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Posted by: Roger
« on: May 05, 2015, 09:32:07 AM »

More PC nonsense - a story floated on my screen about GAY males demanding equal rights to become blood donors, despite the inherent HIV risk being statistically 200 times greater.
Now I have seen some nonsense in my time - this just about beats all !
Sorry not sure of the source on this but the core of the matter is as above.
The issue may come from the USA or France - anyone else see it ?
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: April 20, 2015, 02:01:53 PM »

This article in the Guardian has really got me going.  Somebody made a not unreasonable tweet about lesbians and then found himself in a police cell.  Free speech is completely dead in the UK.

Posted by: thaiga
« on: April 08, 2015, 03:15:52 PM »

That i must agree is disgusting using the word gay on a mincer,unless he was "happy" and "carefree".

Not a word MR.PEACOCK would use either.

Are You Being Served? - 03x03 - Up Captain Peacock
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: April 08, 2015, 02:12:22 PM »

Thaiga has been sounding off about the lack of grouch from this quarter so I have decided it is time I went off on one!

A couple of weeks ago a Welsh rugby fan, Edryd James, watched the Six Nations Rugby Final at Twickenham.  Edryd was far from impressed by the performance of the referee, Nigel Owens, a self confessed homosexual.  So Edryd duly made a highly critical Tweet, calling Owens a "gay c*nt".  Not surprisingly the South Wales Police took exception to this disgraceful use of language and sought to take action against Edryd. I am 100% behind South Wales Police in this matter.  The  language used is absolutely terrible and inexcusable  given that many perfectly acceptable options were open to Edryd.  These are just a few of the acceptable options:-

"queer c*nt"
"Homosexual c*nt"
"Sodomising c*nt"

But "g*y c*nt" is completely beyond the pale.

"C*nt" is a good honest Anglo Saxon word with German and Nordic origins which has been been around for centuries.  It is a word which featured a number of times in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales.  It's meaning is clear and unambiguous.

On the other hand "g*y" is a word which until relatively recently meant "happy" and "carefree".  The word was taken up by homosexuals mainly from the 1950s onwards.  This is doubtless after they read George Orwell's 1984 which highlighted the use of words in a completely corrupted way.  So the homosexuals seized upon the word "g*y" to describe their acts which are anything but gay.

Therefore I am looking forward to South Wales Police applying the full weight of Islamic Law to Edryd James.

Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 21, 2015, 01:39:54 PM »

Primary school bans kids from watching solar eclipse for ‘cultural and religious’ reasons

A primary school in West London has admitted to banning children from watching the first solar eclipse of the century because of concerns over “cultural and religious” sensitivities.

Students at North Primary School in Southall were not allowed to view the rare cosmic event outside, but were instead made to watch on TV screens in the classroom.

Ealing Council, the local authority, said each school was responsible for its own policies concerning the eclipse.

Parent Phil Belman, whose 7-year-old daughter goes to the school, accused them of giving in to “superstition.”

Belman said: “This morning I heard for religious and cultural reasons the kids were going to be banned from any part in the eclipse.”

He said he rang the school to demand an explanation from head teacher Ivor Johnstone.

Posted by: jivvy
« on: February 13, 2015, 07:39:56 AM »

PC ???
Posted by: Roger
« on: January 30, 2015, 10:38:31 AM »

Such things are possible in the UK !!!!
An unemployed Father with 26 children by 15 different Mothers has been upgraded to a 5 bedroom house.
He receives £45K pa in benefits.
Personally I think he should have been locked up long ago !
Posted by: Roger
« on: January 17, 2015, 12:17:43 PM »

Hi Dave yes I saw the post. The USA I think led the way with the litigious society and some of the pay offs are quite ludicrous IMO. Now the UK too is bedeviled in this respect.
IMO kids have to be allowed to take some risks but with some eye for safety. Removing diving boards from swimming pools as mentioned, is generally another nonsense.

Posted by: dodgeydave
« on: January 16, 2015, 04:36:18 PM »


You must of missed my post called PC America

Even the Yanks are trying ot get in on the act
Posted by: Roger
« on: January 15, 2015, 08:44:20 PM »

Not Dodgey Dave. Thanks. Bonkers Britain !  () () ()
Posted by: dodgeydave
« on: January 15, 2015, 08:56:18 AM »

How Political Correctness Is Transforming British Education

British teachers are also reluctant to discuss the medieval Crusades, in which Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem: lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

In Cheshire, two students at the Alsager High School were punished by their teacher for refusing to pray to Allah as part of their religious education class.

In Scotland, 30 non-Muslim children from the Parkview Primary School recently were required to visit the Bait ur Rehman Ahmadiyya mosque in the Yorkhill district of Glasgow (videos here and here). At the mosque, the children were instructed to recite the shahada, the Muslim declaration of faith which states: "There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger." Muslims are also demanding that Islamic preachers be sent to every school in Scotland to teach children about Islam, ostensibly in an effort to end negative attitudes about Muslims.

British schools are increasingly dropping the Jewish Holocaust from history lessons to avoid offending Muslim pupils, according to a report entitled, Teaching Emotive and Controversial History, commissioned by the Department for Education and Skills.

British teachers are also reluctant to discuss the medieval Crusades, in which Christians fought Muslim armies for control of Jerusalem: lessons often contradict what is taught in local mosques.

In an effort to counter "Islamophobia" in British schools, teachers now are required to teach "key Muslim contributions such as Algebra and the number zero" in math and science courses, even though the concept of zero originated in India.

In the East London district of Tower Hamlets, four Muslims were recently jailed for attacking a local white teacher who gave religious studies lessons to Muslim girls; and 85 out of 90 schools have implemented "no pork" policies.

Schools across Britain are, in fact, increasingly banning pork from lunch menus to avoid offending Muslim students. Hundreds of schools have adopted a "no pork" policy, according to a recent report by the London-based Daily Telegraph.

The culinary restrictions join a long list of politically correct changes that gradually are bringing hundreds of British primary and secondary education into conformity with Islamic Sharia law.

The London Borough of Haringey, a heavily Muslim district in North London, is the latest school district to switch to a menu that is fully halal (religiously permissible for Muslims).

The Haringey Town Council recently issued "best practice" advice to all schools in its area to "ban all pork products in order to cater for the needs of staff and pupils who are not permitted contact with these for religious reasons."

Local politicians have criticized the new policy as pandering to Muslims, and local farmers, who have pointed out that all schools in Britain already offer vegetarian options, have accused school administrators of depriving non-Muslim children of a choice.

Following an outcry from non-Muslim parents, the town council removed the guidance from its website, although the new policy remains in place.

At the Cypress Junior School, in Croydon, south London, school administrators announced in the school newsletter dated June 1, 2012 that the school has opted for a pork-free menu "as a result of pupil and parental feedback."

The announcement states: "Whilst beef, chicken, turkey and fish will all feature, as well as the daily vegetarian and jacket potato or pasta option, the sausages served will now be chicken rather than pork."

In Luton, an industrial city some 50 kilometers (30 miles) north of London where more than 15% of the population is now Muslim, 23 out of 57 schools have banned pork.

In the City of Bradford, a borough of West Yorkshire in Northern England where there are now twice as many practicing Muslims that there are practicing Anglicans, 24 out of 160 schools have eliminated pork from their menus. In Newham (East London), 25 out of 75 schools have banned pork.

Other pork-free schools include Cranford Park Primary School in Hayes (Middlesex), and Dog Kennel Hill Primary in East Dulwich (South London).

The Borough of Harrow in northwest London was among the first in Britain to encourage halal menus. In 2010, Harrow Council announced plans to ban pork in the borough's 52 state primary schools, following a switch by ten secondary schools to offer halal-only menus.

According to the UK-based National Pig Association, which represents commercial pork producers, "It is disappointing that schools cannot be sufficiently organized to give children a choice of meat. Sausages and roast pork are staples of a British diet and children enjoy eating them. If products can be labeled with warnings that they contain nuts and vegetarian dishes can be made and kept separate from meat dishes, [we] don't see why the same can't apply to pork."

Lunch menus are not the only area in which "cultural sensitivity" is escalating in British schools.

In West Yorkshire, the Park Road Junior Infant and Nursery School in Batley has banned stories featuring pigs, including "The Three Little Pigs," in case they offend Muslim children.

In Nottingham, the Greenwood Primary School cancelled a Christmas nativity play; it interfered with the Muslim festival of Eid al-Adha. In Scarborough, the Yorkshire Coast College removed the words Christmas and Easter from their calendar not to offend Muslims.

Also in Cheshire, a 14-year-old Roman Catholic girl who attends Ellesmere Port Catholic High School was branded a truant by teachers for refusing to dress like a Muslim and visit a mosque.

In Stoke-on-Trent, schools have been ordered to rearrange exams, cancel swimming lessons and stop sex education during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan. In Norwich, the Knowland Grove Community First School has axed the traditional Christmas play to "look at some of the other great cultural festivals of the world."

Meanwhile, the politically correct ban on pigs in Britain also extends to toys for children. A toy farm set called HappyLand Goosefeather Farm recently removed pigs in order to avoid offending Muslims.

The pig removal came to public attention after a British mother bought the toy as a present for her daughter's first birthday. Although the set contained a model of a cow, sheep, chicken, horse and dog, there was no pig, despite there being a sty and a button which generated an "oink" sound.

After the mother complained, the Early Learning Centre (ELC), which manufactures the toy, responded: "Previously the pig was part of the Goosefeather Farm. However due to customer feedback and religious reasons this is no longer part of the farm."

After a public outcry, however, ELC later reversed its decision: "We recognize that pigs are familiar farm animals, especially for our UK customers. We have taken the decision to reinstate the pig and to no longer sell the set in international markets where it might create an issue."
Posted by: Roger
« on: January 14, 2015, 01:08:17 PM »

TT. OMG. Bizarre !  () ()
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: January 14, 2015, 09:18:26 AM »

There is an interesting article today in the paper we are not supposed to read.  The Oxford University Press has decided to ban any references to pigs or pork in children's books lest offence is given to Muslims and Jews.
Posted by: Roger
« on: December 21, 2014, 09:18:59 AM »

Dodgey D - thanks for posting that - I missed it last time but DEFINITELY worth the long read.
Absolutely appalling.
PC Britain needs to wake up !
Posted by: dodgeydave
« on: December 20, 2014, 12:52:28 PM »

An old post but worth reading

Britain Ruled by Political Correctness

Nine Muslim men were found guilty of raping dozens of British children. The three month trial revealed that police and social workers had repeatedly refused to investigate; they were afraid of being called racist.

A three-month trial that recently ended in Liverpool, where nine Muslim men were found guilty of raping dozens of British children, revealed that police and social workers in northern England repeatedly refuse to investigate Muslim paedophile gangs: they said they are afraid of being called racist.

The disturbing details that emerged during the trial have opened yet another chapter in a long-running debate about multiculturalism in Britain, where many say that political correctness has gone too far.

Less than a month after the trial in Liverpool ended on May 9, it emerged that social workers in the City of Rotherham, also in northern England, had known for six years that a teenage mother (identified as Child S) who was murdered for bringing shame on the families of two Pakistani men who had used her for sex, was at clear risk from predatory Muslim gangs.

On May 29, Rotherham Council's Safeguarding Children Board published a so-called Serious Case Review, but key politically incorrect passages which reveal that they had known she was at particular risk from "Asian men" (Muslim men) were blocked out with black lines.

The council went to court in an attempt to suppress the hidden information after an uncensored copy of the report was leaked to a British newspaper, but the legal action was eventually abandoned. The uncensored report confirmed that Child S had pursued dealings with 15 different agencies, and identified "numerous missed opportunities" to protect her; observers believe the agencies failed to do so because they did not want to be branded as racist.

Other cases of political correctness abound in Britain, where the enforcement of multiculturalism is endangering the exercise of free speech, threatening public order and undermining British culture.

In Leicester, a gang of Somali Muslim women, who assaulted and nearly killed a non-Muslim passer-by in the city center, walked free after a politically correct judge decided that as Muslims, the women were "not used to being drunk."

In London, two Muslims, who laughed as they repeatedly raped a 24-year-old woman, had their sentences slashed after politically correct judges at an appeals court ruled that the men were not "dangerous."

In Wiltshire, police pulled over an 18-year-old driver for a routine spot check. The driver was stunned when a police officer ordered him to remove the Flag of England from his car; apparently they said the flag could be deemed racist and offensive to Muslim immigrants. The driver thought the officer was joking until he was threatened with a £30 fine if he refused to remove it from view. Tory MP Philip Davies, who campaigns against political correctness, said: "How on earth can it be racist to fly your own flag in your own country?"

In Southampton, a racism row broke out after taxi passengers complained that foreign drivers could not understand English. A group of drivers responded by placing stickers in their taxis with the Flag of England, reading "English Speaking Driver" (photo here). The signs, however, were branded as "racist and offensive" by Town Hall officials, who threatened to strip the drivers of their operating license -- and their livelihood -- if they refused to remove them.

In Manchester, a 14-year-old girl was arrested by police for racism after refusing to sit with a group of five Asian students who did not speak English. The incident happened after the girl asked her teacher if she could switch groups because the Asian students were talking in Urdu, a language she did not understand. The teacher apparently responded by shouting at her, "It's racist, you're going to get done by the police." After being fingerprinted and photographed, the girl was forced to spend three-and-a-half hours in a police cell on suspicion of committing a "section five racial public order offense."

In Irlam, Greater Manchester, a ten-year-old boy was brought before a court for allegedly calling an 11-year-old mixed-race pupil a "Paki" and "Bin Laden" in a playground argument at a primary school. When the case came before District Judge Jonathan Finestein, he said: "Have we really got to the stage where we are prosecuting 10-year-old boys because of political correctness? There are major crimes out there and the police don't bother to prosecute." Finestein also said the decision to prosecute, which cost taxpayers £25,000 in legal fees, showed "how stupid the whole system is getting."

In London, social workers have been accused of "misguided political correctness" after they considered sending a boy in their care to the Democratic Republic of Congo for an exorcism. Officials at Islington Council in north London considered sending the African boy to the Congo when his mother claimed he was possessed by evil spirits and needed "deliverance." City officials paid Dr. Richard Hoskins, an expert in African religion, over £4,000 to travel to Africa to investigate the possibility of an exorcism; evidently they were worried the family's "sensibilities might be affected." Hoskins completed the trip and advised the council against have the boy exorcised because the rituals can be "violent...deeply disturbing and traumatizing."

In Kent, a Christian doctor is fighting for his job after he told a suicidal patient that Christianity may offer help. According to the doctor, "The man was depressed, and had left his own faith. So I told him, 'You may find that Christianity offers you something that your own faith did not.'" The General Medical Council (GMC), which regulates standards among medical professionals, issued the doctor a warning, claiming he had "overstepped the line." The GMC, which allows doctors to promote the healing effects of homoeopathy, chiropractic and reiki, also known as palm healing -- all of which are unsupported by Western, evidence-based medicine but are backed by belief systems -- has banned the mention of faith and prayer in a consultation.

The British Navy, which has been forced to downsize its fleet due to military budget cuts, was obliged by diktats of political correctness to install a special Satanist chapel onboard one of its warships to accommodate the religious requirements of a Satanist crewman.

In London, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) -- a key promoter of multiculturalism -- recently announced that it would drop the terms BC (Before Christ) and AD (which translates from the Latin "Anno Domini" to " in the year of our Lord") and replaced them with the "religiously-neutral" Before the Common Era, BCE, and Common Era, CE. The BBC justified its move this way: "As the BBC is committed to impartiality it is appropriate that we use terms that do not offend or alienate non-Christians."

Anglican Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, who resigned as the Bishop of Rochester amid death threats from Muslim extremists in Britain, says the BBC's move "amounts to the dumbing down of the Christian basis of our culture, language and history."

The BBC has also refused to broadcast a screenplay about the threat that Islam poses to freedom of speech. The BBC's director general, Mark Thompson, said he would not air a play the National Theatre called "Can We Talk About This?" which examines multiculturalism and how it has resulted in Britain being more divided than ever.

According to Thompson, there is "a growing nervousness about discussion about Islam." He also claims that because Muslims are a religious minority in Britain, their faith should be given different coverage than that of more established groups.

In 2005, Thompson famously ordered BBC Two to air an anti-Christian musical called "Jerry Springer: The Opera," which mocked God and presented Jesus Christ as a homosexual. At least 45,000 people contacted the BBC to complain about the show, which contained an estimated 8,000 obscenities. According to one observer: "If this show portrayed Mohammed or Vishnu as homosexual, ridiculous and ineffectual, it would never have seen the light of day."

Soeren Kern is Senior Fellow for European Politics at the Madrid-based Grupo de Estudios Estratégicos / Strategic Studies Group. Follow him on Facebook.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: December 16, 2014, 08:26:21 PM »

Yes Roger, quite right. Your word is blocked by the PC Koratfart software but at least Niggaz is not blocked.  It is so depressing to see the perjorative words heaped on people who do not hold "right on" views:-

You are critical of the Israeli government:- You are anti-Semitic
You do not like homosexuality:- You are homophobic
You are opposed to uncontrolled immigration:- You are racist

I am proud to be guilty of all the above.
Posted by: Roger
« on: December 16, 2014, 02:25:19 AM »

My reply 76 yesterday.
Emphasising that I don't approve of the use of the word, BUT, Guy Gibson's dog in the Dambusters, was actually called N i g g e r. I posted that truthfully and historically correctly.
The system altered that to Negro.
IMO it is important to have historical accuracy, to know how things were.
If we are to learn.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: December 15, 2014, 07:43:48 PM »

could always use yellow snow ;) for the snowman, urhh!

Watch out, Dawn! Don't eat the yellow snow!

Frank Zappa Don't Eat The Yellow Snow
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: December 15, 2014, 05:22:03 PM »

Dawn, I am surprised you did not object to "snowman". This is clearly sexist and all references should immediately be changed to "snow person".  And as for Father Christmas he is clearly beyond the pale.  As a father he is almost certainly homophobic and his title must be changed to"civil partnershipped person of Christmas". 
Posted by: dawn
« on: December 15, 2014, 05:13:08 PM »

could always use yellow snow ;) for the snowman, urhh!
Posted by: Roger
« on: December 15, 2014, 04:36:04 PM »

Good point TT. Bad Snowman !
Even worse than that, apparently the legendary Wing Commander Guy Gibson of Dambusters fame, named his Dog - '"negro" (replaced by censor system)'. Shame on him. As the name is also used in the film, should the film be banned ?
From the script just now, a Fellow Officer says to Gibson who is having a beer in the Mess, 'I found "negro" (replaced by censor system) outside, can I get him a beer. Reply, 'Oh yes, as long as it's just one'.
Another reason (cruelty to animals) for this scurrilous film to be banned asap.
I'll finish watching it first though...............
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: December 15, 2014, 03:35:16 PM »

Thaiga, the white snowman is clearly racist. You are excluding all persons of colour.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: December 15, 2014, 01:52:14 PM »

Are we OK with the white snowman

Posted by: Roger
« on: December 15, 2014, 01:39:59 PM »

Reminded of TT's first words on this thread - to the effect that 'it is amazing what will offend UK sensibilities these days'. An understatement. The UK is PC bonkers and run by overpaid Jobsworths !

Apparently, Stoke on Trent and a number of other Local Authorities, have changed the wording of CHRISTMAS celebrations to give matters a SEASONAL accent - not wishing to mention the word 'Christ' at all, for fear of offending other religions - Muslims I guess. This is just bloody bizarre !

Other religions are welcomed by most UK citizens with an open spirit, to our Society which has a clear Christian history. Could we imagine Muslims refraining from references to Muhammad or say the Koran at times of muslim festivals and would Christians be offended anyway ?

Nonsense. Just nonsense ! These PC maniacs need a rewire IMHO !
Posted by: Roger
« on: November 24, 2014, 08:41:00 PM »

Well Dawn thanks for the reply.
As you say - ALL in the best possible taste ! Not. Sordid and I'm sure this never happens in Thailand.
However, the fact should not be ignored that shortly before the events you mention, Mr Evans was feeding chips to seagulls on the sea front. Sad all round.
You are spot on with the Stanley Matthews comment.
Have a look at the 'defence' website if you have time.
Innocent until proven guilty ?
I wonder. ATB
Posted by: dawn
« on: November 23, 2014, 12:48:50 PM »

OOOH! a lady you have a way with words. ;) haven't read much about it roger,but sounds a bit sordid,or a good night out gone wrong.

He had served half of a five-year jail sentence for raping a woman in a hotel room in Rhyl in 2011.
The court heard that Mr McDonald met the woman and took her back to the hotel room, sending a text to Evans stating he had "got a bird".
During Evans' evidence, he told the jury he had gone to the hotel, let himself in to Mr McDonald's room and watched his friend and the woman having "associate" of the footballers, and Ryan Roberts, Evans' brother, watched through a window.

footballers today think they are some sort of god,money and fame goes to their head.(or there pants)

Posted by: Roger
« on: November 23, 2014, 09:55:50 AM »

Hello Dawn and it would be good to hear the views of a Lady on all this - not many Ladies on KF !
I've had a look at the websites about the Ched Evans case and it looks to me to have been a very harsh conviction.
IMO the behaviour of CE (and Donaldson his friend) was pretty 'laddish' and sordid but not rape.
But the bullies in the media and twitter, must have their fun.
If you have time I'd welcome your views.

Posted by: Roger
« on: November 21, 2014, 07:23:13 PM »

Today Ched Evans is being referred to regularly on TV in a gratuitous manner as a 'convicted rapist' - the monstrous Charlie Webster ex-patron of Sheffield United and by chance a Sky TV reporter, seems in charge of a vindictive winding up process.
This is out and out bullying IMO. Even the PM has weighed in with his support - I'd rather he and the other Leaders supported some forgiveness and despised this trend of public flogging !
Criticism of Evans for not apologising to the victim might be - because he still claims he is innocent.
Dave Whelan and Malky MacKay from the football world also targeted today and a Shadow Minister has been
forced to resign after a 'tweet'.
It is just amazing and appalling. PC Britain in a frenzy of sanctimonious and self-righteous fury !
Just suppose the Lad were to hurt himself as a result of all this pressure - will that appease the bullies ?
Posted by: Roger
« on: November 21, 2014, 06:20:52 AM »

Well I see the PC lynch mobs have had their way with Mr Evans.
(The unfortunate Judy Finnegan unwittingly brought this topic to the fore, herself being attacked when she described the Ched Evans rape as being 'not violent'. Rape in itself is always an act of violence of course but JF was pointing out that there was no accompanying 'assault and battery' and that IS a relevant point about the offence).
Ched Evans is still claiming to be innocent and is trying to bring another appeal - he has therefore not issued an apology to the 'victim', again to the ire of the mob.
Sheffield United have caved in and will not allow Ched Evans even to train and it seems he will not be playing again, for them at least. Shame on them - what a gutless reaction. It seems no one can stand up to the mob.
The Man has been convicted and has served his sentence - what about the important quality of forgiveness? I note again that another young Footballer who killed two young boys in a disgraceful drink driving incident, is playing (and captaining) his previous Club after serving his sentence - they're made of stronger stuff in Plymouth obviously.
Media hype, 24 hour coverage and social media feed this hysteria.
Those who wish to 'bully' a point know how to feed the mob.

Posted by: thaiga
« on: November 11, 2014, 03:11:47 PM »

I've heard children must be accompanied by adults, but adults must be accompanied by children. :uhm

Matthew Richards (pictured), 54, from High Littleton, Somerset, was turned away from Puxton Park by bosses despite visiting the centre just days earlier with his three grandchildren.
Posted by: Roger
« on: November 11, 2014, 02:38:32 PM »

Yahoo reports that Puxton Park, Somerset has apparently all banned single men and women from entry to their leisure park, on the grounds that they might be paedophiles. Absolutely shocking. Mooted that this is in common with other parks.
IMO this is shameful and suggests all singles are suspected of being paedophiles !! I hope this imposition is challenged in the Courts.
The PC bonkers brigade would be better directing their attention to the administration of childcare in Rotherham and many other places........
Posted by: Roger
« on: October 19, 2014, 05:34:51 PM »

Good news. The Govt. have said that they are going to bring in measures to address 'baying cyber mobs' and cyber abuse such as that received by the Finnigan family.. (Thaiga's post).
I watched the Lady responsible for the Ched Evans petition talk about her mission - she puts a plausible though IMO flawed case - but it's just inappropriate to tolerate 'cyber lynching'. Crimes and punishment need to be regulated by the Law alone.
As an aside, Evans now apologises but maintains his innocence. Legal moves to fast-track an examination of the possibility of a mis-trial are under way.
Posted by: Roger
« on: October 18, 2014, 07:59:20 AM »

Great post CK. Right now a Matthew Syed, is chatting on Sky News - he comes over as very balanced and thoughtful - he comments about Twitter/Social Media as being a new form of 'mob rule'. Britain is SO PC now that there are SO many opportunities to whip up mob rule in this slightly hysterical manner.

(As an aside Ched Evans has been criticised widely throughout for failing to show remorse. He explains that, by saying he was wrongly convicted. He was convicted apparently, on the grounds that the Lady was too drunk, in the Hotel Room, to have given valid consent. Undeniably a difficult scenario to judge IMO).

And the lynch mob has now topped 160,000 !

Posted by: coolkorat
« on: October 17, 2014, 04:52:04 PM »

I think the reaction to what Judy Finnigan said was unbelievable: she was not making any excuses for him, merely asking how society should react when an individual has been through the due process of law (and had to acknowledge and accept their crime) and released. If this individual had not been 'famous' this would not even be a debate. She has been unfairly criticised for asking a reasonable question.

This guy does not seem to be a serial criminal. He committed a crime and has been punished. He will live with this for the rest of his life. The chance of him repeating this is minimal. How many people have been killed by mentally-ill individuals released into society because 'human rights' say they should be? How many serial offenders are identified as a risk but released? Where is the line drawn? Will the critics only be happy if he commits ritual suicide in some public space, and then consider it 'job done'? (I should clarify: I fully agree that the crime he committed was truly criminal and deserving of the punishment in law the judge saw fit to apply. His guilt was proved, and he was sentenced. I am NOT defending this individual: I am defending how society treats offenders who have served their proscribed punishment and are therefore rehabilitated into society).

On the point regarding disability: Thailand already requires companies with 'x' number employees to employ 'y' disabled people: you pay a fine if you don't. We have an excellent Health and Safety person (disabled) working for us. But we would struggle to employ anyone with severe mental/ physical issues given we operate fast machinery. I think this may have been the point the minister wanted to make: you need to balance opportunity with suitability. Marks & Spencer have an excellent record on this, and all credit to them.
Posted by: Roger
« on: October 17, 2014, 01:44:07 PM »

RAPE - lynch mobs at the ready again. Ched Evans the footballer has just paid his price to Society by serving half his 5 year sentence for raping a 19 year old Lady in a Hotel room - evidently apart from the rape, there was no additional violence - that is not to excuse the crime, merely to report the point. (Judy Finnegan commented on this). Apparently 150,000 people have signed a petition that Mr Evans should not be allowed to play professional soccer again.
IMHO that is completely wrong. He has paid the price for his crime and will have to live with the stigma of his behaviour forever.
There is another footballer who killed 2 young boys while driving in a seriously drunken state - he has served his prison sentence and I believe he now captains his previous Club.
Social media facilitates hysteria over these matters and IMO it is a phenomenum that is undemocratic and unpleasant.

Posted by: Roger
« on: October 17, 2014, 05:49:21 AM »

OK Thaiga thanks.
I suspect that when the Minister used the words, 'not worth', the context might have been, that that the work that could be done, is sometimes not enough to generate the 'revenue', to pay those wages at Minimum rate. IMO it's best for the State to support Companies in this respect, so that disabled people can get work.
The PC squads are unforgiving and with 24 hour rolling news in the media everywhere and social media running riot, putting a foot in it becomes almost unavoidable. Also IMO there's a bullying undertone to this phenomenum. ATB
Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 17, 2014, 12:19:57 AM »

ROGER i meant nasty words from the tory minister for welfare reform in my post not you my friend

Yes i remember remploy  :cheers
Posted by: Roger
« on: October 16, 2014, 09:45:48 PM »

Thaiga that's just not reasonable to describe my words as nasty ....
Please explain what you mean.
'At least minimum wage for the handicapped. Of course that's a great idea'. I'm saying it is a great idea which needs to be supported by the State - otherwise Companies employing handicapped people who for no fault of their own, are sometimes unable to produce as efficiently as others, are competitively disadvantaged and the jobs don't last very long
I think the demise of 'Remploy' and similar organisations is a scandal. I'm on 'their' side, how could you think otherwise ?

Posted by: thaiga
« on: October 16, 2014, 08:50:29 PM »

At least MINIMUM wage for the handicapped. Of course that is a great idea.

Nasty words

A British government minister has been forced to apologise after he said that some disabled people were "not worth" the country's minimum wage and some could be paid less than a third of the rate.

David Freud, the Tory minister for welfare reform, on Wednesday made a "full and unreserved apology" after it was revealed he made the comments during a meeting on the fringes of the Conservative Party's conference last month.
Posted by: Roger
« on: October 16, 2014, 08:30:42 PM »

RAPE. Poor Judy Finnegan is being given a hard time by the PC squads. Describing a footballer's rape offence as 'not violent' she has been crucified in the media with the PC squad in full cry (and the trolls also attacking even her Daughter).
Rape is obviously ALWAYS a violent act but it is sometimes also part of other abhorrent general violence.
That's where she was coming from - who could think otherwise ? Never mind - lynch mobs at the ready !

At least MINIMUM wage for the handicapped. Of course that is a great idea. But if the handicapped person is working for a private Company without state support then the reward they can have is dependent on someone buying the product they contribute to at a competitive price blah blah. The poor Minister is under a deluge of attack.

EBOLA - of course we must be seen to do something. Ridiculous attempts to control it at UK Immigration are doomed  - entry is chaotic without Ebola screening.. What frightens me is that Nigeria declares it is free of Ebola and is being looked at as a model example. I love Nigeria and know it and I think we will hear more about their success ? Ebola is just a nightmare problem.
Screening at LHR Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

G'night all.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: June 20, 2014, 03:35:13 PM »

What a f in sauce

Tourism minister Helen Grant has been branded "appalling" by people caught up in the passports row after she suggested they should consider holidaying in the UK.
Posted by: Roger
« on: June 20, 2014, 05:54:36 AM »

In PC Britain, ridden with PC and bureaucracy from all directions, reality at the Passport Office seems to be in short supply.
Some highly paid Jobsworths on amazing salaries and conditions, can't see the nose on their face.
The current backlog of Passport applications is an absolute managerial scandal - supportive action should have been in place the moment the problem started to emerge, (if not before).
A stunning failure to manage something quite simple - just pushing paper basically.
Reassuringly, I understand that Paul Pugh, Chief Executive at the Passport Office, apparently brushed off suggestions that he should resign as he wants to help sort it out - laughable - if he was the right Guy to sort it out, it wouldn't have happened. He should have been sacked IMO.
Further, doesn't Theresa May the Home Secretary, monitor and try to manage what is happening in key areas, in her Departments ???
IMO this is a scandal, our Passports are a basic Human Right not to be fooled with !

Posted by: Roger
« on: May 26, 2014, 10:41:05 AM »

Saf - what I quoted was the core of the story - and the source.
Although the DM is a a bit lurid sometimes, their website is the most comprehensive and user friendly FOC I have found and I like to scan it to keep in touch with things at home. I look at the DT too but it only allows access to 10 articles a month FOC and is nowhere near as comprehensive as the DM.
Posted by: sicho
« on: May 26, 2014, 09:51:07 AM »

So SAF, do you actually have anything to say on this subject ? When you do, it does make great reading. I'll just say to you - UK is ridden with PC/EU/Human Rights/H&S pure nonsense. If you don't agree that's your right. But no need to take the Pass.
If you want a link post it from the DM yourself.
Or I will come over for a lesson to link and then it might quench this 'drama'.
But are you ok ? There is no need to be strange.
What do you think ? - Never mind a link !
Thaiga - what do you think ? LOL.

Roger, I may have something to say after I read the same source as you. It helps readers when you selectively quote from a story in newspaper that itself is selective and manipulative with facts. I don't mind at all reading a DM article but its not a publication that I wish to search through.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 25, 2014, 04:46:53 PM »

Thaiga - post recommended !
(No good being technical with me !)
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 25, 2014, 04:40:43 PM »

Click on the  "LOL" above that is the missing link

pic @Unnamedinsider
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 25, 2014, 03:50:10 PM »

So SAF, do you actually have anything to say on this subject ? When you do, it does make great reading. I'll just say to you - UK is ridden with PC/EU/Human Rights/H&S pure nonsense. If you don't agree that's your right. But no need to take the Pass.
If you want a link post it from the DM yourself.
Or I will come over for a lesson to link and then it might quench this 'drama'.
But are you ok ? There is no need to be strange.
What do you think ? - Never mind a link !
Thaiga - what do you think ? LOL.

Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 25, 2014, 11:44:17 AM »

Posted by: sicho
« on: May 25, 2014, 11:26:56 AM »

Link, please, Roger.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 25, 2014, 10:50:08 AM »

On the Daily Mail website today - a censorship row at the BBC - a male reporter commented that he had been 'thrown by a 19 year old GIRL' in a judo bout. The word 'GIRL' had to be cut as it was deemed to be sexist. Cobblers.
Posted by: sicho
« on: May 25, 2014, 08:24:10 AM »

Hansa family - It seems that it is the law that should be questioned rather than Clegg.

Funeral - The school admitted a mistake was made and the girl went to the funeral anyway.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 24, 2014, 11:59:11 PM »

Or even a link roger - By hook or by crook

Nick Clegg has sparked outrage by defending the taxpayer-funded £1.25million house lived in by hate preacher Abu Hamza’s family.

The Deputy Prime Minister rejected demands to cut benefits for the hook-handed cleric’s wife and children after he was convicted of 11 terror offences in the U.S.

The firebrand – who for years spouted evil on Britain’s streets – is expected to die behind bars after a jury in New York found him guilty of aiding the kidnapping of hostages in Yemen in which three Britons were killed and trying to set up an Al Qaeda training camp in Oregon.

School bans 10-year-old girl from going to her grandfather's funeral AND threaten her parents with a £1,000 fine if she goes anyway
Posted by: sicho
« on: May 24, 2014, 09:01:43 PM »

Sources, please, Roger.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 24, 2014, 08:13:13 PM »

Trying hard to ignore the fact now emerging, that the Family of Abu Hamza are still being supported by British taxpayers, probably for the 'rest' of their lives, in relative luxury, after his long overdue extradition and then conviction for murderous offences (in the USA).
NEXT - a school has banned a Girl, 10 years old, from attending her Grandfather's funeral with a fine of £1000 threatened. As a Son of 2 teachers, I nevertheless say they should get on with some teaching - instead of appointing themselves to restructure society.
It is just madness !

Posted by: jivvy
« on: May 18, 2014, 01:58:30 PM »

old advert now politically incorrect
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 16, 2014, 01:45:11 PM »

Yes i read that link is here:

How teachers are addressed around the world

Australia: Mr, Mrs, Miss or Ms + surname

China: surname + Lao-shi (meaning Teacher)

France: Monsieur (male) or Madame (female)

Germany: Herr (male) or Frau (female) + Professor/surname

India: Teacher, Madam or Sir

Japan: surname + Sensei (meaning Teacher) or sometimes just Sensei

Korea: full name + Seon-saeng-nim (meaning Teacher) or school subject + Seon-saeng-nim, or sometimes just Seon-saeng-nim

Mexico: Miss + name if female, or Professor + name if male

Pakistan: Miss or Sir, often appended to the first name or surname

Russia: first name and patronymic

Spain: first name, or Seño (an abbreviation from Señorita = Miss) for women, and Profe (an abbreviation from Profesor = Teacher) for men

Sweden: first names

US: Mr, Mrs, Miss or Ms + surname
Posted by: falangforfun
« on: May 16, 2014, 07:41:00 AM »

Thank you Johnnie F for the explanation.

I saw the article about Miss and sir in the Daily Mail.

I think it would be a good idea for the BBC to set up a new channel listing the current day's banned words. Oh, but if they are banned how can they list them, ummmm? Back to the drawing board.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 14, 2014, 07:11:50 PM »

Hi Saf sorry for late reply. Yes it was quite a long item on Sky News very early this morning.
Yes Thaiga we would all agree with that definition but in terms of common parlance in School, Miss has been ok for a very very long time - 60 years or more ?
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 14, 2014, 01:18:50 PM »

"madam" tends to only be used when addressing the elderly, with "ma'am" being used for a younger woman.

Miss is an English language honorific traditionally used only for an unmarried woman  Wiki

Posted by: sicho
« on: May 14, 2014, 09:50:11 AM »

Do you have a source for that, Roger?
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 14, 2014, 09:17:13 AM »

Hello FFF. On a lighter note, apparently there are moves afoot for Kids in School in the UK to change to calling female teachers 'Madam' instead of 'Miss'. Mooted that as the male teacher is 'Sir', 'Miss' is demeaning to the female teacher. One can see the point but everyone has been content with 'Miss' for long enough. PC Britain .....
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: May 14, 2014, 09:03:02 AM »

My last post was edited again. Admin, why are you doing this?

The moderation log does not show that your posts have been edited. Neither me nor a moderator has edited your posts. You have posted with that content. Like most forums, this forum does have a swearword filter that is set to automatically modify certain words before posting. In a thread about using swearwords it appears obvious to me that you fell prey to that.  :)

If you are not sure about the content of your posts passing by the swearword filter unmodified, please preview your contribution before posting. Or edit (change spelling) or delete your post within the courtesy edit wait time. The maximum time after posting to allow edit is set to 15 minutes.

Mother's Finest - Niggizz can't sang rock'n'roll (1976)
Posted by: falangforfun
« on: May 14, 2014, 07:15:47 AM »

My last post was edited again. Admin, why are you doing this?
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 13, 2014, 02:28:25 PM »

Thanks FFF - it's hard to keep up with this PC storm sometimes but 'negro' still ok then and why not ? ATB
Posted by: falangforfun
« on: May 13, 2014, 08:38:01 AM »

I actually used the word "negro" (replaced by censor system) as per the nursery rhyme and the song, but it was edited to negro for some unknown and childish reason.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 12, 2014, 08:56:08 PM »

Moving on or moving back an article in the dailymail 9 December 2013

Arrested because he joked about Mandela

Police hold shopkeeper for eight hours, take his DNA and seize his computer - after local councillor objects to off-colour internet comments

In one online post, the 44-year-old wrote: 'My PC takes so long to shut down I’ve decided to call it Nelson Mandela.'

A sandwich shop owner endured eight hours of questioning by police and had his computer seized for three weeks – after making tasteless Nelson Mandela jokes on the internet.

Neil Phillips, who runs Crumbs in Rugeley, Staffordshire, says he was also finger-printed and DNA-swabbed after officers received complaints about what he insists were harmless gags.

In one online post, the 44-year-old wrote: 'My PC takes so long to shut down I’ve decided to call it Nelson Mandela.'

Mandela, the former South African leader, and Nobel Peace Prize recipient, died on Thursday, aged 95.

Mr Phillips was arrested at his home on September 10 and was taken to a police station where he was quizzed about the postings on the Rugeley Soap Box website.

He said: 'It was an awful experience. I was fingerprinted, they took DNA and my computer.

Arrested, Photographed, Fingerprinted, DNA swabbed, Locked Up and Interrogated—for a Joke

Wonder how bernard manning is getting on.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 12, 2014, 03:59:00 PM »

just another boob for the beeb

the situation could have been handled better, yes he was offered his job back.

He said a health problem which caused tremors in his limbs had been exacerbated by the "stress" and he would not be returning to the corporation.

His first error in more than 30 years of broadcasting. Good luck and health david lowe.

                                  Just luv this clip of saucy seaside postcards brings back some memories

Great British Saucy Humorous Seaside Postcards
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 12, 2014, 01:53:25 PM »

FFF I agree that the racial (is it anti-white?) and violent messages in the world of 'rapping' are deplorable.
Is the word 'negro' ok to use now or has it joined the other 'N' word ? ATB

Posted by: Roger
« on: May 12, 2014, 01:48:25 PM »

Yes Saf that's good news that David Lowe has been offered his job back - I wonder if he want's it ?
But IMHO the idea that David Lowe has been negligent in any way in playing that Bert Ambrose classic is completely flawed - it is simply ludicrous to suggest that every song, book, film from the past etc must be reviewed word by word and if it fails the 'test' must be buried out of view and consigned to the bin.
As part of our new PC obsession are we then to expunge all art, music and literature where such words or even imputations may be used and I'd argue that a bit of tolerance might actually be helpful to understanding the easy but wrongful acceptance of such bigotry in the past.
The use of any such words in current 'art' is obviously completely 'out of order', (as they say on EastEnders !).

Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 12, 2014, 01:22:05 PM »

Principles are only any use if they are applied consistently.

The BBC is right to condemn the use of the N-word in general, because all civilised people recognise that it is insulting.

But compare its treatment of Jeremy Clarkson, a walking money-machine with a national TV show, and its behaviour towards David Lowe, a well-liked but powerless local radio presenter.

Both blundered in different ways. Jeremy Clarkson undoubtedly spoke the word but only in an unbroadcast recording. David Lowe negligently but unintentionally aired a track in which the word was sung.

But the star of Top Gear got off with a warning, and had endless opportunities to explain himself; whereas the Radio Devon host was icily encouraged to ‘fall on his sword’ , and denied the opportunity to apologise on air.

Then, when The Mail on Sunday learned of his treatment, the BBC panicked and went into reverse.

The truth is that neither man deliberately used the forbidden word on air with intent to hurt. Of course they did not. Even the most incorrigible bigot would have more sense than to do so after half a century of growing racial harmony and integration.
Posted by: sicho
« on: May 12, 2014, 09:23:22 AM »

I heard that Lowe has been reinstated.
Posted by: falangforfun
« on: May 12, 2014, 07:41:53 AM »

Re David Lowe. He played the record on BBC radio. He didn't say the word. How do rappers of all races get away with saying "negro" (replaced by censor system) in some of their songs. IE actually saying the word, so if a BBC radio presenter plays a record of theirs containing the "negro" (replaced by censor system) word he gets sacked while the rapper gets applause?

Saf, I think you are playing the devils advocate here, naughty boy. Oh no another N word. Suppose I won't get Chris Patten's job in the BBC now.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 11, 2014, 06:50:26 PM »

As saf commented the complaint against Clarkson is false because he muttered the word inaudibly and the clip was never broadcast - I must say i do feel sorry for David lowe - is this going to far

                                                            Here's a bit more from jc

BBC Sacks DJ For Playing 'The Sun Has Got His Hat On'

BBC DJ ‘forced to quit’ after mistakenly playing song containing the n-word

Popular DJ David Lowe, 68, who has been with the BBC for 32 years, mistakenly played an 82-year-old version of the famous tune The Sun Has Got His Hat On by Ambrose & His Orchestra, which contained the n-word.

given today’s unforgiving obsession with political correctness, He has been compelled to pay the ultimate price.

                                        "The Sun has Got His Hat On" (Ambrose & his Orchestra, 1932)

"The Sun has Got His Hat On" (Ambrose & his Orchestra, 1932)
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 11, 2014, 01:52:51 PM »

Saf - Like you I am against gratuitous swearing on TV, Radio, Theatre and in public generally, (though in a lifetime working in Factories, I have been known to indulge in the odd cuss from time to time myself).
But the idea that poor old David Lowe at Radio Devon has to listen to all that drivel before playing it on the Radio for us is a bit harsh, to say the least.
LeO calls.
Posted by: sicho
« on: May 11, 2014, 01:22:59 PM »

The complaint against Clarkson is false because he muttered the word inaudibly and the clip was never broadcast. Lowe broadcast a song which contained an offensive word. There must be very many recordings in the library that one with an offensive word might easily be missed. It's up to the presenter to check what he's playing.

Swearing might be common in some circles but the TV and radio channels serve also people who object to foul words, racism and other disrespectful language, as well as serving children.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 11, 2014, 12:51:42 PM »

Yes I agree that the word is offensive and particularly so in these 'enlightened' days.
But David Lowe never actually used the word - presumably he played a track from the BBC library after all - ONE complaint.
Even Clarkson who I deeply dislike, never actually used the word at all, never mind on air.
I think the charming 'Sun' song and the 'EMMM' nursery rhyme should be accepted being part of a culture of the past and maybe even, to provide a tolerant reminder of past bigotry.
But these days foul language is very much more widely accepted AND broadcast - many USA films seem to have few words that are not 'foul'.
The point about PC Britain is the McCarthy type fanaticism and this IMO is another bigotry, all of it's own.
Have a nice day ..


Posted by: sicho
« on: May 11, 2014, 09:01:16 AM »

It's regarded these days s an offensive word and was always used to indicate that the person in question was of lesser status because of his colour. The BBC almost certainly has a rule about the public use of such words.

Foul language on the box can also lead to dismissal or the lack of new contracts. Kenny Everett was sacked for saying, 'Yes, he's a country member'. Julian Cleary disappeared for a while for saying, 'I've just being fisting Norman Lamont' and 'Talk about a red box' on an award show. Lamont was Chancellor at the time.

Words that may be uttered in private are rightly not acceptable in public.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 11, 2014, 05:19:24 AM »

David Lowe, a Golden Oldies DJ at Radio Devon for 32 years, was sacked for playing a 1930's version of 'The Sun has got his Hat on', which includes the N word apparently.
There was just one complaint, (probably the only listener that noticed), but the BBC sacked him.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 10, 2014, 03:17:59 PM »

Well Saf.
Just so you don't think I'm condemning our Nation out of hand or frivolously - Good things in the UK - Cornwall, Torquay United, Fulham, West End theatres, PM questions in Parliament, Music in Pubs, good Folks, village cricket and football, Working Men's Clubs, a free press, some democracy and free speech, (despite attempts for PC to undermine it).
The objections are specific - Re H & S I'll quote for a start, the 2 'Special Constables' who could not dive into a gravel pool and save a drowning 11 year old because they did not have the right certificate. Other similar incidents. And thousands of other ridiculous events.
Let's keep this thread going - I'll try for my part. No more time for now...
Human Rights - Laws that prevent the return of illegal immigrants who commit crimes in the UK ? (Abu Hamza and ad nauseam).
But you seem freely enough to condemn one Nation .......................................................
And which Nation.
Good to see you back !

Posted by: sicho
« on: May 10, 2014, 01:27:33 PM »

Most nations have their problems but condemning one nation as a whole rather than reflecting on individual issues is, to put it gently, not helpful.

What's wrong with H&S Regulations? Do you prefer the Thai standards? What's wrong with the principle of decent human right laws?

The Thai military is not interested in democracy beyond window dressing for investors and foreign governments. Neither is the elite minority clan.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 10, 2014, 01:12:05 PM »

Saf it might seem like 'knocking' but the fact is that the UK has massive problems with the entanglements of PC, H&S, Human Rights, and the EU. The UK also has many other major issues to tackle.
As for Thailand, democracy is well understood. At least if the Military do act, they will NOT be invading nations many thousands of miles away and causing hundreds of thousands of deaths. Furthermore, if it comes to it, one hopes a Military takeover will go relatively smoothly and that Thailand will have democracy again as soon as possible.
The UK has had democracy for hundreds of years and still can't get it right.
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: May 10, 2014, 12:37:48 PM »

Hi Saf, Welome back! You were missed.

All pleasantries aside I must tear into your post as follows:-

The point of my post was that there is a suffocating political correctness afoot in the UK which condemns the use of many good old fashioned English words like the "n" word and all of the deliciously graphic words used to describe homosexuality. Talking of which the only word permitted in that context is "gay" which is a truly Orwellian perversion of the beautiful English language.  At least in Thailand speech is free and you can use the "f" word without fear of being ostracized. I concede that there is an exception when it comes to the Royal Family.

As regards the police please do not forget the innocent Jean Charles de Menezes who was shot dead by the BIB in a south London tube station.

As far as I can recall the Thai military has not invaded Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya in recent years.  Also the Thai military has no desire to possess weapons of mass destruction.

Fortunately Thailand is not encumbered by an enormously expensive welfare system where people are given free houses and are paid for having lots of children. In Thailand personal responsibility has consequences.

Finally there is the question of elections and democracy.  It just remains to be seen how much longer the English people will tolerate the composition of their government being largely determined by a bunch of jocks and taffies who have their own Assemblies.  I think it is only the terrible English weather which is keeping people off the streets.

Posted by: sicho
« on: May 10, 2014, 10:40:11 AM »

It's become common for Britons to knock their country of birth. After all, we've chosen to live in a country that doesn't know the meaning of the word 'democracy', where the military is ready to take over at any moment, where racial prejudice is legal and the poor are kept poor. Much better than a country where people accept election results, prejudice is illegal, law is enforced, most police don't carry guns and a welfare structure supports the poor, elderly and infirm.
Posted by: Baby Farts
« on: May 07, 2014, 12:49:34 PM »

Posted by: sicho
« on: May 06, 2014, 05:41:18 PM »

Hey Saf - nice to see you back !
Amazed that you like the TG show - for me the most offensive part of TG is taking the mickey out of the modest motor cars that most folks try to aspire to and therefore belittling the Folks what's trying so hard !
JC is unbearably smug but if Folks want to watch it - up to them - but I don't care about a nursery rhyme - even less so if not broadcast.
There's a witch hunt for JC - no doubt.
And a witch hunt generally on the PC front.

Thanks Roger!
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 06, 2014, 12:56:50 PM »

I go with saf  I like him and think he does a great job .

But it seems his troubles are not over - if it's true  - you never know. link below

 â€œwanting his cake and eating it too”.

Posted by: Roger
« on: May 06, 2014, 03:01:24 AM »

Thaiga I omitted that the 'Spaz' comment was in a childrens' cartoon feature !
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 05, 2014, 11:39:14 PM »

That's right roger


The BBC faces having to hand Jeremy Clarkson two separate pay-offs if he leaves over the Top Gear race row, it has emerged as the presenter continued to openly mock his employers.

The presenter is paid around £1 million a year to present the BBC Two motoring show.

But he also has a second seven-figure contract with BBC Worldwide, the commercial arm of the corporation which sells Top Gear abroad and generates income from live shows, DVDs and associated merchandise. The deal runs until September 2015.
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:43:29 PM »

Thaiga similar vein to the Elvis Costello bit - catching the wrong channel on TV briefly yesterday - a character was calling someone a 'Spaz' which is pretty horrible - even worse than JC methinks.
AND the missing letter below is A  - naggers ?
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 05, 2014, 09:15:30 PM »

He's been put on the spot here - the question - people annoy you - anyone know the answer  ;D

pic @sydneyabbot‎
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 05, 2014, 08:38:14 PM »

Hey Saf - nice to see you back !
Amazed that you like the TG show - for me the most offensive part of TG is taking the mickey out of the modest motor cars that most folks try to aspire to and therefore belittling the Folks what's trying so hard !
JC is unbearably smug but if Folks want to watch it - up to them - but I don't care about a nursery rhyme - even less so if not broadcast.
There's a witch hunt for JC - no doubt.
And a witch hunt generally on the PC front.
Posted by: sicho
« on: May 05, 2014, 07:32:36 PM »

Britain as a whole is far from pc. However, there's been a group out to get Clarkson for a while and the Top Gear 'slope' remark seems to have stirred them up. He fronts a great show and I hope that he continues so to do.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 05, 2014, 01:22:22 PM »

BBC forbidden word is OK for Elvis Costello -

On Oliver’s Army, which has been broadcast in full thousands of times since it was released in 1979, Costello sings ‘One more widow, one less white n----r

Olivers Army Lyrics  from lyricsdepot

Don't start me talking
I could talk all night
My mind goes sleepwalking
While I'm putting the world to right
Called careers information
Have you got yourself an occupation

Oliver's army is here to stay
Oliver's army are on their way
And I would rather be anywhere else
But here today

There was a checkpoint charlie
He didn't crack a smile
But it's no laughing party
When you've been on the murder mile
Only takes one itchy trigger
One more widow, one less white n----r

Elvis Costello ~ Oliver's Army
Posted by: falangforfun
« on: May 05, 2014, 07:27:36 AM »

I have always thought of Clarkson as a smug twat, but this is bullshit to the highest degree. The so called racist remark was not aired on TV. He mumbled something that cannot be deciphered and they re shot the scene using the word Teacher by the sounds of it.

Does the Prime Minister really have nothing to do apart from comment on comments not aired on TV?

How can the rag heads get away with publicly saying kill the infidels, isn't this slightly racist? Any comments Dave?
Posted by: Roger
« on: May 04, 2014, 10:02:32 PM »

Whilst I totally dislike, the, IMO, unbearably smug Jeremy Clarkson, I'm sorry to say he has my sympathy in this case.
TT has started an important thread - the PC World of Britain is just bizarre. (More bizarre UK in Health and Safety excesses.)
Early PC thinking included the removal of Golliwogs from Robertson's Marmalade labels and the banning of such toys. And thereafter in all,  endless and any detail - ad nauseam.
It's apparently OK to have profuse offensive language in life, films and theatre etc. Why ?
Of course, it is never right to gratuitously use words that offend - but if the word is not used as an insult - mai pen lai.
Anyone can call me a 'whitey' - or worse and I promise not to whinge.
Can we keep this thread going and report regularly the never ending PC nonsense that goes on in the UK ?
It's like a constant witch hunt similar to McCarthyism in the USA in the 50's - repulsive.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: May 04, 2014, 05:50:57 PM »

Clarkson responded to the controversy by tweeting: "I'm not a racist. I am currently sitting in a bar with a man who lives quite near Wales." :lol mr.raghead

here's the apology

Jeremy Clarkson Begs for Forgiveness Over Slur
Posted by: Taman Tun
« on: May 04, 2014, 05:27:24 PM »

It is just amazing to see what will offend sensibilities in the UK these days.  Here is one of the latest examples. I bet the Niggaz worldwide are laughing their socks off at this:-
Jeremy Clarkson has begged viewers' forgiveness after he appeared to use the N-word during filming of his BBC programme Top Gear.

In a video statement posted online on Thursday, he said that he had tried to obscure the word when reciting the 'eeny, meeny, miny, moe' nursery rhyme to choose between two cars, but that his efforts to do so "weren't quite good enough".

Clarkson had previously issued a robust denial of the allegation, telling his 3.2 million Twitter followers: "I did not use the n-word. Never use it. The Mirror has gone way too far this time."

But footage of the incident was later posted on The Daily Mirror website. In it Clarkson recites the beginning of the children's nursery rhyme "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe …" before mumbling: "Catch a "negro" (replaced by censor system) by his toe."

In his video statement Clarkson concludes by saying: "Please be assured I did everything in my power to not use that word, as I'm sitting here begging your forgiveness for the fact my efforts obviously weren't quite good enough, thank you."

Clarkson's apology came after a day of growing calls for the BBC to sack him over the row. The corporation issued a strongly worded statement saying: "Jeremy Clarkson has set out the background to this regrettable episode. We have made it absolutely clear to him, the standards the BBC expects on air and off. We have left him in no doubt about how seriously we view this."

Downing Street condemned any use of the word, saying that David Cameron – a friend of Clarkson's – would "certainly not" use it.

Davies added: "It's ironic that Ukip seem to be better at tackling racism in their midst than the BBC."

Aliya Mohammed, the chief executive of Race Equality First, called for immediate action from the BBC.

She said: "I am appalled at yet another open display of racism from Clarkson. How many racist comments will the BBC allow from the presenter? It makes me question whether Clarkson feels it would be acceptable because he thinks viewers and others within the BBC share his views.

"Racism is illegal and it has no place in modern society. I urge as many people as possible to show their condemnation of this abhorrent display of racism. A public personality should set an example to viewers and Clarkson is clearly a very bad example."

Lawyers for the Indian-born actor Somi Guha, who appeared in The Bill and other television shows, made a formal complaint to the BBC Trust as calls for Clarkson to be sacked gathered pace. In the letter, which was also sent to the media regulator Ofcom and has been seen by the Guardian, the lawyer Lawrence Davies demanded an external investigation into how the offensive language had come to be edited out of the show and whether Clarkson had been reprimanded.

Davies, director of the law firm Equal Justice Solicitors, said Clarkson would be dismissed in any other line of work. "It's appalling. He's a repeat offender and should be sacked," he said.

"If he was a Ukip councillor in a private meeting I believe they would suspend or dismiss him. If he was the owner of an American basketball team he would be fined and banned. But the BBC consider themselves unaccountable on the issue of racism."

The prime minister's spokesman said: "In terms of any usage of that word, that would be quite wrong."

He added that the BBC would be investigating the claims. "If there are those types of reports and allegations I'm sure that is something the BBC will look at." Clarkson, who earned more than £14m last year for his Top Gear work, is understood to have spoken to senior BBC figures on Thursday morning as part of the corporation's investigation into the allegations.

Executives learned about the controversy only when a preview of the Mirror's front page was published online on Wednesday night.

Clarkson's Top Gear co-host James May earlier leapt to the star's defence. May told his 1.4 million Twitter followers: "Jeremy Clarkson is not a racist. He is a monumental bellend and many other things, but not a racist. I wouldn't work with one. #ThatIsAll."

Piers Morgan, the former CNN presenter with a long history of feuding with Clarkson, led calls on Twitter for him to be dismissed. He said Clarkson should be "TV toast", and added: "Ron Atkinson was fired by @ITV for using the N-word. Don't see how the BBC can avoid firing @JeremyClarkson if he did the same … In America, he'd be fired by now."

The programme, aired in February 2013, showed Clarkson standing between a Toyota GT86 and a Subaru BRZ and saying: "Both cost the same, they have the same bodies and the same interiors with the same equipment.

"They are even built by the same people in the same factory. You might imagine then that it's quite hard to choose between them, but actually, it isn't. Watch, because this is how you do it."

In the unaired footage – which was later passed to the Mirror – the presenter then recites the children's counting rhyme and appears to use the N-word under his breath before pointing at the Toyota and shrugging: "Toyota it is." The offensive term was removed from the episode, according to the Mirror. In the broadcast version, Clarkson recited the rhyme but this time used the word "teacher".

The allegations come weeks after Top Gear executives expressed regret over a remark made by Clarkson on the show's Burma special, broadcast in March.

During the programme, Clarkson and co-hosts Richard Hammond and James May built a bridge over the river Kwai in Thailand. As an Asian man was seen walking along the bridge, Clarkson said: "That is a proud moment, but there's a slope on it."

The remark prompted a conciliatory statement from the show's executive producer, Andy Wilman, who said the word "might not be widely recognised in the UK" but "we appreciate that it can be considered offensive to some here and overseas for example in Australia and the USA.

"If we had known that at the time we would not have broadcast the word in this context and regret any offence caused."

Clarkson responded to the controversy by tweeting: "I'm not a racist. I am currently sitting in a bar with a man who lives quite near Wales."