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PC Britain
« on: May 04, 2014, 05:27:24 PM »
It is just amazing to see what will offend sensibilities in the UK these days.  Here is one of the latest examples. I bet the Niggaz worldwide are laughing their socks off at this:-
Jeremy Clarkson has begged viewers' forgiveness after he appeared to use the N-word during filming of his BBC programme Top Gear.

In a video statement posted online on Thursday, he said that he had tried to obscure the word when reciting the 'eeny, meeny, miny, moe' nursery rhyme to choose between two cars, but that his efforts to do so "weren't quite good enough".

Clarkson had previously issued a robust denial of the allegation, telling his 3.2 million Twitter followers: "I did not use the n-word. Never use it. The Mirror has gone way too far this time."

But footage of the incident was later posted on The Daily Mirror website. In it Clarkson recites the beginning of the children's nursery rhyme "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe …" before mumbling: "Catch a "negro" (replaced by censor system) by his toe."

In his video statement Clarkson concludes by saying: "Please be assured I did everything in my power to not use that word, as I'm sitting here begging your forgiveness for the fact my efforts obviously weren't quite good enough, thank you."

Clarkson's apology came after a day of growing calls for the BBC to sack him over the row. The corporation issued a strongly worded statement saying: "Jeremy Clarkson has set out the background to this regrettable episode. We have made it absolutely clear to him, the standards the BBC expects on air and off. We have left him in no doubt about how seriously we view this."

Downing Street condemned any use of the word, saying that David Cameron – a friend of Clarkson's – would "certainly not" use it.

Davies added: "It's ironic that Ukip seem to be better at tackling racism in their midst than the BBC."

Aliya Mohammed, the chief executive of Race Equality First, called for immediate action from the BBC.

She said: "I am appalled at yet another open display of racism from Clarkson. How many racist comments will the BBC allow from the presenter? It makes me question whether Clarkson feels it would be acceptable because he thinks viewers and others within the BBC share his views.

"Racism is illegal and it has no place in modern society. I urge as many people as possible to show their condemnation of this abhorrent display of racism. A public personality should set an example to viewers and Clarkson is clearly a very bad example."

Lawyers for the Indian-born actor Somi Guha, who appeared in The Bill and other television shows, made a formal complaint to the BBC Trust as calls for Clarkson to be sacked gathered pace. In the letter, which was also sent to the media regulator Ofcom and has been seen by the Guardian, the lawyer Lawrence Davies demanded an external investigation into how the offensive language had come to be edited out of the show and whether Clarkson had been reprimanded.

Davies, director of the law firm Equal Justice Solicitors, said Clarkson would be dismissed in any other line of work. "It's appalling. He's a repeat offender and should be sacked," he said.

"If he was a Ukip councillor in a private meeting I believe they would suspend or dismiss him. If he was the owner of an American basketball team he would be fined and banned. But the BBC consider themselves unaccountable on the issue of racism."

The prime minister's spokesman said: "In terms of any usage of that word, that would be quite wrong."

He added that the BBC would be investigating the claims. "If there are those types of reports and allegations I'm sure that is something the BBC will look at." Clarkson, who earned more than £14m last year for his Top Gear work, is understood to have spoken to senior BBC figures on Thursday morning as part of the corporation's investigation into the allegations.

Executives learned about the controversy only when a preview of the Mirror's front page was published online on Wednesday night.

Clarkson's Top Gear co-host James May earlier leapt to the star's defence. May told his 1.4 million Twitter followers: "Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend and many other things, but not a racist. I wouldn't work with one. #ThatIsAll."

Piers Morgan, the former CNN presenter with a long history of feuding with Clarkson, led calls on Twitter for him to be dismissed. He said Clarkson should be "TV toast", and added: "Ron Atkinson was fired by @ITV for using the N-word. Don't see how the BBC can avoid firing @JeremyClarkson if he did the same … In America, he'd be fired by now."

The programme, aired in February 2013, showed Clarkson standing between a Toyota GT86 and a Subaru BRZ and saying: "Both cost the same, they have the same bodies and the same interiors with the same equipment.

"They are even built by the same people in the same factory. You might imagine then that it's quite hard to choose between them, but actually, it isn't. Watch, because this is how you do it."

In the unaired footage – which was later passed to the Mirror – the presenter then recites the children's counting rhyme and appears to use the N-word under his breath before pointing at the Toyota and shrugging: "Toyota it is." The offensive term was removed from the episode, according to the Mirror. In the broadcast version, Clarkson recited the rhyme but this time used the word "teacher".

The allegations come weeks after Top Gear executives expressed regret over a remark made by Clarkson on the show's Burma special, broadcast in March.

During the programme, Clarkson and co-hosts Richard Hammond and James May built a bridge over the river Kwai in Thailand. As an Asian man was seen walking along the bridge, Clarkson said: "That is a proud moment, but there's a slope on it."

The remark prompted a conciliatory statement from the show's executive producer, Andy Wilman, who said the word "might not be widely recognised in the UK" but "we appreciate that it can be considered offensive to some here and overseas for example in Australia and the USA.

"If we had known that at the time we would not have broadcast the word in this context and regret any offence caused."

Clarkson responded to the controversy by tweeting: "I'm not a racist. I am currently sitting in a bar with a man who lives quite near Wales."
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2014, 05:50:57 PM »
Clarkson responded to the controversy by tweeting: "I'm not a racist. I am currently sitting in a bar with a man who lives quite near Wales." :lol mr.raghead

here's the apology

Jeremy Clarkson Begs for Forgiveness Over Slur

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2014, 10:02:32 PM »
Whilst I totally dislike, the, IMO, unbearably smug Jeremy Clarkson, I'm sorry to say he has my sympathy in this case.
TT has started an important thread - the PC World of Britain is just bizarre. (More bizarre UK in Health and Safety excesses.)
Early PC thinking included the removal of Golliwogs from Robertson's Marmalade labels and the banning of such toys. And thereafter in all,  endless and any detail - ad nauseam.
It's apparently OK to have profuse offensive language in life, films and theatre etc. Why ?
Of course, it is never right to gratuitously use words that offend - but if the word is not used as an insult - mai pen lai.
Anyone can call me a 'whitey' - or worse and I promise not to whinge.
Can we keep this thread going and report regularly the never ending PC nonsense that goes on in the UK ?
It's like a constant witch hunt similar to McCarthyism in the USA in the 50's - repulsive.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2014, 07:27:36 AM »
I have always thought of Clarkson as a smug twat, but this is bullshit to the highest degree. The so called racist remark was not aired on TV. He mumbled something that cannot be deciphered and they re shot the scene using the word Teacher by the sounds of it.

Does the Prime Minister really have nothing to do apart from comment on comments not aired on TV?

How can the rag heads get away with publicly saying kill the infidels, isn't this slightly racist? Any comments Dave?
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2014, 01:22:22 PM »
BBC forbidden word is OK for Elvis Costello - dailymail.co.uk

On Oliver’s Army, which has been broadcast in full thousands of times since it was released in 1979, Costello sings ‘One more widow, one less white n----r

Olivers Army Lyrics  from lyricsdepot

Don't start me talking
I could talk all night
My mind goes sleepwalking
While I'm putting the world to right
Called careers information
Have you got yourself an occupation

CHORUS:
Oliver's army is here to stay
Oliver's army are on their way
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today

There was a checkpoint charlie
He didn't crack a smile
But it's no laughing party
When you've been on the murder mile
Only takes one itchy trigger
One more widow, one less white n----r

Elvis Costello ~ Oliver's Army
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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2014, 07:32:36 PM »
Britain as a whole is far from pc. However, there's been a group out to get Clarkson for a while and the Top Gear 'slope' remark seems to have stirred them up. He fronts a great show and I hope that he continues so to do.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2014, 08:38:14 PM »
Hey Saf - nice to see you back !
Amazed that you like the TG show - for me the most offensive part of TG is taking the mickey out of the modest motor cars that most folks try to aspire to and therefore belittling the Folks what's trying so hard !
JC is unbearably smug but if Folks want to watch it - up to them - but I don't care about a nursery rhyme - even less so if not broadcast.
There's a witch hunt for JC - no doubt.
And a witch hunt generally on the PC front.
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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2014, 09:15:30 PM »
He's been put on the spot here - the question - people annoy you - anyone know the answer  ;D


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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2014, 09:43:29 PM »
Thaiga similar vein to the Elvis Costello bit - catching the wrong channel on TV briefly yesterday - a character was calling someone a 'Spaz' which is pretty horrible - even worse than JC methinks.
AND the missing letter below is A  - naggers ?
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2014, 11:39:14 PM »
That's right roger


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The BBC faces having to hand Jeremy Clarkson two separate pay-offs if he leaves over the Top Gear race row, it has emerged as the presenter continued to openly mock his employers.

The presenter is paid around £1 million a year to present the BBC Two motoring show.

But he also has a second seven-figure contract with BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm of the corporation which sells Top Gear abroad and generates income from live shows, DVDs and associated merchandise. The deal runs until September 2015.

telegraph.co.uk
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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2014, 03:01:24 AM »
Thaiga I omitted that the 'Spaz' comment was in a childrens' cartoon feature !
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2014, 12:56:50 PM »
I go with saf  I like him and think he does a great job .

But it seems his troubles are not over - if it's true  - you never know. link below

 “wanting his cake and eating it too”. 

dailystar.co.uk

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2014, 05:41:18 PM »
Hey Saf - nice to see you back !
Amazed that you like the TG show - for me the most offensive part of TG is taking the mickey out of the modest motor cars that most folks try to aspire to and therefore belittling the Folks what's trying so hard !
JC is unbearably smug but if Folks want to watch it - up to them - but I don't care about a nursery rhyme - even less so if not broadcast.
There's a witch hunt for JC - no doubt.
And a witch hunt generally on the PC front.
ATB

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2014, 12:49:34 PM »
 ;D

Guy almost says the "N Word" on Wheel of Fortune
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2014, 10:40:11 AM »
It's become common for Britons to knock their country of birth. After all, we've chosen to live in a country that doesn't know the meaning of the word 'democracy', where the military is ready to take over at any moment, where racial prejudice is legal and the poor are kept poor. Much better than a country where people accept election results, prejudice is illegal, law is enforced, most police don't carry guns and a welfare structure supports the poor, elderly and infirm.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2014, 12:37:48 PM »
Hi Saf, Welome back! You were missed.

All pleasantries aside I must tear into your post as follows:-

The point of my post was that there is a suffocating political correctness afoot in the UK which condemns the use of many good old fashioned English words like the "n" word and all of the deliciously graphic words used to describe homosexuality. Talking of which the only word permitted in that context is "gay" which is a truly Orwellian perversion of the beautiful English language.  At least in Thailand speech is free and you can use the "f" word without fear of being ostracized. I concede that there is an exception when it comes to the Royal Family.

As regards the police please do not forget the innocent Jean Charles de Menezes who was shot dead by the BIB in a south London tube station.

As far as I can recall the Thai military has not invaded Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya in recent years.  Also the Thai military has no desire to possess weapons of mass destruction.

Fortunately Thailand is not encumbered by an enormously expensive welfare system where people are given free houses and are paid for having lots of children. In Thailand personal responsibility has consequences.

Finally there is the question of elections and democracy.  It just remains to be seen how much longer the English people will tolerate the composition of their government being largely determined by a bunch of jocks and taffies who have their own Assemblies.  I think it is only the terrible English weather which is keeping people off the streets.

We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2014, 01:12:05 PM »
Saf it might seem like 'knocking' but the fact is that the UK has massive problems with the entanglements of PC, H&S, Human Rights, and the EU. The UK also has many other major issues to tackle.
As for Thailand, democracy is well understood. At least if the Military do act, they will NOT be invading nations many thousands of miles away and causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. Furthermore, if it comes to it, one hopes a Military takeover will go relatively smoothly and that Thailand will have democracy again as soon as possible.
The UK has had democracy for hundreds of years and still can't get it right.
ATB
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2014, 01:27:33 PM »
Most nations have their problems but condemning one nation as a whole rather than reflecting on individual issues is, to put it gently, not helpful.

What's wrong with H&S Regulations? Do you prefer the Thai standards? What's wrong with the principle of decent human right laws?

The Thai military is not interested in democracy beyond window dressing for investors and foreign governments. Neither is the elite minority clan.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2014, 03:17:59 PM »
Well Saf.
Just so you don't think I'm condemning our Nation out of hand or frivolously - Good things in the UK - Cornwall, Torquay United, Fulham, West End theatres, PM questions in Parliament, Music in Pubs, good Folks, village cricket and football, Working Men's Clubs, a free press, some democracy and free speech, (despite attempts for PC to undermine it).
The objections are specific - Re H & S I'll quote for a start, the 2 'Special Constables' who could not dive into a gravel pool and save a drowning 11 year old because they did not have the right certificate. Other similar incidents. And thousands of other ridiculous events.
Let's keep this thread going - I'll try for my part. No more time for now...
Human Rights - Laws that prevent the return of illegal immigrants who commit crimes in the UK ? (Abu Hamza and ad nauseam).
But you seem freely enough to condemn one Nation .......................................................
And which Nation.
Good to see you back !

 
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2014, 05:19:24 AM »
David Lowe, a Golden Oldies DJ at Radio Devon for 32 years, was sacked for playing a 1930's version of 'The Sun has got his Hat on', which includes the N word apparently.
There was just one complaint, (probably the only listener that noticed), but the BBC sacked him.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2014, 09:01:16 AM »
It's regarded these days s an offensive word and was always used to indicate that the person in question was of lesser status because of his colour. The BBC almost certainly has a rule about the public use of such words.

Foul language on the box can also lead to dismissal or the lack of new contracts. Kenny Everett was sacked for saying, 'Yes, he's a country member'. Julian Cleary disappeared for a while for saying, 'I've just being fisting Norman Lamont' and 'Talk about a red box' on an award show. Lamont was Chancellor at the time.

Words that may be uttered in private are rightly not acceptable in public.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2014, 12:51:42 PM »
Yes I agree that the word is offensive and particularly so in these 'enlightened' days.
But David Lowe never actually used the word - presumably he played a track from the BBC library after all - ONE complaint.
Even Clarkson who I deeply dislike, never actually used the word at all, never mind on air.
I think the charming 'Sun' song and the 'EMMM' nursery rhyme should be accepted being part of a culture of the past and maybe even, to provide a tolerant reminder of past bigotry.
But these days foul language is very much more widely accepted AND broadcast - many USA films seem to have few words that are not 'foul'.
The point about PC Britain is the McCarthy type fanaticism and this IMO is another bigotry, all of it's own.
Have a nice day ..

 

 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2014, 01:22:59 PM »
The complaint against Clarkson is false because he muttered the word inaudibly and the clip was never broadcast. Lowe broadcast a song which contained an offensive word. There must be very many recordings in the library that one with an offensive word might easily be missed. It's up to the presenter to check what he's playing.

Swearing might be common in some circles but the TV and radio channels serve also people who object to foul words, racism and other disrespectful language, as well as serving children.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2014, 01:52:51 PM »
Saf - Like you I am against gratuitous swearing on TV, Radio, Theatre and in public generally, (though in a lifetime working in Factories, I have been known to indulge in the odd cuss from time to time myself).
But the idea that poor old David Lowe at Radio Devon has to listen to all that drivel before playing it on the Radio for us is a bit harsh, to say the least.
LeO calls.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2014, 06:50:26 PM »
As saf commented the complaint against Clarkson is false because he muttered the word inaudibly and the clip was never broadcast - I must say i do feel sorry for David lowe - is this going to far

                                                            Here's a bit more from jc

BBC Sacks DJ For Playing 'The Sun Has Got His Hat On'


BBC DJ ‘forced to quit’ after mistakenly playing song containing the n-word

Popular DJ David Lowe, 68, who has been with the BBC for 32 years, mistakenly played an 82-year-old version of the famous tune The Sun Has Got His Hat On by Ambrose & His Orchestra, which contained the n-word.

given today’s unforgiving obsession with political correctness, He has been compelled to pay the ultimate price. metro.co.uk

                                        "The Sun has Got His Hat On" (Ambrose & his Orchestra, 1932)

"The Sun has Got His Hat On" (Ambrose & his Orchestra, 1932)

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #25 on: May 12, 2014, 07:41:53 AM »
Re David Lowe. He played the record on BBC radio. He didn't say the word. How do rappers of all races get away with saying "negro" (replaced by censor system) in some of their songs. IE actually saying the word, so if a BBC radio presenter plays a record of theirs containing the "negro" (replaced by censor system) word he gets sacked while the rapper gets applause?

Saf, I think you are playing the devils advocate here, naughty boy. Oh no another N word. Suppose I won't get Chris Patten's job in the BBC now.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #26 on: May 12, 2014, 09:23:22 AM »
I heard that Lowe has been reinstated.
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #27 on: May 12, 2014, 01:22:05 PM »
Principles are only any use if they are applied consistently.

The BBC is right to condemn the use of the N-word in general, because all civilised people recognise that it is insulting.

But compare its treatment of Jeremy Clarkson, a walking money-machine with a national TV show, and its behaviour towards David Lowe, a well-liked but powerless local radio presenter.

Both blundered in different ways. Jeremy Clarkson undoubtedly spoke the word but only in an unbroadcast recording. David Lowe negligently but unintentionally aired a track in which the word was sung.

But the star of Top Gear got off with a warning, and had endless opportunities to explain himself; whereas the Radio Devon host was icily encouraged to ‘fall on his sword’ , and denied the opportunity to apologise on air.

Then, when The Mail on Sunday learned of his treatment, the BBC panicked and went into reverse.

The truth is that neither man deliberately used the forbidden word on air with intent to hurt. Of course they did not. Even the most incorrigible bigot would have more sense than to do so after half a century of growing racial harmony and integration.

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2014, 01:48:25 PM »
Yes Saf that's good news that David Lowe has been offered his job back - I wonder if he want's it ?
But IMHO the idea that David Lowe has been negligent in any way in playing that Bert Ambrose classic is completely flawed - it is simply ludicrous to suggest that every song, book, film from the past etc must be reviewed word by word and if it fails the 'test' must be buried out of view and consigned to the bin.
As part of our new PC obsession are we then to expunge all art, music and literature where such words or even imputations may be used and I'd argue that a bit of tolerance might actually be helpful to understanding the easy but wrongful acceptance of such bigotry in the past.
The use of any such words in current 'art' is obviously completely 'out of order', (as they say on EastEnders !).


 
 

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Re: PC Britain
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2014, 01:53:25 PM »
FFF I agree that the racial (is it anti-white?) and violent messages in the world of 'rapping' are deplorable.
Is the word 'negro' ok to use now or has it joined the other 'N' word ? ATB

 

 



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