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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #30 on: October 23, 2013, 12:15:07 PM »
Thanks, Ben. It's good to get some factual information.
 

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Re: Would a Bt500 emergency-coverage fee scare off tourists?
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2013, 11:43:28 AM »
The government's attempt to launch a new regulation to collect an entry fee from foreign tourists to cover their emergency medical services could prompt tourists to choose destinations in other countries.

The concern, raised by the Tourism Council of Thailand, comes after the Public Health Ministry proposed a plan to collect Bt500 as a fee for entering the country from foreign tourists staying in Thailand from three to 30 days; and Bt30 for less than three days. The fee would be used to support a ministry programme providing emergency medical services for foreign tourists.

According to Public Health Minister Pradit Sintavanarong, currently the ministry has to shoulder about Bt200 million to Bt300 million as the financial burden for providing emergency medical services for foreign tourists.

Each year, the ministry estimates that about 23 million foreign tourists from around the world visit Thailand. It expected that if the plan to collect a fee for entering the country were approved by the Cabinet, the ministry would be able to collect about Bt10 billion.

This money would be used to support the ministry's budget to provide emergency medical services for foreign tourists suffering serious illness or injury. Under this plan, each foreign patient would be covered by Bt200,000 to Bt300,000 in emergency care. This budget would also be used to develop healthcare units and procure medical devices.

"They [foreign patients] must pay to enter the country because they have to use our medical resources," Pradit said.

The ministry is now discussing with related agencies - the National Security Council, Foreign Affairs Ministry, Tourism and Sport Ministry, Labour Ministry and Immigration Bureau - to find appropriate ways to collect the fees.

If the agencies come up with a good plan, it will be deliberated by the Cabinet before the Office of the Prime Minister makes an announcement.

But Tourism Council of Thailand president Piyaman Tejapaibul does not believe this plan would benefit the tourism industry. Instead of attracting more and more tourists to visit our country, the plan would hurt tourist figures, Piyaman said.

"Each year Thailand gets a lot of revenue from the tourism industry - but the government has never used money from this industry to develop and support tourism," she said.

Currently, many tourists bring their own travel insurance from private insurance agencies in case of unexpected accident or illness, covering them for medical services in the destination country. Some countries require travellers to attach their health insurance when applying for a visa, so that they do not have to shoulder the burden of paying fees for medical services at their destination.

"We want good tourists to visit Thailand - not the [type of tourist] who does not want to enter because he or she has to pay Bt500 as an entrance fee," Pradit said. He added that European countries and the US have supported the government in collecting entrance fees from their tourists, as they see that the plan would reduce risks for their citizens travelling abroad.

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Re: Compulsory healthcare for foreigners a matter of choice
« Reply #32 on: December 10, 2013, 04:29:50 PM »
Compulsory healthcare for foreigners a matter of choice: Poll


The poll results highlight that nearly all respondents support foreigners' right to make their own healthcare choices. Image: Gazette Graphics

PHUKET: A clear majority of Thai nationals believe foreigners should not be compelled to buy health insurance when entering Thailand, but fewer than half of all tourists and expats living in the country shared that view, at least according to the results of the latest Phuket Gazette online readers’ poll.

The poll – asking “What is the best insurance solution for foreigners entering Thailand?” – was drawn up after Public Health Minister Pradit Sintavanarong announced that related agencies were discussing a plan to charge tourists for compulsory health coverage, up to 500 baht for a three- to 30-day stay, and 30 baht for stays of less than three days (story here).

Voters in the poll delivered a wide spread of responses to the question, with 49.7% of respondents overall voting, “None, there is no need to force foreigners to have compulsory insurance for entering Thailand.”

Of the other options, 19.3% of respondents voted, “Some form of compulsory insurance, but not the proposed 500-baht insurance plan.”

A further 17.4% voted, “The proposed 500-baht compulsory insurance plan for all foreign tourists” and 13.6% voted, “A 500-baht optional insurance plan supported by the government.”

However, a whopping 80% of respondents presenting themselves as Thai nationals voted the top choice, that there was no need to force foreigners to have compulsory insurance for entering Thailand.

This opinion was matched by only 46% of respondents presenting themselves as “Local Foreign Residents” and 47% of respondents presenting themselves as “Tourists / Visitors to Phuket”.

Yet Thai nationals taking part in the poll were outvoted by more than 10 to 1 by foreigners, whose opinions varied greatly.

If the poll results highlight anything, it is that nearly all respondents support foreigners' right to make their own healthcare choices.

For the full poll results, click here.

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #33 on: December 10, 2013, 05:17:35 PM »
How many people voted in that poll?
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #34 on: December 10, 2013, 05:40:54 PM »
Four
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #35 on: December 10, 2013, 06:06:05 PM »
And probably most of them work in the tourist industry in Phuket.
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #36 on: February 19, 2014, 06:19:53 PM »
Bit more info thaks to anton k-f

The Health Card for Foreigner service is temporarily suspended due to governement crisis

The Health Card for Foreigner is, in total, 2,800 THB for the first year

You must show some proof of residence to get it. photo is also required

the following years it's 2,200 THB, as the first time includes a 600 THB registration fee.

Health Card for Foreigner holders cannot choose where they will be treated. They must go to the same hospital, not to any other hospital, for first treatment. They will be transferred elsewhere on doctor's order if needed treatment, as I was told.

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #37 on: February 25, 2014, 06:17:30 PM »
Went to get the health insurance today no problem got the health card.

you will need your passport and also a photo copy of the of the main page (mugshot) in your passport.

You pay your 2800 first then xray urine sample blood sample see the doctor.

then they take your photo with there computer and give you the card, it's a paper card like the old driving licence used to be.

That's it, i was told the medics are free. :)
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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #38 on: February 25, 2014, 09:11:53 PM »
Went to get the health insurance today no problem got the health card.

you will need your passport and also a photo copy of the of the main page (mugshot) in your passport.

You pay your 2800 first then xray urine sample blood sample see the doctor.

then they take your photo with there computer and give you the card, it's a paper card like the old driving licence used to be.

That's it, i was told the medics are free. :)

Where did you go ?

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2014, 09:29:56 PM »
Phimai - just another point - my  missis said if she goes to the hospital after 4 o/clock on a weekday or sat/sun she has to pay a small charge - i suppose it must be the same for us. Also a private room 900 bht a night.

The doctor i spoke to said if you are on medication - tell us and we will get it for you. i think they give 3 months supply in one go. The insurance last's a year then you renew it if you want to. Hope not to use it.

Good health. thaiga  :cheers
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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2014, 06:42:49 AM »
Where did you go ?

Thanks in anticipation.

Go to your nearest government hospital.
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2014, 10:36:11 AM »
Go to your nearest government hospital.

Thanks Saf.

I take it that would be Maharat in Korat ?
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2014, 12:39:50 PM »
The 'Military' Hospital near Bung Ta Lua ? Would be better.
Having said that, some of the top Consultants in Korat who feature at BKK Hospital, St Mary's etc are based at Maharat I believe.
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2014, 12:47:45 PM »
Go to your nearest government hospital. to where you live :spin
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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2014, 08:12:13 PM »
The 'Military' Hospital near Bung Ta Lua ? Would be better.
Having said that, some of the top Consultants in Korat who feature at BKK Hospital, St Mary's etc are based at Maharat I believe.

Be careful with that. I think that some St. Marys' doctors moonlight from Maharat but I'm not so sure about those at Bangkok Hospital. In any case, at Maharat they have little time for personal attention and, some people have told me, the medication is of inferior quality.
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2014, 09:14:36 PM »
Hi Saf.
For example only, I understood that Dr Bancha is a top Heart Consultant based at Maharat, but he treated me in BKH one weekday evening in a crisis and he does have a regular Saturday surgery at BKH.
Maharat is a VERY VERY busy place but they can perform the widest range of care and have a limited number of reasonable private rooms, (if you can get into one) - but on all fronts, you have to get through the queues !
The Military Hospital appears much better to me, less crowded and easier to access and I suspect it's a better option than Big M - I have a friend who has been attending for years of regular reviews of his diabetes issues there, at low cost.
These Guys aren't really moonlighting - the skills are so specialised that the Consultants move around - that's true even of the famous Bumrungrad in BKK and BKH in BKK I know.
No-one should write off Big M, but a private room is better - the wards are packed. But they can do a lot....
This 'Health Card' sounds useful.
Good info. and thanks.
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2014, 09:25:57 PM »

The main reason i joined was for the medics - if they are good brand names is yet to be seen.

stay healthy guys

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2014, 09:50:19 PM »
For udon thani it's different again

Take with you your yellow house book, passport, and if applicable, marriage certificate and identification documents of your spouse. If you can read, write and speak Thai well, then you can make the application process alone. If not, you will need to take a Thai speaker to help.

1. At the main entrance of the hospital ask where to find the room to apply for insurance. To describe the way here would be too difficult!

2. Once there, express your desire to join the insurance scheme.

3. You will be given a registration form, which is predominantly filled in in Thai. Also your photo and fingerprints will be taken. Once you have completed the form, you get a docket where the various stations are listed that you work through.

4. At the first station you now pay 2,800 baht, 2,200 for one year's insurance and 600 for your medical check. For children the insurance costs 365 baht and no health check is required.

5. At the next station, your blood pressure is measured and you will be asked about any medical conditions and allergies. In addition, your weight and height are recorded.

6. At the next station you give blood and urine samples for further investigation.

7. At the next station, the upper body is X-rayed, the images to be collected 30 minutes later at the same station.

8. Take the X-rays back to the station where your blood pressure was measured.

9. There you wait as all the results of the various tests are collated, and then you will meet a doctor to discuss any issues.

10. Lastly you return to the desk where you originally made your application to receive your insurance card.

More here: udon-news.com
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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2014, 09:56:52 PM »
Thaiga - I've passed Phimai Hospital and it looks really good - my friend has now moved his diabetes checks there from the Military H in Korat.
Ref. the medics, I can't think they'd be dubious as so many patents have ended in recent years and there are a mass of generics around at better prices - I always check mine and the missis's on the www as you yourself do no doubt. ATB
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2014, 10:09:26 PM »

Yes roger the staff was so helpful, one lady that spoke english came everywhere with me and explained what to do. the Receptionist even filled the application form out for me. But the wait is still 3 - 4 hrs, so many people when i went.
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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #50 on: March 05, 2014, 08:15:34 AM »
Some more information on the health care programme for foreigners, this time from PTC hospital.

1. I think that 'foreigner' means expat. resident rather than tourist because evidence of a Thai address is required. A wife's ID card is accepted - checked against the national computer register.

2. The cover, according to a verbal explanation, includes every accident or illness without monetary limit other than treatment for kidney complaints. The cost of dialysis is too high. I understand that dental care and health checks are also included.

3. There seems to be no exclusion of pre-existing conditions.

4. Treatment is available only in government hospitals in the Province of residence.

What to take when you apply:

1. Wife with her ID card.

2. Passport. Keep your eye on it and don't let the staff walk away with it attached to a file. It's too easy to lose in the multitude of staff and work stations through which you pass.

3. THB2,800.

4. A good book or music player according to your preference.

5. Endless patience as you wait here, there and everywhere and observe the extremely inefficient bureaucratic procedures and suffer misdirection to the next stage by unthinking staff.

There's really not too much to the application procedure when you boll it down to the essentials. One the first day you have the usual hospital vital signs check, give urine and sputum samples, have a blood test and then an x-ray. The next day you take along a shit and two spit samples. Then comes an hour long wait before you see the doctor who signs approval. After that, pay and go along for a mug shot and the card. You will then have the hospital card given to any patient and the insurance ID card.

In between the essentials are many requests for you to sit 'over there'. Stand your ground and ask 'Why and for how long?' It's very easy to find after a long wait that you've accidentally been shunted into a siding. The staff don't like such challenges to their status but don't trust their competence and stick with you requests for information.

Good luck all those who apply.
 

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Re: Health Ministry ♦ plan to force tourists to buy insurance
« Reply #51 on: March 05, 2014, 04:09:34 PM »
I put getting the medics from the hospital to the test today.

No.5 Endless patience as you wait there. I arrived at 1.30 pm there was more than 200 people in front of me.

We spoke to a lady we know, she had been there since 6 am with her husband and  he had not seen the doctor yet.

That's over 7 hrs. Needless to say i drove straight to the pharmacy 5 mins in n out.



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