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Britain refuses to give Assange safe passage
« on: August 17, 2012, 05:35:55 AM »
Must be nice to be holed up in an embassy.


Britain will not allow WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange safe passage out of the UK, despite Ecuador granting him asylum on Thursday, according to a top British government official.

"We will not allow Mr. Assange safe passage out of the United Kingdom, nor is there any legal basis for us to do so,'' British Foreign Secretary William Hague told a news conference in London. "The United Kingdom does no recognize the principle of diplomatic asylum.''

The Australian ex-hacker has been holed up for almost two months at the Latin American nation's London embassy in an effort to avoid being extradited to Sweden, where he is wanted for questioning on allegations of sexual misconduct.

Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino, speaking during a news conference in Quito, Ecuador, said Ecuador believed Assange faced a real threat of political persecution -- including the prospect of extradition to the United States, where Patino said the head of the secret-spilling website would not get a fair trial.

"It is not impossible that he would be treated in a cruel manner, condemned to life in prison, or even the death penalty," Patino told journalists in Quito, the Ecuadorean capital. "Ecuador is convinced that his procedural rights have been violated."

The Swedish Foreign Ministry says it has summoned Ecuador's ambassador over the Latin American country's decision.

Stockholm Foreign Ministry spokesman Anders Jorle said Thursday, "We want to tell them that it's inacceptable that Ecuador is trying to stop the Swedish judicial process."

Britain's Foreign Office said it was disappointed by the decision, but that it still plans to fulfill its legal obligation to extradite Assange to Sweden.

Assange's recognition as a political refugee by Ecuador's left-wing government was a big symbolic victory for the embattled ex-hacker, but it did little to answer the question: `How will he ever leave the embassy?'

"We're at something of an impasse," lawyer Rebecca Niblock said shortly after the news broke. "It's not a question of law anymore. It's a question of politics and diplomacy."

She said British authorities remained under the legal obligation to arrest Assange, 41, as soon as he set foot outside the embassy building because he had been under strict bail conditions when he sought asylum.

"He's in breach of his bail," she noted. "But I can't see Ecuador changing their position."

Staying in the embassy long-term, "seems to be one of the few feasible options I can think of," she said, adding that the question of how long Assange could stand it in the embassy was not one she could answer.

Assange shot to prominence after WikiLeaks repeatedly released huge troves of U.S. secret documents, moves which have outraged Americans and led to calls from American politicians to have him hunted down like a terrorist.

He is wanted in Sweden for questioning on allegations of sexual misconduct, but supporters fear the Scandinavian extradition effort is the opening gambit in a Washington-orchestrated bid to make him stand trial in the United States.

Swedish officials, and the two women who have accused Assange, have denied that the extradition bid is politically motivated. Director of Public Prosecution Marianne Ny declined to comment on the asylum decision, saying the issue was a matter for Britain.

Ecuador's decision heartened supporters -- there was a cheer outside the Ecuadorean Embassy when it was announced -- but is likely to have little practical effect on Assange's current status.

He remains in the modest embassy building, where he has been staying since June 19, and British authorities have pledged to arrest him if he leaves. Swedish authorities say their investigation remains ongoing.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/08/15/britain-threatens-to-storm-embassy-to-arrest-wikileaks-assange-ecuador-says/?test=latestnews#ixzz23ke3TKvB

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Re: Britain refuses to give Assange safe passage
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2012, 07:55:01 AM »
The Swedes want him for questioning only. They could have done that in Britain.

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« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2012, 08:47:47 AM »
The Swedes want him for questioning only. They could have done that in Britain.
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Re: Britain refuses to give Assange safe passage
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2012, 09:11:33 AM »
The Swedish Foreign Ministry says it has summoned Ecuador's ambassador over the Latin American country's decision.

Stockholm Foreign Ministry spokesman Anders Jorle said Thursday, "We want to tell them that it's inacceptable that Ecuador is trying to stop the Swedish judicial process."

Looks like Swedish politicians also want to appear as fools. As they say they want to question Julian Assange only there is no reason to ask for his extradition, as they could have easily done this in the UK. The whole affair gets blown up far beyond the leaked cables now: it gets to questioning the power of governments and companies (VISA, Paypal etc.) over people and their whistleblowers /journalists, i. e. an extremely important human rights issue.

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« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2012, 09:31:31 AM »
It certainly is an important human rights issue, especially when added to the financial world's scandals that are now being revealed.

Britain has extended it to attempting to bully a less powerful nation. The British government isn't popular in some South American countries and this incident won't help. The Falklands issue will be brought to the fore again very soon, I wouldn't be surprised.

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2012, 10:03:57 AM »
Is Britain really gonna make another martyr of him?


And is the British government gambling with something that can drastically change domestic politics?


Germany for example saw a rise of a new party in recent years/months: The Pirates! British politicians should fear alternatives to their own seats.

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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2012, 10:22:50 AM »
When governments ignore the will and welfare of their citizens, there will eventually be some form of uprising. It might be limited to a major change at a General Election if ever a real alternative was offered.

The British government is one that has been seen to support a corrupt financial market until it collapsed and we saw it for what it was. It has also sacrificed British lives and spent British taxpayers' money in pursuance of the interests of powerful foreign powers. It has allowed EU bureaucrats and power crazy politicians open its doors to the rampant immigration of unskilled people.

Many Britons are suffering financially now and see scandals and unfairness all around them. No wonder that extremist political groups are on the rise.

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2012, 04:08:41 PM »
Assange isn't really wanted by the Swedes, he's wanted by the Americans. The US wants to send a powerful message to anyone who undermines their position and authority, and Assange has done exactly that via Wikileaks: it would be a brave person to repeat what he has done so the US is achieving its goal. Sadly, free speach will be the real victim.

I was sorry to see Assange flee to the Ecuadorian embassy. He knows it will only serve to delay his eventual arrest but Assange is a self publicist and the circus suits him too. He will end up in Sweden, spend a few months on remand, then the charges will be quietly dropped. Assange will probably fade from our collective memories within 18 months. Already, I cannot recall what Wikileaks leaked; the whole "Assange" think has completely taken over.

Regarding the Falklands, the current Argentinian regime is unpopular and needs a populist agenda to deflect public attention, something the Falklands do nicely. But the Argentinians are busy making themselves unpopular globally - look at the nationalisation of YPF and the reaction of the Spanish government. Brazil might pay lip-service to support at a very basic level, but this is a non-issue to them. As for the US - if the truth is that the only reason anyone cares about a few rocks in the South Atlantic is because there may be oil under the sea around them, as there might be under parts of Antarctica (also claimed by Argentina) - who would they rather has a controlling interest and military base; their oldest partner and fellow NATO member, or a wonky Latin state?

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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2012, 07:38:39 PM »
Perhaps a wonky Latin State.

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2012, 08:10:11 PM »
How does the classified info released by this benefit you?  It only gives you American hating more ammo to throw at us.  His intent is to discredit the US.  What effect has the info this prick has released had an impact on your life?  I know, more rocks and stones to throw at the US and tell us what a sht country we are, but at the first hint of trouble in your own country you are asking us to come to your rescue.

It's ok to hate America, but don't use this degenerate prick as an excuse.  Come and say it to my face.

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Re: Britain refuses to give Assange safe passage
« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2012, 08:29:14 PM »
BF, there isn't any hostility against the USA in this thread or anywhere else on this forum. Maybe you should discuss as rational as the rest of us! ;)

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« Reply #11 on: August 17, 2012, 08:30:35 PM »
I believe that Wikileaks did the world a service by exposing material fro other countries' clandestine communications too. Wikileaks didn't create the ammunition, they merely opened the arsenal so that we could see inside.

This issue isn't about the USA, it's about the goings on behind the scenes of government and government agencies and how that compares with what we are told publicly.

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Re: Britain refuses to give Assange safe passage
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2012, 07:23:19 AM »
The reason for the aggression is because I've never in my life ever heard so much hatred towards America until I moved to Thailand.  There I things I hate about America too, one of the reasons I choose to live here.  I fail to see how Assange is providing a service for the world.  What service is that?...Because the public has a right to know?  It's doesn't change your life, but it does compromise our informants, their families, etc...nobody seems to want to talk about the NEGATIVE effects of this punk's actions.  The American haters rejoice because they can say, "See what the US is doing in secret."   It would be refreshing for those who criticize the US to look at their own country first.  We can start by looking at Assange's homeland, originated from the lowest criminals in the UK because they were running out of room in their prisons.  Ironic too isn't it, that they sent them to a place with beautiful white sand beaches, clean water, beautiful country side.  Boy they really got what they had coming to them.

I don't want to turn this into a US vs (Country) issue, but seriously this whole thing about Assange is nothing more than his effort and campaign to discredit the US.  His actions served no purpose other than to provide our enemies with classified intel, compromise the safety of families, and finally give the American haters more ammo to sling at us. 

Finally, what makes people (especially non-Americans) think they have the right to view and access classified documents, particularly ones which ensure the defense and protection of America?  If you feel it's ok then please feel free to post your credit card info, email and pw, background, etc.  Fair enough?


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Re: Britain refuses to give Assange safe passage
« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2012, 07:38:38 AM »
BF, is there any reason why you can't stay on topic? This topic is about Britain not letting a person who is wanted merely for questioning in another country and who took refuge in the embassy of a third country leave that embassy to go to that country's native soil, where he has been granted political refugee status. If you want to keep on repeating your ranting about Julian Assange over and over again, please post on the thread started for your ranting.

There is no need to spread your repeated ranting on the same topic all over the forum, even hijacking threads on other topics. :(

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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2012, 07:45:07 AM »
As far as I can see, there's no hatred of the US on this forum. Anyone who 'hates' a whole country is being irrational. People, including me, are critical of some aspects of the US Administration, politics, gun culture, opposition to social welfare programmes and so on. That's not hatred. It's of interest to non-US citizens because of the country's influence around the world.

Assange has done a service by exposing the machinations behind the diplomatic scene. The pressure on a Thai politician to reveal a private conversation he had at the highest level is a good example.

Britain and other countries in the past indulged in colonialism, exploiting backward nations, and supporting slavery. What was done was acceptable at the time but abhorrent to us today. Similar behaviour by any power today will inevitably invite criticism. I once had a conversation with a rather drunken lady in a bar in County Cork. A five year old boy had just been blown up in England by an IRA bomb. She remarked that our, British, pigeons were coming home to roost. She was referring to the past occupation of all of Eire by brutal British troops and the poor treatment of Roman Catholics in the north. My answer was that those who exploited her ancestors also exploited mine. She understood, I hope, that not everyone in Britain today agrees with its actions in the past. You may also have noticed that I'm prepared to criticise aspects of Britain today that I don't like.

Assange hasn't tried to discredit the US. He's revealed something of what US representatives get up to that even most of that country's citizens don't know about. Elected governments have a duty to be open and honest. When they fail to do that and resist exposure of the truth, they are betraying their own electorate. I'm not aware that any real military secrets were revealed. If they were, then those who wrote the communications were careless because hundreds of people had access to them even before Wikileaks published them.

I know of no campaign to discredit the US but its Administration does itself no favours by being heavy handed over criticism.

It's not correct to say that the UK's worst criminals were sent to Australia. Those who were sent there were sheep and bread thieves, union agitators and debtors. Not all were banished for life. The murders weren't exiled!

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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2012, 09:50:29 AM »
Yes, I know JF.  I started the topic.  I'm tying in what was said on another topic with the people rejoicing for this Assange. 

Personally, I am waiting any day now to see that the Brits will arrest this guy.  If he's innocent of all charges then he has nothing to worry about.  The fact that he has to hide in an embassy kind of speaks for itself.  He seems to have forgotten that what's happening to him now is a direct result of his recklessness posting classified info on the net.  Perhaps he should have thought about that in the first place.  After the Brits and Swedes are done with him, off to the US will be his next stop to face charges there.  He realizes this, which is why he's trying to hide from the authorities. 

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« Reply #16 on: August 18, 2012, 09:57:21 AM »
If he's innocent of all charges then he has nothing to worry about.

Why should he not worry when there are people calling for the CIA to murder him, even as his guilt has not been proven, even not any indictment filed? :spin

The CIA should take his ass out.
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2) Killing Julian Assange would send a message: Julian Assange is not an American citizen and he has no constitutional rights. So, there’s no reason that the CIA can’t kill him.

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« Reply #17 on: August 18, 2012, 11:10:46 AM »
Yes, I know JF.  I started the topic.  I'm tying in what was said on another topic with the people rejoicing for this Assange. 

Personally, I am waiting any day now to see that the Brits will arrest this guy.  If he's innocent of all charges then he has nothing to worry about.  The fact that he has to hide in an embassy kind of speaks for itself.  He seems to have forgotten that what's happening to him now is a direct result of his recklessness posting classified info on the net.  Perhaps he should have thought about that in the first place.  After the Brits and Swedes are done with him, off to the US will be his next stop to face charges there.  He realizes this, which is why he's trying to hide from the authorities.

Let's not get confused.

Remember that the Swedes want him only for questioning about alleged sexual assaults. They could have done that a long time ago in Britain. They were offered the chance to do it at the Embassy a few days ago. Moreover, the first complainant withdrew her allegations and a Swedish lawyer resurrected them.

Britain would not extradite him to the US even though Courts decided to extradite him to Sweden on lesser charges. I believe the reason is that he may face the death penalty in the US whilst Britain doesn't have one.

His reluctance to go to Sweden to face charges which he denies and the basis for his application for asylum in Ecuador is that he believes he would be mistreated in the US and not get a fair trial. The baying for his blood indicates that he may be right and the Ecuador government agrees.

What most people seem to be celebrating is that Ecuador has upheld decent human standards whilst the authorities in Britain and Sweden are playing dirty tricks. The feeling would be the same whichever country might ultimately want him in custody. If Britain and Sweden we honestly considering only the allegations of sexual assault this matter could have been dealt with many months ago. They are not being honest and the British authorities in particular have unnecessarily created a problem and bad feeling for themselves.

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« Reply #18 on: August 18, 2012, 11:52:17 AM »
Why should he not worry when there are people calling for the CIA to murder him, even as his guilt has not been proven, even not any indictment filed? :spin
2) Killing Julian Assange would send a message: Julian Assange is not an American citizen and he has no constitutional rights. So, there’s no reason that the CIA can’t kill him.

Like I said, perhaps he should've thought about that before he began his campaign against America and its allies.

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« Reply #19 on: August 18, 2012, 01:13:04 PM »
Like I said, perhaps he should've thought about that before he began his campaign against America and its allies.

I'm sure he had the best intentions for the American people and all humans on this planet. And definitely there isn't a campaign against America and its allies. Will you ever understand that it is a campaign for the truth. Most people don't appreciate their elected and tax-paid politicians lying to them.

Maybe the ambassadors and other personnel involved should have thought of some "leak" sooner or later before they documented all this. Their own fault! 8)

BF, can you imagine how boring it is to have you repeating your rant at every occasion even remotely connected to Wikileaks? Keep posting your rants in the thread you opened for that and not spill your vendetta against Julian Assange all over this forum, or I have to move your over-and-over repeating posts to that thread.

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« Reply #20 on: August 18, 2012, 07:05:22 PM »
Julian Assange saga costs UK £1m as police surround Ecuador embassy


Police and protestors surround the Ecuadorian embassy

Around 50 police officers have now surrounded the Knightsbridge mansion that houses the embassy in a bid to stop the Australian escaping the building and fleeing to Ecuador, where he has been granted asylum.

Crowds of protestors in support of Assange have gathered outside and every window and door of the building is now covered by a police officer, with UK taxpayers now facing a bill that has rapidly risen above seven figures.

While British authorities have promised to arrest Assange should he step outside the embassy, his lawyer Baltasar Garzon claims that international law means Britain is compelled to allow him to leave for Ecaudor.

'We will go before the International Court of Justice to demand that Britain complies with its obligations because there is a person who runs the risk of being persecuted politically,' he said.


The website WikiLeaks became notorious for publishing leaked official data that had hugely damaging consequences for governments around the world – particularly the United States.

Assange claims that the sexual assault charges relating to two former WikiLeaks workers in Sweden are part of a political plot to extradite him to the US.

Meanwhile, Australian diplomats in Washington have revealed they have begun contingency planning in case Assange does end up in the US facing charges.

Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

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« Reply #21 on: August 18, 2012, 10:36:27 PM »
Baby Farts you talk off Assange passing on information that got innocent people killed. prehaps we should get the CIA to kill Blair and Bush. who are both guilty of lying to there countries about Iraq ie weapons of mass destruction (which were never found).Lots of innocent people have been killed in Iraq. and young brits and yanks are still getting killed to this day in Afganistan for no reason .


the real story is the yanks want Assange for the embarrassment  he caused. surely they could of tried him for treason or whatever the equivalent is in the states if he is guilty of supplying state secerts.

how can Assange ever get a fair trial now. as opinions are so strong on both sides of the argument.

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« Reply #22 on: August 18, 2012, 11:23:42 PM »
it is a farce really. when you think 50 coppers to watch the building. surely you only need one at each door. it's not as if Assange is a killer .the police won't be in a hurry to arrest him , think of the overtime.I am glad i am paying my taxes.

if any of the replies from my tortured email box pay out i will pay the police bill  :lol :lol or even hire a hit man to have a word with Baby Farts  :lol only joking every one has the right to an opinion.

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« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2012, 07:51:14 AM »
I was about to write a post comparing the British government's threat to break into the Ecuador Embassy with it's failure to act in the case of the Yvonne Fletcher murder outside the Libyan Embassy in 1984 when I came across this:

http://vialls.homestead.com/yvonnefletcher.html

I expect that we will hear the trigger term 'conspiracy theory', intended to make us scoff without reading the piece but consider the scientific evidence that's quoted.

For those who don't already know about the Yvonne Fletcher case, read the official story and ask why no-one was arrested. Even this report mentions some evidence that the firing could not have come from the Libyan Embassy:

http://vialls.homestead.com/yvonnefletcher.html

I remember the invasion of Libya two years later. The afternoon before it happened, I was driving south near the Cotswolds, not far from several non-British military airbases, and saw the sky filled with huge foreign military aircraft. We didn't know until the next morning that the British Government had permitted a foreign power to use my country as a launch base for an attack on civilians in Libya.

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« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2012, 10:28:37 AM »
I'm sure he had the best intentions for the American people and all humans on this planet. And definitely there isn't a campaign against America and its allies. Will you ever understand that it is a campaign for the truth. Most people don't appreciate their elected and tax-paid politicians lying to them.

Maybe the ambassadors and other personnel involved should have thought of some "leak" sooner or later before they documented all this. Their own fault! 8)

BF, can you imagine how boring it is to have you repeating your rant at every occasion even remotely connected to Wikileaks? Keep posting your rants in the thread you opened for that and not spill your vendetta against Julian Assange all over this forum, or I have to move your over-and-over repeating posts to that thread.

The truth?  Really, JF.  Why don't you ask the American people how they feel about his "best intentions" for the planet and Americans.  The only people happy about this are non-Americans.  Have you ever stopped to think about the collateral damage he has caused in his quest to "expose" people?  You keep avoiding the question.  Why?  What's the purpose of all of this?  Was it worth it?

Ok, you can move this "rant" too.

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« Reply #25 on: August 19, 2012, 10:37:09 AM »
Baby Farts you talk off Assange passing on information that got innocent people killed. prehaps we should get the CIA to kill Blair and Bush. who are both guilty of lying to there countries about Iraq ie weapons of mass destruction (which were never found).Lots of innocent people have been killed in Iraq. and young brits and yanks are still getting killed to this day in Afganistan for no reason .


the real story is the yanks want Assange for the embarrassment  he caused. surely they could of tried him for treason or whatever the equivalent is in the states if he is guilty of supplying state secerts.

how can Assange ever get a fair trial now. as opinions are so strong on both sides of the argument.

DD, I'm with you on that 100%.  I can't stand either of those two .  We all know the reason for the invasion  $$$$.  I don't think it's so much that Assange tried to embarrass America, but the methods he used and claiming to do it in the best interest of the people, which everyone knows is a crock of sh.it.  Ironic isn't it considering he's not an American citizen.  Frankly,  I could care less about the sex charges.....doesn't mean squat....just look at Bill Clinton.  Assange is not interested in the best interest of the American people, he's interested in making a name for himself, he's a fink and a narc...nothing more...and if anyone is stupid enough to believe that he's done a favor for the American people, go ask any American how they feel about him. 



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« Reply #26 on: August 19, 2012, 10:48:30 AM »
This isn't about Wikileaks. It's about the British government playing games to get Assange to Sweden when the Swedes' needs could be satisfied in London. Assange's claims that he will be extradited from Sweden to the US are denied by the Swedish government. I think they are lying and you seem to as well.

If someone wants to start a thread about the treachery of the US and British governments in other instances, I'd be glad to contribute!

If anyone isn't sure why Assange doesn't want to risk extradition to the US, read this about the treatment thereof a man who has not yet been found guilty of anything:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-manning-cruel-inhuman-treatment-un

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« Reply #27 on: August 19, 2012, 10:58:46 AM »
The truth?  Really, JF.  Why don't you ask the American people how they feel about his "best intentions" for the planet and Americans.  The only people happy about this are non-Americans.  Have you ever stopped to think about the collateral damage he has caused in his quest to "expose" people?  You keep avoiding the question.  Why?  What's the purpose of all of this?  Was it worth it?

Ok, you can move this "rant" too.

BF, when the Pentagon Papers were revealed, Neil Sheehan, an American, the journalist of the New York Times, was praised by the international and the American public and other journalists for his detective work and revealing the lies and coverups of the time. The revelation of the Pentagon Pagers indirectly saved thousands or more like hundreds of thousands of American soldiers' lives and billions or even trillions of American tax-payers' dollars being wasted in Vietnam. What Wikileaks did with the United States embassy cables was just the same. The big difference though, is, that due to technological development Wikileaks did not only reach a far bigger and not only professionally-concerned and local or national audience, but almost everybody in the whole world, and especially relatively unfiltered by the press in between, it reached its audience directly via the internet; the embarrassment for the involved politicians was very much bigger due to that. But from the perspective of the people revealing these "secrets" it wasn't any different in the process of revealing secret government documents for the benefit of the people seeking true and complete information to base their own actions upon, i.e. who to vote for, who to demonstrate and agitate against etc., in short: to exercise democracy.

BTW the Nixon administration, especially Henry Kissinger, did also flips and twists to keep the New York Times from informing about the documents. But the Supreme Court decided in New York Times Co. v. United States (403 U.S. 713) for the right to publish that information. They based their decision on the First Amendment. The question before the court was whether the constitutional freedom of the press, guaranteed by the First Amendment, was subordinate to a claimed need of the executive branch of government to maintain the secrecy of information. The Supreme Court ruled that the First Amendment did protect the right of the New York Times to print the materials. If you agree now as a defender of the American Constitution, that the leaking of the Pentagon Papers by the New York Times, an American newspaper, was worth the embarrassment and spoiled political careers of some American politicians and administratives, you cannot deny that Wikileak's revelations have the same value! But that was long ago, got forgotten already... ;)

The internet gave us more democracy, and the internet gave people more direct access to information. Julian Anssanges and Wikileaks's "crime" might have been using the internet for this democratic purpose of informing their audience instead of newspapers nobody reads anymore. The times they have been changing. Politicians have to get used to the "downsides for their purposes" of the new media, too, instead of just using them for getting into power.

But you're still posting off-topic, BF! This thread is about the treatment of a guy by the British, a guy the Swedish want "for questioning about the accusation of having raped" only, a human rights issue, not the embarrassment he might have brought to Americans in general.

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« Reply #28 on: August 19, 2012, 07:07:25 PM »
Crowd getting excited at Ecuadorian Embassy ahead of Assange speech & a strange crate has appeared?


The Organisation of American States (OAS) has voted to hold a meeting next Friday following Ecuador's decision to grant political asylum to Assange, who is currently taking refuge in the country's embassy in London.

Assange has described the move as a "historic victory" but the British foreign secretary, William Hague, made it clear that the Australian would not be allowed safe passage out of the country.

The permanent council of the OAS decided that a meeting would be held in Washington DC after members voted on the issue. The US, Canada and Trinidad and Tobago opposed the resolution, but 23 members voted in favour of the meeting. There were five abstentions and three members were absent.

The OAS secretary general, José Miguel Insulza, said the meeting would not be about Assange but the "the problem posed by the threat or warning made to Ecuador by the possibility of an intervention into its embassy in London. The issue that concerns us is the inviolability of diplomatic missions of all members of this organisation, something that is of interest to all of us."
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Julian Assange rallies supporters on balcony of Ecuadorean embassy

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange has thanked the nation of Ecuador for taking a "stand for justice" in giving him political asylum as he appeared on the balcony of its embassy.

 He appeared on the balcony of the South American country's embassy in London where he has been taking refuge for two months as he seeks to avoid extradition to Sweden to face questioning on sexual assault allegations.

The Australian also thanked other helpful South American nations and supporters around the world, plus his family including his children "who have been denied their father".

He said: "Forgive me, we will be reunited soon."

Australian born Mr Assange is facing extradition to Sweden, where he is accused of the sexual assault of two women, which he denies.

Mr Assange remains at the centre of a diplomatic row involving six countries on five continents, having skipped bail to avoid extradition.

 He is currently in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, which, under the terms of the Vienna Convention, British police cannot enter.

Earlier his legal adviser Balthasar Garcon emerged from the Ecuadorean embassy in London and said: "I have spoken to Julian Assange and I can tell you he is in fighting spirits and he is thankful to the people of Ecuador and especially to the president for granting asylum.

"Julian Assange has always fought for truth and justice and has defended human rights and continues to do so.

"He demands that WikiLeaks and his own rights be respected.

"Julian Assange has instructed his lawyers to carry out a legal action in order to protect the rights of WikiLeaks, Julian himself and all those currently being investigated."

 Mr Assange, a former computer hacker, was granted political asylum by Ecuador after its ministers agreed he was facing persecution and the possible death penalty in the United States.

But he remains holed up in the embassy in Knightsbridge, surrounded by police who want to arrest him for breaching his bail conditions.

Embassy workers could be seen opening windows to a balcony and were heard to be testing microphones, prompting speculation the statement will be made from the first floor.

A heavy police presence could be seen on the streets of Knightsbridge as dozens of officers, aided by helicopters overhead, sought to maintain calm.

A huge scrum of press had also gathered outside the embassy, behind Harrods, as the world's media waited for the Australian in the blazing sun.

Dozens of reporters, photographers and television crews were barricaded in metal pens directly opposite the building.

A small number of supporters had gathered alongside while scores of tourists and onlookers stopped to take pictures of the extraordinary scenes.

"It reminds me of Evita about to address the people," one onlooker remarked.

William Hague, the Foreign Secretary, said the Australian would not be allowed to fly to his newly adopted country and must answer rape allegations in Sweden.

The case has provoked a diplomatic stalemate between London, which has said it was "disappointed" by the long – awaited decision, and Quito, which has accused Britain of threatening to storm the building to seize Mr Assange.

The saga has been going on for almost two years, since Mr Assange was accused of raping and sexually assaulting two women on a visit to Sweden where he was promoting his whistle – blowing website.

He was arrested in London in 2010 but fought extradition to Sweden all the way to the Supreme Court, fearing it was a pretext for him to be sent to the US where the authorities were incensed by his release of thousands of confidential diplomatic cables.

After the court rejected his last appeal in June, Mr. Assange walked into the embassy and applied for political asylum.

When he refused to come out, he broke his bail terms, becoming liable for arrest.

The WikiLeaks spokesman said the group wanted guarantees from the Swedish government that it would not extradite Mr Assange to the United States.

"It would be a good basis to negotiate a way to end this matter if the Swedish authorities would declare without reservation that Julian would never be extradited from Sweden to the USA," he said.

Ricardo Patino, Ecuador's foreign minister, has said Mr Assange fears "repression and intimidation" if sent to Sweden.

But Sweden's foreign minister has accused his Ecuadoran counterpart of living in a "fantasy world" for granting political asylum to Mr Assange.

Carl Bildt described suggestions by Ecuador that Mr Assange was subject to political persecution and might be sent by Sweden to face prosecution in the United States over the website's activities as "grave accusations".

The Telegraph

 



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