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Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« on: November 23, 2011, 02:13:41 PM »
This isn't even worth talking about, but really...who gives a cra.p?  Your police have started an investigation because the captain of a soccer team made a racial slur to another player, in a game where people kick around a ball with dots on it for ninety minutes and fake injuries whenever they can?  I would think that the police have better things to do than starting investigations over words exchanged.  No offense to the Brits, but I find it interesting that the police  would even bother with such a thing. 

LONDON -- Police have begun an investigation into allegations that Chelsea and England captain John Terry taunted an opponent with a racial slur.

Terry has been accused of directing a racial slur at Queens Park Rangers defender Anton Ferdinand during Chelsea's 1-0 Premier League loss on Oct. 23, with video of the incident being posted on the Internet after the match.

The Metropolitan Police assessed the incident after a complaint by a member of the public last week and has decided it warrants a full investigation.

"Police were notified of an incident on Sunday October 23 involving alleged racial abuse," police said in a statement. "This is currently being investigated by officers from Hammersmith and Fulham."

The Football Association, which is investigating the captain of its national team seven months before the start of the European Championship, will be careful not to hinder the police probe.

"The Metropolitan Police has contacted the FA to make us further aware of their investigation into the matter," English soccer's governing body said in a statement.

"Due to this it would be inappropriate for the FA to comment until the police have completed their own inquiries."

Ferdinand, who is black, has submitted his account of the incident to the FA and said he has "very strong feelings on the matter."

The 26-year-old Englishman said he did not want to prejudice the inquiry with a fuller statement until investigations are over. But he has used his Twitter account to repost messages of support and condemnations of racism.

The 30-year-old Terry, who has not been charged by the FA, has said the alleged comments directed at Ferdinand have been taken out of context.

Terry was kept on the bench for Chelsea's 1-1 draw at Racing Genk on Tuesday night, but fans of the London club were reported to have been chanting about Ferdinand in Belgium

"It is wholly inappropriate and we do not condone it," Chelsea said.

England coach Fabio Capello will have to decide by Sunday whether to include Terry in the squad for upcoming friendlies against Spain and Sweden.

Terry regained the England captaincy from Ferdinand's older brother Rio Ferdinand in March. He was removed as captain before the 2010 World Cup over a sex scandal. Terry allegedly had an affair with the former girlfriend of England teammate Wayne Bridge.

Terry's career has been spent at Chelsea and been marked by transgressions. He was fined by the club after he and three teammates drunkenly abused American guests at a London hotel the day after the 2001 terrorist attacks.

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Re: Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2011, 03:58:45 PM »
being a Brit and proud of it.

 i am afraid i have to agree with you Baby farts.

the police in the country are f***ing useless. it is a waste of time and money.

if Ferdinand had called john terry a honkey etc it would all of been forgotten.

Sepp Blatter  said something along the lines of let them sort it out with a handshake. but the better option would be to let them overpaid nancy boys. sort it out with handbags.

racism is rife in all  over the world it will never ever be eradicated.

a black person of Caribbean decent once told me a joke about blacks it was hilarious. he never considered it racist.

blacks take the p**s out of whites. Thais take the p**s out of foreigners.

Who really gives a dam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs     



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« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2011, 07:06:37 PM »
Is this true, Police and Muslims
Now I don't know if this is true or not, which is why I'm asking, with such a wide readership on here, I would imagine someone might know.
I got this on an email, and thought it wothwhile asking.




THESE ARE INSTRUCTIONS HANDED OUT TO ALL OFFICERS AT C.I.D COURSES AND ANTI-TERRORISTS COURSES IN THE BEDFORDSHIRE FORCE/SERVICE


UK’s Bedfordshire Police’s rules regarding terrorists and dangerous criminals


If they’re non-Muslim

• Consider the most opportune time of day to be able to arrest suspects with minimum resistance
• Apply all necessary force to enter the premises and arrest suspects accordingly.


If they’re Muslim:

• Community leaders must be consulted before raids into Muslim houses.
• Officers must not search occupied bedrooms and bathrooms before dawn.
• Use of police dogs will be considered serious desecration of the premises.
• Cameras and camcorders should not be used in case of capturing women in inappropriate dress.
• If people are praying at home officers should stand aside and not disrupt the prayer.

They should be allowed the opportunity to finish.
• Officers should take their shoes off before raiding a Muslim house.
• The reasons for pre-dawn raids on Muslim houses needs to be clear and transparent.
• Officers must not touch holy books or religious artefacts without permission.
• Muslim prisoners should be allowed to take additional clothing to the station.

With this continuing appeasement, no wonder it’s now predicted that
Britain will become an Islamic state by 2070.
(Time to think about your children.)

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question961553.html
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Re: Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2011, 08:01:31 PM »
being a Brit and proud of it.

 i am afraid i have to agree with you Baby farts.

the police in the country are f***ing useless. it is a waste of time and money.

if Ferdinand had called john terry a honkey etc it would all of been forgotten.

Sepp Blatter  said something along the lines of let them sort it out with a handshake. but the better option would be to let them overpaid nancy boys. sort it out with handbags.

racism is rife in all  over the world it will never ever be eradicated.

a black person of Caribbean decent once told me a joke about blacks it was hilarious. he never considered it racist.

blacks take the p**s out of whites. Thais take the p**s out of foreigners.

Who really gives a dam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_slurs   


Yep.  Yet, blacks have no qualms about calling each other niggas.  Try and figure that one out.   ::) 

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Re: Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2011, 08:03:09 PM »
Is this true, Police and Muslims
Now I don't know if this is true or not, which is why I'm asking, with such a wide readership on here, I would imagine someone might know.
I got this on an email, and thought it wothwhile asking.




THESE ARE INSTRUCTIONS HANDED OUT TO ALL OFFICERS AT C.I.D COURSES AND ANTI-TERRORISTS COURSES IN THE BEDFORDSHIRE FORCE/SERVICE


UK’s Bedfordshire Police’s rules regarding terrorists and dangerous criminals


If they’re non-Muslim

• Consider the most opportune time of day to be able to arrest suspects with minimum resistance
• Apply all necessary force to enter the premises and arrest suspects accordingly.


If they’re Muslim:

• Community leaders must be consulted before raids into Muslim houses.
• Officers must not search occupied bedrooms and bathrooms before dawn.
• Use of police dogs will be considered serious desecration of the premises.
• Cameras and camcorders should not be used in case of capturing women in inappropriate dress.
• If people are praying at home officers should stand aside and not disrupt the prayer.

They should be allowed the opportunity to finish.
• Officers should take their shoes off before raiding a Muslim house.
• The reasons for pre-dawn raids on Muslim houses needs to be clear and transparent.
• Officers must not touch holy books or religious artefacts without permission.
• Muslim prisoners should be allowed to take additional clothing to the station.

With this continuing appeasement, no wonder it’s now predicted that
Britain will become an Islamic state by 2070.
(Time to think about your children.)

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Society-and-Culture/Religion-and-Spirituality/Question961553.html


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Re: Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2011, 08:42:19 PM »
In the UK to call a Pakistani a Paki it is considered racial abuse and you would quite likely be charged, yet Pakistanis who have never been to Britain use the word Paki much the same as Brits use the word Brit, I tried to explain that to a Pakistani friend of mine who lives here in Thailand when he told me he had some Paki friends coming over, when I told him about the UK etc he didn't believe me.

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« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2011, 08:53:53 PM »
HAS the UK lost its identity.

The "Baa Baa White Sheep" story was a wholesale fabrication, reporting events that never happened. Nonetheless, the story "got legs" (as journalists put it) and was widely reported, modified, and re-reported by the press, to the extent that it has gained almost the status of an urban myth, being reported of people and institutions different to those of the original story of 1986. Both The Age and The Herald reported in 2002, for example, the same "Baa Baa White Sheep" story, ascribing it to a parent of a child attending Paston Ridings Primary School in London.

The original story reported a ban at Beevers Nursery, a privately run nursery school in Hackney. It was originally reported by Bill Akass, then a journalist at the Daily Star, in the 1986-02-15 edition under the headline "Now it's Baa Baa Blank Sheep". Akass had heard of a ban issued, by nursery school staff, on the singing of the nursery rhyme "Baa, Baa, Black Sheep", on the grounds that it was racialist. In his story, he wrote:

Staff at a nursery school in Hackney, London, claim that the traditional nursery rhyme is offensive to blacks. At first they wanted the 30 children aged between one and three — only two of whom are black — to sing Baa Baa White Sheep instead. But now it has been banned altogether at Beevers Nursery in De Beuvoir Road. Leaders of left-wing Hackney council welcomed the ban last night. A spokesman said: 'We consider playgroups and nurseries should be discouraged from singing the rhyme. It reinforces a derogatory and subservient use of the word "black" among our youngsters in their formative years. This is particularly important because the majority of children in our nurseries come from black and ethnic minority communities.'

—Bill Akass (1986-02-15). "Now it's Baa Baa Blank Sheep". Daily Star.

The nursery was run by the parents, rather than by Hackney council. But Akass had telephoned Hackney council for its reaction to his story, Martin Bostock, then the press officer for Hackney council, reported that he had considered the possibility of simply responding that "We don't know what this nursery is doing, but whatever they're doing it is up to them.". However, council leader Tony Millwood, according to Bostock, refused this advice and wanted to take a more supportive stance on the alleged ban, and in conjunction with the press office drafted and issued a statement saying "that we supported what they'd done, although making it quite clear that it was not a council nursery and not a council ban".

Three days later, in the 1986-02-18 Hackney Gazette, Tim Cooper took up Akass' story. He went to Beevers Nursery and asked parents there what their reactions, in turn, were to the Hackney council statement, itself a reaction to the claim that Beevers had issued a ban. Cooper's story reported one of the nursery playleaders as saying "We're run by parents and if they want us to stop singing it, we would. But there have been no complaints so far, through someone once suggested it could be racist.". Cooper later stated that there had been no such ban, but that the statement issued by Millwood and Hackney council had given the story the impetus that it was then to run with:

I think they really shot themselves in the foot. I think they issued the statement because they, or the council leader at the time, believed that the ban was in force and tried to justify it. I think that they were wrong. There was no ban in the first place. By issuing the statement they virtuall created the story, which obviously snowballed from there.

—Tim Cooper

And snowball it did. The story was carried by the Sun in its 1986-02-20 edition, under the headline "Lefties baa black sheep", with the ban attributed directly to "Loony left-wing councillors". The Sun's version of events was subsequently carried by the 1986-02-23 Sunday World. It was taken to the letters columns of the 1986-02-28 and 1986-03-04 Hackney Gazette and the 1986-03-06 Ilford Recorder, and even reached the pages of the 1986-04-04 Knitting International. Despite neither the journalists nor the letter-writers presenting any evidence for their assertions, only one paper, The Voice rejected the story in print, calling the story a deliberate attempt to discredit the council.

The 1986-10-09 Daily Mail carried the story further, with a story headlined "Baa baa, green (yes green) sheep!", reporting that Haringey (not Hackney) council had ordered playgroup leaders to attend a racialism awareness course, where they were instructed that the council had banned the rhyme with its original wording, mandating the alternative "green sheep" wording instead. This story was ascribed to an anonymous playgroup leader. From here, this new twist on the original story was carried by the Birmingham Evening Mail ("Silly bleat" and "Green sheep? They've got to be joking."), the Liverpool Echo ("Black sheep in the dog house"), the Yorkshire Evening Press ("So sheepish"), the 1986-10-10 Birmingham Post ("Racist sheep are a joke"), the 1986-10-12 Sunday People, News of the World ("Green sheep take over"), and Sunday Mercury, the 1986-10-13 Carlisle Evening News and Star ("Bernie Bleat Barmy"), the 1986-10-14 Yorkshire Evening Courier, and the 1986-10-15 Liverpool Echo ("Just Barmy") and Ipswich Evening Star ("A load of wollies!").

Again, the story was a fabrication. In fact, the playgroup leaders had requested the racialism awareness course, to which attendance was not compulsory, there had been no ban imposed by Haringey council, and there was no evidence that the rhyme had even been discussed on the course. As before, only newspapers for the British black community reported these facts. The Daily Mail's attempts to fact check the story that it had run, including posing as parents looking for playgroups and as supermarket managers wanting to run racialism awareness courses, had failed to elicit a single playgroup worker who would confirm the alleged council ban.

Haringey council attempted to get the story straightened. It initiated legal action against the Daily Mail, but was forced to drop it for lack of funds. The attempts by the council to rebut the story were ignored by the press for a week, its rebuttal only being first printed in the 1986-10-16 Haringey Advertiser ("Black sheep still in evidence"). But that was not enough to stem the tide, as the story was now running, without independent fact checking, in newspapers all across the country, from Men's Wear to the 1986-10-19 Sunday Times letters column, the 1986-10-23 Hendon Times ("Stop stirring up trouble"), and Auberon Waugh's column in the 1986-10-19 Sunday Telegraph. The 1986-10-23 Mail on Sunday letters column carried letters noting that black pudding was henceforth to be "green pudding", the same day's Sunday Times letters column noted that blackheads could no longer be called blackheads.

The Daily Mail ran the story again on 1986-10-20, comparing Haringey council to Nazi Germany. Again, the council attempted to set the record straight, with a press statement that noted the irony of the Daily Mail comparing the council to Nazi Germany when the Mail itself had supported Hitler right up until the eve of World War Two. And again, only the British black community newspapers (the 1986-11-03 Asian Herald and the 1986-11-05 West Indian News) carried Haringey council's corrections. The story continued to be carried by many newspapers for months thereafter, including The Economist on 1986-11-01 and the Islington Gazette on 1987-02-20, this time with Islington council as the ban-issuer, a fact that was explicitly denied by a council spokesman in the piece, who said "it is not council policy to ban Baa Baa Black Sheep but if individual nursery workers find it offensive the council is not the business of forcing them to teach that rhyme rather than others". The Daily Express carried the new Islington variant on the same day ("School bars boy's Baa-baa Black Sheep 'racist' rhyme"), as did the Daily Telegraph ("Boy's first rhyme upsets nursery staff"), the Daily Mirror ("Baa Baa blacked"), and the Sun ("Baa Baa nursery ban on sad little Dan") whose lead article the next day then began with "Loony left councils have given us a good laugh over the years.".

Even other political parties ran with the story. A party election broadcast for the Social Democratic Party, fronted by John Cleese, named Islington council as "the council that accused a five year old of reciting a racially offensive poem". Islington council sought an injunction in the High Court to have this material excluded, but this was denied by Mr Justice Drake. David Owen dropped the material anyway, stating that it was to avoid further distress to the five-year-old's family. Ironically, the press reported Owen's press conference, announcing this change, as "loony" David Owen "outclowning anything that Basil Fawlty could have thought up".

http://www.unitedshades.org.uk/politcial-correctness-stopped-us-saying-baa-baa-black-sheep.aspx
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Re: Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2011, 09:18:30 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2011, 09:27:13 PM »
THE golly on the jar.
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« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2011, 03:03:26 AM »
dodgeydave, our police are equally useless, especially the ones that patrol our borders.  I find it a bit absurd that someone can be charged for using a racial slur.  If I was in the UK and you called me a "yank" (which I am ;D), the police could charge you with making a racial slur?   This brings me to my next question.  Does anyone here find the term "Falang" offensive? 

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« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2011, 03:26:12 AM »
Baby Farts

i guess calling you a yank would be classed as racist. and if you complained. the police would have to investigate.  suppose it gives them something to do. they tend to ignore real crimes

http://www.xperthr.co.uk/article/66922/thick-paddy-insults-unlawful.aspx          think this proves the point. 

i think you will find the last sentence sums up the reason why people make complaints ie MONEY

on at least 3 occasions i was called falang and didn't find it offensive.

 i have been called a lot worse things over the years. i can spell them but putting them on a forum is not very wise

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« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2011, 07:15:15 AM »
Baby Farts

i guess calling you a yank would be classed as racist. and if you complained. the police would have to investigate.  suppose it gives them something to do. they tend to ignore real crimes

http://www.xperthr.co.uk/article/66922/thick-paddy-insults-unlawful.aspx          think this proves the point. 

i think you will find the last sentence sums up the reason why people make complaints ie MONEY

on at least 3 occasions i was called falang and didn't find it offensive.

 i have been called a lot worse things over the years. i can spell them but putting them on a forum is not very wise


Yes, the article does sum it up quite well.  It's the same in the states to some degree.  They just take you to court.   ::)  There is a polite way of saying foreigner in Thai.  It's "Chao-Tang-Chat."  It literally means, "foreigner."

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Re: Terry's racial comment. Listen up Toddy
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2011, 11:01:01 AM »
dodgeydave, our police are equally useless, especially the ones that patrol our borders.  I find it a bit absurd that someone can be charged for using a racial slur.  If I was in the UK and you called me a "yank" (which I am ;D), the police could charge you with making a racial slur?   This brings me to my next question.  Does anyone here find the term "Falang" offensive?
I thought it was cheeky when i first come in 2004,but as time goes by i find myself saying it in conversation about other forieners.So the answer is no.Whats wrong with BRIT as in britain,and ive never heard paddy complain either.
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« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2011, 06:46:48 PM »
Nick Clegg targets racial 'ceiling' in banks and sport

Nick Clegg says banks and football clubs must do more to end the "racial ceiling" and offer equal opportunities to the UK's ethnic minorities.

Delivering the Scarman lecture 30 years after the Brixton riots, the Deputy PM said the private sector had to do more.

Mr Clegg said greater equality had been achieved in the public sector under Labour, but "it was not enough".

He also said that his party, the Lib Dems - who have no MPs from an ethnic minority - had to do more.

Mr Clegg said that while a "great deal" had been achieved in the years since the riots there is still a "very, very long way to go" before the "war on inequality" can be won.

"The real lesson from the last 30 years is it is not enough for a society to reject bigotry," he says.

"Real equality is not just the absence of prejudice. It is the existence of fairness and opportunity too."

He targets the banks pointing out that they have been "bailed out by the British people" and "have just as much responsibility as everyone else, arguably more responsibility, to help Britain build a strong and dynamic economy. Unleashing black and ethnic minority talent is their duty too".

"Why is it that members of some of our ethnic communities want to start their own businesses, but their success doesn't match their ambitions?," he said.

"We know, for example, that 35% of individuals from Black African origin say they want to start a business, but only 6% actually do. Are they having problems accessing the loans they need?

"Past evidence shows that firms owned by individuals of black African origin have been four times more likely than so-called 'white firms' to be denied loans outright. And that Bangladeshi, Pakistani, black Caribbean and black African owned businesses have been subject to higher interest rates than white and Indian-owned enterprises. Anecdotally, we hear this is a problem time and time again."

The business minister Andrew Stunell is to bring together finance and start-up business experts to look at the barriers preventing black and ethnic minority groups from accessing loans.

"We have to work out what is going wrong, and then we have to fix it," says Mr Clegg.

Referring to the most prestigious UK universities he said "why are there over 400 more young black British men in prison than at Russell Group universities?"

On football he said it was wrong that only two of the 92 league clubs have a black boss. He also joined in the criticism of FIFA boss Sepp Blatter accusing him of "trivialising" racism.

"In football, fans adore their heroes for their talent and character, whether they are black or white," he says.

"And when Sepp Blatter dares trivialise racism on the pitch, his comments are rightly met with public outcry.

"But how many black managers are there in the Premier League?

"And in the top four divisions? There are just two, despite the fact a quarter of all players are black.

"If you are a white player you have a one in fifty chance of moving into management. If you are a black player? One in five hundred."

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« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2011, 08:18:17 PM »
Clegg  mentions ethnic minoritys. as a white Brit i am becoming becoming a minority group.

we have so many east europeans in the uk thanks to the european union. you walk around our local town they have a whole street of shops. the reason why unemployment figures are so high,is because we let to many migrants in. it doesnt matter if they cant take care of there selves our state will.

other countries look after there nationals before foreigners

us brits have a reputation of being p**s heads. you should see the east europeans drink in the parks etc .

why does everything to do with racism always come down to black or white. are there no more ethnic groups?

Clegg also mentions there is a one in 500 chance of a black player becoming a football manager. surely the color of a persons skin will not dictate if he will be a manager. there might be 100 good reasons why blacks do not make good managers.

he also mentions there are 400 black people in prison then at russel group universities. again surely there is a reason for this. even in the uk we do not lock innocent people up.


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« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2011, 08:53:11 PM »
Groups hold Glasgow march and rally against racism

Trade unionists, politicians, faith and community groups have marched through Glasgow in a demonstration against racism and fascism.

The Annual St Andrew's Day Anti-Racism March and Rally set off from Glasgow Green for a rally at Glasgow Film Theatre in Rose Street.

It has been organised by the Scottish Trades Union Congress.

The leaders of all of Scotland's main political parties also sent messages of support to the marchers.

First Minister Alex Salmond said: "The theme of this year's event, No Racism - There is a Better Way, sends a strong message to the people of Scotland and beyond that there is no place for racism in our society and that we must all stand united in our quest to rid Scotland once and for all of all forms of bigotry and discrimination."

Iain Gray, leader of the Scottish Labour Party, said: "Racism exists in Scotland today. Let there be no doubt about it. And as long as that is the case we must fight against it. We can never afford to be complacent."

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'My Tram Experience' Race Relations in Modern Britain
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2011, 08:41:32 PM »
The racist torrent of abuse that spewed out of the mouth of a woman travelling on a London tram has left many Brits horrified. Documented and uploaded to Youtube as 'My tram experience', the video has received over 4 million views so far. The woman, later named Emma West, was subsequently arrested and charged with Racial Harassment, after the video came to the attention of the British Transport Police. On Monday, Twitter saw the hashtag #mytramexperience trending with the majority of people shocked that such racism could still exist.

Taking into consideration the ongoing Stephen Lawrence trial; a racially motivated killing unresolved 18 years later, I question whether the video represents a mentally ill woman, or a serious level of racism in the UK?

Growing up as a British Pakistani, I have always been aware of my race. Break times at my predominately white Primary school saw playground taunts about smelling of curry and laughter at my mum's "funny Paki outfit". I never mentioned it at home as I felt ashamed and believed that somehow I was to blame. I came to understand that I was expected to grin and bear it. As I grew older, I learned to defend both my ethnicity and my right to be deemed British. Despite these devastatingly negative experiences, they faded in my overall experience of being a British Asian, I felt the UK was my home.

However, in the months that followed the terrorist attacks of 9/11, things began to change. Fear of the 'other' was exploited and racist discourse was not only accepted, it was also promoted by particular arms of the popular media. People I considered friends began making unknowingly offensive remarks about my faith. I have also been the victim of verbal racism from strangers on several occasions in the past 10 years. Highlights of 2011 include being called a "F****ing Paki" in South End, whilst out filming for work and being threatened at a Kilburn Cafe, for simply looking in the direction of someone who clearly did not like the colour of my skin.

Worryingly, the Far Right have begun to re-emerge and the growing problem of extremist groups such as the EDL is seemingly ignored. In November 2010 the first ever hate crime figures for England, Northern Ireland and Wales were published. The statistics showed that in 2009 there were 43,426 reported cases of race-related hate crimes, with an additional 2083 cases of faith related hate crimes.

Despite the shocking number of racially motivated hate crimes, the figures only provide a limited insight into the real level of racism. Hate crimes do not always go reported and it would be utterly naïve to assume that racism only exists in the form of violent attacks. Whether it be verbal, online, indirect or direct, at the work place, in our hospitals, within our education system, or on public transport, racism exists in many forms. If asked "Do you hold racist views?", I doubt that many would tick the yes box.

Sunday's incident also highlights the fact that racism is not targeted at any specific community. Following the UK riots, the age-old racist rhetoric of 'Black culture as aggressive and violent' once again re-surfaced. On 12 August David Starkey appeared on Newsnight, speaking to Owen Jones, author of Chavs: The demonization of the working classes, he stated:

'What has happened is that the substantial section of the 'chavs' that you wrote about have become black. The whites have become black'

Specifically, Starkey was referring to West Indian culture with his remark directed at the use of Patois by British youth. Starkey was clearly blaming what he phrased as a 'dominant' West Indian culture for the riots. Following the incident there were over 700 complaints to the BBC, demanding a public apology from Starkey. Despite receiving harsh criticism from Ed Miliband, no apology was ever made and the issue was seemingly swept under the carpet. Ofcom decided to take no action.

Starkey was not alone in his attitude. On 17 August John Bird, co- founder of The Big Issue wrote a piece for The Independent, titled 'Fashion has become a weapon on the streets of London'. A rather uncomfortable read, Bird echoes Starkey's sentiments and blames the riots on a loss of White culture, to a dominant threatening Black, specifically West Indian culture.

"For me one of the most significant (images) is the shorter, weaker, white boy being made to strip while a bigger black boy, or man, watches. The uniform that the white boy, and many white boys wear, is being taken from him. He is no more a human being. He is no more one of the boys who run with the riot."

Taken aback that the founder of a magazine like the Big Issue wrote with such a Victorian hand, I expected backlash or at least some sort of reaction to the piece. If there has been any, I have yet to hear about it.

Following the flurry of #mytramexperience tweets, I tweeted asking followers if they had ever experienced similar situations. I was overwhelmed with the level of responses ranging from cases of a few insulting words, to aggressive and sometime violent attacks. Most shocking were the tweets from Myriam Francois-Cerrah @MFrancoisCerrah, a writer, activist and a convert to Islam. She explained :

"Spat at, verbal abuse, swearing, one bald-headed man rolled up his paper, shoved it under my chin & told me to rethink my beliefs"

My Tram Experience


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« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2011, 01:25:16 AM »
I wonder what Lozz would have said if he were on that tram.

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« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2011, 11:43:07 AM »
I've travelled on the London Underground many times with a racial mix such as that in the video with no trouble of any kind. The woman may have had some emotional issue or something may have happened prior to the recording. What is significant to me is that she had no support from other passengers.

Many years ago, I was travelling on a bus in England when a passenger bad mouthed the Jamaican ticket issuer because he gave small coins in his change. I remember very clearly that he said, 'You people soon learn the English way. Bigger coins would have been nice'. Ticket issuers, called Conductors, were notorious for their unhelpfulness in those days but the comment seem to be aimed at the Jamaican rather than 'the English way'. The Jamaican looked hurt and confused and the other passengers were shocked into silence for a while. After a few seconds, a white passenger stood up, touched the Jamaican on the arm and said some kind words to him and the tension was diffused.

More significant for me in that event than the nastiness of a man with a chip on his shoulder was the kindness shown to his victim by a stranger.

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« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2011, 08:17:31 PM »
Racist ranting: it's the new craze that's sweeping the nation. You can even get £250 if you send in a video to the BBC and it gets used on You've Been Racially Abused

I've just seen the 'Second Racist Rant' (I've posted it here) and it's absolutely shocking, especially if you've seen the first racist rant (the one on a tram). I mean, where's the kid on her lap? She's a complete amateur!

I would link to the first racist rant but I couldn't find a version that had the little boy's face blanked out as he sits there on the Racist Mummy's lap (Racist Mummies are of course the new Yummy Mummies).

Feel free to find the link yourself, thus exonerating me from any guilt at exposing the boy's face, although, if I'm honest, having his face blanked out would only be partially to protect his identity.

It would also, I think, add to the drama of the video as you could then imagine that the little boy might be black or mixed-race, which gives the whole rant a far more interesting backstory.

The one big downside about blurring the boy's face is that it risks drawing attention away from the tweed cap he's holding. This, to me, is the essence of the video. What does the tweed cap mean? Surely it's one thing to corrupt your child with your poisonous, nauseating views on racism and a belief that all black people come from Nicaragua (or N-word-agua, as we should refer to it) but to buy him a tweed cap?! To me, that's unforgivable, that's a call to social services right there.

The last thing we want is for this country to be flooded by tweed-cap wearing children. It's my f*ckin' country! Get your tweed caps out of here!

Anyway, the good news is that after each of these rants, Sepp Blatter got everyone to shake hands and they all went away smiling. After all, racism's only a game

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« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2011, 08:25:52 PM »
i am a lorry driver and stuck in traffic  near Southall near London which has a high ratio of south Asians. A Jamicain bus driver was going in the opposite direction also stuck in traffic. said to me this is just like being in  fu**ing Bangladesh mate. which i found hilarious.

now who is the racist

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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2011, 09:12:55 PM »

SOUTHALL.you should have said this is Bangladash mate.LOL
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« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2011, 07:13:52 AM »
"It's my British country"  "You're not English"

This woman has some serious issues going on.  I've heard Americans also rant like that too, which is ironic considering the fact that almost everyone in America IS from another country.  The only true Americans by blood would be the native American Indians. 

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« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2011, 11:55:34 PM »



 
Mum arrested over My Tram Experience YouTube video locked up for "own protection"
by Ryan Parry, Daily Mirror 30/11/2011
 

A MUM was kept in custody for her own safety yesterday after a video allegedly showing her launching a racist rant was posted online.


 Emma West, 34, appeared in court charged with a racially-aggravated public order offence. Magistrates denied her bail over fears of revenge attacks.

The clip shows a woman with a child sitting on her lap on a tram shouting at other passengers. At one point she declares they should go back to their own country, saying they’re not British because they are black.

  The clip, which appears to have been taken on a mobile phone, was posted on YouTube and has been watched by millions.

Frances Lockhart, prosecuting, told magistrates in Croydon, South London, she opposed bail. She said: “There are grounds for believing that Miss West is not safe.”

David Ewings, defending, said West would be in just as much danger in prison.

But chief magistrate Gerald Ellis refused to release West. He said: “We hear a number of death threats have been made.”

Mother of one West, of Croydon, will reappear at the court on Tuesday.



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« Reply #26 on: December 05, 2011, 04:14:43 AM »
Som No Na

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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2011, 08:03:22 PM »
kill the white slag

Yobs ripped lump of hair from Rhea Page's head during High Street attack
Three sisters and cousin escape with six-month suspended sentences
Maximum term for assault occasioning actual bodily harm is five years' jail

Judge: 'Those who knock someone to the floor and kick them in the head can expect to go inside, but I'm going to suspend the sentence'


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« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2011, 05:07:40 PM »
 Somali girls who attacked a woman Rhea Page, and repeatedly kicked her in the head were handed a suspended six month sentence after the court was told that the girls, who had been drunk, misbehaved because being Muslims they were not used to alcohol.
The Somali Muslim girls, Ambaro and Hibo Maxamed, 24, their sister Ayan, 28, and cousin Ifra Nur, 28, attacked Rhea Page, a support worker, as she walked down a street to get a taxi with her boyfriend after a night out. Racist Attack by 4 Somalian Muslim Girls In Leicester City Centre all walk free from court


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Luis Suárez banned for eight matches for racial abuse of Patrice Evra
• Liverpool striker fined £40,000
• Club are 'surpised and disappointed'


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The allegations against Luis Suárez arose from the Premier League match between Liverpool and Manchester United in October. Photograph: Phil Noble/Reuters
The Liverpool striker Luis Suárez has been banned for eight matches and fined £40,000 after being found guilty of misconduct, regarding "using insulting words towards" Patrice Evra of Manchester United.

The allegations centred around an incident during a Premier League fixture between Liverpool and Manchester United at Anfield on 15 October, during which Evra claimed Suárez racially abused him "at least 10 times".

Both players gave evidence to a three-man panel, led by Paul Goulding QC, as did the Liverpool manager, Kenny Dalglish, who has vigorously defended the Uruguay player since the allegation was made by Evra to the French television station Canal Plus after the game. Liverpool's defence involved arguing that the word "negro" does not necessarily have racist connotations in Uruguay. Evra said that was unacceptable and that Suárez was being offensive as the pair clashed repeatedly in the second half at Anfield.

A Football Association statement said: "An independent regulatory commission has today found a charge of misconduct against Luis Suárez proven, and have issued a suspension for a period of eight matches as well as fining him £40,000, pending appeal.

"On 16 November 2011, the Football Association charged Luis Suárez with misconduct contrary to FA Rule E3 in relation to the Liverpool FC versus Manchester United FC fixture on 15 October 2011.

"A hearing took place from 14-20 December 2011 before an independent regulatory commission of the FA to consider the charge.

"The independent regulatory commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:

"Mr Suárez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);

"the insulting words used by Mr Suárez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);

"Mr Suárez shall be warned as to his future conduct, be suspended for eight matches covering all first-team competitive matches and fined the sum of £40,000;

"the [penalty] is suspended pending the outcome of any appeal lodged by Mr Suárez against this decision.

"The independent regulatory commission will provide written reasons for its decision in due course setting out:

(a) the findings of fact made by it;

(b) the reasons for its decision finding the charge proved; and

(c) the reasons for the penalty.

"Mr Suárez has the right to appeal the decision of the independent regulatory commission to an appeal board. An appeal must be lodged within 14 days of the date of the written reasons for the decision.

"The penalty is suspended until after the outcome of any appeal, or the time for appealing expires, or should Mr Suárez decide not to appeal. The reason for this is to ensure that the penalty does not take effect before any appeal so that Mr Suárez has an effective right of appeal.

Liverpool released a statement of their own, saying: "Liverpool Football Club is very surprised and disappointed with the decision of the Football Association commission to find Luis Suárez guilty of the charges against him.

"We look forward to the publication of the commission's judgment. We will study the detailed reasons of the commission once they become available, but reserve our right to appeal or take any other course of action we feel appropriate with regards to this situation.

"We find it extraordinary that Luis can be found guilty on the word of Patrice Evra alone when no one else on the field of play – including Evra's own Manchester United team-mates and all the match officials – heard the alleged conversation between the two players in a crowded Kop goalmouth while a corner-kick was about to be taken.

"The club takes extremely seriously the fight against all forms of discrimination and has a long and successful track record in work relating to anti-racist activity and social inclusion. We remain committed to this ideal and equality for all, irrespective of a person's background.

"LFC considers racism in any form to be unacceptable – without compromise. It is our strong held belief, having gone over the facts of the case, that Luis Suárez did not commit any racist act. It is also our opinion that the accusation by this particular player was not credible – certainly no more credible than his prior unfounded accusations.

"It is key to note that Patrice Evra himself in his written statement in this case said: 'I don't think that Luis Suárez is racist'. The FA in their opening remarks accepted that Luis Suárez was not racist.

"Luis himself is of a mixed race family background as his grandfather was black. He has been personally involved since the 2010 World Cup in a charitable project which uses sport to encourage solidarity amongst people of different backgrounds with the central theme that the colour of a person's skin does not matter; they can all play together as a team.

"He has played with black players and mixed with their families whilst with the Uruguay national side and was captain at Ajax Amsterdam of a team with a proud multicultural profile, many of whom became good friends.

"It seems incredible to us that a player of mixed heritage should be accused and found guilty in the way he has based on the evidence presented. We do not recognise the way in which Luis Suárez has been characterised.

"It appears to us that the FA were determined to bring charges against Luis Suárez, even before interviewing him at the beginning of November. Nothing we have heard in the course of the hearing has changed our view that Luis Suárez is innocent of the charges brought against him and we will provide Luis with whatever support he now needs to clear his name.

"We would also like to know when the FA intend to charge Patrice Evra with making abusive remarks to an opponent after he admitted himself in his evidence to insulting Luis Suárez in Spanish in the most objectionable of terms. Luis, to his credit, actually told the FA he had not heard the insult."