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« on: May 01, 2020, 01:58:33 PM »
Pattaya bargirl’s fairytale cut short by coronavirus  pattayamail.com


3 girls look sadly at the darkened empty beer bars where they worked. Some of them may never reopen again.

It was almost a fairytale ending for 23-year-old Nid. An Issan farmgirl turned Pattaya bargirlfell in love with a boyfriend who was about to sweep her off to a better life in England.

And then the coronavirus hit.

Queuing up for handouts of rice and eggs this week, Nid, who came to Pattaya from MahaSarakham two years ago, came so close to fulfilling the dream so many young women from Thailand’s northeast have imaginedfor 50 years.

While Pattaya’s adult entertainment industry has turned mercenary over the past decade, it wasn’t always that way. Decades ago, the goal wasn’t to score as many lady drinks as possible or find a customer to entertain for a half hour. It was about finding a young, handsome foreign husband.

Unlike most of the women in her South Pattaya beerbar, Nid wasn’t an single mother. She worked in the bar to pay for college. But long before the pandemic, business had become so bad she had to quit school, saving what money she could after expenses in hope to returning some day. But then business got so bad, she had to take a second job.

Then, one night, a young Briton walked into her bar and her luck changed. The two struck up a relationship. Plans were laid. Visas were planned. He showed her British university websites and told her she could enroll there.

At the same time, the novel coronavirus had begun its hurricane-force sweep across the globe. Before they knew it, airlines were canceling flights and governments blocking entry from virus-hit Asia. Her beau quickly had to pack his bags and get home before Britain closed the borders.

Nid was left behind. Her bar closed and her boss said it would never reopen. She applied for the government’s 5,000-baht a month casual-worker handout, but bar workers don’t qualify. Braving a threatening thunderstorm Wednesday, Nid joined the line of the hungry and unemployed seeking free food handouts.

Nid said she feels no shame in taking charity. So many people are in the same boat she said. The entire country is suffering. And now that the government has extended its emergency decree another month and slowed Pattaya’s planned reopening plans, she said the pain will only worsen, especially among bargirls like her.

Many of her friends were lucky enough to get home before the government halted interprovincial buses and trains. She had lingered in Pattaya until it was too late.

Locked down in her tiny rental room, alone, Nid pines for both her mother and boyfriend, both of whom she can only see via video chat.

She does have an aunt in town and goes with her most days to seek out free food. But the stress has been tough to handle and, at one point, Nid ended up in the hospital. She predicted many others will end up in the mental ward if the government sticks to its strangling lockdown for all of May.

For Nid, each day has become about survival. There’s no more tought of an English fairytale ending. The coronavirus pandemic is worse in the U.K. than Thailand and her boyfriend is locked down with his family, probably for months, she said. He’s not coming back.

“I wish him best of luck and hope that I will see him again some time,” she said.

Instead of England, Nid simply hopes to make it back to MahaSarakham. Some regional trains will begin running again May 3. Flights also are resuming, although at prices she can’t afford. Eventually, she’ll get a bus.

Nid is done with Pattaya; done with bars. She hopes now to get home and tend vegetables. With the world upside down, she said, no one knows what the future will look like when it turns right-side-up again.
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Re: covid stories - This is a last call for Paramedic Paul Cary
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2020, 12:18:07 AM »
There was a powerful and solemn tribute for the paramedic from Colorado who died in New York City while volunteering in the fight against COVID-19. Paul Cary arrived last month from his hometown of Aurora to lend a helping hand -- and on Sunday he was honored for his incredible sacrifice.

In late March, 66-year-old Cary dropped everything when he received a call to work as part of Ambulnz's State of New York COVID Response team. He died on April 30 from complications of the virus.




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During the pandemic, some people seek the spiritual belief to help them get through the tough time. Like some people in the south west of Ireland, who are returning to holy wells for a bit of hope.

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Re: covid stories - Thai bar girls - we will never give up
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2020, 12:43:23 AM »
Pattaya bar girls set up mini business to ride out crisis


The girls proudly tend to their BBQ stand. The profits are small, but the pride it instils is priceless

We read so many stories about the plight of the working people who have been hit so very hard by the coronavirus economic collapse. I think we have eventually stopped comparing professions as to who is suffering more than the other.

It doesn’t really matter what job you held or how much salary you made before the coronavirus forced your workplace to temporarily shut down or close indefinitely. The end result is, you’re out of a job and you have no money to feed yourself or your family.

The coronavirus doesn’t distinguish the rich from the poor, the upper echelons of society nor the common labourer. It’s almost like the luck of the draw. And if you don’t want to lose, then you shouldn’t gamble.

To stop people gambling with their lives, the government declared the emergency decree and put this country under lockdown.

As disastrous as it is for the economy and the livelihood of every person in this country, the decision had to be made.

By doing so, the economy went into a tail spin. Overnight the whole country came to a standstill. Only people who had enough money stashed away could hold out for a few months or even years. But for the common man it was like smashing into a brick wall at top speed.

It is a time when many despaired, but it is also a time when many sought opportunities in the crisis.

There are many stories of human heroism, those who refuse to be clobbered into the ground by brutal hardships.

During this period of economic turmoil, Pattaya Mail decided to meet with some of the working people who have been so rudely uprooted from the comforts of their daily lives and destroyed whatever they had of their livelihoods.

We spoke to a girl by the name of Nuanchan, a native of Korat who came to Pattaya to seek her fortune or just to make a living, whichever came first.

Nuanchan worked in a bar on Thappraya/Jomtien Beach Road. The life of a bar maid and the income were not something she had dreamed of, but it was just enough for her to live on and possibly send a little back home to her mother.

Nuanchan told us that she had lost her job 3 months ago, when the COVID-19 was just beginning to rear its ugly head in Thailand. “I didn’t think that this problem would last and that I could hold on until things came back to normal and I could work again.

“But as time passed, things looked dimmer than ever. I was running out of the little savings I had and I could not borrow any money from the other girls because they were suffering too.

“Then I heard that I could apply for the 5000 baht help package from the government. So, I tried. Some of my friends got the money, but I still haven’t and honestly, I don’t think I will,” she said dejectedly.

“What was she going to do next?” she thought. She tried working as a freelancer, but there were no customers around, so there was no income.

“I even stood in long lines waiting to get handouts of free food given out by various business people and associations. I felt a little ashamed as I never dreamed that I would ever have to get food handouts like this.

“In the end, our inner pride kicked in and my friends and I decided that we would go into business for ourselves. Nothing big, just earn enough money for food and a few necessities. We decided to setup a simple barbeque in front of the bar where we worked.

“The mamasan of the bar looks after us as if we were her children. Even though the bar is closed for business, she lets us stay with her. She is really very kind to us.

“We sell BBQ pork sticks and somtum with sticky rice. The girls take turns attending to the shop. Running a business is so much fun.

“The profits are negligible, but we are proud of what we are doing and it keeps us busy.

“We thank our parents back home for having taught us the basic skills of cooking and with that talent, we are confident that we will never go hungry.

“My friends and I are fighters,” Nuanchan said with conviction. “We come from different parts of Thailand, but we are tough Thai girls and we will never give up. We have the will and we will always find the way.”

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Brit, 35, marooned on snake-infested island for two months and forced to forage for food due to coronavirus lockdown
A BRIT has been left stranded on a remote snake-infested island for TWO MONTHS due to the coronavirus pandemic. Natalie Poole, 35, is stuck on Kyun Pila, in Myanmar, with four others after the last boat off the island was suddenly cancelled.


Natalie Poole is stuck on Kyun Pila, in Myanmar, with four othersCredit: Facebook/Natalie Poole

The volunteer worker, from Ashburton, Devon, said she and her fellow castaways are now taking things  "day by day".

For the last two months they have been forced to survive with hardly any aid in one of the world's most isolated locations.

They share the island with scorpions, snakes, wild boar and monitor lizards.

Natalie revealed: "The hardest thing for me has been not knowing how long we're going to be here.

"It's kind of up and down, we're a very small group of people and we're living in a very confined, close situation.

"In the back of our minds is obviously families back home and stuff, which adds to the tension a little bit.

"We're just trying to take things day by day."


They have built a forest camp with stuff that washes up on the beachCredit: Facebook/Natalie Poole

The volunteers headed to the remote island to help protect a coral reef for the Ocean Quest organisation.

They were due to be rescued on May 5 but then their boat was cancelled when Thailand extended its lockdown.

They are no waiting for news on when the next ship can get to them off the island which has been their home since March 19.

Natalie today posted on Facebook: "Please help me get home. There is a boat leaving here on Monday but they wont let me on the mainland without booked flight tickets home.

"There are no flights and rescue flights full or require you to buy tickets in person in Yangon (Myanmar).

"It is a 6 hour boat ride and a domestic flight to Yangon from here and most rescue flights being posted with only a few days notice.

"I can wait a little longer but then if the weather changes here, the boat journey could become impossible..... so complicated!"

Natalie - who is also a scuba instructor -   should now be back in Britain ahead of working as a summer school teacher.

Now the group have turned into real-life Robinson Crusoes by transforming their forest camp with bamboo and what washes up on the shore.

The camp is about a 15-minute dinghy ride away from Awei Pila, the only resort on the island, which has closed because of the outbreak.

They have been receiving a few food parcels to keep them going but only the bare minimum, Natalie revealed.

"We have to be very aware of how much we consume, we are eating very basic food and really having to make it last," she said.

To survive they have to forage for most of their food, including yams and jackfruit.

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Re: covid stories - the Farang in the free food queue
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2020, 06:32:09 PM »
is this article a kick to a man already down. sleeping with a bunch of bar girls in a one room apartment. you gotta hand it to the thai people, most have a big heart. The British embassy, what a joke. before judgement it could happen to anyone, who knows what will happen.
good luck john.


Farang in the free food queue

Not far from the Land Office in South Pattaya, a straggly line of perhaps 400 Thais wait patiently in line for the food handouts scheduled for four o’clock. That’s because the sun is sinking. Amongst them is a down-at-heel Englishman in very late middle age, his eyes fixed firmly ahead as he shuffles along whilst keeping social distance from his neighbours. Two Thai volunteer policemen keeping order totally ignore him.

His name is John and he comes from Yorkshire. He was made redundant from a factory last year and decided to blow his lump sum on a once-in-a-lifetime holiday in Thailand. He started off last December in Pattaya’s four star hotels but rapidly dropped down the Trip Advisor star ratings as his cash shrank before disappearing altogether. He currently lives in a single room with a group of out-of-work bar workers who, he says, took pity on him.

John seems to have made every mistake in the book. Certainly most of them. He wasted his resources on booze and one night stands and failed to renew his visa before March 26, thus falling outside of the immigration bureau’s free amnesty programme. In any case, he sold his passport for 200 baht some weeks ago to a Thai stranger who said he had a very fine collection of them.

Helplines aren’t of any use to John. He did phone the British embassy but did not get any further than a series of recorded voices telling him how busy everyone was. In any case, all embassies can do in such cases is to offer to contact friends or relatives for supportive cash and John, a divorcee, hasn’t got either. He also claims to have contacted the Samaritans. A volunteer did listen sympathetically but then advised him to contact the British embassy.

Sooner or later, of course, John is going to be arrested for immigration offences. The procedure then is well-attested: a court appearance, a short local prison sentence and a much longer sojourn in the Bangkok immigration detention center awaiting deportation and blacklisting. Since the Thais don’t pay for the airfares of criminals, John could be in for a long wait. Embassies these days don’t pay air fares directly but usually have access to charities. The process can take months for obvious reasons – “pour encourager les autres”.

John says he is in no hurry to return to UK where he has nothing positive to look forward to. “Thais are very friendly and the only people who reject me are other farang,” he says. “I intend to give myself up eventually, but I’m actually happier now than when I had a full wallet.” He adds that the current lockdown in Pattaya isn’t too bad as there aren’t any tour buses clogging the roads and “there’s nothing to waste your money on anyway.”

It’s John’s turn now. He examines with obvious relish his small plastic bag containing fried chicken, tinned fish, a packet of biscuits and two mini bananas, commenting, “You won’t believe this, but I used to be a strict vegetarian.” As he departs, he pulls his face mask firmly down over his chin. “I feel quite safe with this on. Nobody can recognize me, you see.”

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Re: covid stories - This new world looks horrid
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2020, 05:12:36 PM »
it's danaboutthailand.com - an interesting article that might relate to a lot of us in some ways - he's found a life he never knew and don't want to come down to earth, he likes the way it is. Maybe all this lock down has done is allowed me to discover myself and what I really want from life? - is he living the dream - My day begins before 6am and I am in bed by 830pm, by 9pm I am asleep – exhausted but very content. good luck to you dan.

How this lock down improved my life and why a return to normality risks losing it all

As there appears a glimmer of light to the end of this pandemic, life for many can begin to resemble some normality again – and I am dreading it. Of course the world needs to recover and economies have to rebuild. I write only about how this lock down surprisingly turned into my golden era, on every level my life and my families life improved.

To compound my dread of things returning to ‘normal’, when I see images of people needing an app for clearance to enter shopping malls and seeing plastic divides on restaurant dining tables; it is a world I am in no hurry to join again. This new world looks horrid.

I find it difficult to find many positives to me returning to normality. During this lock down, helped by isolating in the beautiful Koh Chang, I have become a better version of me before. It is the strangest experience and one I must learn from and do everything I can to continue life as I now know it.

Yes, for sure, most of the world will have suffered – this pandemic has been world tragedy; but it has enlightened me personally.

Let me start with a brief description of what has happened to me on all aspects of my life:

Work Efficiency and Productivity

Through conference calling using Zoom, Skype, Google and even Facetime, I am handling about 4 to 5 meetings a day from my desk in my bedroom on Koh Chang. It is super efficient. To handle 5 appointments in Bangkok in one day would mean wasting time traveling and it is tiring. I have saved so much time. On top of that I have been getting up between 530am and 6am, so my working day has been lengthened.

It has been insane how much extra work I complete each day.  When I arrived on this island 7 weeks ago a business partner and I decided to launch a new business in Bangkok, when I leave this island after 8 weeks later this business will be fully functioning, complete with a team in place, marketing plan and customers! My business as normal has also seen great new developments and I have another new project just weeks away from launching too. Let me take a deep breath for one moment, as in addition to this, I have two additional projects being explored.

I am not gloating, I am just telling you how it is. It has been a very significant two months of my working life.

Just incredible, all in only 8 weeks. So much has been achieved in such a small window of time. Being away from my normal routines has allowed me to become super focused and efficient. I am working more hours a day, having more meetings and still having plenty of leisure time. All by cutting unnecessary clutter, like travel.
Improved Lifestyle



Being isolated on an island with my family has been nothing short of magical. It is peaceful, I am relaxed, my body in tanned and life feels great. Even though I have been working hard I also have been able to stop by 5pm and that still gives me lots of time on the beach with my family. The weekends have been used to explore the island, take in the sun, play and swim.

My ‘lifestyle’ before this lock down would have been envied by many, but upon reflection although I did lots with my time I have learned less can be more. For example, you will not find me rushing to a shopping mall on a Sunday to kill time anymore, it did not nourish me mentally or physically.
Peaceful and Relaxed

Try as I might at the end of my working day in Pattaya when my family and I take a stroll along the beach or go for dinner, I am not relaxed. I cannot find peace at the end of the day. My mind is still racing with work issues and I cannot relax walking along a crowded promenade – as beautiful as it is.

Even going into a restaurant, I feel merely part of the cog and systemically caught up in a routine that I don’t want to be in.

For all the benefits of living in a vibrant and exciting town like Pattaya, I have thoroughly enjoyed having more space with less people around me.

I need to understand how I can feel so relaxed and at peace here in Koh Chang at the end of such a tough working day? I can only conclude its from being on an island which mentally detaches you from the wider world.
Less Gluttonous

In Pattaya and in Bangkok, I am drawn into the world around me. I eat a pastry when I stop off for a 10minute Starbucks break, I have a few pints of beer with my evening meal when we eat out. I eat and drink too much, and often it is not that healthy.

In Pattaya I went to the gym 5 times a week but my results were minimal.  Here in Koh Chang I have been eating out far less, as we have not be allowed, and eating healthier. I still have a couple of beers or glasses of wine in the evening but it is minimal. I have not been drunk once in two months.
Much Fitter

I have been doing crossfit five days a week for one hour a day and taking one run of around 5km to 10km over the weekends. My crossfit is done overlooking the beach and my run is through the beautiful streets of Koh Chang. It is blissful. I have dropped from 89kg to 86k and now look like a trained athlete! Rewind just one year ago and I tipped the scales at 96kg. I have improved my work and my health simultaneously, just incredible.
I Read More

Through greater efficiencies and use of time I have made every part of my day count. It means I have found time to read each evening before I slept. I am learning new things and I have enjoyed this very much.
How do I maintain this?

The whole experience has made me question how I approached life and how I integrated into society pre-pandemic.
– I have emerged like a superhero version of my previous self, just by doing things differently.

I must switch more meetings to online rather than face to face, using face to face strategically. I must maintain my new improved disciplines and I must question everything to how life was done before. My hope is many more people do this. I am currently looking at my kids schooling as I think there are better options to how it currently operates and it also locks us as a family in to one location – in many ways, just like this pandemic has controlled our movements and freedoms.

I have read about how this lock down will allow a number of practices we did before to be reset and for us to find another way, I just wonder how many of us would have learned from this experience. I mean really learned, life changing wise. I feel like I want to reverse my life, but I have yet to work out how it would work properly and longer term.

Where I choose to live is also very important and I need to remove the barriers stopping me spreading my wings more. We do not need to live the way the world or society tries to tell us.

Life is so short and tragic that we owe it to ourselves and family to choose the best options to get the most from our time on this planet.

However fantastic my life was before this pandemic, I have learned so much from this ‘time out’ that I want to now turn the chapter to reveal a life more extraordinary and suited to what my family and I want to get out of life.  Why settle for anything less?
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Tears and heartbreak as flight ban keeps farang-Thai families apart


The ban on international flights is stopping Michael O’Halloran from returning to his three daughters and wife in Chonburi. O’Halloran is stranded in Ireland.

Foreign nationals married to Thai citizens who are stranded overseas due to the ban on incoming flights are pleading with the government to let them return so they can be with their families. Some have even contacted Nation Thailand to ask for help.


James Jacobs, seen here with his wife, is stranded in France.

Briton James Jacobs, who is stranded in France, says he wants to return to his wife Sopa, 29, who lives in Chiang Mai.

Speaking to the Nation over the phone, Sopa said her husband has been stranded in France since April, when Thailand stopped all incoming flights for fear of importing Covid-19 cases. She said she can only keep in touch with him online.

Another Briton, Alan Cheetham, who is stranded in the UK, said he wants to get back to his family in the northeastern province of Udon Thani.

Cheetham set up a Facebook page called “Thai Expats Stranded Overseas due to Covid-19 Travel Restrictions” last week and nearly 150 people who are in the same predicament have joined so far.


Foreign nationals married to Thais have created two Facebook groups – Thai Expats Stranded Overseas due to Covid-19 Travel Restrictions and Farangs Stranded Abroad due to Lockdown in Thailand – to share information as part of their efforts to reunite families.

 Michael O’Halloran, who is trapped in Ireland, said he wants to be with his three daughters, aged 13, nine and 20 months, who are living with his wife in Chonburi.

Alan Edwards, another expat who is in a similar situation, said it is unfair that families are being kept apart during this difficult period just because one of the spouses is not Thai.

“I understand that in these difficult times, many difficult decisions have to be made by the Thai government, but does the prejudice against Thai/foreigner families have to go on for so long? How is it fair that Thai people and children must be without a loved one or a parent because they are not Thai?” he asked.

Rob Kennedy, who is trapped in Brunei, said the Thai embassy there was helpful, but the high-ranking officials in Bangkok are showing little interest in his case. He said he is willing to pay for quarantine if he is allowed to return.

Kennedy belongs to the “Farangs Stranded Abroad due to Lockdown in Thailand” Facebook group, which has 300 members.

Another expatriate, who has a family in the southern resort city of Phuket, said on condition of anonymity that he left Phuket in March and now cannot return to Thailand. He has a four-year-old son who has a medical condition.

Mam, a Chiang Mai resident who did not wish to reveal her real name, told the Nation that her husband has been stranded in Canada. “My two-year-old girl often asks, ‘where is Daddy’?” she said.

Daniel Nolan has been stranded in Australia for close to three months now and can’t return to his wife and child. He said he went to Australia to attend his father’s funeral in March, only to learn he could not take the flight back to Bangkok. His spouse, Chonpiti Duangsangaram, told the Nation that their child is only 7 months old.

“My husband is missing helping me look after the baby. Now I have had to move to my father’s home so someone can help me look after my little girl,” she said.

Chonpiti said she has spoken to immigration officials at Suvarnabhumi International Airport about her husband being allowed back, but they said it was beyond their authority.

For Jaco Willem Kotze, the reason for separation was different. He and his wife and daughter left Thailand for a holiday in South Africa on February 25. However, when they returned on March 25 – he with all his documents attested by the Thai Embassy in Pretoria – officials at the airport forced him to return to South Africa because no foreigners were allowed to enter Thailand despite having a long-stay visa and marriage certificate.

“Now my wife and daughter are in Thailand and I am sitting in South Africa,” he said.

The Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand banned all incoming passenger flights since April 4 and has extended the ban several times. The latest extension is until June 30.

The government says it is worried about people bringing new Covid-19 cases to Thailand as the rate of infections is still pretty high in many countries, while here it has dropped to a single digit for several days.

The authorities, however, are letting Thai nationals stranded abroad return home in limited numbers based on the capacity of state quarantine facilities and hospitals.

Recently, the government decided to have hotels and hospitals work together on quarantine facilities that can accommodate people who want to be comfortable and are willing to pay for it. This model may also apply to foreign tourists.

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Re: covid stories - let us fly back to our love ones
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This vlog is dedicated to foreigner stuck out side Thailand who can come back in the country simply because they do not have Thai Pass port!

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Covid Interrupted: How a family’s dream vacation turned into a covid-interrupted nightmare



Dillon Pienaar knew that there was a spreading virus in Asia and Europe but at the time his home country of South Africa only had five Covid-19 cases; less than Thailand, less than China and less than parts of Europe.

It was going to be a quick holiday, a chance for his kids to see their grandparents and their great-grandmother. 22 days away from Thailand, which at the time was the hardest-hit country in Asia, seemed like a good decision.

There was also very little talk of closing down airspace and locking down whole countries outside of China.

He would spend the first few days of his holidays with his wife Jutaporn and their kids Mattis and Monique touring his old childhood stomping grounds. They spent a few days with his parents in Cape Town before taking an idyllic road trip to his grandmother’s house in the coastal city of Hermanus.

Hermanus is known throughout the world for its spectacular scenery and its whale watching. During the right time of year, Southern Right Whales and Orcas swim right up to the cliffs next to the town. It was also the perfect setting for Mattis and Monique to know their great grandmother.

But almost overnight, the outbreak increased exponentially and in the blink of an eye, all of South Africa was in lockdown. A picturesque retreat suddenly becoming a prison.

“The lockdown happened quickly and it is not like in Thailand. You are not allowed to even leave the house. If you step a foot on the curb outside your house, that is breaking the law,” Jutaporn said.

Difficult decision

The Pienaars arrived in South Africa on the 11th of March with the country reporting five cases. By the end of March, there were 1,353 cases. By mid-April, there were 4,000 cases.

It was in April that the Pienaars contacted the Thai Embassy in Johannesburg looking for a way to get back to Thailand. Thailand had shut its airspace on April 2 as coronavirus numbers approached 2,000 cases and the country entered its own limited lockdown. But the kingdom seemed to be doing a better job containing the virus than South Africa and terrifying numbers in the United States and Europe made the entire family want to “go home.”

The embassy told the Pienaars that Jutaporn and the kids would be entered into a waiting list along with other Thais around the world trying to get back. However, Dillon, as a non-citizen, would not be allowed to return despite having lived in Thailand for more than a decade, owning his own business and having residency.

“I think it’s not only unfair but illogical – we came here together, we should be able to return together, as a family,” said Dillon. “We weren’t asking for free help, we were willing to pay our own way back.”

Difficult decision

For the Pienaar’s, the family was faced with a difficult choice, either ride out the entire coronavirus case together or send Jutaporn and the kids home.

They decided that both she and the kids should return.

“The decision was of a difficult one but I made it purely for their safety and comfort – this is not our home. Our home is in Bangkok,” said Dillon. “The situation is already quite stressful and uncertain for the children and I felt they need to be home and in some degree of normalcy.”

But despite having reached the decision in April, the slow pace of repatriations and the global nature of the pandemic meant that there were no available flights until the start of May.

By that time, the number of cases in South Africa had shot up to 10,600 cases with 206 fatalities.

“We kept in close contact with the embassy until finally there was a flight available to take us home from Cape Town,” Jutaporn said. “But then we found out the flight was not even full.”

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An end may be in sight to separation of Thai-farang families



Foreign nationals who are permanent residents or hold work permits will soon be allowed to return to Thailand, a government official said on Wednesday (May 27), in response to a recent plea from foreigners wanting to return to their partners.

The authorities are currently working on repatriating Thai nationals stranded abroad, and after that it will work on allowing back foreigners who have permanent residence permit or a work permit to re-enter the country, Natapanu Nopakun, deputy director general of Foreign Ministry’s Information Department and deputy spokesperson, said in reply to The Nation’s query.

He said Thailand has to find a balance between limited resources and effectively repatriating stranded Thais, which continues to be the priority for now.

“Our repatriation mission is nearing completion, and once that is done, then we can accommodate the flow of foreigners stranded outside Thailand. We appreciate the sacrifices and regret the inconvenience caused, but hope everyone understands that even though it appears as if Thailand has won the battle against the virus, this is only the beginning and we have not yet overcome the war,” he said.

Our decision was made under careful consideration with the ultimate goal of minimising the risk of new infections as well as preventing the scenario of an overwhelmed public health system, he added.

“The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration is currently discussing the option of letting foreigners enter the country in due course. We also plan to give priority to permanent residents and those with work permits to return as soon as the situation has eased,” he said.

The government has been slowly easing restrictions since the beginning of May, with Phases 1 and 2 already in place. Phase 3 of the easing is set to start from the beginning of June. The number of new infections remains below 10 per day, with some days having no cases at all, he said, adding that this success should be credited to the public’s compliance with precautionary measures and the effective management of international arrivals.

“We hope if this situation continues, then restrictions can be eased further to finally bring normalcy to the country,” he added.

Many foreign nationals who have Thai spouses have been complaining that the lockdown and flight ban is keeping them from their families.

Barry Mutch, for instance, is stranded in Oman. He was denied entry to the country, and missed his son’s birth. His baby is now eight-weeks-old, and he can only see his partner and the newborn via video call.

Mutch said he has been coming to Thailand regularly for eight years, but works offshore on a four-week-on, four-week-off rotation. Hence, he rarely spends more than 25 to 26 days at a time in Thailand, and has never required a visa or work permit.

“My son needs a father with him. It’s tough right now. I should be there bonding with him,” he said, adding that he is willing to go into 14-day quarantine, undergo Covid-19 tests and even pay for it himself if he can be allowed to be near his family.

Foreign nationals with Thai spouses have set up two Facebook pages, namely Farangs Stranded Abroad Due to Lockdown in Thailand and Thai Expats Stranded Overseas Due to Covid-19 Travel Restrictions, which have 870 and 1,600 members respectively. They use the pages to share information and experiences as well as a platform to campaign to reunite with their families in Thailand.

Meanwhile, Thailand has extended the state of emergency and incoming passenger flight ban until the end of June, as government claims that it is still worried about importing of new virus infections, given that the Covid-19 pandemic remains serious in many countries.

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Re: covid stories - Bar for sale
« Reply #11 on: May 31, 2020, 04:33:19 PM »
time for a post from good old stickmanbangkok.com weekly column - an oportunity awaits @ nana

Opportunity Awaits At Nana Plaza
Our world is experiencing a period of great uncertainty. How long until Covid-19 is brought under control? Will there be a vaccine and if so, when? When can we get back to Bangkok and when we do, what will we find? To answer the last question, we will find noticeable changes at Nana Plaza. And with those changes comes opportunity.

There were always going to be casualties of Covid-19 in the bar area. Rumours continue to swirl about which bars will reopen and which won’t. Last week’s column listed the bars in Nana Plaza which it is confirmed will not reopen. Inside the plaza, Casanova, PlaySkool, Mercury, Rainbow 1 & Rainbow 3 London Calling will not be back. And on the outside, Hillary 4.

Empty spaces in Nana Plaza are like a 1,000 baht note sitting on the ground on Sukhumvit Road – they don’t stay that way for long.

Never before has real estate in Nana become available like this. The Covid-19 era has provided the greatest opportunity to obtain a lease or pick up a well-known bar.

These spaces are all available now. Most of the bars have furniture along with air-conditioning systems and the usual bar equipment. Some bars only need speakers.

This sort of opportunity that doesn’t come along often and right now it’s a buyer’s market.

Why should you even think about buying a bar / investing in Nana Plaza?

Opportunity knocks for those who have considered it but never taken the step forward.

The bar operators leaving Nana Plaza have done so for various reasons. Some have been around almost as long as the plaza itself and are ready to kick back and enjoy retirement. There is no “buying” the bar from the previous owner. New blood with new ideas have a chance to take over well-known bars, essentially for almost nothing.

The landlord at Nana Plaza has offered 50% rent breaks for 8 months and a freeze in rents for the near future. Yes, it is going to be a difficult period for a while so the landlord has come to the party, so to speak.

Nana Partners which operates Nana Plaza is offering flexible lease agreements which allow tenants to create a lease that works for them. Deals are there to be made with the management of Nana Plaza willing to be flexible and listen to ideas from potential tenants.

Leases signed now will come at significantly reduced rents until the tourism industry has recovered.

The leases for bars in Nana Plaza are the longest in the country. Nana Plaza leases range from 9 – 12 years. Compare that with, for example, Patpong which has one-year rolling leases and Soi Cowboy where leases are more typically 3 – 6 years.

The owners of Nana have invested heavily in the complex and will continue to do so. The roof built over Nana Plaza a few years back was a great improvement, allowing customers to wander from bar to bar in the rainy season without getting wet. Awnings were removed recently to open it up more and further improvements are planned.

Nana Plaza is a pure nightlife area and the footfall of genuine punters is greater than Cowboy and Patpong which each tend to get a lot of mainstream visitors and looky-loos there to snap photos and get a selfie before moving on, perhaps not spending even a single baht while there.

Nana Plaza is private property. Soi Cowboy and the sois at Patpong are open at each end with no control of access in and out of the area. At Nana Plaza there is one way in and one way out with a security checkpoint, making Nana Plaza the safest bar area in Bangkok.

The owners of Nana Plaza are experienced in the nightlife industry and are ready to support tenants.

Nana Plaza benefits from being home to the top two gogo bars in Bangkok – Billboard & Butterflies – and all other tenants benefit from the footfall that these uber popular bars attract.

Interest is being shown in several of the vacant spaces from existing groups and also from some newcomers.

I’m conservative by nature and I am very conservative as an investor. The worst investments I have made have been those I have looked at but then chosen not to pull the trigger on….and the rest is history. If you’ve ever thought about running a bar or entering the bar business, this is probably your best chance to secure a space in Bangkok’s most popular bar complex.

*  Anyone interested in the available bars / space in Nana Plaza, can contact Khun Supachai on +66 6-1541-9789 or by email : supachai@panthera-group.com.
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Re: covid stories
« Reply #12 on: May 31, 2020, 08:21:19 PM »
Wonderful opportunity, I am sure. But when will the punters return?
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Re: covid stories
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2020, 11:59:58 AM »
Wonderful opportunity, I am sure. But when will the punters return?
Hi T.T interesting 1 that is - i'm sure Ballroom dancing licenses are what nightclubs have. lets hope the good doctor is right and the nasty virus is losing it's power, there are lots o mouths to feed from the proceed of the oldest profession.
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Re: covid stories - Off The Menu
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2020, 12:15:59 AM »
Off The Menu is the right words - this article is well away from stickmanbangkok.com normal bla bla - in fact it's quite interesting about folk stuck in a country because the border has closed. frustrating to say the least if you have interests, family or whatever ... have a read

New Zealand went in to a frenzy this week after two Kiwis returning to the country were released early from quarantine early on compassionate grounds only to test positive for Covid-19. The test was carried out after they had driven much of the length of the north island. Don’t worry, this is not a column about New Zealand. Rather, it’s about how what is happening around the world makes me think it is going to be quite some time until any of us get back to Thailand.

The joy of overcoming Covid-19 has been celebrated in New Zealand, but we’ve become complacent. A blunder at the border allowed the virus back in.

Would we face another round of lock-down, essentially being locked up, and more economic carnage? The thought of returning to lock-down almost sent the population in to meltdown.

We are told the way to keep the virus out of New Zealand – and for life to retain some semblance of normality – is to effectively keep the border closed. But is the way things are now really normal? To be clear, Kiwis can leave the country at any time, but will face a mandatory 14-day quarantine on return.

For some of us, life without being able to travel is anything but normal.

As travel has become so affordable and so accessible, it has become something of a lifestyle choice. It is something many of us enjoy a few times a year in much the same way as some may enjoy an afternoon G&T, an evening glass of wine, or perhaps both. Having something you had become used to taken away from you takes some getting used to.

Until a few days ago I thought I would be back in Thailand later this year. New Zealand was virus-free, and effectively Thailand was too with the only known cases of Covid-19 all hospitalised. It seemed relatively straightforward for the two countries to create a safe corridor allowing Kiwis and Thais to visit one another’s country without major restrictions. I had mid-November in mind as a departure date, but after the border blunder this past week I’m not sure I’ll be doing any international travel any time soon.

The reaction to this week’s border blunder which allowed the virus back in showed how the average Kiwi is terrified of Covid-19 coming back. No-one wants to face a lock-down again.

It’s the same in Thailand where a survey of Thais this week showed that the general populace is not keen on foreigners returning at this stage. They are scared the virus will return and with it so will a curfew, restrictions on movement and more economic damage.

Like New Zealand, Australia and a good few other countries, Thailand is on top of the virus. While there are new cases of coronavirus of Thailand, they’re all Thais returning from abroad who are picked up at the border. Everyone returning to Thailand goes in to mandatory quarantine. There have been no cases of community spread of Covid-19 in Thailand in almost a month.

After what happened this week, my guess is there will be little chance of anyone from New Zealand flying to Thailand without restrictions any time soon. While nothing has been said publicly, talk of a travel bubble has gone awfully quiet.

Word out of Thailand this week is that there is no sign their border will open any time soon either. There was talk that Thailand is looking at targeting a select, wealthy set of travellers between November and February. In other words, the masses have a long wait to get back.

The ramifications of visitors not being able to return to Thailand and support those businesses I write about are obvious, but this column is not about that.

Having seen the frenzy caused after the virus returned to our shores this week, it feels like the timetable for international travel resuming has been pushed back by, well, months.

Countries which have successfully managed to eradicate the virus essentially have to lock down the border to stop the virus returning, lest the hard-fought and ridiculously expensive gains be lost.

You’re damned if you open up the borders, and damned if you don’t.

What is happening with airlines and their schedules isn’t helping. Thai Airways announced last week that its international flights would resume at the start of August. This week the Civil Aviation Authority of Thailand announced international flights would not resume until September. It’s as clear as mud.

Having seen what happened when the virus came back to New Zealand this week, the reaction of the Kiwi public to that and the damage it did to people’s confidence, I just cannot see international travel without restrictions and or quarantine returning for a long time. And travel with a lengthy quarantine period is unpalatable to most of us.

I am keen to get back to Thailand. I’m keen to catch up with old friends. I’m keen to visit old haunts. And I’m keen to actually be there on the ground myself so I can gather news & gossip and build up a library of material to use in this column. Many readers are keen to get back to Thailand. Business owners in Thailand are very keen for us to get back. But the border blunder here in New Zealand this week shows that all it takes is for one person to drop the ball and everything changes.

I just cannot see things easing up any time soon and I have given up on the idea of traveling to Thailand this year. I think that for most of us, Thailand is off the menu for the foreseeable future. I hate to say it, but if you’re outside the country I wouldn’t get your hopes too high of getting back to Thailand any time soon.
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« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2020, 11:03:15 AM »
Stranded surfer says Argentina must repatriate dogs too



(AFP) – An Argentine adventurer stranded in Peru because of the coronavirus lockdown says he wants to go home, but not without his dogs which he has adopted on his travels.

“We are waiting in Lima for a humanitarian flight that will take my pets so we can fly to Argentina,” 33-year-old surfer Michael Graef told AFP.

After walking and cycling through much of Peru for 40 days, Graef arrived in Lima, where he spends the nights with his pets in a tent near the Argentine embassy.

“I am waiting for a response from my government. They told me there are no flights and that pets cannot fly,” says Graef, from the northeastern town of Puerto Rico, which was founded by Swiss and German settlers.

Graef said he began his journey through South America before the pandemic began. On his way through Colombia and Ecuador he picked up two dogs, pit bulls called “Chamo” and “Nilo”.

“They didn’t abandon me and I don’t plan on abandoning them. I will take my pets, flying or walking, but I am going with my pets,” says Graef.

He said he bought “Chamo” from a Venezuelan as he walked through Colombia and acquired “Nilo” in Ecuador.

“I had to go through quarantine with them, looking for food. It was difficult and all that time they didn’t abandon me, even without food.”

He added: “The situation was critical.”

Graef said he wanted to travel because “I needed to get to know my America to savor cultures and people.”

Peru is the second worst hit country in Latin America after Brazil, with more than 260,000 cases and more than 8,400 fatalities from COVID-19.

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Lockdown is easing in Thailand, but the lights are still off in Pattaya's once bustling party district   
 
It's here, in the city's bars, where 33-year-old sex worker Anna used to meet most of her clients, writes Siobhan Robbins.

"Pattaya city never sleeps," she says. "Now, it is very quiet."

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Chester-le-Street dad trapped in Thailand since lockdown desperate to get home
Alan Coughlan has been stuck abroad since March - and was forced to fight to avoid paying for a second holiday as he rapidly runs out of cash


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A County Durham dad who has been trapped abroad since March hopes he may finally make it home next month.

Allan Coughlan, from Pelton, near Chester-le-Street, County Durham, has been stuck in Thailand since his flight home was cancelled on March 21.

Rapidly running out of money and enduring strict lockdown conditions, Allan, 57, was unable to get on a rescue flight back to Britian as coronavirus spread.

After the March 21 flight was called off, Allan had booked a further place on a flight out on March 30, but again his hopes were dashed when Emirates was forced to cancel the flight.

Now, trapped in a foreign country and desperate to get home to his family, Allan registered with the British Embassy for flights home, but was left mired in uncertainty as embassy bosses said they still couldn't guarantee he would get home.

Allan said: "This really has been a nightmare from start to finish. There was some limited flights to London but the prices were 88,000 upwards Thai baht [over £2,200].

"I am registered with the British embassy about flights out, on Korean air or Aeroflot to Russia, but the emails from the embassy were saying they could not guarantee your onward passage, i.e. You could be quarantined in Korea or Moscow depending on that country's Covid-19 response, plus I didn't have the £2,000 upwards cost for a ticket.

"I heard many stories of airlines booking tickets and people going to the airport only to be back at the hotel six hours later saying it had been cancelled: there was even one English guy who was sitting on a Aeroflot flight waiting to fly when he was told to leave the plane because a Russian national was allocated his seat."

Now finally booked on a flight, with Emirates on July 4, all Allan can do now is wait and hope he'll finally be making it back to the North East.

He added: "All I could do was wait for Emirates to resume flying and hopefully I will be home on July 4 now."

To add to Alan's distress, until recently he was facing the prospect of having to pay for a holiday to Mexico - despite not having made it back to the UK yet.

Long before Covid-19 hit, Allan and his 14-year-old daughter Amber had planned to take the luxury two-week trip together this September. Amber's school had agreed to let her take some time off for the special journey, but, with months of school missed due to lockdown, later rescinded permission, which Allan said was "fair comment".

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Re: covid stories - Chili paste to haircuts
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Chili paste to haircuts: Thai tourism workers improvise as virus hits travel
(Reuters) - As Thailand’s tourist economy suffers a near-total shutdown from travel restrictions due to the new coronavirus, employees in the industry have been forced to improvise to make ends meet.

Air purser Kosit Rattanasopon, 37, has traded in his cabin crew uniform for a delivery driver’s jacket, stylishly ferrying food around Bangkok on his Ducati motorbike since the Thai airline he works for grounded all flights.

Kosit makes about 1,000 baht ($31.13) per day, just enough to support his father and sister, who also cook boxed meals to sell online.

“I know things will not be the same again for at least another year, so I will have to keep doing this,” he said.

Tourism accounted for 11% of Thailand’s GDP last year, and border closures and travel restrictions to prevent its spread are expected to decimate the industry for months to come.

Those who have new jobs are among the fortunate. Some 4 million Thais work in the tourism sector, and most face a year or more of lost income until a vaccine or new coronavirus treatment allows travel to return to previous levels.

Another grounded airline worker, stewardess Thawanan Thawornphatworakul, has transformed her living room into a hair salon.

She averages two to three clients per day and charges 150 baht ($4.67) per cut. Thawanan, 36, said her income is nowhere near her airline salary, but it helps.

“The income here helps with some expenses and pays the bills,” she said.

Scuba diving instructor Sermsak Posayajinda, 47, has also found a new income source, making jars of chili paste from his mother’s recipes and selling them online.

“At first it was only a hobby during COVID-19 period, but the results have been very good, so this will become a business for us in the long term,” Sermsak said.

Closure of hotels and exhibition centres also disrupted the business of Asaree Jarugosol, 36, who rents out chairs and builds stages for hotels and caterers around Bangkok.

Asaree decided to retain all her staff by transforming her warehouse into a factory that makes 2,500 reusable face masks per day, first for local hospitals and now for exporting overseas as worldwide demand surges.

“At first we only have one sewing machine operated by one staff ... but now we have some 40 people working a proper production line,” Asaree said.

“We will continue to produce face masks even when our old business returns.”

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« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2020, 08:41:23 AM »
The highly qualified will take the jobs of the less qualified, what leaves the less qualified jobless. Good for society? It's just jobs shifting around.


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Re: covid stories - Two-Week Millionaires Needed!
« Reply #20 on: July 07, 2020, 12:20:45 AM »
time for a post from the well known stickmanbangkok.com. Two-Week Millionaires Needed. yes we know the bar game is struggling, the rest of the article is what most of us already know. maybe poor old stickman needs Two Week Millionaires more than anyone else, for his articles :(

Two-Week Millionaires Needed!
Thailand’s borders effectively remain closed. Those of us who want to visit the country cannot. Foreigners resident in Thailand can fly out, but may not be able to get back in. The bars reopened this week but trade wasn’t great. Bar owners are desperate for the return of the 2-week millionaires.

Thailand has eradicated the virus. The only people with the virus in Thailand today contracted it abroad, tested positive for the virus in quarantine and have been sent to hospital where they will remain until they have recovered. The system works well keeping the virus out. The problem is it also keeps tourists out.

Thailand’s tourism industry is huge, estimated at somewhere between 8% and 16% of GDP. (We’re talking Thailand hence it’s not that precise!) As keen as Thailand is for tourists to return, it does not want the virus to return.

When will foreign visitors be able to return to Thailand?

The borders could be opened up and foreigners willing to go in to quarantine allowed in. But few are willing to go through 14 days in quarantine at their own expense.

A vaccine has been talked about but will a safe, effective vaccine ever be produced? And if so, when? How long will it take to produce 7 billion doses? How long to distribute it? How long to administer it? Will it be effective? Will it be safe? Would you trust a vaccine that has been rushed to market? There are so many questions when it comes to a vaccine – and no guarantee one will ever come.

Travel bubbles looked like a great solution, especially for us here in New Zealand. We have eradicated the virus and could form travel bubbles with other countries which have also eradicated it such as Thailand. Both countries have eradicated the virus and both countries have the military controlling those in quarantine. It’s a perfect match….but I don’t think it will happen any time soon.

New Zealand’s preference is for a travel bubble with Australia. But that has been delayed after an outbreak of the virus in the Australian state of Victoria. Allegedly, a security guard at a quarantine facility allowed family members to visit people in quarantine, and he also allegedly had sex with two females in quarantine. The virus spread and there were more than 100 new cases in Melbourne yesterday where entire suburbs have been placed in lock-down. All it took was one randy Aussie to have put a possible travel bubble back by months.

The dream scenario would be if the virus just died out. One day you read an article where a doctor suggests this is happening; the next day you read an article saying that the virus has mutated and is more virulent than ever. As a layman all I see is the virus raging in various hotspots around the world and things – in terms of the total number worldwide – seem to be getting worse.

So how can visitors keen to visit Thailand get back? What about a series of tests both before departure and on arrival, not that dis-similar to what Cambodia has in place? That seems like a plan that would work.

Imagine if you had to take a Covid-19 test a couple of days before departure with the results automatically forwarded to the airline and the destination country. Assuming you test negative, you then get tested again on arrival at the airport in Bangkok where you wait for the results. Assuming you test negative again, you can enter Thailand and enjoy a holiday. It sounds simple and it is simple. Even if each test cost say $US100, that’s going to add $400 total to your airfare – assuming the country you’re returning to / your homeland also introduced a similar system.

Would it require all that much work to set up a lab and a holding area at airports where arrivals get tested? This is already happening at an airport in Germany and test results are available within 3 hours.

Ok, so it’s not fool-proof. Someone could test negative before departure and negative on arrival but still be carrying the virus. And no laboratory could process tests fast enough to cope with even a small percentage of Thailand’s usual international daily arrivals. It would mean a very limited capacity. But it would be a start.

Perhaps in time a highly accurate quick test which gives rapid results like say a pregnancy test will be developed and could be used without the need to send a sample to a lab. Tourism is such a big part of the global economy that a creative solution is needed. Tourism accounts for so many businesses in so many countries and these businesses will die if people can’t travel. And if enough businesses die, people will suffer…and some people will die too.

At some point even those countries terrified of the virus returning will face such pressing economic issues that they are going to be forced to reopen their borders.

The bars may have reopened this week, but as long as the border remains effectively closed to visitors, the bars will struggle. Thailand’s bar industry and the tourism industry at large desperately needs the two-week millionaires to return.
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more of a book than an article. will tourists bother all that experience, like this guy

I flew out of Thailand to get a new visa – one person’s experience with the “new normal”
My experience flying back to The Netherlands to arrange a new visa, and then staying in an Alternative State Quarantine Hotel in Bangkok.

My name is “Theo” from the Netherlands, I am 44 years old, married with my Thai wife for over 5 years and we have 2 children together. I have lived permanently in Thailand since June 26, 2014.

When I gave up my shares in my Chiang Rai business I founded in 2014 because of a “burn out” last October, I ended up – since my arrival 6 years ago – on a tourist visa. I decided to have a short break before doing anything about the situation and I visited South Africa for 10 weeks to get my energy back.

When I returned to Thailand in February, I started the process of getting a NON-O visa because I was married and had a Thai family. The plan was, and still is, that I would open a new rehab centre in Phuket in July – The Diamond Rehab Thailand – and eventually would apply a NON-B visa.

I was in the process of getting my NON-O visa then Thailand went into lockdown as a result of the Covid-19 outbreak – I was still on a tourist visa. Luckily for me and many others the Thai Government provided an amnesty on visas until the end of July (it has since been extended to September 26.

I read in the news somewhere around the third week of June that some foreigners were then being allowed to re-enter The Kingdom under specific categories and restrictions – having family in Thailand, medical tourism etc. I took my chances and left the Kingdom on July 2 to fly to Holland. I thought “let’s do it now, maybe they will change it again in the nearby future”

The plan was to go directly to the Thai Embassy in The Hague, spend 10 days with my family in Holland, before returning with my new NON-O visa. The plan was that I’d return to Thailand at the start of August to be with my family in Thailand.

I flew with KLM directly and noticed that 95% of the flights that evening had been cancelled. I was the lucky one, KLM was still flying. (Most previously scheduled flights were still being listed on the arrivals and departures screens, just being listed as ‘cancelled’)

I flew Economy class and had to wear my face mask for the entire 11 hours. In front of me was a plastic bag with some water and cookies, cheese and a sandwich. There was no other food or drinks being served. I was flying on a repatriation flight without even knowing it! It wasn’t the most pleasant flight I had, but I thought “it is what it is…”

I arrived on Schiphol airport and rented a car, drove straight to the Thai Embassy in The Hague and there they told me I coudn’t enter the Embassy without an appointment… “these are the new rules since the coronavirus”. To make an appointment I had to email them and wait.

I went back to my car and emailed the Embassy with my request to go return to Thailand ASAP on a NON-O visa. That same Friday afternoon they emailed me back with a list of documentation and procedures I needed to follow to be able to fly back to Thailand, – Step 1, Step 2 and Step 3. The appointment at the Embassy was set for the following Tuesday.

The first step was to gather the following documents:

1. A cover letter I have to write indicates the necessity and urgency for me to enter the Kingdom of Thailand.

2. A copy of my marriage certificate.

3. A copy of my passport.

4. A copy of the birth certificates of my two kids together with a copy of their passports.

5. A valid health insurance policy covering all expenditures of medical treatment, including Covid-19, worth at least 100,000 USD (a statement in English).

6. A filled in declaration form that was attached.

I had all of these documents luckily well prepared in Thailand knowing I would apply for a NON-O visa, including a bank statement of showing more than 400,000 baht in the account, if the account is on my name only, otherwise 800.000 baht if the account was in my wife’s name together with my name on it.

Tuesday, July 7, I went to The Thai Embassy, gave them all my paperwork and Step 1 was officially finished. I now went to Step 2 which meant that all my paperwork would then be considered… I could not do anything at this stage besides wait. I left my passport behind and was told it could take up to 2-3 weeks and they would contact me.

I was already a bit shocked with the 2-3 week timeframe because I was planning to only stay 10 days maximum… that turned out a bit differently from my plans in the end.

2 weeks and 2 days later the Embassy called me and asked if I would be available for a flight with KLM back to Bangkok on the August 7. There was also a possible alternative flight on August 14 with EVA air but they weren’t sure at that stage. They would let me know later. That same day I got an email that the August 7 flight was confirmed and I now went to Step 3 and needed to gather some more documents in preparation for the flight.

The ASQ (Alternative State Quarantine) hotel reservation was already booked on August 8. They also told me in the email that they would contact me later about the ticket, visa, ‘fit to fly’ documentation and covid-19 test.

I emailed all 26 ASQ-qualified (at that time, now there are more) Hotels immediately and 24 of them were already full, only 2 of them had 1 room left. By the time I was ready to book my first option was already sold, so I quickly called the second option – Anantara Riverside Bangkok – and paid the 77.000 baht fee to make sure I had that room confirmed.

I knew before I left that I had to stay in an ASQ hotel. I expected that, and was actually looking forward to two weeks of ME time.

I emailed the embassy that I had an ASQ booked and confirmed, and again I had to wait.

I spent time with my family and I started to get a bit nervous, thoughts like: “what if I have Covid, that means I can’t fly back?” Around this time I also heard that the Government in Thailand had already given foreigners a longer time in Thailand with an extension to the visa amnesty, until September 26, and I started to doubt my decision to fly all the way to Holland for a NON-O visa and all the money that this was costing me…. I could have stayed in Thailand until the end of September and who knows what plan would pop up to renew my visa?

Step 3 required the following documents…

1. A proof of confirmation that ASQ (Alternative State Quarantine) has been arranged.

2. A confirmed plane ticket (if your flight is cancelled, you will need a new COE – Certificate Of Entrance – you may need a new fit-to-fly health certificate if the one you have no longer meet the 72 hours requirement.)

3. A fit-to-fly health certificate issued no longer than 72 hours before departure.

4. A Covid-Free Health Certificate issued no longer than 72 hours before departure.

This is where it all got a bit tricky in my head. First of all I already paid the ASQ hotel but they would not refund me if I cancelled less than 72 hours before arrival. The Covid test and Fit-to-fly test needed to be done within 72 hours before departure, so if I came back positive, I would have lost my money that I paid to the ASQ and have to go through ALL the same processes again, with all the additional cost.

I called the Dutch Government for a free Covid-19 test, but they wouldn’t give me the result through email, only through the phone, this meant I had to do the test at KLM Health services for Euro 149 (4,5450 baht). Secondly, I did not have a doctor in Holland that could give me a Fit-to-Fly document so I called my parents’ doctor and she was so friendly to sign off on the document for free!

The 72 hours before departure were hectic, I had to go to Amsterdam to get a Covid test, I had to go to The Hague to get my passport back with my new NON-O stamp – they would only do single entry at the time instead of multiple entries, and I had to visit the doctor for the fit-to-fly document as well. Besides that I had to book my ticket through a travel agent approved by the Thai Embassy.

It was stressing, waiting for the result of the KLM Covid test, and the next day. 36 hours before departure, they called me and told me they lost my test somewhere.

I got totally stressed and I could hear the woman on the other end of the phone was stressed as well. She told me she would call me back and hung up the phone without telling me when she would call. I waited nearly 2 hours in the car but it felt like a day and she called back and reported… “I have double good news; we found your test and you are negative”

I sent all the documents to the Thai Embassy and they replied with a last email with an attachment “Certificate Of Entrance” and that I needed to take the following documents to the airport:

• Certificate of Entry

• Covid-19 test result (English)

• Fit to fly document from the doctor (English)

• Insurance letter indicating that Covid-19 is also covered

• My ASQ (accommodation in Bangkok) confirmation

I printed out everything ...

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Re: covid stories - A German mans letter - a plea to the Thai Government
« Reply #22 on: August 24, 2020, 12:57:02 PM »
A German man staying in Phuket has made a plea to the Thai Government to understand how the ‘visa amnesty’ expiring on Sept 26 will force many foreigners currently staying in Thailand to return to countries where second waves of COVID-19 are rampantly spreading. Here is his open letter to the Thai authorities:

This open letter is a request and also a cry for help. My name is Bernhard Stoever. I am one of the many long-term tourists who have been lucky enough to be able to extend their stay in Thailand since the outbreak of the Covid-19 virus. I firmly believe that this saved many people’s lives!

Thanks to the prudent Thai policies, the first wave of global contagion was combated in an exemplary manner. For that, too, I and all “stranded” would like to thank you very much. And, of course, we would like to especially thank the Thai people who have received us with such indescribable hospitality.

Thank you so much Thailand!

However, the expulsion on September 26th hits us particularly hard. I would like to use my example to show you what this change does in individual cases. The same applies to many “stranded” people.

I am a writer, 68 years old, live in Hamburg and am currently in Phuket. Everything is fine with me in terms of health. Nevertheless, I am extremely endangered in Germany. Every year in autumn and winter, Germany and Europe are attacked by a dangerous flu virus that makes millions of people seriously ill and kills tens of thousands, mainly among the elderly. And the course of the disease becomes more severe from year to year. Unfortunately, I am very susceptible and get the flu every year. It was particularly bad three years ago and I almost died from it.

So I decided to spend the winter in Thailand, which I learned to love a long time ago. Here I don’t get any flu and live healthy. But the Covid-19 virus changed a lot.

The second virus wave is now looming in Europe and Germany and will be probably even worse than the first. Together with the flu virus and the high age of most returnees, this means a huge risk for many people. And I too admit with discomfort that if I have to return to Germany in September, I may never see Thailand again. For me, as for many others, it is really a matter of life or death.

My big request to you: Is it perhaps possible to issue a provisionally residence permit for the “stranded”, so that they can determine the return flight themselves? Or is it possible to make repatriations dependent on the danger that exists in the home country. Nobody wants to die in a corona hot spot.

Perhaps a small argument that counts is that we behave in accordance with the law, adapt to the Thai conditions, have a very good relationship with the people, pay our rent regularly, eat out and make contributions to the community like all others .

In these difficult times all have to stick together even more than before. And if you give us the chance also we “stranded” will do our part.

Bernhard Stoever, Phuket @  This open letter is a request and also a cry for help. My name is Bernhard Stoever. I am one of the many long-term tourists who have been lucky enough to be able to extend their stay in Thailand since the outbreak of the Covid-19 virus. I firmly believe that this saved many people’s lives!

Thanks to the prudent Thai policies, the first wave of global contagion was combated in an exemplary manner. For that, too, I and all “stranded” would like to thank you very much. And, of course, we would like to especially thank the Thai people who have received us with such indescribable hospitality.

Thank you so much Thailand!

However, the expulsion on September 26th hits us particularly hard. I would like to use my example to show you what this change does in individual cases. The same applies to many “stranded” people.

I am a writer, 68 years old, live in Hamburg and am currently in Phuket. Everything is fine with me in terms of health. Nevertheless, I am extremely endangered in Germany. Every year in autumn and winter, Germany and Europe are attacked by a dangerous flu virus that makes millions of people seriously ill and kills tens of thousands, mainly among the elderly. And the course of the disease becomes more severe from year to year. Unfortunately, I am very susceptible and get the flu every year. It was particularly bad three years ago and I almost died from it.

So I decided to spend the winter in Thailand, which I learned to love a long time ago. Here I don’t get any flu and live healthy. But the Covid-19 virus changed a lot.

The second virus wave is now looming in Europe and Germany and will be probably even worse than the first. Together with the flu virus and the high age of most returnees, this means a huge risk for many people. And I too admit with discomfort that if I have to return to Germany in September, I may never see Thailand again. For me, as for many others, it is really a matter of life or death.

My big request to you: Is it perhaps possible to issue a provisionally residence permit for the “stranded”, so that they can determine the return flight themselves? Or is it possible to make repatriations dependent on the danger that exists in the home country. Nobody wants to die in a corona hot spot.

Perhaps a small argument that counts is that we behave in accordance with the law, adapt to the Thai conditions, have a very good relationship with the people, pay our rent regularly, eat out and make contributions to the community like all others .

In these difficult times all have to stick together even more than before. And if you give us the chance also we “stranded” will do our part.

Bernhard Stoever, Phuket @ This open letter is a request and also a cry for help. My name is Bernhard Stoever. I am one of the many long-term tourists who have been lucky enough to be able to extend their stay in Thailand since the outbreak of the Covid-19 virus. I firmly believe that this saved many people’s lives!

Thanks to the prudent Thai policies, the first wave of global contagion was combated in an exemplary manner. For that, too, I and all “stranded” would like to thank you very much. And, of course, we would like to especially thank the Thai people who have received us with such indescribable hospitality.

Thank you so much Thailand!

However, the expulsion on September 26th hits us particularly hard. I would like to use my example to show you what this change does in individual cases. The same applies to many “stranded” people.

I am a writer, 68 years old, live in Hamburg and am currently in Phuket. Everything is fine with me in terms of health. Nevertheless, I am extremely endangered in Germany. Every year in autumn and winter, Germany and Europe are attacked by a dangerous flu virus that makes millions of people seriously ill and kills tens of thousands, mainly among the elderly. And the course of the disease becomes more severe from year to year. Unfortunately, I am very susceptible and get the flu every year. It was particularly bad three years ago and I almost died from it.

So I decided to spend the winter in Thailand, which I learned to love a long time ago. Here I don’t get any flu and live healthy. But the Covid-19 virus changed a lot.

The second virus wave is now looming in Europe and Germany and will be probably even worse than the first. Together with the flu virus and the high age of most returnees, this means a huge risk for many people. And I too admit with discomfort that if I have to return to Germany in September, I may never see Thailand again. For me, as for many others, it is really a matter of life or death.

My big request to you: Is it perhaps possible to issue a provisionally residence permit for the “stranded”, so that they can determine the return flight themselves? Or is it possible to make repatriations dependent on the danger that exists in the home country. Nobody wants to die in a corona hot spot.

Perhaps a small argument that counts is that we behave in accordance with the law, adapt to the Thai conditions, have a very good relationship with the people, pay our rent regularly, eat out and make contributions to the community like all others .

In these difficult times all have to stick together even more than before. And if you give us the chance also we “stranded” will do our part.

Bernhard Stoever, Phuket @ thephuketnews.com
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Re: Open letter from long-stay tourist spurs action from Prime Minister
« Reply #23 on: September 02, 2020, 12:14:15 PM »
A German man staying in Phuket has made a plea to the Thai Government to understand how the ‘visa amnesty’ expiring on Sept 26 will force many foreigners currently staying in Thailand to return to countries where second waves of COVID-19 are rampantly spreading. Here is his open letter to the Thai authorities:

This open letter is a request and also a cry for help. My name is Bernhard Stoever. I am one of the many long-term tourists who have been lucky enough to be able to extend their stay in Thailand since the outbreak of the Covid-19 virus. I firmly believe that this saved many people’s lives!

In these difficult times all have to stick together even more than before. And if you give us the chance also we “stranded” will do our part.

Bernhard Stoever, Phuket @ thephuketnews.com
Open letter from long-stay tourist in Phuket spurs action from Prime Minister  thephuketnews.com
The Prime Minister has ordered his assistants to investigate the circumstances of a German long-stay tourist in Phuket whose open letter was published by The Phuket News, appealing for him to be allowed to stay in the country after the ‘visa amnesty’ ends on Sept 26, instead of being forced to go back to Germany where COVID-19 infections have recently skyrocketed.

Mr Stoever asked the Thai authorities whether it was possible to issue a provisional residence permit for the ‘stranded’, so that they can determine the return flight themselves. “Or is it possible to make repatriations dependent on the danger that exists in the home country. Nobody wants to die in a corona hotspot,” he said.

Speaking to The Phuket News on Tuesday, Mr Stoever said that allowing long-stay tourists such as himself to be able to stay in Thailand was a win-win for both parties.

“With long-stay tourists like myself, all my money goes directly to the local community. I stay at a place with no kitchen, so I eat out all the time, and even my laundry is done outside. Everything I do contributes to all the small business around where I am staying. This is the same with any long-stay tourist,” he said.

He added that he knew he was not alone with his predicament. A German lady and an American both did not want to return home due to the state of COVID-19 infections in their home countries.

The officer at the PDMU that The Phuket News spoke with on Tuesday said that Mr Stoever’s plea had been heard at the highest level. PM Prayut had asked the PDMU to interview Mr Stoever and investigate how many other long-stay foreign tourists already in Thailand were facing the same predicament.

“We want to know more about the case of the German man in Phuket, and similar cases in other provinces,” the officer said.

“We are seeking a way to help the German man, and similar cases, to stay in Thailand and extend their visas. We want them to stay,” he added.

Mr Stoever welcomed the news. “I want to stay. I want to live,” he said on Tuesday.

To gain clear feedback directly from other long-stay tourists wanting to stay in Thailand, the officer at the PDMU invited such tourists to email a clear description of their situation. By arrangement, such tourists can send their emails to stayinthai@classactmedia.co.th. The Phuket News will forward all relevant emails directly to the PDMU. Emails must include contact details and the Subject line must say, “Please let me stay”.

People were urged to send their emails as soon as practically possible.

“We have no deadline for receiving these emails, but the PDMU will report its findings directly to the Prime Minister, and this will need to be done soon,” the officer said.

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Re: covid stories - die alone in a foreign country
« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2020, 11:00:59 AM »
Ex-Marine 'could die alone in Thailand' after massive stroke as borders stay shut
Colin Coppard has had a section of his skull removed in a desperate bid to save his life. Now his family are calling on the Government to ask Thailand to open the border to allow him home



 A former Royal Marine who has been left paralysed by a massive stroke is stuck abroad after Thailand closed its borders due to coronavirus, stopping a repatriation flight from bringing him home.

Colin Coppard served his country for more than eight years, with tours in both Iraq and Northern Ireland, but his family fear he’ll die alone in a foreign country as his mental and physical health deteriorates.

The super fit ex-soldier, now works as a freelance contractor for anti poaching units in South Africa, stopping the super rich from killing animals on safari.

He had planned to take a few months out in Thailand, as he does most years, to have a break for his mind to practice Buddhism and to focus on his fitness.

But the 50-year-old from Battersea, London, was found collapsed in his hotel room in Chiang Mai and rushed to hospital, having suffered a massive stroke.

His family were told he needed a cranioscopy to remove a bleed on his brain and he had a large chunk on the left side of his skull removed.

Speaking exclusively to Mirror Online, Colin's younger sister Maxine Coppard says he is now desperate to come home and she’s calling on the government to step in and help.

She fears her two other brothers Billy and Warren, dad Bob, mum Brenda as well as Colin’s niece, nephew and the rest of the family, will not see him alive again if he has to stay thousands of miles from home.

The 45-year-old mum-of-two said: "We are worried we're not going to see him alive again.

"We think once we get him back to us his mental health and physical health will get better.

"We do think he will speak and walk again. Colin is strong and determined.

"My main worry is that he will come to some sort of harm over there."

Maxine and dad Bob explained that the hospital had found Colin hiding his medicine and they are concerned he may have wanted to take them all at once.

The family has been able to see Colin over video chat and Maxine said her brother has managed to say "home, home, home" and "out, out, out".

She says she knows he'll be devastated with the family seeing him at such a low point.

Maxine said: "He couldn't talk at first but he recognises us.

"When they called to say they needed to release the pressure on the brain, they said there was a chance he could be left paralysed, or not be able to speak.

"But we begged for them to keep him alive. If you know Colin, he will fight this, he will get through it.

"I'm his little sister, he doesn't want me to see him like that."

Dad Bob, 82, said his son's nickname in the Marines was Lionheart.

He added: "It's really heartbreaking seeing him. All my life I've worried about him.

"He did very well in the Army, but you still worry as a dad.

"When I look at him, with bit of his skull gone, it's just so difficult.

"You go to bed with the worry, you wake up with it. It's 24 hours a day at the moment."

The family has already raised money for Colin's repatriation through a GoFundMe page and have employed a repatriation company to get him back to the UK.

But because Thailand's borders are still closed, they are calling on the British Government to intervene.

Maxine added: "The UK FCO are unable to do anything. A man who fought for his country, no-one in power is fighting for him, as it’s in the hands of the Thai government."

Mirror Online has approached the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office for comment.

Thailand's Government offices remain shut until Tuesday as the country marks a long weekend for Songkran.

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Re: covid stories - Ex-Marine 'could die alone in Thailand' Update
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2020, 01:42:58 PM »
Ex-Marine 'could die alone in Thailand' after massive stroke as borders stay shut
Colin Coppard has had a section of his skull removed in a desperate bid to save his life. Now his family are calling on the Government to ask Thailand to open the border to allow him home
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gofundme.com August 21, 2020 by Maxine Coppard, Organize
I’ve been waiting to give you a positive update ! Today we was suppose to be packing up from our time away to go back to London to welcome home Colin , we’ve employed an amazing repatriation company who had it all planned out detail to detail , we told Colin , he was finally calm and able to have a timeframe to look towards out from his nightmare back to us which he so desperately wants !! I cannot share to much out of respect to my wonderful , handsome , courageous, strong , adventurous brother but his struggling , in a country far far away . He desperately needs to be returned to England so he can get the best possible treatment! However the Thai government decided due to Covid they were extending the ban of international flights , Telling Colin this was the hardest thing my dads every had to do we can get Colin out on a private thai repatriation company at a cost of over £120,000 , we just don’t have this , we can get permission to enter Thailand but the thai embassy have gone Absent without leave !!!! There’s no reply to emails , phone, calls , visits The UK FCO are unable to do anything, A man who fought for his country, know one of power is fighting for him as it’s in the hands of the thai government .

Anyway I have faith in our repatriation company , family , friends day in day out looking at all options and pray he can continue to find strength to wait for the day we get him home !!!! Thank you everyone for your support and love !!! I’m going to add a video of Colin that my daughter made for her uncle , which made me cry as she’s hurting and missing him so much I love the words of the song too so fitting !

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Re: covid stories
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2020, 07:42:00 PM »
It seems that this guy would need an air ambulance to get home. They don’t come cheap.  Even then why would he be better off in the UK than Thailand? A sad story sure enough, but I am not sure that throwing money at it will make the outcome any better.
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Re: covid stories - good luck Colin
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2020, 08:13:13 PM »
Hi T.T. when venturing a long way from home ie: Thailand,They say you should always have an escape plan, like a nest egg, to fall back on instead of trusting it to luck, what about the "BRITISH EMBASSY"  :-[

I wish him all the luck. reading from. Mirror.co.uk could of over done the fitness in a different climate.
The super fit ex-soldier, now works as a freelance contractor for anti poaching units in South Africa, stopping the super rich from killing animals on safari. He had planned to take a few months out in Thailand, as he does most years, to have a break for his mind to practice Buddhism and to focus on his fitness.

But the 50-year-old from Battersea, London, was found collapsed in his hotel room in Chiang Mai and rushed to hospital, having suffered a massive stroke.

Good luck Colin, hope all turns out well.

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Re: covid stories - Look beyond Great Depression to solve Covid-19 blues
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2020, 12:31:22 AM »
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Look beyond Great Depression to solve Covid-19 blues
Past economic crises don't point to a clear path forward, writes Stephen W Campbell
United States unemployment levels not seen since the 1930s have prompted pundits to examine previous eras -- particularly the Great Depression -- for lessons on how to escape the current economic crisis. Unfortunately, the past offers few straightforward answers. Previous economic eras, when understood with all of their complexity and ambiguity, do not point to an obvious path ahead.

As a general rule, the farther back in time one travels, the more difficult historical analogies become. In 1787 when the founding fathers drafted the US Constitution, there were only three banks in the entire country and Spanish silver dollars could still be used to pay taxes. The poor state of overland transportation made it much more convenient, cheaper, and timely to ship goods from Philadelphia to London than to Pittsburgh.

By the 1820s and 30s, America was quickly becoming a more industrialised economy. This was the era of "the Bank War," president Andrew Jackson's famous political conflict with Nicholas Biddle, the president of the Second Bank of the United States. The Second Bank was the Federal Reserve of its time. Like today's Fed, which adjusts interest rates to provide price and employment stability, the Second Bank served as the nation's central bank and performed important regulatory functions. It serviced the nation's public debt, managed the Treasury Department's fiscal priorities, propagated a nationwide uniform currency and curbed excessive lending among the country's numerous state banks. Through its network of branch offices and overseas agents, the Second Bank facilitated domestic and international trade.

But the financial tools available to the Second Bank were limited compared to what's currently at Fed chairman Jerome Powell's disposal. Biddle could make minor adjustments in the nation's overall money supply by selling government bonds, for example, but this measure paled in comparison to the complex and far-reaching operations conducted by today's Fed. To inject money into our sputtering economy and lower interest rates today, the Fed purchases trillions of dollars of US Treasury bonds and other assets. It acts on a scale unimaginable to anyone living in the 1830s.

This and other remarkable differences between the political economy of the US in the 1830s and today render tenuous any direct comparisons between the two eras. Today's GDP of US$20 trillion (626 trillion baht) is several hundred times greater than the $1 billion economy of 1830, which is equivalent to about $50 billion in today's money. The Treasury Department, which collected about 90% of its revenue from tariffs, often ran budget surpluses. Information didn't flow with the ease it does today. It took at least two weeks to deliver a newspaper from Washington, DC, to St Louis. For various reasons, there were no reliable unemployment statistics at the national level. A total of 78% of the workforce was agricultural at the time, compared to less than 5% today. Slavery was fundamental not only to the South's political, social and economic structure but also to the nation's.

Today's policymakers are thankfully not drawing inspiration from the antebellum era -- a time in which risky financial institutions sometimes constructed houses of cards that collapsed into devastating economic panics. But some leaders are trying to take cues from the US response to the Great Depression. In the late 1920s, a perfect storm of events created the worst economic crisis the nation has ever faced: a roughly 10-year period of widespread bankruptcy, rural poverty, mass evictions and migrations, urban bread lines, falling wages, crippling deflation, idle factories and workers' strikes.

No single factor caused the Depression, and no single policy ended it. The stock market crash of October 1929 wiped out the life savings of millions of Americans, making them more reluctant to spend money. But even before the crash, numerous red flags signalled a struggling economy. Falling commodity prices made it difficult for farmers to pay back loans. Major economies in Europe struggled to meet the debt payments and reparations left over from World War I. High tariff rates strangled world trade. Economic inequality and a weakened middle class stunted consumer demand.

All of these worrisome developments were transmitted to the rest of the world through the international gold standard, a factor historians and economists often point to when explaining the severity and duration of the Depression. This was a system where most of the major world currencies were exchangeable in gold on demand, at a fixed rate. Neoclassical economists of the time believed such a system would be automatic and self-regulating, requiring no intervention or regulation by central bankers.

But the gold standard did not work as intended. One of its many flaws was countries did not always abide by the same rules, a phenomenon resembling the imbalances that plagued the Eurozone in the last decade. In 1931, the Fed made what was, in retrospect, a terrible blunder by raising interest rates. The nation's central bank was attempting to rein in the excessive speculation in stocks that had contributed to the crash of 1929 and at the same time acquire enough gold to uphold a strong US dollar. Conventional economic thinking held that this was the right move. But with the country already mired in a deepening recession, raising interest rates proved costly: Nearly one-third of the country's banks failed, foreign investment declined, and unemployment levels approached a staggering 25%. Central bankers in virtually every major economy around the world made similar mistakes. Only when countries abandoned the gold standard did recovery begin.

The actions that ended the Great Depression provide clues to the sorts of things central banks and regulators can do to help -- but they hardly offer us easy solutions for the current crisis. We have no gold standard to abandon today. New Deal agencies inaugurated the modern welfare state, imposed stricter financial regulations and recognised workers' rights to collective bargaining, but some of them also perpetuated the racism of Jim Crow. Work relief programmes like the Works Progress Administration (WPA) employed millions of workers, but it was really government spending on the military during World War II, furthered by the growth of the Cold War military-industrial complex, that ushered in an unprecedented era of American prosperity. So, would increasing America's already-enormous military budget be helpful today?

The larger point here is not to eschew historical analogies or ignore the instances in which they can deliver fairly straightforward verdicts on policy questions. Rather, it's to note that even expert knowledge of previous recessions may only help us so much in the current chaos; there will always be some degree of uncertainty and contingency in the way things panned out.

While we have an extensive historical record of what conditions and policies helped the US recover from the Great Depression, we will never have the scientific certainty of running an experiment 100 times to see if it was Franklin Delano Roosevelt's confidence-inspiring speeches, or raising the price of gold or creating the WPA, that helped the most.

All we have is the singular experiment of the historical record. An approach to history that leaves plenty of room for ambiguity and uncertainty allows us to appreciate the uniqueness of the past and present, to note big changes over time, and perhaps above all, to recognise the limits of our expertise.©2020 Zocalo Public Square

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OPEN LETTER: Foreigners with local businesses face impossible financial demands and regulations

A foreigner who launched a start-up business in Phuket before the the COVID-19 outbreak details how foreigners who have spent millions of baht launching a businesses in Phuket are now stuck in an impossible situation financially, and unable to even comply with Immigration requirements due to no income during the current economic crisis. Here is the foreigner’s Open Letter to the Thai Government, unedited for veracity:

“Phuket is badly affected by the current crises” a statement by V / Gov Phichet, September 11, 2020.

What do you want as a government with foreigners who invest money in a Thai company?

We are a startup (restaurant and production), started in July 2019, with all rules required by law, Thai shareholder, all registrations and registrations for Ltd, tax, social security, required Thai employees (minimum 8 in our case), miscellaneous costs that are necessary to allow two shareholders to reside and investment in equipment.

To be prepared to start the season, which started in mid-September 2019, all calculated run-up losses will incur if it appears that the season will start later than normal. In mid-December, things are going better and things are going in the right direction, January 2020 is the first month that yields some profit, February 2020 is not great but not bad either. March has of course become a historic month, the tourist flow has come to a complete standstill.

Dramatic for the local working population, in particular, emergency facilities are set up with meals for the most affected, it’s a sad situation overall. The companies that can have it in the first instance (financially) helped out.

Temporary closures accompanied by dismissed employees are a reality and inevitable. In the first instance, employees continue to be paid without there being any income.

Where most of the entrepreneurs still think everything will be back to normal in a few months, it turns out that it has a much greater impact than ‘’just’’ a few months.

Given the current situation and all well-intentioned government initiatives, we should not expect a 2020-2021 season. This is not doom thinking but reality.

We can hang and strangle until now with a postponement arrangement and with some production "there", that’s all, pure survival now for 7 months. No income, no staff, staff entered the redundancy pay scheme, resigned or simply disappeared.

After millions of invested capital further, it is September 2020. Time to renew the visas, this is huge paperwork to do. There are many requirements that are not a problem under "normal" circumstances, usually matters relating to the last three months of the business, including a statement of personnel registered for social security benefits. With registration, the company is temporarily shut down from mid-March. Due to the compulsory closure, there is no staff, the opening is delayed and the situation is as it is, no tourists can be seen.

Then it is a shame and you can leave the company and leave the country, yes but ... there is no yes but, rules are rules and no exception is made even though there is a crisis. We will be told that there might be an agency that can help us… We have to bring a large amount of money for that, but we do not have a large amount of money.

We left the immigration office stunned.

From their own experience, foreign entrepreneurs and wealthy Thai residents take the initiative to help the Thai population, free for nothing and no ulterior motives for later, they stick their necks out to help the local population.

Government, what have you done to help entrepreneurs, local and foreigners, to survive? Banks do not give soft loans without security (who can guarantee security?), Tax rebates? freezing of debt? rent support/postponement? Many conflicting messages/rules and so you cause chaos and no one behind a desk takes initiative. Because there are no unambiguous regulations, they rely on old rules.

Continue to stimulate the tourist economy and make Thailand on the world map as a holiday destination. But it is desirable that besides the capital powerful hotel and resort chains there are also local entrepreneurs to receive your guests in the restaurants and bars, support them generously!!

Government with all your concerns for a beautiful nation and a beautiful country for the necessary tourist flow, work for your people do not be starch. Much of the money flow on the island of Phuket still runs on foreigners who stay here. They can pay for the houses, eat regularly in restaurants and shop at the local entrepreneurs.

With us, more hard-working entrepreneurs and private individuals will be the victims of inimitable regulations.

Why are you chasing all foreigners out of the country with impossible financial demands and regulations?

Why do I have to leave everything behind as an entrepreneur?

I want to appeal to reasonableness and compassion, from the government, for all people who, even in times of crisis, have declared themselves loyal to your (!) country, helped with food and first aid. The majority of these relatively small entrepreneurs suffer by themselves after 7 months.

We are going back to the government’s office to see how we can do this legally.

Hendrik Fakkel.

thephuketnews.com
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