third largest market for the fund’s investment capital, which was built up from Norway’s oil and gas revenues.''

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/world-s-top-wealth-fund-puts-billions-into-britain-qswjw8637

We will never agree - I'm a 100% Brexiteer  :)
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: February 27, 2019, 08:43:23 PM »

Here is Theresa May at Prime Minister’s Questions today.  https://order-order.com/2019/02/27/may-fudges-no-deal-commitment/

No deal better than bad deal.

TM is just so incredibly suburban.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 27, 2019, 10:07:47 AM »

The prospect of Brit politicians slowly coming to grips and thinking about a delay of the Brexit or even a new referendum seems to have given some hope; the exchange rate jumped to 41.71971 THB for the GBP. 
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: February 26, 2019, 12:44:46 PM »

Chagos, and Diego Garcia in particular, is a long running British disgrace.  Should have been handed back to the Chagossians years ago. 
Also, it is worth mentioning Gibraltar.  These days it mainly seems to be a base for offshore gambling companies. I don’t think too many illegal immigrants are trying to reach Britain via the Straits of Gibraltar.  I am sure the Spanish would be happy to pay a few billion for it.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 26, 2019, 11:25:11 AM »

Looks like there are more problems for the UK ahead:

UN court rejects UK's claim of sovereignty over Chagos Islands

That's especially interesting, because of Diego Garcia, a secret US prison similar to Guantanamo Bay, the Brits have leased to the US.

Headlines like that will help forming opinions about the Brexit. ;)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 26, 2019, 08:30:02 AM »

Latest news are that Jeremy Corbyn now backs the majority of his party to hold a second referendum, according to The Guardian. But I don't think that's it already.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: February 26, 2019, 08:07:30 AM »

Europe is a great place with some of the best countries in the world.  I worked in Italy for 4 years and enjoyed every minute of it.  I consider myself to be thoroughly European.  However, the EU is a totally different beast: European Union of Socialist States.  The trouble with this tediously long Brexit saga is the incompetence of the MPs in the British Parliament. The Opposition is riven with disputes about “antisemetism” . The Labour MPs have a group called Labour Friends of Israel and there is a Conservative group called Conservative Friends of Israel.  I think that all Jews and Moslems should be barred from holding public office.  Also, the Electoral Register should be revised to remove all Jews and Moslems.  The U.K. should then be able to elect MPs, all of whom are Friends of Britain and could work together for the best Brexit solution.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 25, 2019, 08:50:35 PM »

''Why not stop "thinking" and cancel the whole?'' - I'm assuming you talking about disbanding the EU  ;)

Of course I was not talking about "disbanding the EU"; The EU is fine. Miserable are Brits who voted for leaving the EU without thinking about how it should be done without causing too much damage to themselves.

Sure, also the EU will suffer some damage from this move of the UK, but no single country in the EU will suffer nearly as much as the UK. That's what UK politicians didn't think about, if they were thinking at all. Just look at the damage this has already done to the UK. And it will cause even more.

Think about Northern Ireland, think about Scotland, think about the people; British society has been torn apart, but it's not the slightest fault of the EU.

I'm for letting the UK split: the EU will probably be better off without them. Look how Frankfurt, Paris and Amsterdam are flourishing thanks to the banks running away from uncertain British politics. They're not only changing their headquarters, mainly they're not granting loans for investments to British companies - at a moment when loans are extremely cheap. But it is of benefit for the UK as well: flats are getting cheaper in London! ;)
Posted by: Roger
« on: February 25, 2019, 08:23:31 PM »

Hi Johnnie.

''Why not stop "thinking" and cancel the whole?'' - I'm assuming you talking about disbanding the EU  ;)

''The whole made them closer than ever, bonded'' - I doubt that very much indeed. If I was predicting I'd say that the opposite may turn out to be the truth. The Nation states will assert themselves in an instant when the Euro has further problems and recession bites, (not due to Brexit).

That's enough from us extremists . . .

Here's Boris :-

Boris Johnson in the DX today and IMO well said  ;)

''There is nothing extreme about standing by democracy. I don’t know about you, but I am getting sick of the constant suggestion that anyone who sticks up for Brexit must have far Right tendencies. I can’t understand why people are suddenly claiming that anyone who wants to get out of the EU – and follow the instructions of the British people – is a zealot, or an extremist, or Ukip, or Blukip, or some kind of ultra-conservative bigot. Where is this stuff coming from?''

ATB. Good to disagree . . .


Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 25, 2019, 05:32:13 PM »

Any thinking about the Brexit is useless; it always turns out different. Now they think about extending Britain's membership, some think about two months, others think about two years. Why not stop "thinking" and cancel the whole? Might be the easiest way out in the end. The EU won't move. The whole made them closer than ever, bonded. :)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 21, 2019, 11:48:51 AM »

I thought this had already been agreed:

Old tune from 1975:



The lyrics mean: If you think you think, then you only think you'd think... :-[
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: February 21, 2019, 09:49:15 AM »

I thought this had already been agreed:

Millions of Britons will have to pay €7 (£6.29) every three years for visa-free travel to the EU from 2021.

The post-Brexit move was confirmed by the European Commission in response to a question to its President Jean Claude-Juncker.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 21, 2019, 08:08:17 AM »

The Brexit is screwing things up even more: looks like Brits will be isolated. Even for a visit to mainland Europe a Schengen-Visa for 52 GBP might be needed. Does that include a Northern Irish crossing the border to Eire?

Britons may need £52 visa to visit mainland Europe after Brexit

I can understand that more and more MPs leave their parties over all this nonsense, be it from Labour or the Torys.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 20, 2019, 08:03:00 AM »

It doesn't matter, whether those are directly Brexit-related. Undeniable fact is, that the cooling of world economy due to Trump's trade wars etc. adds to the problems of the Brexit, we European expats already suffer from. The exchange rate of the EUR to THB is down to 35.3, the GBP is down to 40.6 THB. No reason to rejoice the Brexit wouldn't be a problem, it definitely is part of the problems, even if it weren't a major problem.

There are many saying, the Brexit leaves both the EU and UK better off , if cutting the ties wouldn't cause new problems or bring old ones back like conflicts about the border between the UK and Ireland.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: February 20, 2019, 12:54:01 AM »

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: February 17, 2019, 05:09:56 PM »

This from the Independent on the BMI collapse:-
The airline was heavily loss-making, and no-one was prepared to put in extra funding. The average passenger load per flight was just 18, meaning even the small regional jet planes flown by Flybmi were less than half-full. While many of the airline’s passengers were business travellers paying high fares, price-sensitive travellers (like me) would opt for alternative routes on cheaper carriers.
Nothing to do with Brexit.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 17, 2019, 09:20:11 AM »

After the 42 companies that already moved their operations to the Netherlands fearing the brexit, the British airline flybmi now canceled all its flights and filed for administration.

The BBC writes

Quote
The company said it had been badly affected by rises in fuel and carbon costs and uncertainty over Brexit.

The East Midlands-based airline, which has 376 staff, operates 17 planes flying to 25 European cities.

Affected passengers have been told to contact their travel agents or insurance and credit card companies.

A Flybmi spokesman said: "It is with a heavy heart that we have made this unavoidable announcement.

"The airline has faced several difficulties, including recent spikes in fuel and carbon costs, the latter arising from the EU's recent decision to exclude UK airlines from full participation in the Emissions Trading Scheme.

"Current trading and future prospects have also been seriously affected by the uncertainty created by the Brexit process, which has led to our inability to secure valuable flying contracts in Europe."
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: November 21, 2018, 05:31:05 PM »

But the Ulan Bator Stock Exchange has risen by 50% following the referendum.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: November 21, 2018, 02:51:24 PM »

Interesting article on CNN

Sounds very logic to me, that people feel uncertain and depressed, if the future of a country depends upon an  even split in society. It's difficult to identify oneself as belonging to "a majority" or "a minority". About the same applies to the US now: people either gotta be for Trump or against Trump. There are just two groups confronting each other. One can either be a friend or a foe; and that makes people depressed. Who knows who will be tomorrow on your or the other side? One cannot run with the crowd or be individualist, if there is no clear line.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 21, 2018, 11:44:38 AM »

Hundreds of thousands take to streets in London demanding second Brexit vote

Hundreds of thousands of supporters of the European Union marched through London on Saturday (Oct 20) in the biggest demonstration so far to demand that the British government holds a public vote on the terms of Brexit.

The protesters waved the blue and gold flag of the EU and held up "B******s to Brexit" banners under sunny skies to call for another referendum on the eventual deal on how Britain will leave the world's biggest trading bloc.

The march comes after another tumultuous week for Prime Minister Theresa May in which she failed to agree a divorce deal with EU leaders in Brussels and infuriated members of her own party by making further concessions in the talks.

With just over five months until Britain is due to leave there is no clarity about what a future trade deal with the EU will look like and some rebels in May's Conservative Party have threatened to vote down a deal if she clinches one.

James McGrory, one of the organisers of the march, said voters should have the chance to change their minds because the decision will impact their lives for generations.

"People think the Brexit negotiations are a total mess, they have no faith in the government to deliver the promises that were made, partly because they cannot be delivered," he said.

At the march, demonstrators carried placards saying "Brexit is pants", "Time for an EU turn" and "European and proud."

Organisers said about 700,000 people took part in the march, which would make it the largest in Britain since a demonstration against the Iraq war in 2003.

The "People's Vote" campaign, which includes several pro-EU groups, said they had stewards stationed at regular intervals to estimate the size of the crowd. The police did not provide an independent estimate of numbers participating.

Protesters originally gathered near Hyde Park and then walked past Downing Street and finished outside parliament where they listened to politicians from all main political parties.
BREXIT REVERSED?

Britain's 2016 referendum saw 52 per cent vote in favour of leaving the European Union. But the past two years have been politically fraught as the government has struggled to agree on a plan and there are fears that Britain could leave the bloc without a deal.

Some opinion polls have shown a slight shift in favour of remaining in the European Union, but there has yet to be a decisive change in attitudes and many in Britain say they have become increasingly bored by Brexit.

The prime minister has repeatedly ruled out holding a second referendum. The opposition Labour party's Brexit spokesman said last month his party open to a second referendum with the option of staying in the bloc in certain circumstances.

In Belfast in Northern Ireland, around 2,000 people gathered on Saturday to oppose Brexit.

Brendan Heading, a 39-year-old IT worker, said he was worried the decision to leave the EU would damage the economy and could lead to the break up of the United Kingdom.

"I feel that Brexit threatens prosperity and stability," he said. "People should have the opportunity to vote for an alternative based on what we now know." Brexit supporters held their own rally in the town of Harrogate in the north of England.

Richard Tice, Vice-Chairman of Leave Means Leave and one of the speakers at the event, described the people on the march in London as "losers" and said a second referendum would trigger a constitutional crisis.

"We had a vote, we voted to leave, the idea to have a second referendum would be incredibly damaging," he said.

"People need to be under no illusions as to how people feel about what is a significant potential for a total betrayal of democracy in this

straitstimes.com
Posted by: Newsy
« on: October 17, 2018, 12:17:03 AM »

reuters.com

Still one-in-four chance of Britain leaving EU without deal: economists

There is still a one-in-four chance Britain and the European Union part ways in less than six months without reaching a deal, according to a Reuters poll taken as EU leaders prepare to meet in Brussels later this week.

The stubborn problem of resolving the United Kingdom’s post-Brexit land border with Ireland thwarted an effort over the weekend to clinch a deal before this week’s EU summit as negotiators admitted defeat after marathon talks.

Both sides want to finalize talks by mid-November to give parliaments in London and Brussels time to approve a deal before Britain otherwise crashes out in March, an outcome that would plunge businesses and millions of citizens into a chaotic and costly legal limbo.

British Prime Minister Theresa May faces stiff opposition at home and abroad to her plans and is struggling with deep divisions in her own party. Boris Johnson, her former foreign minister and figurehead of Britain’s Brexit campaign, said talks were “now entering the moment of crisis”.

May said on Monday she continues to believe a deal is achievable and real progress had been made in recent weeks on both the withdrawal agreement and future relationship. She also said progress had been made on Northern Ireland, the UK’s only land border with the EU.

When asked what probability they attached to the likelihood of a disorderly Brexit - where no divorce deal is reached - economists questioned largely before the talks hit an impasse gave a median 25 percent, unchanged from a September poll. The highest forecast was 80 percent.

“A deal is still more likely than not,” said Kallum Pickering at Berenberg. “At any rate, the range of possible outcomes remains wide. But then again, did anyone seriously think this would be a walk in the park?”

The most likely eventual outcome is the two sides reaching a free trade agreement, the poll taken Oct. 9-15 found, as has been predicted since Reuters first began polling on this two years ago.

In second spot was leaving without an agreement and trading under basic World Trade Organization rules. Holding in third place was Britain belonging to the European Economic Area, paying to maintain full access to the EU’s single market.

Keeping its position as least likely was Brexit being canceled. No respondent pegged this as most likely.

HOLDING PATTERN

With little clarity as to how Britain will part ways with the EU, the respondents did not expect the Bank of England to adjust monetary policy until after March’s departure.

They forecast that it would lift the Bank Rate by 25 basis points to 1.0 percent in the second quarter of next year and follow that up with a matching increase in early 2020.

British inflation jumped after the Brexit vote, mostly driven by a slump in sterling, and is not expected back at the BoE’s 2 percent target until late next year. It will average 2.5 percent this year and 2.1 percent next, the poll said.

Growth will remain robust, albeit slower than expected for Britain’s peers. The UK economy is predicted to expand 1.3 percent this year, 1.5 percent in 2019 and 1.6 percent in 2020, the poll of over 80 economists found.

When asked about the chance of a recession in the coming year, economists collectively gave it a relatively low 20 percent. That rose to 25 percent when asked about the coming two years.

“Unless the Brexit negotiations collapse, the likelihood of a full-blown recession remains low,” said Peter Dixon at Commerzbank.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: October 15, 2018, 12:11:29 PM »

"There is a better solution... It is the Super Canada, zero tariff, zero quota, free trade deal at the heart of a deep and special partnership. It is right for both sides, and it is time to go for it."

Wow, he can do the thinking for "both sides"! :evilgrin

What I hear from the European side, most people are glad to let May go with a hard brexit. No more nagging and demanding extra deals by the Brits in Brussels.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 15, 2018, 11:31:52 AM »

Time to stand up to EU bullies on Brexit, says UK ex-foreign minister Johnson

Britain should stop being pushed around by the European Union and press for a "super Canada" free trade deal, former foreign minister Boris Johnson said, increasing pressure on his former boss, Prime Minister Theresa May, over Brexit.

In his weekly column in the Telegraph newspaper to be published on Monday (Oct 15), Mr Johnson, who was the figurehead of the campaign to leave the EU, said the Brexit negotiations were entering a "moment of crisis" and that Mrs May should change tack.

"There comes a point when you have to stand up to bullies. After more than two years of being ruthlessly pushed around by the EU, it is time for the UK to resist," he wrote.

"There is a better solution... It is the Super Canada, zero tariff, zero quota, free trade deal at the heart of a deep and special partnership. It is right for both sides, and it is time to go for it."

(REUTERS)

straitstimes.com
Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 04, 2018, 11:47:16 AM »

Geoffrey Cox becomes the break-out star

Video here: order-order.com
credit tamun tun



Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 04, 2018, 12:21:29 AM »



Britain's May shakes it up with 'Dancing Queen' boogie

Gyrating awkwardly to the sounds of ABBA's disco hit "Dancing Queen", British Prime Minister Theresa May made an unusual stage entrance for a keynote speech on Wednesday.

May, who captured headlines for her robotic dancing during a visit to Kenya in August, was under pressure to put on a good show at her Conservative Party's annual conference.

Her rival Boris Johnson wowed grassroots members with a barnstorming speech on Tuesday and, at last year's conference, May lost her voice and spluttered her way through her address.

But she was applauded by the hall Wednesday as she danced to the 1976 Europop hit, which she has previously told interviewers is one of her favourite songs.

Online reactions were less complimentary of May's moves.

Labour MP Angela Rayner wrote: "I use to love the Dancing Queen by Abba #Cringe" accompanied with a sad emoji.

Twitter user @JoeBlob 123 wrote: "I need the sick bucket".

Another @tasmincrompton wrote: "We are laughing at you, not with you".

Others came up with lyrics for May's version of the iconic song.

"Oooh/ EU can dance/ Pound can dive/ Taking a chance with your lives," wrote James Felton, a comedy writer.

Some also pointed out the irony of a prime minister aiming to deliver Brexit dancing to the sounds of a Swedish group.

But unsurprisingly, Sweden's ambassador to Britain, Torbjorn Sohlstrom, lauded May's moves.

"I can only say Bravo to @theresa_may for starting her conference speech with ABBA's Dancing Queen," he said in a tweet.

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Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: October 03, 2018, 06:11:24 AM »

Here is Boris’s speech. https://order-order.com/2018/10/02/read-full-boris-speech-text/



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Posted by: Newsy
« on: October 03, 2018, 12:19:56 AM »

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UK's May and Johnson battle it out as Brexit deadline looms

British Prime Minister Theresa May and her main rival Boris Johnson battled Tuesday to woo their Conservative party members, as the European Union raised the pressure on London to offer compromises to reach a Brexit deal.

Johnson will make his long-anticipated speech to the party's annual conference in Birmingham, central England, where he is expected to repeat his attacks on May's strategy for leaving the EU.

Aides to the charismatic former foreign minister said he would also cover a wide range of domestic issues, reinforcing speculation that he is making a pitch for May's job.

In broadcast interviews on Tuesday, the prime minister acknowledged Johnson's speech would be a "lively" event, and called for her party to "come together".

But she ensured she dominated the headlines by announcing a new immigration policy -- something that was not expected until Wednesday, and will address many Tory members' concerns.

Free movement of EU workers was a key issue in the 2016 vote for Brexit, and May confirmed that Europeans would be treated the same as non-EU citizens in future.

Her public battle with Johnson comes just weeks before May must return to Brussels in a bid to break the deadlock in Brexit negotiations and reach a deal.

The prime minister hinted at a possible compromise on how to keep the land border with Ireland open after Brexit, a key sticking point in the EU talks, on which London is due to publish new plans shortly.

EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker meanwhile warned that London's threat to walk away from the negotiations without a deal would have consequences.

"We want a deal. Those who think no deal would be the better solution are not aware of the difficulties such a scenario would imply," he told the European Parliament in Strasbourg.

- Alternative plan -

Johnson was a leading campaigner for Brexit in the referendum. Even after being appointed foreign minister he continually challenged May's EU strategy.

He quit in July in protest at her plan for Britain to follow EU rules in goods after Brexit, which she says will protect cross-border trade but he argues would keep London tied to the bloc well into the future.

The EU has also rejected the plan, saying it undermines the bloc's cherished single market.

Numerous eurosceptic Conservative MPs have already drawn big crowds in Birmingham as they offer their own idea for a looser trade arrangement with the EU.

Johnson endorses the same alternative proposal, but the maverick former London mayor has particular star power, and his lunchtime address in a 1,500-capacity hall is expected to be packed.

"He's not a details guy, but he's a guy who has vision. And he's a winner," said Ian Burgess, a delegate in his 60s from Somerset in western England.

Think he's a clown

Johnson is known for his wit and confrontational style, and before the event he posed for a press photograph in a field of long grass.

It clearly mocked May, who once said the naughtiest thing she had done was run through a field of wheat.

But Johnson's recent comments about her Brexit plan, calling it "deranged" and saying it strapped a suicide vest to the British constitution, have angered many fellow MPs.

Several former colleagues used the conference to make jokes at his expense, while finance minister Philip Hammond said his alternative Brexit plan was "fantasy".

Even former Brexit minister David Davis, a fellow eurosceptic who describes Johnson as a "great mate", said many of his ideas "are good headlines but not necessarily good policies".

Among the delegates, there is also unease about Johnson's public disagreements with May.

Amandeep Garcha, a 21-year-old student activist from Derby, backs Johnson's Brexit position, but said: "When you're high up in the ranks, you should deal with these things privately."

Mike Kay, a 34-year-old delegate from Manchester in northwest England, added: "He has a kind of charisma that so few others do. But he is very divisive, that's a problem.

"A large section of the country thinks he is a clown."
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: September 22, 2018, 02:39:33 PM »

Yes, would be good if she were replaced as PM.  She did something to redeem herself yesterday but it was too little and too late.  The trouble with May is that she is so suburban.  The country needs a true Brexit believing PM to carry out its democratic wishes.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: September 22, 2018, 02:10:27 PM »

Looks like PM May still doesn't understand the impact of her "plan to be respected" on the EU member Ireland with the only land border to the UK, and that the 27 EU countries just stick to each other on that point. Is it just the problem of not letting a colony go (back) to their own culture and rules? Probably she won't last very much longer as PM. Might be good for the UK!
Posted by: Newsy
« on: September 22, 2018, 11:52:09 AM »

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Pound sinks as May sticks to Brexit guns

The pound dropped the most since November after British Prime Minister Theresa May warned on Friday that Brexit negotiations were at an impasse.

Sterling fell below US$1.31 as May said the UK and European Union were a long way apart on two big issues and reiterated that no deal was better than a bad deal.

Friday’s newspaper front pages in Britain talked of May’s “humiliation” at the Salzburg summit of EU leaders, 10 days ahead of the annual Conservative Party conference where she will face intense scrutiny.

May on Friday hit back at the EU for flatly rejecting her Brexit plans, accusing the bloc of failing to treat the UK with respect, as the stalemate in negotiations deepened.

The prime minister revived a warning that no deal is better than a bad deal, a day after EU leaders bluntly told her that her blueprint for the divorce won’t work.

In a statement in London, a day after EU leaders used their meeting to tell her that her approach won’t work, May told them it was “not acceptable to simply reject” her plan.

On Wednesday, May was left looking isolated after leaders told her to rework her plans, and set her a deadline of next month to come back with new ideas. British officials had been hoping for warmer words from European leaders at the Austrian event -- to bolster May as she prepares for her party’s conference.

“Throughout this process I have treated the EU with nothing but respect. The UK expects the same. A good relationship at the end of this process depends on it” and “at this late stage in the negotiations it’s not acceptable to simply reject the other side’s proposals without a detailed explanation and counter proposals,” she said at her 10 Downing Street residence on Friday.

The prime minister said in March that she wouldn’t be “buffeted” by calls to walk away from talks, but as the tone of negotiations deteriorated on Thursday, she hinted that she might have changed her mind. She said the UK would continue to prepare for a no deal exit.

The pound dropped as much as 1.4% against the dollar as May spoke, the most on a closing basis since November. It was trading 1.3% lower at 1.3095 at mid-afternoon in London.

Britain is due to leave the EU in March, with or without a deal. If there’s no divorce agreement, there will be no transition -- a two-year grace period designed to prevent the country and its businesses tumbling into a legal limbo.

“May seems willing to call the EU’s bluff here, sticking to her guns,” said Valentin Marinov, head of Group-of-10 foreign-exchange research at Credit Agricole. “Trading the pound off the Brexit headlines has been plagued by fatigue in recent days, and we may see a bit of revival in the downside pound hedges.”
Posted by: thaiga
« on: September 20, 2018, 07:00:02 PM »

Don't rip Britain apart, May appeals to fellow EU leaders on Brexit

Prime Minister Theresa May appealed directly to fellow European leaders on Wednesday to drop "unacceptable" Brexit demands that she said could rip Britain apart, and urged the bloc to respond in kind to her "serious and workable" plan.

Over Wiener schnitzel in Salzburg, Mrs May tried to win over the leaders of the European Union by effectively asking them what they would do if they were asked to agree a "legal separation" of their countries - something she says the EU is asking for by insisting Northern Ireland might stay under EU economic rules.

It may be a high-risk strategy. EU officials again said Britain had to move its own position over what has become known as the Irish backstop - how to avoid erecting border posts between the British province and EU member Ireland - as well as on future economic cooperation after Brexit day in March.

A government source suggested Britain would come up with other proposals to try to reach agreement on Northern Ireland "in due course", but Mrs May has so far been reluctant to move from her Chequers plan, hashed out at her country home in July.

With just over six months to Brexit day, both sides agree on one point - that time is running out to secure a deal that will mark Britain's biggest policy shift in almost half a century.

"I believe that I have put forward serious and workable proposals. We will of course not agree on every detail, but I hope that you will respond in kind," she told the other leaders at the Felsenreitschule theatre -- known to film fans for a scene in the musical 'The Sound of Music'.

"The onus is now on all of us to get this deal done," she said, according to the senior British government source.

BORDER PLAN "NOT CREDIBLE"

The talks, which have gone on for over a year, are bogged down in how to ensure that what will become Britain's only land border with the EU, between Northern Ireland and Ireland, will not become home again to the checks and tensions of the past.

Mrs May has rejected an EU proposal to keep the province in a customs union with the bloc if they fail to reach a deal to keep the entire EU-UK border open, instead offering a time-limited customs arrangement that would cover the whole of Britain.

Over dinner, she said the problem could be solved by securing the type of "frictionless trade" envisaged in her Chequers plan, and that Britain was still committed to agreeing a fall-back scheme with the EU.

"However, the Commission's proposal for this protocol - that I should assent to a legal separation of the United Kingdom into two customs territories - is not credible," she said.

Mrs May has shown little sign of moving away from her Brexit plan, shrugging off criticism not only from Brussels but also at home over her proposals for future trade relations and Northern Ireland.

She may have little option. Facing the annual Conservative Party conference later this month, she is keen to show hardline Brexiters who have called on her to "chuck Chequers" that her plan is the only one that can be negotiated with the EU.

And, possibly for that audience, she told the EU leaders that although time was short, "delaying or extending these negotiations is not an option" and rule out the option of a second referendum on Britain's EU membership.

EU officials are minded not to paint Mrs May into a corner, aware of the increasing opposition to her plans in her Conservative Party, and that she needs a victory of sorts to persuade a reluctant parliament to back a deal.

But while they were keen to emphasise the positive movement seen in the Chequers plan, some said no deal could be reached until there was movement from Britain on Northern Ireland.

REUTERS

full article: businesstimes.com
Posted by: Newsy
« on: September 18, 2018, 10:31:44 AM »

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UK: My Brexit plan or no plan

 British Prime Minister Theresa May insisted her Brexit plan was the only alternative to leaving the EU without an agreement -- something the IMF said Monday would inflict "substantial costs" on the UK economy.

Despite strong opposition in her Conservative party and criticism in Brussels, Mrs May has stuck by the so-called Chequers proposal to keep close trade ties with the European Union after Brexit on March 29 next year.

"The alternative to that will be not having a deal," she told the BBC in an interview out Monday

Mrs May will meet EU leaders in Salzburg on Wednesday and Thursday, as she seeks a breakthrough in talks on the Brexit divorce and the future UK-EU trading relationship.

The International Monetary Fund on Monday said Britain's economy would suffer "substantial costs" should it leave the EU without a deal.

Brussels and London have failed to resolve "fundamental" aspects of Brexit and this could leave London defaulting to World Trade Organization (WTO) tariffs, the IMF said in its annual outlook on the UK economy.

"Fundamental questions -- such as the future economic relationship between the two and the closely related question of the status of the land border with Ireland -- remain unanswered," it noted in a statement.

"Resolving these questions is critical to avoid a 'no-deal' Brexit on WTO terms that would entail substantial costs for the UK economy -- and to a lesser extent the EU economies -- particularly if it were to occur in a disorderly fashion," the IMF added.

Problems in parliament

The gloomy assessment contrasts with that of Mrs May, who indicated last week that a no-deal hard Brexit would not be a disaster for Britain.

Mrs May remains confident of striking an acceptable deal with Brussels.

But even if she gets an accord in the coming weeks, it must be signed off in parliament, where she can only muster a slender majority.

The main opposition Labour party's Brexit spokesman said Sunday that it could not back a deal unless it delivered the "exact same benefits" as Britain currently has inside the single market and customs union -- an unlikely prospect.

That would mean only a small number of Mrs May's Conservative MPs need to rebel in order to bring down her blueprint -- and plenty of hardcore Brexiteers are infuriated by it.

Mrs May expressed confidence parliament would approve the deal -- but warned there was no alternative if Britain wanted to avoid a "no deal" scenario.

"Do we really think... that if parliament was to say, 'No, go back and get a better one', do we really think the EU is going to give a better deal at that point?" she said.

Mrs May has proposed that Britain follow EU rules in trade in goods after Brexit, to protect manufacturing supply lines and avoid a "hard border" between Northern Ireland, part of the United Kingdom, and the Republic of Ireland.

Mrs May also insisted no other plan on the table would ensure "frictionless" trade on the island of Ireland.

Kurz: Avoid hard Brexit

But critics say her proposal would tie Britain too closely to the EU and argue that the Irish issue can be resolved through trusted trader schemes and the use of technology.

Former foreign minister Boris Johnson, who quit in July in protest at the Chequers plan, launched a fresh attack on it in his weekly newspaper column on Monday.

"The whole thing is a constitutional abomination," Mr Johnson, who has previously compared the plan to a "suicide vest", wrote in The Daily Telegraph.

Austria holds the EU's rotating presidency and Chancellor Sebastian Kurz said the EU should strain to strike a deal with London at the Salzburg summit.

"We have to do everything possible to avoid a hard Brexit and to make possible that there will be a strong cooperation between the UK and the European Union," Mr Kurz said Monday ahead of talks with French President Emmanuel Macron.

Mr Macron added that it was "essential that we find a deal, that the rules of cohesion and protection of Europe, of its single market, are fully preserved while the United Kingdom respects the vote by its people".
Posted by: thaiga
« on: August 21, 2018, 05:37:13 PM »

The cofounder of fashion brand Superdry is donating £1 million to fund a second Brexit referendum

The British millionaire founder of clothing brand Superdry is donating £1 million to a group trying to secure a second referendum on the UK's final Brexit deal.

Julian Dunkerton is donating the sum to campaign group the People's Vote, according to the Observer. The People's Vote is a campaign group set up in April 2018 calling for a vote on the final terms of Britain's exit from the EU. The group was set up by campaigners and MPs from across the political spectrum. It is led by Labour MP Chuka Umunna.

Dunkerton told the Observer: "I’m putting some of my money behind the People’s Vote campaign because we have a genuine chance to turn this around.

"It’s becoming clear there is no vision for Brexit and the politicians have made a mess of it. Increasingly, the public knows that Brexit is going to be a disaster. Maybe they just need to be given that little bit of hope that comes when they see how opinion is moving."

The deadline for Britain leaving the EU is March 2019 and it is looking increasingly likely that Britain will crash out of the bloc without any agreement on future trading relations. Britain's International Trade Secretary Liam Fox warned in recent weeks that the likelihood of a "no deal" scenario has risen to 60% and it emerged this week that the government is drawing up emergency plans for what to do if this is the case.

The People's Vote wants Brits to be given a vote on the final terms of Britain's exit from the EU, with the option to remain in the bloc if the public decides that the plan for leaving isn't good enough.

Dunkerton's donation will fund "one of the most detailed polling exercises ever undertaken by a campaign," he told the Observer. The polling will look at whether there is an appetite for a second vote across the UK. YouGov polling earlier this month found 45% of people support a People's Vote on the final deal, while 34% do not.

Dunkerton cofounded Superdry in Cheltenham, England, in 2003 and floated the business on the London stock exchange in 2010. Superdry has a market value of over £900 million and had sales of £752 million in 2017. Dunkerton left the business earlier this year but is still the largest single shareholder, with a stake of just over 18%. The Telegraph estimated his net worth earlier this year at £350 million.

Dunkerton told the Observer: "If Brexit had happened 20 years earlier, Superdry would never have become the global success that it did. We would have struggled to cope with negotiating customs and tariffs."

markets.businessinsider.com
Posted by: thaiga
« on: August 21, 2018, 12:58:48 PM »

Brexit vote could 'in theory' be reversed: EU minister Moscovici

Britain's vote to leave the European Union could "in theory" be reversed although there is a still a strong probability it will go ahead, said the European Commissioner for Economic and Financial Affairs Pierre Moscovici on Monday.

Moscovici was replying on French radio to a question related to a move by the co-founder of fashion brand Superdry to donate a million pounds ($1.28 million) to the campaign for a referendum on the final Brexit agreement.

Asked whether the Brexit vote could be reversed, Moscovici told France Inter radio: "It is, in theory...it is up to the British themselves who have made the decision to leave, to decide ultimately if they will or not, and how they will do it."

"The probability of Brexit is nevertheless very strong because there has been a vote of the people, a referendum..." added Moscovici.

Asked if there would definitely be a deal between Britain and the European Union regarding the terms of Brexit, Moscovici also replied: "Not necessarily." REUTERS

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Posted by: thaiga
« on: August 14, 2018, 08:53:41 PM »

Risk of no-deal Brexit rising, 'everyone needs to prepare': British foreign minister

The risk of a no-deal Brexit has been increasing and the European Union commission needs to change its attitude if a deal is to be reached, British foreign minister Jeremy Hunt said on Tuesday.

"Everyone needs to prepare for the possibility of a chaotic no-deal Brexit," Hunt told reporters in Helsinki.

With less than eight months until Britain quits the EU, the government has yet to agree a divorce deal with Brussels and has stepped up planning for the possibility of leaving the bloc without any formal agreement.

"I think the risk of a no Brexit deal has been increasing recently ... there is absolutely no guarantee that we will get a deal," Hunt said after a meeting with his Finnish counterpart Timo Soini.

"But it's not what anyone wants and I hope very much that we'll find a way to avoid that ... the British government has been doing everything it can to avoid that outcome," he said.

"We do need to see a change in approach by the European Commission."

Both London and Brussels say they want to get a divorce deal at the Oct. 18 EU Council, but diplomats think that target date is too optimistic. EU Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier rejected key elements of British Prime Minister Theresa May's new trade proposals last month.

Economists say a failure to agree the terms of the divorce would cause serious harm to the world's No.5 economy as trade with the EU, Britain's largest market, would become subject to tariffs.

Supporters of Brexit say there may be some short-term pain for the economy but that long-term it will prosper when cut free from the EU. Meanwhile, some lawmakers are pushing for a rerun of the 2016 referendum. REUTERS

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Posted by: thaiga
« on: August 08, 2018, 02:28:55 PM »

Harsh words spoken as the pound struggles to stay at the 40 mark :-[

In England's forgotten 'rust belt', voters show little sign of Brexit regret



Green, who runs a Miners’ Welfare Club in an area where there are no longer any working miners, says both of Britain’s main political parties have shown no interest in the Yorkshire town of Knottingley for generations.

“It’s desperate really - I feel that Knottingley is a forgotten community, and all the surrounding areas are forgotten communities as well, through lack of investment and red tape,” he said, standing in a youth boxing gym at the club.

The 55-year-old former railwayman is not alone. Such anger drove many Britons to vote to leave the European Union in 2016, though tumult in the Brexit process has prompted some supporters of EU membership to call for a rerun of the referendum.

full article reuters.com
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: August 03, 2018, 02:41:21 PM »

How Brexit could end flights in and out of the UK

How Brexit could end flights in and out the UK

Nigel Farage and Boris Johnson would probably say: What do we need airtravel for? The British Empire has been great at sea. We can just invest in our fleet again!" 8)
Posted by: thaiga
« on: August 03, 2018, 12:48:02 PM »

How Brexit could end flights in and out of the UK

How Brexit could end flights in and out the UK
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 28, 2018, 04:54:22 PM »

A year away from Brexit, Britons' views remain as entrenched as ever



GREAT YARMOUTH, England - Leaning over the counter of his seafood stall in the English seaside town of Great Yarmouth, Darran Nichols-George says those still moaning about the British vote to leave the European Union need to stop complaining.

"At the end of the day we live in a democracy and therefore they've had the vote," said 51-year-old Nichols-George, peering over cartons of prawns, crabs, mussels and jellied eels.

"We voted out so we're going to go out."

The fishmonger was one of the 17.4 million Britons who voted to quit the EU in a 2016 referendum, giving the Brexit campaign victory over the 16.1 million voters who wanted to stay.

Since then, Brexit has never been far from the headlines, from difficult talks with the EU and leaks of government forecasts that Britain will be worse off, to fish dumped into the River Thames by fishermen angry at European quotas.

A year before Britain leaves the bloc in March 2019, allegations that the main campaign for leaving the EU broke the law have revived memories of the bitter referendum battle.

Despite the issue dominating discussions in parliament and the pages of newspapers, voters' views seem entrenched as ever.

"People now think of themselves as Leavers or Remainers and see developments from that perspective," Sara Hobolt, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics, told Reuters. She estimates that 80 to 90 percent of Britons have not changed their minds since 2016.

Some senior figures, such as former Prime Minister Tony Blair, have demanded a second referendum on the final deal agreed with the EU, so people could have a say in full knowledge of the possible outcome. But polls and research suggest there is no overwhelming support for another vote.

Even if there was another plebiscite, the surveys show Britons are still deeply divided and most would probably vote the same way.

"Tony Blair -- he should keep his snout out," said retired 68-year-old Michael Cutting, who voted Leave and has lived in Great Yarmouth his whole life.

His view is shared by many in the rundown holiday resort, a once bustling fishing port some 140 miles (200 km) northeast of London, where paint peels off windswept ferris wheels and mainly elderly visitors wander past its "Golden Mile" sandy beach and drab amusement arcades.

"NO MESSING AROUND"

Great Yarmouth has the country's lowest percentage of college graduates -- 14.2 percent -- and a high rate of unemployment. In 2016, 71.5 percent of votes cast here were for Leave, putting it in one of the top 10 Brexit-supporting areas in the country.

"I think we should all get out of [the EU] now, straight away, no messing around," said Philip Blake, 60, between chopping cuts of prime British beef for display at his family-run butchers.

"They're taking too long over it now. Just go. Hard Brexit, whatever, I don't mind."

While an EU flag flies in tatters beside Great Yarmouth's seaside promenade, in the affluent university city of Norwich just 21 miles (34 km) away, the sentiment about Europe could hardly be more different but the intransigence is the same.

"I hate it, I really do," said Gaye Sorah, 59, who was close to tears at the thought of Brexit. "One year to go, it’s a disaster. I just wish we could rewind the clock."

Norwich, where tourists wander between the market's stalls, chattering in a variety of tongues while students cycle down medieval cobbled streets, bucked the trend for the region with 56 percent of voters backing staying in the EU.

Pro-EU posters adorn the whole foods stall owned by Gareth Butcher, 69, and his 66-year-old wife Jane Wirgman, who proudly wears a "We are Europe" badge.

"I could see no advantage in leaving, particularly not on a dream of empires past," Butcher said. "I’ve not changed my mind at all and it's a source of some amusement to me that as the ramifications become clear ... that a lot of other people’s minds are being concentrated."

Expressions of such regret are hard to find, but dishing out bags of chunky fries from his van in Great Yarmouth, Robin Platten thinks he was wrong to vote to leave.

"I've been thinking maybe I might have made a mistake," Platten, 60, whose family have run the Brewer Chip Saloon takeaway stall in the town's market since 1902.

"It's a great big tunnel with no light at the end of it, as far as I'm concerned," he told Reuters. "I think maybe everybody should be given a second chance for the mistakes that they've made. But I don't think that's going to happen."

Even some voters who backed remain have no desire to see the process dragging on, however -- despite their continued misgivings.

"I think we may as well get on with it now," said Kathryn Fabian, 20, a student in Norwich. "I feel like we had our say back then, it's been decided. Let's just move on." REUTERS

todayonline.com
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 26, 2018, 12:48:10 PM »

that sure is a brexit meter t/t - it's broke - now lets try the brexit b/s meter - looks like they need a little hand ;)

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 26, 2018, 10:35:49 AM »

Brexit, yawn
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 24, 2018, 09:59:54 PM »

Cambridge Analytica is now said to not only have meddled in the US elections but also in the brexit vote:

"In an exclusive interview, Brittany Kaiser, Cambridge Analytica’s business development director until two weeks ago, said the work with Leave.EU involved analysis of data provided by Ukip." (The Guardian])

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 19, 2018, 12:34:30 PM »

Johnnie, this is a far more controversial topic than Driving in Thailand.  I have no skin in the game as I Brexited many years ago.  However, if I were still in the UK I would definitely be a Brexiteer.  I do not like the idea of a Union of Socialist European States, just look what happened to the USSR.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: November 28, 2016, 01:11:37 PM »

Hard Brexit would damage 'almost every sector' of UK economy

Leaving the single market would be damaging to almost every sector of the British economy from manufacturing and energy to retail and financial services, according to a new report commissioned by an alliance of Tory, Labour and Liberal Democrat politicians trying to stop a hard Brexit.

The study, by the Centre for Economics and Business Research, found every major wealth-creating sector would be affected negatively, with manufacturing hit if there are tariff barriers to EU trade and the creative industries suffering a “body blow” if there were strict controls on immigration.

The report examines the consequences of leaving the single market in favour of a free trade agreement struck on a bespoke basis for individual industries.

Theresa May has hinted she favours this so-called “sectoral” approach but the CEBR report warns that “all major sectors are linked to the EU and could be harmed if the UK government sought a free trade agreement which prioritised some sectors over others”.

 The release of the report comes at a time of growing mobilisation among MPs and political figures trying to stop the UK heading for a clean break with the EU single market and customs union, which is favoured by the most Eurosceptic cabinet ministers and leading Brexit campaigners such as Michael Gove.

For the first time since the referendum, MPs from across the parties – Tory Anna Soubry, Chuka Umunna of Labour and Nick Clegg from the Liberal Democrats – will appear together at an Open Britain event, pushing for continued membership of the single market.

Soubry will accuse those backing of a sector-by-sector deal of pursing a “simplistic fantasy”.

more from the theguardian.com
Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 20, 2016, 01:46:59 PM »

I see the euro is following suit, Bank Note Buying Rates @ 37.69 bangkokbank.com today

Theresa May to tell EU's other leaders 'there will be no second referendum'

Theresa May is to warn her 27 fellow European Union leaders over a working dinner in Brussels that Britain’s decision to leave is irreversible and there can be no second referendum.

Thursday’s meeting of the European council will be the prime minister’s first opportunity to address the leaders of all the other member states since the UK voted to leave the European Union in June.

Donald Tusk, the European council president, has insisted Britain’s future relationship with the EU will not be on the formal agenda for the two-day meeting, but he will give May the opportunity to set out the “current state of affairs in the country” over coffee at the end of the meal.

A No 10 source said she would tell her fellow EU leaders: “The British people have made a decision and it’s right and proper that that decision is honoured. There will be no second referendum. The priority now has got to be looking to the future, and the relationship between the UK, once we leave”.

The source added that the prime minister would also seek to reassure the other member states, amid growing fears that Brexit could unleash political and economic instability in Britain and the rest of Europe.

“She wants the outcome at the end of this process to be a strong UK, as a partner of a strong EU,” the source said. “She doesn’t want the process of the UK leaving to be damaging for the rest of the EU. She wants it to be a smooth, constructive, orderly process.”

With speculation rife about how Britain plans to conduct the negotiations, Tusk wants to avoid a discussion and will not invite other EU leaders to respond. May’s remarks are down as an “any other business point”, underscoring that Britain is far down the priority list for the summit despite public interest in the issue.

British diplomats in Brussels have been pressing for preparatory talks before May launches article 50, the EU exit process, which she has promised by the end of March 2017. So far their entreaties have been rebuffed and EU diplomats insist the consensus on “no negotiations without notification” is intact.

All 27 member states will have to be ...

full article theguardian.com


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