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Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: August 29, 2019, 12:26:14 PM »

Parliament is "on vacation", not representing people anymore. Now what? :uhm
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: August 22, 2019, 12:15:43 PM »

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French President Emmanuel Macron called for clarification on his Brexit plans just ahead of a meeting with British Prime Minister Boris Johnson. A renegotiation of the EU withdrawal based on the British proposals was "not an option," said Macron, according to news agency AFP on Wednesday evening at a press conference in Paris.
(Frankfurter Allgemeine)

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In particular, Johnson's desire to override the arrangements for organizing border controls between Ireland and Northern Ireland was impracticable, Macron said. Should Britain leave the EU unregulated, it is due to the government in London and not to the European Union.

In addition, Macron warned Johnson before the idea that a trade agreement with America could protect Britain from economic collapse: "Can the cost of a hard Brexit be compensated by the US? No!" said Macron.
(Zeit)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: August 22, 2019, 10:14:36 AM »

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There could be a deal, but only without the controversial fallback option, he said in Berlin. To add loud and with a strong English accent in German: "We can do it!"

The Chancellor reacted to her notorious comment from the time of the German refugee crisis with a tortured smile. Awkward, as the Briton would say in such a situation.
(Welt)

So much to Boris' visit in Berlin; there isn't anything to say!
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: June 10, 2019, 09:10:37 AM »

Everybody's curious, who they'll choose to wreck the UK even further.

If he gets elected, it will be Boris, who'll further wreck the UK. Now he's tring to buy the well-earner's votes by promising to  drastically reduce their taxes to "stimulate the economy":

Quote
Boris Johnson is planning to slash income tax for more than three million people by increasing the threshold for the 40p rate to £80,000 if he becomes Prime Minister.

Mr Johnson has drawn up radical plans to increase the point at which people start paying the higher rate of income tax from £50,000 to £80,000, pulling hundreds of thousands of people out of the 40p band entirely.

The move, which will cost an estimated £9.6 billion a year, will save people thousands of pounds on their tax bill. It will be funded from the £26.6 billion of "fiscal headroom" that is currently set aside by the Treasury for no-deal preparations.
The Telegraph

And how is he going to pay the bills? :-[

Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: June 09, 2019, 02:09:02 PM »

Everybody's curious, who they'll choose to wreck the UK even further. Will it be somebody who counts on BigD as "the saviour"? Will the UK now become a colony of that former colony of Britain in America, called the USA? Everybody knows how the colonies were exploited in history. Does anybody think the UK's fate to be any lighter?

Ever heard that one: "Jump out of the frying pan into the fire"?

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: June 09, 2019, 11:47:29 AM »

The EU will soon have to wake up to the fact that it is no longer negotiating with the suburban housewife.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: June 09, 2019, 09:27:57 AM »

And Boris Johnson threatens to hold back EU ‘divorce’ bill to force a deal.

Is he so naive to think he could win something by breaking a contract? British farmers for example did get the subsidies from the EU; is there a reason now for the British government for not fulfilling the contract with the EU and not paying their part? Blackmailing is no "reason", it's criminal!

Makes me remember the case of Walter Bau AG whose liquidator in 2011 successfully impounded the then Thai Crown Prince's airplane he came to Germany by to get the 39 million Euros owed by the Kingdom of Thailand for that motorway project in Bangkok. Imagine the impounding of British property in Europe or anywhere else... ;)
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: June 09, 2019, 08:47:56 AM »

So, crowdfraudster Marcus Ball got his case thrown out.  I just hope he has enough money to pay BoJos legal costs.

https://order-order.com/2019/06/07/private-prosecution-boris-thrown-high-court/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: June 02, 2019, 11:43:59 AM »

Funny to read! Who might fall for that? Sounds to me like Donny is getting desperate for his approval rating at home. But Nigel, Donny and Boris would really make a great team in a secured place!

Looking at the latest figures after the EU elections, the right wing populists are not gaining anymore now, while environmentalists are on the way up: finally young people seem to start caring for politics!

And look at the value of the pound: people seem to be running from Donny's takeover-attempt:
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: June 02, 2019, 08:16:33 AM »

Excellent article in the Sunday Times today, exclusive interview with Donald Trump:-
Donald Trump today calls on Britain to send Nigel Farage to negotiate with Brussels and pursue a no-deal Brexit if the EU refuses to give Britain what it wants.
In an interview with The Sunday Times ahead of his state visit to the UK this week, the American president said the next prime minister should refuse to pay the £39bn Brexit divorce bill and “walk away” if Brussels does not bow to Britain’s demands.
Trump said that it was not too late for Britain to follow his advice and “sue” the EU to give Britain greater “ammunition” in the talks.
And he vowed to “go all out” to secure a free trade deal between Britain and America within months of Brexit taking place to make up for lost trade with the EU.
The president is due to meet the Queen tomorrow, enjoy a state banquet, hold talks with Theresa May and attend D-Day commemorations in Portsmouth before leaving on Wednesday evening for further ceremonies in France.
But in a dramatic break with diplomatic convention he launched a controversial foray into British politics, calling on the government to stop delaying Brexit and signalling that the “excellent” Boris Johnson should be prime minister.
In the interview, Trump also:
● Said he would have “to know” Jeremy Corbyn before authorising US intelligence to share its most sensitive secrets with a hard-left Labour government
● Told the Labour leader that he should “get along with the United States” if he wants Britain to continue to benefit from US military and intelligence support
● And warned ministers they must “be careful” not to jeopardise intelligence sharing by letting Chinese firm Huawei into Britain’s 5G mobile phone network.
Trump made clear that he believes Britain must leave the EU this year. “They gotta get it done,” he said from the White House Oval Office. “They have got to get the deal closed.”
With Tory leadership candidates divided over whether to pursue a no-deal Brexit, Trump backed Johnson, Dominic Raab, Sajid Javid and Esther McVey, who have all said the UK must leave, with or without a deal, on October 31. “If they don’t get what they want I would walk away,” Trump said. “If you don’t get the deal you want, if you don’t get a fair deal, then you walk away.”
In a move that will unnerve even those Conservative contenders who want a hard Brexit, Trump said it was “a mistake” for the Tories not to involve Farage, the Brexit Party leader, in the negotiations and that his success in the recent European elections meant he had earned his place.
“I like Nigel a lot. He has a lot to offer,” Trump said. “He is a very smart person. They won’t bring him in. Think how well they would do if they did. They just haven’t figured that out yet.”
The president said Britain should also withhold the £39bn payment, around $50bn, to gain leverage. “If I were them I wouldn’t pay $50bn,” he said. “That is me. I would not pay, that is a tremendous number.”
Just days before his final meeting with May, Trump was withering about the prime minister’s handling of the negotiations saying she left the EU with “very little to lose” and “no downside”.
Trump confirmed that he told May to sue the EU to give Britain greater leverage. “What I would do is, for those mistakes made by the EU that cost the UK a lot of money and a lot of harm, I would have put that on the table, whether it is in the form of litigation or in the form of a request. But they chose not to do that. It’s very hard for the UK to get a good deal when they go into the negotiation that way.”
Trump pledged that doing a trade deal with America would more than compensate the UK for any lost trade with the EU and vowed to move things forward during his trip this week.
He said one could be concluded “much quicker” than a year. “I would go all out,” he said. “It would be a great, a great advantage to the UK. A tremendous advantage.
“We have the potential to be an incredible trade partner with the UK. We have tremendous potential to make up more than the difference. We will be talking to them about that. One of the advantages of Brexit is the fact that now you can deal with the No 1 economy in the world by far.”
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: June 01, 2019, 12:20:30 PM »

I never thought that I would ever find myself in agreement with anything said by John Bolton.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: June 01, 2019, 10:00:00 AM »

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The Trump administration wants the UK to follow the 2016 referendum result and leave the European Union, National Security Advisor John Bolton said.

Speaking to the UK's Daily Telegraph, Mr Bolton said Brexit was an opportunity for the UK to become a "strong and independent country". (BBC)

Naw, it couldn't be that he actually meant he wants a weaker Europe for the US's good.  ;)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: May 31, 2019, 12:17:58 PM »

I think, an island could be found, where all three could live together happily, just doesn't have to be the British Island.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: May 31, 2019, 10:53:47 AM »


Trump supports Nige and Boris.  This could be a dream ticket with Boris as PM and Nige as Brexit Minister:-

https://order-order.com/2019/05/30/trump-nigel-boris-friends-mine/
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: May 30, 2019, 10:17:08 AM »

Guido has a more robust view on the “Norwich man” than the Eastern Daily Press:-

https://order-order.com/2019/05/29/embarrassing-anti-boris-pitch-raise-2-million-gullible-remainers/

Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: May 30, 2019, 09:52:55 AM »

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: May 16, 2019, 07:36:40 AM »

I now realize that I have been too hasty in criticizing the House of Commons in making no progress on Brexit after 3 years.  I have just finished reading a book by Simon Heffer:- The Age of Decadence, Britain 1880 to 1914.  Chapter 6 of this book is devoted to the story of Charles Bradlaugh who was elected as MP for Northampton in 1880.  New MPs, when first entering the House of Commons, are required to swear an oath of allegiance.  The last four words of the oath are “so help me God”.  Bradlaugh was an atheist and so he explained that he was prepared to swear the oath without the last four words.  This then precipitated three years of endless debates in the House as to whether Bradlaugh should be admitted to the House.  There were also three by-elections in Northampton in this time and Bradlaugh was re-elected each time, only to be refused admission to the House. Finally he was admitted as everyone had become bored with the problem. 

So if the House took 3 years deliberating over four words, then it is only reasonable to allow them much longer to deliberate over the Withdrawal Agreement which runs to over 600 pages.  The deliberations should be complete by the end of the next century.
So help me God.



Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: May 15, 2019, 10:54:39 AM »

What's in a name? That which we call May's Brexit-Deal
By "Withdrawal Agreement Bill" would "smell" as much.

Who in the House of Commons will not notice and vote differently next month at vote #4?
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: April 14, 2019, 12:01:45 PM »

The situation, never seen anywhere before of its kind  There is an interesting article by Polly Mackenzie on unherd.com (which seems to be an interesting site) which says we have been there before in 1788:-

Parliament is panicking. A full-blown constitutional crisis is underway. The opposition see the chaos as their chance to seize control. The government is using any tactic it can to stall for time – even a brief parliamentary recess feels like a reprieve. And all because the country’s leader has gone mad, and no-one knows what to do about it.
It is December 1788. George III is experiencing a protracted period of serious mental illness, and his physicians are unable to say if he will ever recover. He has retreated to Kew, in the care of his wife Queen Charlotte; the opposition, under Charles Fox, is working to install their ally, the king’s son Prince George, in his place as regent. After endless parliamentary negotiations, a bill is finally passed in the House of Commons, but the King recovers before the House of Lords is able to finalise the legislation.
This period, known as the Regency Crisis and chronicled by the film The Madness of King George, disrupted and disturbed the constitutional norms of the United Kingdom.
What the rhetoricians and cartoonists of the age were most struck by, was the sudden reversal in the two parties’ positions. Fox’s Whigs were traditionally in favour of shifting the balance of power away from the monarch, and towards parliament – but they found themselves arguing for the Prince’s prerogative right to assume his father’s throne during his incapacity. Pitt, the Prime Minister, was by contrast a Tory, and was as such expected to back royal rule. Instead, he acted to put parliament in charge.
George III’s mental illness was serious, and real. His symptoms are variously described as including ranting, foaming at the mouth, psychosis, delusions and rage. Some historians still believe it was caused by a genetic metabolic disorder called porphyria, which famously turns the sufferer’s urine blue.
The mainstream view, however, is now that Mad King George suffered from a mental, rather than physical, illness. Whatever the truth, the symptoms recurred throughout his lifetime, and by 1811 settled so profoundly upon his mind that he never recovered. At this point, the Regency Bill was finally approved: his son took to the throne.
So, if you think our current constitutional crisis is dragging on, remember that we lasted 23 years with a King upon whose sanity no one could rely. The British ability to postpone, delay and muddle through is perhaps our most dependable national trait.
Theresa May is not mad, in any clinical sense; she certainly doesn’t suffer from porphyria. But she has been accused of madness by at least one of her MPs, and far more have railed to the press with the question: “How the hell do we get rid of her?” – a question that seems to be echoing through history from the lips of countless 18th and 19th century politicians and constitutional experts.
The Conservative Party’s constitution has – at least until December 2019 – given us a Prime Minister who cannot be removed from office by her party, no matter what she does. And, as in the Regency Crisis, an endless barrage of projects have been launched to try to navigate around this constitutional outrage.
Any number of efforts are being made to prevent a Prime Minister so many believe incompetent from continuing to govern. Examples include a party members’ petition to change the party’s constitution and enable a new vote of no confidence; a plot to steal the mace from parliament to prevent it from sitting; and a plan for the 1922 committee of backbench Conservative MPs to hold an indicative vote that reveals how much they hate her.
Most of these conspiring MPs claim that they’re acting according to principle when they pursue their plans. But as in the winter of 1788, individual and party interest is the driving force behind most of these apparent principles. Fox was suddenly in favour of hereditary monarchy and royal power because Prince George was an ally and friend. Pitt became a sudden convert to the cause of Parliamentary sovereignty because he knew that the Prince would sack him the moment he took the throne. The Prince’s obvious partiality was a decisive factor in enabling Pitt to secure a delay.
But it was the Prince’s character which made his father – in periods of lucidity – an intransigent opponent to his appointment as Regent. Perhaps Blackadder wasn’t entirely fair to the Prince of Wales, in its portrayal of him as a brainless dandy, but history offers us little evidence of the Prince’s good character. He seems to have taken every opportunity to annoy his father. He drank and ate to excess; he gambled and expected parliament to settle his debts; he conducted endless affairs, married illegally and against his father’s will and then, when forced by parliament to marry a Protestant, he effectively became a bigamist.
Parliament knew all this about him when they finally appointed him Regent in 1811. They put some controls on his Regency: he couldn’t confer peerages for the first year, for example. But they appointed him, nonetheless.
In the context of a hereditary monarchy, you could argue that they had little choice. But parliament had taken an aggressive approach to choosing monarchs they liked ever since the Restoration: the Glorious Revolution replaced James II with his daughter Mary; when Mary’s sister Anne died without a living heir, it was her second cousin George I who inherited the throne, despite there being 50 living relatives ahead of him in the line of succession. Parliament effectively gifted the throne to the Hanoverian princes simply because they wanted a Protestant. Given this precedent, they didn’t need to choose Prince George to replace his father.
It seems that when your leader is mad, your standards drop. The Regency is a cautionary tale for those dreaming of replacing Theresa May. Don’t measure the replacements against the woman in Number 10. Measure them against history. Yes, she needs to go. But let’s not land ourselves with someone as inadequate as George IV.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 13, 2019, 06:53:58 PM »

The situation, never seen anywhere before of its kind, is, that Brits have to prepare for an election to the EU Parliament, not knowing, whether they will have those elections at all or leave the EU before it with that deal their PM May made with the EU, when their House of Commons actually does agree to that before the scheduled elections. Could that political mess be even bigger? Catch?
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 11, 2019, 02:51:53 PM »

Quote from: Roger on K-F
...one wonders if we should revoke Article 50 and then, try again later, maybe when HoC is better organised, we have a new Prime Minister AND the EU might well be in a weaker position.

After the UK has just proven to the EU27, how strong unity (of the EU27) can be, that is a very unlikely situation in the near future to come up. The UK made the EU27 realise the strength of standing together. The UK's politicians overplayed their cards. Another attempt would make them only the laughing stock of World politics again. I think most Brit politicians, at least of this generation, should have realised that by now.:)

Best would be trying to reform the EU from within. But having shown the World, how their institutions, mainly the Parliament, work, they might have problems being taken seriously. It comes down to the UK first needing to reform their own political system, "updating" it to today's challenges...
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 11, 2019, 11:44:23 AM »

On this threat with a Trojan Horse, if they had to participate in the EU elections, there is a good comment by Peter Sturm in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

I'll translate it for our readers:

If they had to take part in the European elections again, they wanted to make life as difficult as possible for the Europeans, the British Brexit-Ultras announce - what a threat!

It must sound historically meaningful when the British Brexit Ultras give their anger to "Europe" free rein. After the great power fantasies of the recent past, the Trojan Horse is now being sought, which according to legend once brought the Greeks the victory over the city of Troy.

After all, if they had to take part in the European elections again, they wanted to make life as difficult as possible for the Europeans, and operate like a Trojan horse in a hostile environment. What a threat! But then somehow disappointing.

The nostalgics fixated on their little England have obviously spent all their energy on maintaining their cricket pitches and have lost sight of the reality of the EU.

Would their monster in the herd of the Straches, Salvinis, and as the other unpredictable steeds are all called, even attract attention? You have to be English to believe that.

But that's the basic tone of the exit campaign on the island. Delusion replaces reality.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 11, 2019, 11:03:33 AM »

The handcuffs agreed to:

"The French president also insisted on the redrafting of the EU’s summit communique, writing in that the UK – during any extra time as a member state – would have to “refrain from any measure which could jeopardise the attainment of the union’s objectives, in particular when participating in the decision-making processes of the union”, according to a leak obtained by the Guardian.

The EU27 also emphasised their right to meet without the UK on key long-term decisions."

The Guardian
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 11, 2019, 07:27:41 AM »

Oktober 31 is the next date for Brexit, unless in Britain there is unity about a deal. In that (still not very likely) case they can even leave earlier. But there is also more time for revoking Article 50. Time to think and a couple of times re-think the whole Brexit over! Maybe the elections to the EU parliament next month in Britain will give an answer, what the people in the UK really want, now having learned about the whole impact.

The EU has shown unity again. And best condition of this by the EU27 granted and by British PM May accepted extension is, that the remaining 27 EU countries can hold meetings on their own affairs without the Brits disturbing, though they're also members still. That's what became of the Brexit ultras' threat to cause as much trouble as possible, if the Uk had to participate in the EU elections. ;)

Now who'll bet on the UK not asking for yet another extension again? ;)

Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 05, 2019, 04:37:08 PM »

Not worth reading, Roger! Please refrain from copying and pasting full articles from that forum. If anybody wanted to read that, he/she could look it up there. ;)

New - and relevant in this thread - is, that May asked for Brexit extension to 30 June, the same date requested by the government last month, but rejected by EU leaders in Brussels. That would mean the UK had to participate in the EU election. I am against an extension that short. It will only cause more pressure and confusion. Get it over with! Picking up the pieces in the EU will be easier than endlessly dealing with UK politicians not knowing what they want, just being against everything. Let them ruin their country!
Posted by: Roger
« on: April 05, 2019, 01:34:20 PM »

Now that April Fools day has passed - I suspect there won't be much agreement on this which I've pasted over from K-F for JF to enjoy  ;)

''Jacob Rees-Mogg was attacked on 'Today' for 'tweeting' this very same YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63IcW4eo4uM

J R-M was not amused. I too think it quite possible to agree with Dr Weidel's views on Brexit without necessarily endorsing her views on Immigration and Muslims. For myself, she articulated on Brexit exactly what I have felt myself over the last two years whilst observing the process. Before writing Dr Weidel off as a 'Populist', a common trick used to downplay any view that fails to meet the conventional 'wisdoms' these days, I'd suggest 'Popular' as being more accurate - the amount of support for her comments in the Bundestag was quite evident.

''The EU should have given David Cameron the concessions he asked for . . . this Brexit will be costly for the EU, which means that by definition, costly for German Taxpayers. Costly like the Bank bailouts, the Greece bailout, the green energy policy, the opening of the border, the destruction of the automobile and other key industries, and the massive inflation of our single currency . . . .

The UK is the second biggest economy in the EU, as big as the 19 smallest combined.

Onto Brexit for which you are partly responsible, due to your negligence and your failure to help out the UK. Our historically good relationship with the UK is being threatened as a result. What did David Cameron ask that was so terrible? No more social welfare payments immediately and for everyone. Stronger National Parliaments. Less EU bureaucracy. But in Brussels he was banging his head against a brick wall . . . .

(Is the UK) . . a Partner with whom we have lived together for 40 years in good times and bad, really going to be treated like Paraguay or Papua New Guinea ?  . . What a mockery. Is it any wonder that the UK sees bad faith behind every manouevre from Brussels ?

Brexit negotiator Barnier, is supposed to have confided in Friends, I quote, ''my mission will have been a success when the terms are so brutal for the British, that they prefer to stay in the Union''. With Friends like these . . .

The EU must be reformed from within. This includes a veto right for Nation States against rules from Brussels, reforming Article 50, granting access to the single market for exiting Countries, and securing the EU's external borders . . . .
''

These are just extracts - DR Weidel bemoans the effect on Germany's EU influence as the UK leaves and the effect on the German economy. She's very 'down' on France !

This is worth watching (listening to as it has sub-titles) whatever your views on Brexit.''

JF ATB


Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: April 04, 2019, 08:02:44 PM »

Gina Miller, she is the one who caused all these problems. She should have her citizenship revoked and be deported back to Guayana. We need a Windrush boat in reverse. Bum’s Rush sounds just fine.

From Wiki:-

In June 2016, in the aftermath of the United Kingdom European Union membership referendum, Miller privately engaged the City of London law firm Mishcon de Reya to challenge the authority of the British Government to invoke Article 50 of the Treaty on European Union using prerogative powers, arguing that only Parliament can take away rights that Parliament has granted.[20]

On 3 November 2016, the High Court of Justice ruled that Parliament had to legislate before the Government could invoke Article 50.[28][29] Miller said outside the High Court: "The judgment, I hope – when it's read by the Government and they contemplate the full judgment – that they will make the wise decision of not appealing but pressing forward and having a proper debate in our sovereign Parliament, our mother of parliaments that we are so admired for all over the world".[30]
Posted by: Roger
« on: April 04, 2019, 05:13:52 AM »

JF. No of course not . . .
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 03, 2019, 10:12:54 PM »

If the 'Army' in the UK did that...

Does that mean, British soldiers will get away with doing that while on duty in Afghanistan? :evilgrin

Posted by: Roger
« on: April 03, 2019, 09:01:30 PM »

Johnnie. If the 'Army' in the UK did that, heads will legally roll with due process of Law, I assure you.
Fake news ? Or maybe not.

Otherwise, I wasn't sure if you were talking about Germany, France, Italy ?
It must be France - they do revolution best.
20 weeks of street rioting, looting etc. and Macron's imagination extends to lecturing the UK  ;)

And does Belgium have a Govt yet ? Serious question . . .

Me myself and millions of other Brits, won't stop 'blaming the EU'.
Sometimes people just know . . . no instruction needed at all    :spin
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 03, 2019, 06:31:56 PM »

I don't wonder anymore: soldiers practicing target by shooting at images of their politicians... :spin

Army investigating 'Jeremy Corbyn target practice' film

Stop blaming the EU, there is a lot to do at home, uniting people again. The biggest damage the whole Brexit affair has done already is that it split the country. What'll be next? Shooting in the streets?
Posted by: KiwiCanadian
« on: April 03, 2019, 10:05:19 AM »

As one from the colonies and what the EU forced Britain to do to us, I must say that I agree with Nigel Farage.
The referendum was democratically done and accepted by all, well almost all.
This total waste of time money and the "EU Mandarins" that have clearly had no interest in letting Britain escape form the EU. The only answer is a NO DEAL, use the world trade agreements and get on with life.

As has been said May has been on the remain side all along but was thrust in to the leaders roll and has betrayed the UK population (Bigger forces behind this, even Camron saw this and he would have be led to do the will of the "Masters")
I clearly believe that by trying to force Britain to remain the EU Oligarchy thought every other state would fall in and BACK the EU,  LOL.
This has back fired and every one rightfully so want their national identity back again.

If I could, I would vote for Nigel Farage for British PM, I am sure he would say to the EU Oligarchy Up Yours! (I think he has already said the to Juncker & his comrades as an EU MP)

As to ponder the future, 20 years from now we will either be separate nation states or the Oligarchy will have their New World Order, to the cost of millions of lives.

Just my $2.00 worth from the colonies.

KC
Posted by: Roger
« on: April 03, 2019, 08:27:01 AM »

I'm exhausted with Brexit - but have to get this off my chest.

The EU "Mandarins' and other leading European figures bemoan of 'losing patience' as the UK Parliament's suffers contortions in trying to pass agreement of the 'negotiated' ''Withdrawal Agreement'' or anything else.

The UK Parliament's problems are a measure of the brutal and unforgiving 'stitching up' of Mrs May in these farcical negotiations - the EU never intended to give the UK any 'deal' which would be acceptable to the UK Parliament and this is just what they wanted. Now the EU is looking down on the Brits predicament and 'foolishness' in wanting to leave. Masterly. Mrs May shame on you - how did you fall for it ?

The 'orrible Verhofstadt was being very lofty as usual today - let's not forget he was PM of Belgium for 9 years and even now, Belgium has great difficulty in forming a Govt at all, there's been 20 weeks of serious rioting in France whilst Italy and others fulminate on various EU matters and Eurozone problems mount.

It's now confirmed that no matter how long the delay to Brexit, the Withdrawal Agreement will not be reopened. And that a delay to Brexit has risks for the EU  ;)  Yep 39 billion of 'em  ;)

GET ME OUTA HERE !!!  8)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 01, 2019, 06:30:11 PM »

BTW I'd be happy to see Germany and the EU doing well - and a brexited UK too   ;D

Finally we can agree on something! :)
Posted by: Roger
« on: April 01, 2019, 05:59:07 PM »

JF reply 200 - ''you consume those unreliable "press" and even take it for granted''   :uhm

Correction - figures from the Federal Statistics Office . . .

''Germany's economy grew by 1.5% last year, its slowest rate since 2013, the latest official figures show. Figures from the Federal Statistics Office showed Europe's largest economy slowed sharply as the year wore on.''

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-46875113

Nuff said  :-X 

BTW I'd be happy to see Germany and the EU doing well - and a brexited UK too   ;D
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: April 01, 2019, 04:42:33 PM »

Come on Roger, stop reading the Torygraph.  I am now thoroughly tired of the Guardian and have just taken out a subscription to the Times.  I think that the Dirty Digger needs help with his pension fund.


Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: April 01, 2019, 04:13:05 PM »

Just for fun  ;)

Of course it's funny, Roger, but sad at the same time,  that you consume those unreliable "press" and even take it for granted. Enjoy the dreams they give you!  :evilgrin
Posted by: Roger
« on: April 01, 2019, 04:08:42 PM »

JF reply 194 - ''I have no worries about the German economy''.

DT live today - ''German industrial slump deepens as growth plunges to lowest level since 2012''.

and . .  ''Growth in German factories hits lowest level since July 2012
FTSE 100 nears six-month high after Chinese manufacturers rebound
Roger Bootle: EU will move to full fiscal union, or disband
''.

Just for fun  ;)

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 31, 2019, 01:47:01 PM »

This Banksy post is insulting to chimps. They have much more common sense than that.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 31, 2019, 12:06:52 PM »

The British parliament, as seen by Banksy nine years ago:



Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 30, 2019, 08:17:57 AM »

As for this, ''UK ruining their country and their citizens' future'' - rumours of the demise of the UK are greatly exaggerated . . . 

Are YOU trying to distract from the facts?  ATB

Unlike you I'm not a fortune teller able to foresee tomorrow's facts, Roger, for me it's just perspectives to calculate with.

Thanks for alerting me to that typo! ;D
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 30, 2019, 08:09:22 AM »

Hi JF. re. your ''never get to see the whole'', comment - you too !

And ''I have no worries about the German economy'' - pleased to hear it - let's see.

Btw - 'extent' you mean ? (not extend).

As for this, ''UK ruining their country and their citizens' future'' - rumours of the demise of the UK are greatly exaggerated . . . 

Are YOU trying to distract from the facts?  ATB
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 30, 2019, 07:57:25 AM »

Roger, if somebody selects his information by looking up partisan sources only, he'll never get to see the whole. I have no worries about the German economy. Of course apart from Trump's trade wars it got contaminated by the British problems to some extent, but not to the extent your sources "paint it". I wonder, why so constantly you keep bringing up World economy and  highly questionable allegations about the German economy in this thread about the UK ruining their country and their citizens' future. Are you trying to distract from the fact, that in the UK politicians are just blocking each other without any constructive results? ;)

Who will reconstruct the British economy after this period of self-destruction?

Edit: Typos corrected at Roger's hint!
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 30, 2019, 06:20:07 AM »

Mongering UK doom again JF ?  Check it out - the GBP to THB has actually improved in the last month or two - not so long ago it was down nudging THB 40 on my screen  ;)

If you want some doom - bearing in mind and compounding the much discussed problems in the German economy, try these snippets from the DT today :-

''One potentially explosive event we can be certain of. France will take over Italy as the fourth most indebted country in the world. Statistics published this week show that France’s total public debt is now just a whisker behind its southern neighbour, and its spending plans for this year means it will overtake Italy very soon''.

And TT's favourite AE-P in the DT also . .

''Citigroup has issued an explicit recession warning for the United States, advising clients to wind down exposure to risky assets and prepare to ride out the storm. The bank’s global investment team said the US Federal Reserve over-tightened monetary policy last year, waiting too long to stop raising interest rates or to slow the pace of quantitative tightening (reverse QE). The economy is already shot below the waterline and will mostly likely succumb to the textbook pathologies of a fading expansion''.

So it looks to me that we are ALL in for a bumpy ride this year with an economic downturn. IMHO the EU with it's repopulated Parliament and the 'orrible Verhofstadt at the 'elm', is not likely to fare better than anyone else in the coming mire. Now that is doom  ;)

NO predictions from me for the GBP/THB rate - but it's my guess that the least favourable scenario's are already priced in  . . .

:uhm
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 29, 2019, 10:48:01 PM »

Looks like the UK leaves the EU the hard way on April 12. Guess nobody really expected that, like nobody really expected the referendum go that way. People in the EU probably won't see much difference, except Britain not being as attractive for travelers anymore, though it might be cheaper than ever...

The exchange rate of GBP to THB already fell to 41.33575, most likely falling even lower over the weekend.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 26, 2019, 12:09:43 PM »

Thanks to Pompui of K-F for this piece.  It so enraged me that I emailed some mild abuse to Mark Field.  His email address is mark.field.mp@parliament.uk  should you want to do the same.
How dare he be critical of Thai elections when UK democracy is in such a dire mess.  I actually received a reply from Mark but it was just a smarmy handoff.

GOV.UK update – Statement from Minister of State for Asia on the Thai elections

I wonder what he means by irregularities



Government response

Statement from Minister of State for Asia on the Thai elections
A statement from the Minister of State for Asia and the Pacific, Mark Field MP, on the recent elections in Thailand.

Published 25 March 2019
From:
Foreign & Commonwealth Office and The Rt Hon Mark Field MP
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Minister of State for Asia and the Pacific, Mark Field said:

I welcome the fact that elections have taken place in Thailand. It is encouraging to see so many Thai citizens seeking to have a say in their country’s future.

It is important that any reported irregularities are investigated swiftly, fairly and transparently, to ensure credibility and provide a clear result as soon as possible.

The process of government formation should be conducted in a proper and open manner, and reflect what people voted for.

We look forward to working closely with the newly elected government.

Further information
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Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 25, 2019, 08:37:35 AM »

Grab your Brexit-coin, before things change again! ;)

UK's commemorative Brexit coin on hold amid political crisis
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 24, 2019, 09:05:11 AM »

Here is the DM view of the March:-
By CHARLOTTE GILL FOR THE DAILY MAIL

 For a moment, I thought I’d stumbled into a vast camping expedition – a slow-moving tide of fleeces, anoraks, walking boots and sandwiches.

Yesterday’s People’s Vote march was a resolutely middle-class affair.

From Hampstead to Hampshire, they came to demand we overturn the largest democratic vote in the history of our nation.

Exceedingly politely, of course. But hell-bent, all the same, on a second referendum.

Many on the packed pavements of Central London were decidedly mature in years, flasks of tea and Waitrose quiche at the ready.

One sported a blue beret decorated with yellow stars, armed with a banner reading: ‘Listen to the young!’ Irony alert: she was about 80. Even the dogs were decked out in EU flags.

There was a younger, Instagram-friendly crowd, too, dressed in hipster tracksuits. And a proliferation of young children draped in EU propaganda and waving placards about safeguarding their future, hastily put together at the family craft table.

Joining proceedings were comedians Steve Coogan and Sandi Toksvig, while a predictable entourage of Remain politicians, including Sadiq Khan, Anna Soubry and Caroline Lucas, were also there.

We were told, breathlessly, that the initial count showed more than a million people were marching. The biggest protest march in UK history!

But, well, it wouldn’t be the first time such figures have been inflated. Let’s not forget the second Brexit referendum march in October 2018, which organisers claimed had more than 700,000 marchers, when the Greater London Authority put the number at a far more realistic 250,000.

Sophisticated analysis by the website countingcrowds.co.uk, using images of October’s march, suggested the true number was closer to 82,000. Should the same apply to yesterday’s rally, there might have been as few as 120,000 on the streets.

What I will concede, however, is that – for a political protest – the People’s Vote was by far one of the politest events I’ve ever been to.

For every rude poster – shouting ‘Brexs**t’, for instance – there were placards that merely fawned over the EU. Even when the crowds chanted ‘b******* to Brexit’ there was no snarl.

They could have been ordering the gnocchi in Carluccio’s.

To catch my breath amid the well-ordered chaos, I did what any true-blooded Brit would do – I went off in search of a restorative cup of tea. The elegant cafes of Mayfair were thronging with ravenous Remainers and their salads were laced with bulgur wheat.

Inside a particularly posh joint, I listened as all hell broke loose when a revolutionary told a waiter off for getting her latte order wrong. Her hand was decorated in flashy silver rings; on her bosom was a badge reading ‘Cancel Brexit’.

Suitably refreshed, I continued along the protest route, which took Europhiles away from Park Lane towards St James’s Street and Pall Mall.

If I were more of a conspiracy theorist, I might be inclined to suggest the march was designed to promote London’s most elite retail establishments.

It was a veritable tour of the best in bespoke men’s tailoring, cigar finery and the most expensive shaving sets I’ve ever seen. And no one even tried to loot them!

Music kept everyone’s spirits up, even if it was sometimes the theme tune from EastEnders, being blasted from a megaphone by two teenage girls.

‘Why are you playing that?’ I asked one of them. ‘Why not?’ she replied, nonchalant, her revolutionary spirit spilling over into outright confrontation.

Otherwise, it was classical music with all its pomp and circumstance that kept the crowds marching.

A man boldly played the 9th Symphony by Beethoven, the EU’s anthem, albeit without the support of an orchestra. In fact, his musical device looked a bit like a kazoo. He messed it up, much to the amusement of the hundreds within earshot.

Of course, many Remainers came across as rational in their protests – they adore the EU and don’t want to leave. But a lot appeared to have completely lost the plot. There was, for instance, the man whose placard read: ‘If Brexit is the will of the people, then I’m a giraffe’. He wore a plastic giraffe mask.

Others seemed to be using the occasion as an excuse for fancy dress; there was a little boy dressed as an astronaut and someone with a pineapple on their head. An Elvis impersonator weaved through the crowds on a bicycle, a Welsh flag protruding from his panier.

For a moment, I could almost forget the real revolution happening just down the road in Westminster – where hard choices and intransigence could soon cost us a Prime Minister and leave the fate of Britain on a knife edge. For some, yesterday seemed to be a jolly excuse for a day trip to London.

At another popular refuge point – the Hard Rock Cafe – I talked to Emma Fry, 44, who told me she had come in from Bristol, with an army of friends from other parts of the country.

A demonstrator leads a greyhound wearing a suit in the EU colors during a Peoples Vote anti-Brexit march in London    +7
A demonstrator leads a greyhound wearing a suit in the EU colors during a Peoples Vote anti-Brexit march in London

A young couple said they’d come from Hampshire, and Marrion Welham, from the Norfolk-Suffolk border, warned ominously that ‘this whole saga had been dictated by hard Right-wing Research Group MPs...’ and that Remainers had been ‘not really been given a voice’.

Clearly she hasn’t been watching too many shows on the BBC.

I worried, as a woman who – at 5ft 2in – is far from imposing, that I’d feel intimidated in these crowds. On the contrary, I was rather embraced. I even made the ultimate faux pas: I told people I’d voted for Brexit.

It could easily have got ugly. Expecting looks of horror – and perhaps a thrown quiche – I received only sympathetic glances and civility.

This was strangely reassuring – the country may be divided, but at least we’re not thumping each other. Yet.

Additional reporting by Holly Bancroft
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 24, 2019, 05:00:40 AM »

One million join march against Brexit as Tories plan to oust May

Organisers hail UK’s ‘biggest-ever demo’, while Tom Watson leads calls for fresh referendum

In one of the biggest demonstrations in British history, a crowd estimated at over one million people yesterday marched peacefully through central London to demand that MPs grant them a fresh referendum on Brexit.

Full article: The Guardian

They really gotta hurry up now, as the EU elections have to be prepared in case it turns out different from the first referendum. April 12 is the set date for last chance to prepare.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 22, 2019, 08:33:36 AM »

My daily news info I usually gather from the German sites DIE ZEIT, der Spiegel, Frankfurter Allgemeine and Süddeutsche Zeitung, before I venture to international sites. Today is headline, that the EU offered an extension until May 22 to the UK, if their parliament still agreed to the already negotiated contract in the coming week. If not, they got to leave on April 12. But until then there is still the possibility to extend membership for at least one year. April 12 is the last day Britain could still start preparing for the EU elections.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 21, 2019, 10:59:32 PM »

 Petition Revoke Article 50 and remain in the EU.

The government repeatedly claims exiting the EU is 'the will of the people'. We need to put a stop to this claim by proving the strength of public support now, for remaining in the EU. A People's Vote may not happen - so vote now.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 21, 2019, 03:42:01 AM »

As seen on Guido:-

WATCH IT ALL HERE ALL OF THE TIME FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER STOP! THE BREXIT IS OFFICIALLY GOING ON FOREVER! IT WILL NEVER BE FINALLY DECIDED WHO HAS WON THE BREXIT! THERE IS STILL FOREVER TO DISCUSS FOR AND FOREVER TO DISCUSS IT IN! pic.twitter.com/yjk5tlDLEj

— Jack Tindale (@JackTindale) March 11, 2019
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 20, 2019, 09:09:56 PM »

May asked for a delay of 3 months. What does she want to achieve by that? I hope, the EU won't grant an extension longer than May 23, before the election. Longer bears heavy risks. Better not extend at all!
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 19, 2019, 04:05:36 PM »

Parliament exists to carry out the wishes of the People.  However, Parliament has completely lost sight of this fact.

Aux armes, Citoyens
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 16, 2019, 06:39:47 PM »

A poll ran by Civey today had almost 60% of respondents voting against agreeing to extend Brexit. Get it over with, and the sooner the EU will be fine again! The UK? They'll get what they voted for. Their problem now!
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 15, 2019, 04:56:55 PM »

This from The Nation:-

No major harm to Thailand from Brexit, say experts businessMarch 15, 2019 01:00 By PHUWIT LIMVIPHUWAT
THE NATION
2,688 Viewed EXPERTS PREDICT that Brexit will have a limited impact on the Thai economy, saying that the biggest loser will be the United Kingdom itself.  On Tuesday, UK lawmakers rejected May’s Brexit agreement proposal by 391 to 242 votes in the House of Commons. On Wednesday, the no-deal Brexit option – a scenario in which the UK would leave the EU without any agreement in place – was also rejected by the Commons. The UK is due to leave the EU on March 29. UK lawmakers were voting last night on whether to request a Brexit date extension. “Research has shown that Brexit is the UK and the European Union’s problem,” said Paiboon Nalinthrangkurn, chairman of the Federation of Thai Capital Market Organisations (Fetco).

He argued that in the worst-case scenario where the UK leaves the EU with no-deal, the Thai economy may only take a 0.1- to 0.2-per-cent hit to its Gross Domestic Product (GDP), while the UK would go into a recession in 2020, with a GDP growth contraction of 0.6 per cent, from an original forecast of 2-per-cent growth.  The Commerce Ministry’s Department of Trade Negotiations (DTN) views the economic impacts of Brexit on the Thai economy as being unclear. “The impacts of recent developments concerning Brexit are still unclear. However, Brexit will mostly impact the UK’s economy,” said Auramon Supthaweethum, DTN director-general.   The UK had been preparing its customs [department] to cope with Brexit for some time, and predicted that Thai trade was unlikely to be disrupted by the event, she said.  “For example, they are prepared to establish and manage their own trade customs with their own customs officers,” she explained. However, the prospect of the UK leaving the EU may complicate the free trade agreement (FTA) negotiations between Thailand and the EU. Thailand is expecting to continue its Thai-EU FTA negotiations in the second half of this year after it was halted four years ago, Auramon said. “After the Thai election in March and the European Parliament election in May, the Thai-EU FTA negotiations will likely be back on the table,” she said.  “Brexit will not affect the Thai-EU FTA negotiations,” she assured, explaining that Thailand would continue to negotiate with the EU bloc without the UK if it decided to leave the EU.  “However, given that the UK is currently Thailand’s second largest trading partner in the EU, Thailand will also be seeking to establish an FTA with the UK after Brexit,” said Auramon.  Representatives from Thailand’s private sector have voiced their demand for an improvement in the ease of trade between the Kingdom and the EU, as well as with the UK, she added.  In 2018, Thailand’s trade with the UK was valued at Bt226 billion, with Thai exports accounting for up to Bt130 billion, according to the Thai Customs Department.  Meanwhile, one possible impact of Brexit on Thai trade is on the country-specific quota tax on Thai exports to the EU, according to the director-general.  Currently, Thai exports such as rice and cassava would be taxed at a higher rate if the quantity exported to the EU exceeded the set quota. “When the UK leaves the EU, there may a need to make amendments to the quota of goods, as the UK will also need to establish their own separate quota on Thai exports,” she explained.  Auramon said Thailand would negotiate a new post-Brexit quota with both the UK and the EU and she guaranteed that it would not be any lower than the current EU quota, which includes the UK.  Hiroki Matsumata, president of the Japan External Trade Organisation Bangkok (Jetro Bangkok) and Asean’s chief representative, said: “The direct impacts of Brexit on the Thai economy are going to be limited. However, it is still too soon to say what the positive and negative indirect impacts of the historic break-up are going to be. “For Japanese firms in Thailand, both Brexit and the US-China trade war represent the rise of protectionist trends around the world. However, Japanese firms believe Thailand and other Asean members champion free trade and that after Brexit, Thailand will continue to push for more free trade with the EU and the UK,” he said.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 14, 2019, 12:43:54 PM »

Parliament voted against a no-deal Brexit, that's why PM May wants parliament to vote a third time on her deal. She had two shots already, so why not give the public a second shot referendum on the Brexit?
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 13, 2019, 07:18:00 AM »

This extracted from order-order.com...a little story about the Attorney General

The PM might feel that she took a bit of a spanking from the Attorney General this morning. Which reminds Guido of an amusing anecdote. Back in 2000 defending Robin Peverett, (66), the former headmaster of the elite Dulwich College, his barrister Geoffrey Cox said “What’s a little buttock fondling after all? It was all such a long time ago”.

“This sort of thing happened all the time in my school. It was a different era when headmasters considered themselves Gods, like barristers,” he added, dismissing a reporter who posed questions afterwards as someone who “went to a little comp somewhere.” Old school Tory…
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 12, 2019, 04:27:09 PM »

And now there is even a King's College Frankfurt, so the kids don't have to learn German to go to school or attend that (American) FIS Frankfurt International School or ISF International School Frankfurt  Rhein–Main, or the Metropolitan School Frankfurt etc., when the banking father moves after his job to Frankfurt:

https://kcfrankfurt.de/the-school/kings-college-frankfurt/

One's gotta be really rich to send a kid there! :spin

International Schools are booming in Frankfurt just like the banks! That fairly new King's College is not on the map, yet, but must be near main / taunus international school in the upper part. And Dreieich is in the lower part near Strothoff International School Rhein Main.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 12, 2019, 02:14:29 PM »

Sterling surges as May secures Brexit assurances, yen dips

Sterling rose sharply on Tuesday as speculation swirled that British Prime Minister Theresa May might be closer to securing approval for her Brexit deal.

The pound extended earlier gains as May won legally binding Brexit assurances from the European Union, in a last ditch attempt to sway rebellious British lawmakers who have threatened to vote down her divorce deal in a parliamentary vote on Tuesday.

Sterling, jumped as high as $1.3290 as some investors bolstered bet the prime minister could secure a divorce deal before Britain’s scheduled March 29 departure from the EU.

The pound was last trading 0.6 percent higher on the day at $1.3223, having been as low as $1.2945 at one stage on Monday.

The euro slid to its lowest on the pound since mid-2017 at 84.71 pence. It was last quoted down about 0.4 percent on the day at 85.15 pence.

At a joint news conference with European Commission head Jean-Claude Juncker late on Monday, May announced three documents aimed at addressing the most contentious part of the exit deal she agreed in November – the Irish backstop.

“Seeing them together in the same screen, is a positive – that there is some hand holding there and working together to move forward,” said Bart Wakabayashi, Tokyo branch manager at State Street Bank.

The Irish backstop is an insurance policy aimed at avoiding controls on the sensitive border between the British province of Northern Ireland and EU member Ireland.

“If they can break (the backstop) down to a level where there can be some negotiation or at least compromise on both sides, there definitely does seem (to be) light at the end of the tunnel,” added Wakabayashi.

If May loses the vote on Tuesday, she has said lawmakers will get a vote on Wednesday on whether to leave without a deal and, if they reject that, then a vote on whether to ask for a limited delay to Brexit.

Most other currencies stayed within familiar trading ranges before U.S. February inflation figures expected later on Tuesday.

The dollar index, which measures the greenback against a basket of six rivals, fell almost 0.2 percent to 97.063 on a modest improvement in investors’ risk appetite.

Against the Japanese yen, a safe-haven currency often bought in times of rising volatility, the dollar was 0.2 percent higher at 111.43 yen.

Data on Monday showed U.S. retail sales rose modestly in January, lifted by an increase in purchases of building materials and discretionary spending, but a drop in December was even larger than initially thought.

The euro found support against the dollar on the Brexit news and the improvement in risk appetite. The single currency was last up about 0.15 percent at $1.1259.

 (Reuters)  magafirstnews.com
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 12, 2019, 08:07:16 AM »

Before today's vote:

German newspapers report there were a breakthrough in the negotiations regarding the backstop, but don't explicitly explain details. The Guardian explains:

Here’s a little more detail on what the cabinet secretary, David Lidington, has told MPs about the negotiations in Strasbourg:

  • We will be laying two new documents in the House: A joint, legally binding instrument on the withdrawal agreement and protocol on Northern Ireland; and a joint statement to supplement the political declaration.

    The first provides confirmation that the EU cannot try to trap the UK in the backstop indefinitely and that doing so would be an explicit breach of the legally-binding commitments that both sides have agreed.

    If – contrary to all expectations – the EU were to act with that intention, the UK could use this acceptance of what could constitute an explicit breach as the basis for a formal dispute, through independent arbitration, that such a breach had occurred – ultimately suspending the protocol if thew EU continued to breach its obligations.

    On top of this, the joint instrument also reflect the United Kingdom’s and European Union’s commitment to work to replace the backstop with alternative arrangements by December 2020, setting out explicitly that these arrangements do not need to replicate the provisions of the backstop in any respect.

Reactions seem to be mixed.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 11, 2019, 01:41:50 PM »

Will anybody still be interested in moving back to what is going to remain of the UK, if tomorrow the outcome will be a "no-deal Brexit" and more bankers and businesses run to the mainland Europe? Except Roger of course! ;)
More than 275 financial firms are moving a combined $1.2 trillion in assets and funds and thousands of staff from Britain to the European Union in readiness for Brexit at a cost of up to $4 billion, a report from a think tank said on Monday. finance.yahoo.com
pic@ Reuters

Split and moved here from Thread My troubled email by admin.

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 10, 2019, 12:06:55 AM »

Article in the Guardian about a Brexit comedy evening: Never Mind the Brexit: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2019/mar/08/never-mind-the-backstop-camden-comedy-club-brexit-standups
Here is one of the comments btl:-

An Englishman, a Frenchman, a Spaniard, and a German start to argue about whose native language is the most beautiful.

The Englishman begins. "England is the land of Shakespeare and literature, and our language is filled with beautiful poetry. Take the word 'butterfly'. It conveys such a beautiful image of that creature smoothly flying through the air like butter."


The Frenchman responds. "Nothing in English can compare to the natural beauty of the French language. Bah, 'butter fly'. That can not even begin to compare the angelic beauty of our word, 'papillon'".


The Spaniard now pipes in. "I understand the pride that both of you feel about your languages, but seriously, our word is by far the most word: 'mariposa'".


All turn to the German who is just sitting there, sulking. Finally, he bursts out with, "So ... what's wrong with 'Schmetterling', anyway?"
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 09, 2019, 12:48:00 PM »

Looks like your client has to find another place for the negotiations, as I am not inclined to come to a HOBS bar further than walking distance from my house. Best preparation would be to open a HOBS bar in this village.  Of course I reserve the right to make another decision upon completion, if it doesn't suit my taste.

And of course all the Paulaner consumed during the negotiations must be included in the final price for the condo. But I wonder, whether three people can drink fast enough for the bill to keep pace with the rising estate prices around Frankfurt due to bankers running from the Brexit. ;)
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 09, 2019, 12:37:42 PM »

Johnnie, my client has instructed me to begin negotiations with you for the purchase of the condo.  My client is an extremely wealthy banker and already owns a large estate just outside Frankfurt. He is now looking to acquire a number of condos for his domestic staff:- drivers, gardeners etc.  Can we begin negotiations this coming Monday at HOBS bar? My client can be an extremely difficult person and so negotiations are expected to take some time, maybe years.  All Paulaner consumed during the negotiation period is to be to the account of Mr. Johnnie.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 09, 2019, 11:07:50 AM »

Looks like you have a friend who wants to migrate from London to Frankfurt going after his bank job. He can contact me about buying my apartment in Dreieich, a very well connected idyllic town a couple of km south of the city, not far from the airport. 58 sqm, two rooms, kitchen, big hall, bathroom, balcony, cellar, parking space, elevator, playground etc. for about €210,000 (185,000 GBP) in that town is a bargain. With all costs of the transfer and taxes it will be around €240,000 ( 206,000 GBP). Almost everybody advises me not to sell now, as prices are expected to jump higher still, when there is going to  be a no-deal Brexit.

You can see, that the average price per sqm is not only higher than the average in the state of Hessen, but also a lot higher than the average price in whole Germany. I don't think I want to live there again: boring neighbors of only bank employees running from the Brexit living around Frankfurt now!

€9,25 for a bottle Paulaner cannot be deemed very expensive anymore. Gladly cover that, if your friend buys that apartment from me. :)

Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 09, 2019, 10:19:55 AM »

Johnnie, I have decided on the venue for the drinks session:- HOBS bar at IconSiam.  The Paulaner Weissbier is a mere 330 Baht (€9.25) per 500ml.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2019, 02:57:14 PM »

I wonder, how you always find articles as badly researched, Roger!  ;)

No, the Euro is still considerably over the low of last months. 1 minute ago it was 35.67506 to the THB, while about a month ago it had plunged below 35 even. And the GBP is down to 41.64283 to the baht as well. China's problems keep all in the same boat. Only Trump still expects the USA to benefit from his trade war.

But the ultra-cheap credit policy is fact. My bank in Germany just yesterday offered me a loan at an effective interest rate of 2.01 %. It just doesn't mean that the UK might be better off without a deal. That's not what has been said. The talk was about the uncertainty. As long as May keeps traveling to Brussels in hope of any further concessions there is uncertainty. Once she gives up her hopes businesses, both in the UK and the EU, can make decisions based upon what they see coming instead of unreliable politicians' promises, and we know more. Until then everything is pure speculation, gambling, the betting Brits love so much.

Quote
...strengthen Britain’s hand in EU negotiations

Britain needs to "strengthen its hand in EU negotiations" can only be interpreted as not having a strong hand now. :-[
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 08, 2019, 02:18:22 PM »

I thought you would enjoy this JF . . . .

Euro plunges to 21-month low after gloomy ECB unveils new stimulus and slashes growth forecasts

    ''European Central Bank unveils new stimulus to prop up economy
    Banks will be offered more cheap loans to boost growth
    Stocks knocked by ECB slashing growth forecasts
    ECB warns interest rates will remain ultra-low until at least end of 2019
    Britain will prosper with a 'hard but smart' Brexit say German economists
    Businesses on edge as 'secretive' ministers plot drastic action on tariffs
''.

''Embracing free trade would limit the damage caused by a "no deal" Brexit, give a bounty of cheaper imports to consumers and strengthen Britain’s hand in EU negotiations, according to top German economists. Slashing all import tariffs after Brexit would cut costs for households and businesses, giving the economy a boost, the Ifo Institute said in a new report, calling this model a “hard but smart” Brexit.

At the same time it would rebalance the power around the negotiating table, which is currently based on a "no deal" Brexit harming the UK because it would involve Britain imposing WTO taxes on its own consumers
.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/07/markets-latest-news-pound-euro-ftse-100-ecb-set-signal-fresh/

and https://www.bangkokpost.com/business/news/1640852/draghi-slashes-ecb-outlook-as-officials-inject-more-stimulus?
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2019, 12:13:49 PM »

Topic: The Brexit  (Read 27861 times)

Wow, I would never have thought, that this topic would get as many views with just 166 posts by only a hand full of posters. That's a post to page views ratio of 1:167.

Definitely must have something to do with what Fluffy remarked:

It's unlike most of other discussions about the Brexit from different viewpoints, it's full of knowledge and not so hard-headed: enjoyable! Keep on like that! :)

On a parallel forum 588 posts to this topic got only 15,006 views! That's 1:26.

But of course, when somebody writes "Italy has already said that in the event of a no-deal, it will seek it's own agreement with the UK", it's plain to see that there isn't any understanding of the EU behind that, because member states just cannot make any own deals with third countries (non-members), that's what they joined the EU for: to get the most by united action.

P.S. Actually the high post to page views ratio is not so surprising, when you look at the forum stats: 30,569,255 page views on 45,730 posts. that makes a ratio of 1:668.  :)
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2019, 09:54:19 AM »

Foreignpolicy.com has its view on something really serious in case of a No-Deal Brexit: a toilet paper shortage! Ok, the Korat expat returning home to the UK says: "Fine with me, I got used to those bum guns they use in Thailand!" But those who have seen a little more of Thailand will know, not everywhere there is a bum gun installed or toilet paper provided; at some places there is just a Thai toilet with a bucket of water for flushing. A shortage of toilet paper, especially since it has the reputation of being heavy duty quality like Reynolds Wrap, might lead to serious problems in the UK; I don't even dare to picture any of those...  :fart ;D

Or it's back to buying The Sun and Daily Mail as paper again to read and use in the loo... :evilgrin
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:25:56 PM »

Hi Fluffy, thanks for the praises! And welcome to the forum!

 :cheers

Johnnie F.
Posted by: Fluffy
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:09:22 PM »

Compliments, guys, I like to read your bantering about this topic. It's unlike most of other discussions about the Brexit from different viewpoints, it's full of knowledge and not so hard-headed: enjoyable! Keep on like that! :)

My opinion? I keep hoping that it won't turn out too bad, though it will take it's toll.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 05:50:41 PM »

That does not sound good. I imagine there is no appeal against the tax man’s valuation?  This could only happen in the EU.

Of course there is, if you want to invest the postage for a few pennies difference in tax your tenant has to pay. The taxation of estate property in Germany is done by the cities and towns according to their revenue statutes; and it is used to build and maintain roads etc. The nicer and better developed the town, the higher is the value of houses. Taxation can be different again in the next town with potholed streets etc. just 1 km away, so it can't be blamed on the EU.

BTW the same thing happens in the USA as well, only there the tax on your house is not a few Euros, it's a couple of thousand dollars for a ridiculous shack, if that gains value; there it's estimated and collected by the state to my knowledge.  8)

May I imagine, that in the UK one does not need to pay taxes, but gets money from the taxman in addition to your income, holdings and possessions? Of course that were a decent thing? ;D
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 05:33:09 PM »

Quote
The taxman asks for annual tax payments on the value estimated by himself every 5 years.

That does not sound good. I imagine there is no appeal against the tax man’s valuation?  This could only happen in the EU.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 04:19:31 PM »

I haven't sold it yet, only noticed the rise in value from the last tax bill. The taxman asks for annual tax payments on the value estimated by himself every 5 years. No problem so far, as my tenant has to pay that tax for me as part of his utilities bill.

If you buy it from me at the value estimated by the taxman or find a buyer for that price, I will gladly pay a few pints to help you get over these Brexit woes. ;D
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 03:35:00 PM »

Johnnie, I am pleased to hear that you have made good gains on your condo in Frankfurt.  I think you should show appreciation to staunch Brexiteers like Roger and myself by standing us a round of drinks.  But somewhere decent, not in the G&D.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 03:19:11 PM »

The "key" to the world nowadays belongs to the conglomerate "Big Money", of which the UK held a considerable share in London. But the caretakers of "Big Money" (mainly banks) have a problem with pulling the strings from London, if the UK doesn't have good connections to the rest of the world anymore. A No-Deal Brexit would cut a lot of those strings. In fear of that quite a considerable numbers of banks have moved their operation centers to cities on the mainland Europe already. Just look at Frankfurt. My condo there about doubled in value within the last five years. Frankfurt used to be a nice city, but now it seems to become more hectic than ever; first it was the crumbling of the East Block 30 years ago, now it is the run of "Big Money" from "brexiting" Britain, going steep up since the Brexit referendum. 
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 02:23:15 PM »

Yes, the British Empire started to crumble rapidly after the First World War.  I think in one of my previous posts I even suggested that we might sell of Gibraltar if that were to ease any Spanish difficulties.  All Empires eventually come to an end:- Roman Empire,  Ottoman Empire, British Empire,  Russian Empire (USSR).  Next to fall will be the EU Empire (European Union of Socialist States)
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 07, 2019, 01:29:39 PM »

Hi JF. I'll leave TT to answer your reponse but re. EMPIRE - yep the British Empire is long gone and 3 cheers for that  ;)  But if you think OUT of the EU means more isolation, hopefully not !

There's a whole World outside the EU you know  8)  BFN
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 07, 2019, 10:51:15 AM »

Maybe some Brits will find this "acceptable" now, but how will any trade partners in Europe or anywhere else on the planet think of the UK? Will they find the UK a reliable trade partner and risk business or investments? Will they find those politicians "acceptable" in the sense of trustworthy? It's highly questionable! Did Brit politicians at any given time think of the psychological impacts of their move on other countries' politics and trade relations? ;)

Be realistic: the days of THE BRITISH EMPIRE are over; it's just a country isolating itself more and more.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 09:21:55 AM »

Roger, this is the only acceptable one from your list and it could have been done 2 years ago:-
1. No deal Brexit
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 07, 2019, 08:23:46 AM »

Heard a strong assertion on BBC that Mrs May's deal WILL go down by 100 votes next Tuesday.

Alternative paths left are :-
1. No deal Brexit   ;D   ;D   ;D
2. Extension of Article 50 - that'd be OK and it would have to be limited to a few months with the European elections coming . . . however, Macron and others say extension is only possible IF something fundamental changes in the UK - such as a General Election, 2nd Referendum or a new Tory Leader  8)
3. 2nd Referendum - IMO this will only happen when ALL other alternatives are exhausted.
4. Norway Plus deal - as being discussed by Tory factions with Corbyn yesterday. As it would mean staying in the 'Customs Union' AND the 'Single Market', I don't see that getting through Parliament.
5. Remain  >:(   >:(   >:(   >:(

God only knows !

If it's 'no deal', this would be a strong first step in the UK rebirth, ''The UK government may cut trade tariffs on between 80% and 90% of goods in the event of a no-deal Brexit''. Brilliant.

Come on Jacob the Mogg ! Boris has had a haircut - anything could happen.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 07, 2019, 07:14:25 AM »

The great thing about all this Brexit uncertainty is that it has gummed up the workings of Government for two years.  When governments get elected they set out to impress the electorate by creating as many new laws as possible despite the fact that there are already far too many laws which are never correctly applied. So the Brexit hiatus has given us a respite from unnecessary lawmaking.
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 06, 2019, 08:53:04 PM »

Fresh backstop talks in Brussels end with no breakthrough
European Commission: No solution identified at this point
Downing Street: Talks with EU have been 'difficult'
Woody Johnson: Scare stories about US food created by EU
Former MI6 head says no deal Brexit is better than May's deal
Opinion: UK defeated EU - it should be demanding surrender terms
Opinion: PM must decide if she's serious about no-deal Brexit
Philip Johnston: The Prime Minister's Brexit gamble has backfired

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/03/06/brexit-latest-news-theresa-may-faces-commons-grilling-talks/
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 04, 2019, 09:35:12 PM »

Brexit bribe? UK PM Theresa May unveils $2.1 billion fund for Brexit-backing towns

The opposition Labour Party's finance spokesman, John McDonnell, said the fund was "Brexit bribery".

British Prime Minister Theresa May will on Monday set out plans for a 1.6 billion pound ($2.11 billion) fund to help to boost economic growth in Brexit-supporting communities with ministers denying it was a bribe to win support for her EU exit deal.

The "Stronger Towns Fund", details of which appeared in newspapers last month, is seen by many as part of May's efforts to win support for her Brexit deal from opposition Labour lawmakers who represent areas, particularly in northern England that voted strongly in favour of leaving the European Union.

Britain is due to leave the bloc at the end of the month and May, whose exit deal with Brussels was rejected by a large majority of lawmakers in January, has promised parliament will get to vote on a revised deal by March 12.

The government said the fund would be targeted at places that had not shared fairly in the country's prosperity and would be used to create new jobs, help to train people and boost economic activity.

"Communities across the country voted for Brexit as an expression of their desire to see change; that must be a change for the better, with more opportunity and greater control," May said in a statement.

"These towns have a glorious heritage, huge potential and, with the right help, a bright future ahead of them."

The opposition Labour Party's finance spokesman, John McDonnell, said the fund was "Brexit bribery".

"This towns fund smacks of desperation from a government reduced to bribing Members of Parliament to vote for their damaging flagship Brexit legislation," he said in a statement.

However, Communities Secretary James Brokenshire said the money was not linked to support for the withdrawal agreement.

"This is funding is there regardless of the outcome," he told BBC radio when asked if the money was a bribe. Obviously we want to see a deal happening. But no, there is no conditionality in that sense."

One billion pounds has already been allocated, with more than half going to towns across the north of England. A further 600 million pounds will be available for communities around the country to bid for, the government said.

Critics said that the fund, when divided between a large of areas, would not provide individual towns with that much money, nor make up for what they had lost as a result of government cuts in recent years.

Brokenshire did not say how many towns would benefit but said the money could be "transformative".

"It can make that difference on creating the jobs, actually putting the skills in place and changing people's lives in a modern positive economy," he said.

REUTERS economictimes.indiatimes.com
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 04, 2019, 08:56:22 PM »

Very good news:- flights to Europe are back to normal.  We have all got time to get to Sunderland on 16th March for the Brexit March on Westminster. 
https://order-order.com/2019/02/28/brexiteers-march-sunderland-westminster/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 04, 2019, 08:33:38 AM »

European investors are taking major bets on the UK economy


Very precisely put, stating there are at least two betting on the unlikely against maybe millions clear-thinking investors in Europe, but not telling how much or little (1 GBP or even 2 GBP) they bet against these extremely high odds. They could win millions at these odds. And of course the article, which I even don't bother reading, isn't telling where these gamblers are. The British island or the mainland Europe. I assume, Brexit is understood as leaving the political construction European Union, but geographically it will keep attached to the European continent, not drift away in the ocean like an ice floe. And since betting is a typical British game, as answer to the question of which nationality those betting at this high risk hold, only Brits come to mind. ;D

But isn't it nice of at least some thinking about welfare in Britain and invest and risk some, even if it might be 1 GBP only, instead of running away from UK's very likely dim future? ;)

Roger, what are you trying to achieve by repeating such rumors?
Posted by: Roger
« on: March 04, 2019, 07:10:31 AM »

''European investors are taking major bets on the UK economy, more than doubling investment in Britain over the past three years. Uncertainty around Brexit has not stopped companies on the continent from embarking on a major deal spree in the UK, indicating faith in the economy’s long-term prospects among foreign money managers.

Buyers in the EU have snapped up 553 UK assets through mergers and acquisitions and private placements in the past year, according to S&P Capital IQ data. Purchases of companies, property and stakes in fast-growing firms totalled $31.1bn over the past 12 months
.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/03/03/europeans-double-uk-investment-since-brexit-vote/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 03, 2019, 10:36:10 PM »

Right, if they find out they can't do without the EU, there is still the possibility to reapply for membership. Just keep your fingers crossed, there won't be too much damage in the meantime.
Posted by: Winterton
« on: March 03, 2019, 08:59:04 PM »

There is no point delaying Brexit if an agreement is still unlikely. Just get on with it. The 29th of March is as good a day as any.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 02, 2019, 07:09:29 PM »

There are more and more voices in EU member countries against a delay of Brexit, because of the elections to the European Parliament on May 26,2019. It were unfair to let the UK have a vote still, if they want to leave anyway. Deadlocked?

So it seems to come down to the options leave without a better deal than agreed to by the EU or remain.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 02, 2019, 06:49:22 PM »

Also scared of a no-deal Bexit:

Ryanair moves spare parts from Britain to EU countries before Brexit

 Berlin (dpa) - Europe's biggest budget airline is taking precautions in case of a no-deal Brexit by shifting some of its spare parts from a British central storage unit to other EU locations.

Ryanair's director of maintenance and engineering told dpa that Britain's unregulated departure from the European Union could make moving parts around difficult because of customs restrictions, for example.

"We're concerned that it could take longer to get spare parts to airports where we need them quickly from the central storage in Stansted," Karsten Muehlenfeld said, referring to a London airport.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary is an outspoken critic of Brexit, though he says his Irish airline, which is registered in the EU and not in Britain, will not be as badly affected as some British-based airlines.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 02, 2019, 03:32:09 PM »

I think we are more closely related to the Scandinavians who will vehemently deny that they are European:-

The Norse Legacy in English

Thanks to the cross-cultural fermentation that occured in the Danelaw — and later when England was temporarily absorbed into Canute the Great’s North Sea Kingdom — the English language is much closer to that of its Scandinavian neighbors than many acknowledge. By the time the Norman conquest brought the irreversible influence of French, Old English had already been transformed beyond its Anglo-Saxon roots.

This is still in evidence today; modern English grammar and syntax are more similar to modern Scandinavian languages than to Old English. This suggests that Old Norse didn’t just introduce new words, but influenced how the Anglo-Saxons constructed their sentences. Some linguists even claim that English should be reclassified as a North Germanic language (along with Danish, Norwegian, Icelandic and Swedish), rather than a West Germanic language (with Dutch and German). The Viking influence may be most apparent in the Yorkshire dialect, which uses even more Norse words in daily speech than standard English does.

English is probably too much of a hybrid to ever neatly classify, but its Old Norse rót is clearly there among the tangle of Anglo-Saxon, French and Latin roots. The language of the Vikings may have become subdued over the centuries, but make no mistaka about it — from byrðr (birth) undtil we deyja (die) — Norse’s raw energy simmers under the surface of everything we say.

Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:47:43 PM »

Never heard of that guy. Does he have ancestors born in Germany like Trump? ;)


When you try to look up his name on Google, not one entry of a German webpage mentioning him can be found among the first five SERPs. I didn't bother to look further.

Guess he makes money entertaining Brits to their likeness pretending to be a German mocker.  ;)

We also got "Brits" in Germany trying to make money pretending to represent British lifestyle and do just clowning.

Now try to find out where the Anglo-Saxons came from. You will find out, that the British are closer related to the Germanic people than to others.

Maybe the people on the continent are not so much different than Brits like to believe. Anyway, this topic is about the modalities of the Brexit; it is fact, that those have not been thought over well enough before the referendum. People were left to the lies of some politicians. Now there is chaos. And both sides are working on sorting things out. But it is like it was before: Demands of Brit politicians are just unrealistic.

Does anybody expect those 27 countries to give in fully to the demands of the politicians of an island, who have been nagging all along? Probably the majority are secretly happy to get rid of them. But of course they can't let them go for free, debts have to be settled and contracts to be fulfilled.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: March 02, 2019, 02:08:39 PM »

Hi Johnnie,

This is a funny clip from one of your fellow countrymen:-

https://order-order.com/2019/03/01/german-comedian-nails-brexit/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 01, 2019, 08:40:06 AM »

Germany... on the brink of recession

First time I ever heard this!  :)

Is this credible? ;)

Or isn't that more credible?

"Germany's economy witnessed lackluster growth in 2018, according to flash data released Tuesday, in line with expectations. German gross domestic product (GDP) grew 1.5 percent in 2018, compared with 2.2 percent in 2017, the latest data from the Federal Statistics Office (Destatis) showed.)

cnbc.com

The unemployment rate in the EU varied between 2.1% (Czech Republique), 3.3% (Germany) up to 18.6% in "problem child" Greece.

statista.com

Now who would blame the unemployment in Greece on the Brexit  for example? They had it far worse long before the Brexit referendum and are recovering steadily. :)




Posted by: Roger
« on: March 01, 2019, 06:32:55 AM »

''Britain's economy is set to boom and become the largest in Europe - because of Brexit

The public finances are on the mend, recording a healthy surplus in January on booming tax receipts. Employment is at record levels, with real wage growth at a two-year high. Despite a global slowdown, Britain expanded 1.4 per cent last year, recording just 4 per cent unemployment. Yet Germany and France are on the brink of recession, the Italian economy is contracting and eurozone joblessness is twice as high.''

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/02/28/britains-economy-set-boom-become-largest-europe-brexit/
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: February 28, 2019, 06:54:07 PM »


A hard Brexit will affect all major EU nations and let's face it, maybe Germany most.
Disaster was your word.

Your presumption is, that people in Britain will then not demand products imported from Germany and the other EU countries anymore at all.

What will change for them is, that they got to pay more, but not because the producer had raised prices, simply because the Brit government was so silly to think they could force people to buy products "made in the UK" instead by imposing high tariffs. Who will the conscious British consumers blame for that "disaster" of a higher price for their preferred item?  ;)


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