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Immigrants' spouses 'must speak English before entering UK'

Supreme court judges unanimously dismiss Saiqa Bibi and Saffana Ali’s claim that pre-entry English test breaches their right to a private and family life.

The supreme court has rejected a challenge against an immigration rule requiring spouses to be able to speak English before moving to the UK.

Five justices in London had been urged to rule that the pre-entry measure was “unreasonable, disproportionate and discriminatory”. But the panel, led by the court’s president, Lord Neuberger, unanimously dismissed an appeal by two women, who are British citizens. Their husbands, who cannot speak English, are foreign nationals and wish to join them in the UK.

full article: theguardian.com
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Re: Immigrants' spouses 'must speak English before entering UK'
« Reply #1 on: November 20, 2015, 05:40:09 AM »
Some great news to start the day with. 
 

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« Reply #2 on: November 20, 2015, 10:52:16 AM »
Then try contributing something interesting yourself
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« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2015, 12:39:38 PM »
I think you missed my point, i thought it was brill lol

 
 

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« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2015, 12:54:48 PM »
Yeah right.  brill but too late now.
Now if you'd used the thank you button then ......  Any closer to Hua Hin yet  :cheers
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Re: Immigrants' spouses 'must speak English before entering UK'
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2015, 01:04:23 PM »
Chimera I read your 'great news' post that way. The 'it's brill' way that is.
I myself have often thought about Folks coming to the UK that don't even speak English for God's sake or even try to learn ! Good attitude.
BUT I hope that Thailand doesn't do a 'tit for tat' on this one .......
Because I'd be one of the first to be thrown out !
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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2015, 01:28:01 PM »
So what are we saying, it's ok for married foreigners to live here with their wife and not speak the language
But not ok for foreigners to do the same in the UK.

Just asking .......
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2015, 02:03:41 PM »
Yes Thaiga.
Of course it's not OK. I should speak Thai.
The only difference I can 'finger' is that we in Thailand DO generally bring resources and spread them around for the benefit of the Thais. But immigrants to the UK don't generally support themselves and are not likely to be able to, unless they know English.
But as I said, I hope there won't be a 'tit for tat' ! ATB
 
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2015, 02:11:38 PM »
I know roger - Like i said just asking

But if we could speak read and write thai then most of us would have a residence permit.

Bearing in mind

A) A non-refundable fee for each application is 7,600 baht.

b) If the application is approved, the fee for the residence permit is 191,400 baht.

Ah! well 90 days it is then  :(
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2015, 02:29:43 PM »
A bit more from  theguardian.com  do you need to speak English to be a good citizen?

‘I can’t speak properly. I am different’: do you need to speak English to be a good citizen?

Whether or not migrants can speak English has become a kind of code for whether or not migrants actively want to integrate and be a “proper” citizen. In 2013, the chancellor George Osborne said “if you are not prepared to learn English, your benefits will be cut”, as if immigrants just wanted to come to the UK and wring the system dry.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2015, 04:38:49 PM »
Hi Thaiga and maybe all Immigrants don't want to wring the system dry but there is little doubt that the UK benefit system is particularly attractive atm. Just one example, citizens of other EU countries in the UK, often very hardworking Guys, receive UK child allowance for kids they have left behind in say, Poland ! Ridiculous. (The UK rate is well above the Polish rate applying where the kids reside).
Coming back to the point, I do think it's a little tough to expect foreign spouses of UK citizens to speak good English IF they are supported by their UK spouse but I think it's a reasonable requirement to expect Immigrants generally to be able to speak English, as otherwise, so that one day they can hope to support themselves.
 
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2015, 08:10:38 PM »
Hi Thaiga and maybe all Immigrants don't want to wring the system dry but there is little doubt that the UK benefit system is particularly attractive atm. Just one example, citizens of other EU countries in the UK, often very hardworking Guys, receive UK child allowance for kids they have left behind in say, Poland ! Ridiculous. (The UK rate is well above the Polish rate applying where the kids reside).
Coming back to the point, I do think it's a little tough to expect foreign spouses of UK citizens to speak good English IF they are supported by their UK spouse but I think it's a reasonable requirement to expect Immigrants generally to be able to speak English, as otherwise, so that one day they can hope to support themselves.

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