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Posted by: sowhat
« on: March 08, 2017, 11:58:40 PM »

reading between the lines the pension is already spoken for :-[
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 08, 2017, 10:16:26 PM »

she feels she has lost out the years of her life when she should have had a family perhaps with a younger Thai man.

She might still have that chance, while waiting to turn 47 to collect the full widow's pension. ;)
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 08, 2017, 08:27:36 PM »

Well i just know you've been waiting patiently for the rest of the story  ::)  if you haven't already looked it up on If you go there be careful you might end up with more than you went there for  8)

Poor old beam, her parents are putting the pressure on cash wise with no thought of her losing her husband of 19 years. While some think marrying a farang would set them up for life and never have to work again, don't always work like that.

German husband on money for Thai wife's family in Thailand

Beam tells us that Chris, her German husband, was sometimes irritable about her insistence that she send money to her parents and family in Thailand. 'My mother and father in Thailand are not so greedy like other people and did not ask but I wanted to send a little bit,' she says. Like most Thai families, Beam's mother took care of the family finances.

Her family had debts but her mother and father had good jobs and both worked hard in Thailand. 'At first I send something like 100 euros per month or something like that in old German money but when I got the job at the massage shop  :o I could send 200 euros, my family were very happy with this. Beam explains that her husband in Germany also had debts but was approaching his retirement. Her German husband worked in an engineering factory and had been in steady employment all his life.

 Beam says she enjoyed living with him and her life in Germany was happy even if she worked very hard. 'We were the good work team,' she says. Beam explains that her German husband's extended family and family from his previous relationship also placed financial demands on their resources. 'I live and work in Germany with my husband, he learn to trust me and I try to help him, this is when we made our plan to return to Thailand, to retire,' she explains.

Living in Thailand with wife's Thai family

Beam, the mia farang and her German husband returned to Thailand at least once a year and for 4 weeks she would celebrate her life with her family. 'This is the good time. Chris, he hire a car and we would go to the beach and visit the Vientiane country (Laos).'

In 2009, Chris sold his home in Germany. Unfortunately, it was just after the economic slump but the money was enough to pay his debts and obligations. It allowed him to retire to Thailand with Beam. Her German husband built a beautiful four bedroom house on land that Beam's parents had given the couple and bought a new car. With some cash in the bank and a generous monthly pension from Germany, he looked forward to contented retirement.

German man's retirement in Thailand turns sour

'It was good for the first year or two but then my father, he got sick,' Beam explains. This meant that Beam's father's income from a sales business dried up and her family began to make demands on Beam and her husband.

It is normal for Thai families to support each other but particularly in Thailand's Isaan region where daughters take care of parents. In fact, this tradition exists all over Thailand at all levels of society. 'This is the beginning of the problems,' she says. Part of the reason for Beam's father heart attack, she tells us, was financial pressure from mounting debts and he was later adjudged bankrupt by a Thai court. Her family lost their home and came to live in Beam's new house.

'My husband did not really like this but he had a kind heart,' she says. However the demands of caring for a sick husband and taking care of still remaining debts meant that there was soon conflict between Beam's mother and her husband. 'It was this and that and soon everybody not happy anymore,' she says. 'I did not know what to do, I must take care my sick father and my mother, she felt bad and worried but my husband, he can be angry,' she says.

Beam's mother even demanded that she divorce her husband while her husband began planning to return to Germany. 'I tell the truth, I was sometimes angry with my husband but also I think hard about going back to Germany with my husband when we were happy. But then I must look to help my khun pa and khun ma, it was too hard.'

No more strife as Thai love story with German man ends

The strife ended suddenly in September 2014. Beam's German husband died suddenly from a stroke as she was preparing him lunch. 'I did not even have time to say Goodbye, I just hold on to his hand before the ambulance come,' she says. Chris died on his way to the local hospital. His body was cremated and the ashes brought home to Germany.

Beam explains that her trip to Germany was a way to get away from her family in Thailand for a while. 'I wanted to go back to Germany, people said I must find about the pension and money, things like that, but I knew already that I could get only a little. This wasn't my reason. I was thinking to live in Germany but really I just want to take the flight the last time.' Staying with friends, Beam found out that Chris did not leave any further assets although she was able to receive her German husband's pension.

'I think I am lucky to find a good farang husband. I have learned many things and I am a stronger woman,' she says. However Beam is not sure if she will marry another foreigner. 'I think for me no, I will not go to Germany again so soon. I decide to wait and work in here in Thailand for now,' she says
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 08, 2017, 12:39:21 AM »

Dear marge  :evilgrin

Bit of a sad tale from about an isaan girl, a mia farang from Thailand's North east, who sadly witnessed the death of her husband who was 74 years old when he died from a stroke at home in Kalasin. She was married to him for nineteen years.

She went on a mission to Germany to check up on her foreign husbands state of affairs, thankfully she has been able to apply to receive his pension from the German government but still a sad and challenging time. Here's pt.1 of the story ...

Mia farang - no dream story but perhaps a good life

I lived with my husband for over nineteen year, she says. 'It was not so easy in this time but he was a good man and I miss him.' During nearly two decades of marriage, her husband Chris helped modestly with her family's affairs even though they were a Thai middle class family.

But after her father's stroke in 2009, he was particular helpful. 'It was good that he was there to help,' Beam tells us that her parents, while having worked hard all their lives, had little savings and many debts. It is a common enough story in Thailand.

 'Now we have my house and my husband was so strong that we cannot make a loan money against it.' But now Beam has a choice or in fact a challenge. Does she return to Germany to work? She has worked for many years in a Thai massage parlour doing traditional Thai massage.

Beam doesn't have a university degree but she is not afraid of work. Or does she stay in Thailand and run the risk that her family will again become mired in debts? And she fears that this is likely to happen either way. Or does she go online and look to find another foreign husband? She is confused and disheartened. She tells us that she misses her German husband, not just the financial support but also the guidance he brought to her family. On the other hand, she feels she has lost out the years of her life when she should have had a family perhaps with a younger Thai man. Hers is the story of the mia farang, perhaps not a nightmare story, but no dream or fairy tale either.

Relationship between Thai woman and German husband

Beam talks about her relationship with Chris, whom she married in Kalasin in 1995, after Chris spent an extended holiday of eight weeks in Thailand. 'My husband was so much older than me and I am not so strong as the other Thai women when I decide to live in Germany,' she tells us. When Beam moved to Reimscheim in western Germany, she was at once thrilled to be living in a foreign country and intimidated by what appeared to her as the strict attitude of her husband. 'Yes, yes in Kalasin at home in Thailand, Chris, he was the German man who liked to drink beer and tell a funny joke story but in Germany when we start to live in that country, he was so so serious.'

Beam explains that she adjusted to this quite well and respected the discipline that her husband showed about finances. But this also meant that Chris expected Beam to find work. 'After six months in Germany before I can find a job in this massage shop but I also took up the job as the office cleaner which was not so hard and I liked working it.

To be continued ...
Posted by: nan
« on: March 07, 2017, 08:54:18 PM »

However, i still cannot eat the same food for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Many people say Thais bore very easily and fast.  That certainly doesn't true when it come time to eat.  Like you said, Nan, they have to have their somtam.
when it's time for thai s to eat,they have to eat,or they get all :-[
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 07, 2017, 05:12:59 PM »

Here is the pt.3 of the article from about a little village in roi et. called the little swiss.
The village is actually named Ban Chan Swiss as there are many Swiss men married to Thai women living there,
The post contradicts itself somewhat as it starts off with 200 swiss men living there, then it goes down to 70, when there are really only 3.  But All of these guys are said to be living successful and happy marriages.
Hmm how would anyone know that, behind closed doors.


Ban Chan village, based in the Thung Khao Luang district of Roi Et, is home to around 500 families. Twenty-two kilometres away from the province's main city of Roi Et, the village is an ideal place to raise a family -- quiet, removed, but close enough to key facilities like hospitals and markets.

The village's name is officially registered as Ban Chan. Locally, however, it is known as Ban Chan Swiss due to the large number of Swiss men married to Thai women living there.

Some media sources estimate the village has around 200 Swiss men living there.

Spectrum visited the village which, on first glance, seems to have a demographic dominated by children and the elderly. Chan Chaising, head of the Thung Khao Luang district, says the number of Swiss men in the village is likely overstated by the media.

"We have approximately 70 couples in our village but I have to say most of them are mostly living in Switzerland," said Mr Chan. "There are only three [Thai-foreigner] couples that are living in my village. All of them seem to have successful and happy marriages."

Chonthida Hess, 51, and her husband Willy, 65, are one of such three couples living in Ban Chan Swiss. They met each other 17 years ago in Bangkok, then moved to Lausanne for 17 years together before they decided they wanted to move back to Thailand to retire.

"My wife is from this town and I heard that there are a lot of Swiss people here," said Mr Hess. "That's why I decided to move back here with her. It's known as being a little Swiss area and I think it is good to be surrounded by people who speak the same language as me. However, I only really see them during Christmas or Songkran time." :uhm

Mrs Hess tells Spectrum the only issue they have faced while living in the village is the lack of Isan food. She also misses her family.

She says her marriage is successful since her family didn't expect her to financially support them like other Thai families do.

The village may at first seem like a typical countryside community. But when walking around, one notices how the big concrete houses are mixed in with local Thai-style houses -- signs telling of who exactly owns these residences.


While working-class Isan women have long been the typical candidates for these cross-cultural marriages, a new trend now involves foreign men marrying young students, particularly those enrolled at performing art schools in the northeastern provinces.

"I found out that the new risk group is students who are in performing arts and drama schools in Isan," Ms Dusadee explained. "That's generally because they are often invited to perform in other countries and they also have great opportunities to work abroad with their skills. Many of them marry local men in the countries that they go to."

For this reason, Khon Kaen University is working together with the MSDHS's Department of Women's Affairs and Family Development (DWF) to help ease these women into making life-changing decisions like marrying foreigners or moving abroad.

Every year, students from the Kalasin College of Dramatic Arts are invited as cultural ambassadors to perform Thai dance in Japan, says Pongsapol Kanchanda, the college's deputy director. Many students will get jobs there as performers and stay on in the country for long term. They often end up marrying Japanese men if they can find work in Japan.

"Many of our students who graduate high school here usually get a job in Japan, while students who graduate with bachelor's degrees with us usually get a job in Germany, the Netherlands or Switzerland," Mr Pongsapol explained.

"I know that many of them get married to local guys in the country where they go to, but I don't know if they turn out to be successful marriages. That's why I think the workshop that the MSDHS is launching with us will be a useful tool in the future when they get into that situation. I want them to be smart and immune from trouble."

At the MSDHS workshop, the students get to learn about the challenges of living abroad and what they need to know to prepare themselves for encountering new cultures and languages.

Patcharee Arayakul, the DWF director, tells Spectrum that she doesn't want to stop young girls from pursuing their dream to marry a foreign man. She just wants to make sure they know what they are getting into.

A study from the immigration police shows there are two million Thai people living abroad. The study doesn't disclose how many of this number are Thai women married to foreigners. But Ms Patcharee, who has met with large networks of Thai women in Germany and France, says they must constitute a high number of them.

"Germany has the most Thai women living there," Ms Patcharee explained. "They have a strong support network which I work with in order to get information and offer help. When I visited these women in Europe, I found the number one problem many have is a lack of legal knowledge. They don't know what to do or who to run to after they get a divorce. It is sad to realise that many of them choose not to come back to Thailand only because it will be a big embarrassment for them. They end up staying here to search for a new guy to marry."

The DWF is now setting up a smartphone app named YingThai for these women to get legal advice when they encounter a problem.

They are also starting to organise a workshop for arts school students in northeastern Thailand. The lessons will draw from the findings of Ms Dusadee's work. She is working on developing more approaches to help women make the big decision to move abroad.

"I won't stop anyone from going abroad," Ms Dusadee said. "They have the right to go wherever they want to. But what I am trying to do is equip them with the intellectual weapons that they need in order to survive in countries they know nothing about.

"Along with giving them knowledge on how to go about living abroad, I also plan to educate and encourage the families of those who are living abroad to lower their expectations. Just because they are living abroad doesn't mean that they are rich and being married to a farang doesn't mean they will have money.

"If the parents and family can lower their expectations and allow their daughters to live their lives, the marriage will be more sustainable and everyone can truly live happily ever after," she added.
Posted by: Baby Farts
« on: March 06, 2017, 07:35:54 PM »

i don't think for one moment any thai woman is happy in a strange land, as most are family oriented, somtam, thai food, different climate, cruel to take her out of her environment to go to another country and be worse off than home.

I call this the, "Thai comfort zone." Most Thais have no idea that the grass (in a lot of cases) is greener on the other side.  My mother has several Thai friends who immigrated to America (Colorado).  When she tells them about me living in Thailand, they ALL say, "Why does he want to live there?  I'd never go back to that place."  No joke.  Unfortunately for some Thais, they meet up with the wrong fella like the one mentioned in this post. 

This is not a put down, but most Thais I know do not want change.  They fear it until they step foot out of Thailand and see the real world.  Their eyes are opened to a whole new set of cultures.  What's interesting, and holds true for the Thais I know living in America, is that you really learn a lot your home country by living abroad in another country.  I've seen a side of America that I do not like and have never seen before and would have never seen if I didn't move abroad.

I've learned a new culture by living here, but I haven't sold out my American roots to Thai culture or any other culture for that matter.  However, i still cannot eat the same food for breakfast, lunch and dinner. Many people say Thais bore very easily and fast.  That certainly doesn't true when it come time to eat.  Like you said, Nan, they have to have their somtam.  There's no crime in that, and yet I see more Thais, (mostly in Bangkok and several in Korat now) promoting and consuming other foods than Thai food.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 06, 2017, 06:30:54 PM »

how many of you guys have made a mistake and are willing to admit it

For only to be shot down by the FOH brigade - interesting thread here about that.
Posted by: nan
« on: March 06, 2017, 02:43:21 PM »

i don't think for one moment any thai woman is happy in a strange land, as most are family oriented, somtam, thai food, different climate, cruel to take her out of her environment to go to another country and be worse off than home.

i know several that wish they never went off to settle elsewhere,like the girl i know who married a frenchman,only to end up working in a sock factory in france.she has to show face with her generosity when visiting thailand every couple of years.10,000 baht to the school 10,000 baht to make merit,looking wealthy when really she has very little.bit like the braggers on thai forums speaking out the bottom of an empty glass.

how many of you guys have made a mistake and are willing to admit it > no reply< works both ways.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 06, 2017, 12:17:26 PM »

Believe it or not here's pt.2 of the same post from the which sounds more realistic, how some lead a double life trying to save face, not only for them but for their families as well. The lives of Thai women abroad wasn't as ideal as many people at home believed it to be. He might not have realised he was married to her family too


Noi, a 38-year-old woman from Khon Kaen, is the daughter of proud parents. She left her hometown of Nong Na Kham at the age of 20 to work in Bangkok. Every month, she would send home money so that her parents and siblings could enjoy a good life and secure future.

HAPPILY MARRIED: Chonthida, 51, and husband Willy, 65, live in Ban Chan, Roi Et province. It’s known as Ban Chan Swiss for the large number of Swiss men married to Thai women living there.

Noi had a high school diploma and a decent command of English. She didn't have a large variety of jobs to choose from, but she always managed to get work and send home enough money to cover her family's living expenses and her siblings' education.

After six years of working in Bangkok, Noi moved to Pattaya for a higher-paying hotel job. It was here where she met Michael, a hotel guest from Germany. They went on one date and vowed to stay in touch. He returned to Pattaya once a year and, after his third visit, Michael asked Noi to marry him.

Noi's parents were delighted to hear the news. Several women in their village had married Westerners and seemed to have a better life. They were anticipating the same for Noi.

The family home.

The couple got married in Khon Kaen, then moved to Germany together. That's when she realised that Michael had neglected to tell her certain details about his life in Germany. "He has no home," said Noi. "He basically lives in a motor home in a park. We sell vegetables at the local market for a living. The money is only enough to support ourselves. I have barely any money to send back home."

Noi occasionally uses her Thai cooking skills to earn extra money. She works several jobs, from cooking to cleaning, to gather enough money to live and send home to her family.

"The scary part for me is coming closer to the time when I have to go back home to Khon Kaen," Noi said. "We only have enough money to buy round trip tickets, but not enough to give to my family. So we end up borrowing money every time we come back to Thailand in order to convince my family that I have a good life in Germany."

For the month that she returns home, Noi is expected to treat her family of 12 people every day, from taking them out for meals and drinks to buying them new clothes. She must also help renovate the family home and start building a new one on her parents' land.

This shows her neighbours that she leads a comfortable life.

"It's all about saving face," Noi explained. "I have to do all this so that my parents won't be embarrassed. It's an exhausting act -- I have to convince my family that I have a good life when I don't. We have to work hard to pay off the debt every time we come back from Thailand."


Dusadee Ayuwat, an associate professor, was born in Roi Et, where many women in her village are married to Westerners. She remembers these pairings being popular since she was young.

For 30 years, she has held a teaching job at Khon Kaen University. Her area of interest is the population and migration of Isan women. Her work has produced an extensive body of research since the Ministry of Foreign Affairs first reached out to her to study such issues.

As the government noticed a trend of Thai women moving abroad with foreign husbands on the rise, Ms Dusadee was asked to use data from her research to help prepare these women for a life abroad.

In her travels to several European countries for field research, she realised that the lives of Thai women abroad wasn't as ideal as many people at home believed it to be. She found that over 90% of Thai women married to Westerners had been in unsuccessful marriages with Thai men. They described their ex-husbands as lazy and irresponsible.

For many of these women, the reason they chose to pursue Westerners was the imagined financial security that came with it.

"In the past, the trend was that Thai women over the age of 40 who had been married at least three times got married to older foreign men," Ms Dusadee explained.

"Then the trend shifted towards younger Thai women marrying older foreign men. But now the trend is Thai women and foreign men of the same age marrying. The men are mostly young backpackers who come to Thailand on vacation. No matter how much the trends have changed, the women consistently equate farang men with money.

"The real challenge for cross-cultural marriages is dealing with the cultural differences. Foreigners don't understand that when they marry a Thai woman, they become married to her family too. They then have to support her family the way these women do before they get married."

Her research also found that only a small group of Thai women get married with rich foreign men. Most Thai women in these marriages end up with middle- to lower-class men.
Posted by: Johnnie F.
« on: March 06, 2017, 08:59:27 AM »

"I couldn't speak German and I had a limited knowledge of English," said Mali.

That's the point, where I find the story totally implausible. She would never have gotten a residency permit (longer than 3 months) without having passed the A1-test at the Goethe-Institute in Bangkok first, even when married to a German. There is no way around that: Immigration officers in Europe are not less careful than those in Thailand: they're stricter! Even the Schengen-Visa for a 3-months-visit is hard to get without a garantor and showing proof of the will to return to Thailand after the visit. And the garantor who brought her first to Europe, in case she overstayed, would have gotten into huge trouble, after the authorities found out, which they must have, when she left again for Thailand.

It rather appears to me that she might have gotten into a parallel society of criminal Thais in Germany, who managed the residency permit by (yearly) invitations and garantees for her. And even in those parallel societies there usually are (native Thai) social workers, employed by the German government, attempting to watch out for situations like forced prostitution or slavery, as alleged in the article, etc. There are lots of exchange programs with the Thai government for police and social workers. There must have been a lot different or at least very much more to that story, if not made up completely!
Posted by: thaiga
« on: March 05, 2017, 03:41:48 PM »

Interesting story about an isaan girl fed up with her thai dinking no working husband. She divorces him, gets work in Bangkok, meets a German guy, marries him and goes off to germany, then plays the game of pass the parcel, he sells her to a friend and when he's had enough he sells the poor girl on again.

I thought I would live a glamorous and happy life in Europe with the man I loved, but in fact it was nothing but a living hell. Here's part 1. of the story from the This one has a happy ending. Some foreigners don't understand that when they marry a Thai woman, they become married to her family too.

Tied in a knot: the Thai wives who go abroad

After 12 years in a bad marriage, Mali, a 33-year-old woman from Kham Ta Kla in Sakon Nakhon, made a bold move that many women from her village would never dream of doing. Getting a divorce bears a heavy stigma in a culture where special emphasis is placed on remaining a virgin before marriage. It's hard to find Thai men interested in dating female divorcees.

But Mali had had enough of her abusive Thai husband who would spend all day drinking and was incapable of working. She divorced him to seek a better future for herself.

She realised no Thai men from her own village would want to pursue her as a partner, so she decided it was best to put her past behind her and start a whole new life in Bangkok.

In 2006, Mali moved to Bangkok where she found work at a restaurant in the Sukhumvit area. A majority of her clients were Western men. With a fit body and pretty face, it wasn't hard for her to get male attention.

One day at work, she met a German man named Hunt who was enamoured of her straight away. At that point, Mali's English-language abilities were limited, so she spoke to Hunt with the help of a friend who knew some German and some English. Hunt knew he wanted to date Mali, but she told him she was still married and, besides, she already had a daughter.

But Hunt didn't mind the fact she wasn't a virgin. She agreed to go out with him.

Over the course of three months, they both fell madly in love. They got married not long afterwards and moved to Germany together.

That's where Mali's Cinderella story took a terrible turn -- she was sold off by her husband to another German man.

Mali's tale of leaving Thailand is what many Thai girls, particularly from the Northeast, dream of. In this part of the country, the job market is limited and the minimum wage low.

In a place where well-paid jobs are nearly impossible to come by, marrying a Westerner is considered the next best way to get out of poverty. But not many people know what these women have to go through and how many of them end up in broken marriages.


After three months of dating, Hunt asked Mali to marry him. He wanted to take her back to Germany with him. Mali felt a love she had never experienced with her ex-husband.

Shortly after, they got married in two ceremonies -- one in Sakon Nakhon and one in Germany. The first few months of married life seemed to go smoothly for the couple.

Then Hunt turned abusive. He started to get upset with seemingly everything that Mali did. After three years of a bad relationship, Hunt had enough of Mali. He wanted to get rid of her.

"I couldn't speak German and I had a limited knowledge of English," said Mali. "One time, I saw Hunt talking to Frank, his friend. They were looking at me and pointing at me, but I had no idea what they were talking about. The next day, Frank came back with money in his hand. He gave the money to Hunt and told me 'let's go'."

Mali had no idea what was happening in the moment. Hunt simply told her to pack up her belongings and get out of the house. She was confused but followed his instructions.

She was driven to Frank's house where, after a week of staying there, she realised she had been sold off by Hunt. From thereon in, she performed the role of the "good wife" -- cleaning, cooking and having sex with Frank. She had barely known him before then.

They lived together for two years before Mali was sold off to another man -- discarded like expired goods. She had no negotiation power and no safe place nearby to flee.

So she went along with the men, having no other choice.

"I missed my family so much, especially my daughter," said Mali. "I wanted to go home but I couldn't. I didn't have any money at all. I thought I would live a glamorous and happy life in Europe with the man I loved, but in fact it was nothing but a living hell."

The third man got tired of Mali within a year. She was sold off yet again to his friend named Mike. Of all the German men she had been with, Mike seemed to care about her the most sincerely. He helped send her to language schools, where she learned both German and English. He cared enough to ask Mali how she ended up in this life.

After six years of being moved around from one house to another, Mali felt she had met a man who truly loved her. With him, she knew she would never be sold off or exploited again.

Mali lived with Mike in Germany for four years before moving to Sakon Nakhon to build a house in her hometown. At the age of 44, she had made her dream life come true.

Surrounded by her loving family, Mali and Mike now live happily in Kham Ta Kla.