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British Food in Korat
« on: November 23, 2010, 10:59:46 PM »
Brit food wars

I have to say.  I'm really enjoying the way these handful of people are going at it on the forums trying to promote their garbage products.  Is there really that big of a market for this bland food that these blokes buy from a distributor and then resell with a huge mark up? Did Korat all of a sudden become a constituent province of the the UK?  WTF is up with this crap?  I have actually purchased some of these products and I can tell you first hand they are C.RAP. worst hamburger patties I've ever tasted...threw them away. Loaded with fat and salt. Curries? Bland, hard meat, not even spicy. Absolute garbage. Turns out the pork filets i bought came from the south of Thailand. Why? Thai meat is rubbish. I didn't even bother to cook this c.rap and gave it to my two dogs who puked it up an hour later. Yuck. One guy sells colmans mustard in a jar (small) for 155baht and another guy sells it for 110baht. Why the huge differnce in price? Go to the mall and right next to the big can of colmans mustards is a thai version in a small yellow box....30baht!!!and it is awesome!  You want fresh meat at a fraction of the cost these numb skulls are selling it for? Yamo market.

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Re: Brit food wars
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 01:28:08 AM »
As a kid I had a general store toy. It helped me to learn while playing. I guess what you call "Brit food wars" is merely a return to children playing with a general store toy. It probably also serves to make them feel nostalgic: Good old England with inedible food! ;D

What's next on the list, spotted dick?

Spotted Dick? I bet you learned about that national specialty from "King Ralph". I never stumbled over it on one of my visits to that island.
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« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 02:19:56 AM »
Never forget baby farts, America doesn't have any proper mustard :) if you want mustard it has to be colemans or a couple of the German brands that are nearly as good, the German ones are also slightly cheaper in Pattaya than colemans, no idea why colemans mustard is so expensive here though.

As for burgers, never trust the English to make them properly, also the animals here don't contain enough fat to make a juicy burger, if your going to make your own try a 4 to 1 ratio of ground meat and fat, ie a kilo of beef and 250grams of ground beef fat, chuck in your bread crumbs and seasoning and your away :)

Pretty sure spotted dick must be a regional dish as I don't remember it, anyway looked up the recipe for you.

Ingredients
350g/12oz plain flour
100g/4oz shredded vegetable suet
100g/4oz golden caster sugar
1 tbsp baking powder
½ tsp cinnamon
1 orange, zest and juice only
100ml/4fl oz milk
125g/5oz mixture of raisins, dried cherries, dried cranberries and dried blueberries
75g soft brown sugar

For the sauce

125g/4oz butter
150g/5oz dark brown sugar
1 tbsp cinnamon
1 tsp vanilla essence
1 orange, juice only
handful of marshmallows

Preparation method

Place the flour, vegetable suet, caster sugar, baking powder and cinnamon in a bowl.
Add the orange juice, zest and milk and mix to form a soft dough.
Roll out the dough to form an oblong shape. Place the dough onto an oblong of baking parchment.
Scatter the dried fruit and sugar over the dough.
Roll up from the long side to force a cylinder.
Place the cylinder onto a steamer insert and place into a large saucepan of boiling water.
Cover and steam for 1-1¼ hours.

To make the sauce, place the butter, brown sugar, cinnamon, vanilla, and the orange juice in a saucepan and bring to a gentle boil.

When the spotted dick is cooked, pour the candied sauce over the spotted dick and then place in the oven for 10 minutes.
Remove, place the marshmallows on top then put back into the oven until they have just melted.
 

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Re: Brit food wars
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 06:33:29 AM »
You are correct, JF. It was from that movie that I learned of this strange dish. There is also a another food guy in town now, but he's selling German stuff, including products you can get at the mall for a cheaper price.

Thanks for the recipe DD. The burgers I got were almost pure white in color. I've never seen a hamburger patty that color before. When I cooked one it was smoking and popping all over the place, a sign of high fat content. I took one bite and almost puked. I don't know what these guys put in their meat, but it really is disgusting.

Oh. Colmans is actually huge in Hawaii. Any Chinese restaurant you go in to will have it on the table. Peope there love the stuff.  It is typically mixed with shoyu to make a sauce. Very popular when eating raw fish aka sashimi.
 

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Re: Brit food wars
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 08:29:39 AM »
As to mustard: if you go to a Supermarket in Germany you gotta select from dozens of different flavors and brands of mustard, depending on your gusto and wallet. Best I like is Düsseldorfer Löwensenf, served also at farang restaurants in Korat. But I wouldn't pay crazy prices for that buying it from a farang food dealer. Didn't miss it on the tables of Thai or Chinese restaurants in Europe. Why should I miss it over here?

You can buy high quality Thai food like you can buy lower quality in Europe as well. Only over here you gotta watch out yourself what you're buying, as there are not so high standards what is still allowed to be sold for human consumption or only as animal food or what isn't allowed to be labelled food at all or better be used for production of bio fuel. In Germany a butcher's shop must have at least one employee with a masters degree to supervise and guarantee  standards, otherwise it can call itself only a sales outlet of a meat factory and sell pre-packed stuff only. But over here just anybody can process and sell meat or meat products. The government controls aren't tough. Sometimes people acquire a license for operating a restaurant merely to make money with the sausage they're selling outside of that. No need to prove they've learned to be a cook or butcher...
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« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 08:50:07 PM »
Both Paulo and Balu make some pretty good mustards.

Back on topic... The people selling all these products. Are they licensed to do so? Do any of them have work permits?  The laws are very strict when it comes to getting a work permit. I'll bet none of these guys are paying any taxes whatsoever on the products they sell.

So Saf. How did you, nokHEE bear, and fcf obtain licenses and work permits to operate your businesses, because I had lunch today with an old student of mine who works in the work permit office here in korat and according to her, neither she or their office has ever heard of the three of you.   
 

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« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 09:47:32 PM »
Do they need a business license for playing "General Store"? It might depend on the extent  of their activity. A shopping cooperative for example wouldn't need a business license either. Like one hardly needs a business license for a garage sale or the hobby sales and trades at a flea market. The problems are the lines between.

But the not only occasional and especially public distribution of food items definitely should be controlled by the government for applied quality and sanitation standards.
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« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 09:57:53 PM »
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The burgers I got were almost pure white in color. I've never seen a hamburger patty that color before.
Thats a traditional English burger, tasteless, hard and basically horrid, never ever trust an English person to cook or make burgers unless they have spent time in the states, most English people take the piss out of the Yanks, I mean who could get excited over a white tasteless bit of crap, trouble is most English haven't spent time in the states and learnt that burgers are not supposed to be white awful looking horrid tasting things, think of it as on par with America trying to market their horrid yellow mustard to the world, yes we laugh at you, it is awful compared to what we have, nows your chance to laugh at our burgers, and no, I don't eat them unless real desperate :)
 

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Re: British Food in Korat
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 11:02:55 PM »
If you don't like the food they sell don't buy it..... SIMPLES.
Now Baby with reference to work permits etc. you're opening a whole can of worms there. I'm sure there are plenty of people working in Korat without the correct certificates... ;) ;)
 

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« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 12:21:26 AM »
Hey there marky boy. Hows that cute little wife of yours doing? I sure miss her. When you coming back to korat so I can hook up with her again? Oh you can bet I am fully aware of the people working AND living here illegally including schools who KNOWINGLY employ them..not to mention teachers who date their underage students like you
used to do then come to class hungover everyday. Gambling is also highly illegal in Thailand and Ive managed to collect a number of sheets from a certain bar where people like you used to gamble...including the year you won the jackpot. Would you
Like a copy?  Run along now scooter boy.   ;D ;D ;D

Oh by the way. Did I tell you who I work for now?
 

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« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 12:34:21 AM »
Good observation DD. I was told these foods were good so I decided to give them a try.  What a disappointment. Like I said, my two dogs puked them up. 

JF, good point. Are there certain products people can sell here, make a profit, and not have to pay any taxes? A lot of this stuff is packaged and sold in small cheap plastic bags with no labels and unsealed. God only knows where it could have come from. 
 

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 08:54:25 AM »
Are there certain products people can sell here, make a profit, and not have to pay any taxes?


You gotta look at different kinds of taxes that could arise from sales:

- the Personal Income Tax (PIT) on profits made depends on your total taxable income (including some pensions paid from abroad) that's exceeding your tax free allowances. For that have a look there:

http://www.rd.go.th/publish/6045.0.html

- the Value Added Tax (VAT) that is collected by the seller and then handed to the tax authorities. Any person or entity who regularly supplies goods or provides services in Thailand and has an annual turnover exceeding 1.8 million baht is liable to VAT. Small entrepreneurs whose annual turnover is less than 1.8 million baht are exempted. Certain products, for example unprocessed agricultural products and related goods such as fertilizers, animal feeds, pesticides, etc., are also exempted from VAT. More there:

http://www.rd.go.th/publish/6043.0.html




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Re: Brit food wars
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2010, 09:44:50 AM »
So Saf. How did you, nokHEE bear, and fcf obtain licenses and work permits to operate your businesses, because I had lunch today with an old student of mine who works in the work permit office here in korat and according to her, neither she or their office has ever heard of the three of you.

I know of three guys selling western  food in the Korat area. I believe one guy is selling the food out of his pub, sounds reasonable to me. The pub is probably his wife's and it's a legitimate business. The whispers are his food on offer is the best available. But as for that dodgy nookiebear character who sells his mystery goods from the back of a pickup in an empty carpark, well that's a different situation.  Why wouldnt people just buy it from a shop/pub instead where they can try before they buy?
 

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« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2010, 10:27:13 AM »
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who sells his mystery goods from the back of a pickup in an empty carpark
That sounds like something from the trailer park boys :) they would steal the meat etc from supermarkets and then sell it out of the back of their boot :)
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2010, 12:13:34 PM »
So Saf. How did you, nokHEE bear, and fcf obtain licenses and work permits to operate your businesses, because I had lunch today with an old student of mine who works in the work permit office here in korat and according to her, neither she or their office has ever heard of the three of you.

I know of three guys selling western  food in the Korat area. I believe one guy is selling the food out of his pub, sounds reasonable to me. The pub is probably his wife's and it's a legitimate business. The whispers are his food on offer is the best available. But as for that dodgy nookiebear character who sells his mystery goods from the back of a pickup in an empty carpark, well that's a different situation.  Why wouldnt people just buy it from a shop/pub instead where they can try before they buy?

Exactly my point, Taser.  The guy with the pub is a designated distributor of the products he sells.   He has them in stock and well displayed.  I've noticed his prices are somewhat less expensive than the other sellers.  I like being able to walk into a shop and pick up what I want off the shelf.  This guy with the pub has the right idea and knows what he's doing.  Hats off to him.
 

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« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2010, 12:16:44 PM »
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who sells his mystery goods from the back of a pickup in an empty carpark
That sounds like something from the trailer park boys :) they would steal the meat etc from supermarkets and then sell it out of the back of their boot :)

da.mn right....and why is it that I have to pay taxes on the money I earn here, and these f-wipes feel somehow that they are exempt? 
 

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« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2010, 12:49:55 PM »
All I have to say is who cares about who dose or dose not pay taxes in Thailand ::) Would that not be for the locals to worry about ;)

If they are breaking the law sooner or later the BIB will get wind of it and swing by to get their cut ;D

 

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« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2010, 01:13:49 PM »
All I have to say is who cares about who dose or dose not pay taxes in Thailand ::) Would that not be for the locals to worry about ;)

I bet you're not an advocate of integration, somebody actually wanting to be a guest only and taken care of. :-[

Aren't we talking about farang food distributors? Maybe we should care about those ourselves instead of "leaving it to the locals" to take care of our affairs.

I heard people complaining about Korat not offering enough for farangs. But when some people are trying to to something for the relief of that, some others jump at complaining again just about that. Where's the middle way?
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« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2010, 01:34:54 PM »
We have plenty of farang run food places in Pattaya and Jomtien, don't bother me if they pay taxes or have work permits, just as long as they keep making lovely pies I'm happy :)
 

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« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2010, 02:04:02 PM »
When I positively do know somebody is cheating the tax I might not buy from him - if I have acceptable alternatives. But only "might". More important is that the sanitation and quality standard is acceptable. And that is what should be monitored by ourselves in the case of those small businesses supplying farang food. The internet (our forums) help spread the word, if something is below standard or overpriced. That is definitely common interest! But buying from somebody who maybe cheats the tax is an individual decision.
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« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2010, 02:41:27 PM »
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The internet (our forums) help spread the word, if something is below standard or overpriced.
Still doesn't get over the problem that any American in the world is going to enjoy an English hamburger, we are used to them being like they are as thats how they are in the UK, bit like trying to get an Englishman to make some nice boiled cabbage for Germans in Korat, you won't be buying it a second time :)
 

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« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2010, 03:05:10 PM »
All I have to say is who cares about who dose or dose not pay taxes in Thailand ::) Would that not be for the locals to worry about ;)

I bet you're not an advocate of integration, somebody actually wanting to be a guest only and taken care of. :-[

Aren't we talking about farang food distributors? Maybe we should care about those ourselves instead of "leaving it to the locals" to take care of our affairs.

I heard people complaining about Korat not offering enough for farangs. But when some people are trying to do something for the relief of that, some others jump at complaining again just about that. Where's the middle way?

Integration, someone wanting to be a guest and taken care of ??? not a clue what you are on about there. Best guess is you are trying to read between the lines and missing the point. I think dirtydog got it though.

 

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« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2010, 03:26:52 PM »
Nobody can force me to eat a hamburger that doesn't suit my taste. Just like nobody can force me to eat German food I don't like. Nationality has nothing to do with the food we have to eat.

In Korat and elsewhere abroad many restaurants run by foreigners are meant by their operators to become meeting places for fellow countrymen. So they do offer dishes they think would attract those. I don't visit any of those places often enough to tell whether they do succeed. But I can imagine they also do get Thai customers.

Another thing is the foreign food for home consumption. Some things one grew attached to at one's country of origin just aren't available at supermarkets in Korat, maybe due to the lack of demand or because nobody has advertised and tried to sell it here. For years people kept complaining about how badly farangs were provided for in Korat. Now some entrepreneurs are trying to fill that hole. Only time will tell whether they're successful. There were no notable successes in the past. To regulate the small market for farang food for home consumption in Korat, both offer and demand are still too small.

It takes years for foreign food items to be demanded sufficiently in Korat for Thai supermarkets offering and restocking them when sold. I know people who went to Pattaya every two weeks just for shopping because they were missing some food items from their home countries not available all the time in Korat. That's hardly necessary anymore! With this enlarged assortment in supermarkets some entrepreneurs understood that there is a market for farang food, now attempting to take a share of that. But offer and demand still have to find a balance. Their problem is that they probably won't get any Thai customers, unlike the restaurants.
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2010, 03:44:53 PM »
Integration, someone wanting to be a guest and taken care of ??? not a clue what you are on about there. Best guess is you are trying to read between the lines and missing the point.

Did you ever hear of "fair trade"? That's a label for products from businesses following certain rules like not exploiting child labor or the like.

Can you imagine people making their own decisions about buying or not buying from businesses not following the rules of a society they're 'staying with'? Following the rules of the guest country, and for example pay taxes, is integration.

In your home country you might have to go to jail, for example for buying something that was stolen. Buying something from a business that is not following rules, be them in the form of laws or just ethics, makes you not integrated into the society you are 'staying with'.
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« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2010, 07:42:00 PM »
British food is undoubtedly better than American food because…

1. It is seasonal. Our food adapts to the inclement British weather, there are as many foodie options as our ever-changing weather, a cold blustery day is perfectly complemented by a hearty winter roast dinner and no summer’s day would be complete without strawberries and cream.

2. The English Breakfast, need I say more? There is no better way to start your Sunday than with bacon, eggs and all the trimmings. Especially if the Sunday follows a heavy Saturday night.

3. British food is fairly healthy on the whole, “veg” being a vital component to most meals, no roast is complete without its two veg, and that doesn’t mean fries!

4. Our food is a great way to explore the country as each region has its own speciality; the Yorkshire pudding, the Devonshire cream tea, Welsh Rarebit…the journey need never stop.

5. Our chefs are as interesting as our food; Gordon Ramsay, Jamie Oliver and of course Delia Smith are British institutions.

6. Christmas dinner-the roast is the classic British meal which many families continue to consider an institution in their week, and of course their Christmas.

7. Experience fish and chips at the seaside, strawberries and cream at Wimbledon, tea at the Ritz. There are endless unmissable experiences which involve food in the UK!

8. Chocolate: our chocolate is unbeatable with both a rich history and taste – plus it doesn’t have melting preventers that make it taste gross!

9. British food is deeply woven into the nation’s history, no more so than curry which is now popularly considered our national dish.

10. We invented the sandwich-no better lunch exists!

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« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2010, 07:45:31 PM »
American food is undoubtedly better than British food because…

1. We have brunch, America’s very best culinary innovation. It’s not exactly breakfast, nor is it lunch: it’s brunch, and it’s the best of both worlds. Plus you can sleep in on weekends and still eat eggs Benedict at 1:00 pm.

2. The US has a diversity of foods, both homegrown and adopted, that simply cannot be matched by the UK. Tacos to clam chowder to key lime pie to barbecue — the US has range.

3. We have a strict policy: jellied fruit not jellied animals.

4. We understand corn. Mistakenly believed to be animal fodder by our British friends, there’s no end of wonderful foods that can be made from corn, from corn on the cob to corn soufflés to cornmeal crust pizzas to tamales to corn dogs to bourbon.

5. Salads. Some may think that Americans only eat fried things topped with bacon, so they may be surprised to find how important the salad is in American cuisine. It’s true, we love salads, and we love salad bars because we can sneak bacon into our salads when no one is looking.

6. Sandwiches: the British may have invented the word sandwich, but we perfected the sandwich itself. Katz’s Deli — ’nuff said.

7. We saved wine. The British tried to wipe it out by introducing Phylloxera to Europe, so we had to come in and save wine for the rest of the world. This may be a bit of an oversimplification, but you’re welcome nonetheless.

8. Tea is okay if it’s supersaturated with sugar (i.e., sweet tea) or mixed with lemonade (i.e., Arnold Palmer), but coffee is where it’s at. Bad diner coffee beats bad diner tea every time.

9. Our beer is cold, and so is our root beer. British beer = warm. British root beer = dandelion & burdock soda?

10. A famous line from Annie Hall captures the American attitude towards food: “Two elderly women are at a Catskill mountain resort, and one of ‘em says, ‘Boy, the food at this place is really terrible.’ The other one says, ‘Yeah, I know – and such small portions.’” If we fall short on quality, we certainly won’t let you down on portion size.

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Re: Brit food wars
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2010, 08:37:29 PM »

If they are breaking the law sooner or later the BIB will get wind of it and swing by to get their cut ;D


Hah hah hah.  So so true! ;D ;D  Just think if the BIB were to read KF and the advertised drop off points.  My question is....is there really that big of demand for this stuff? 

Also, if you want the BEST burger in town, swing by Coffee Pitini. http://www.coffeepitini.com/

Check this bad boy out!  Best burger ever!

 

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« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2010, 10:00:13 PM »
So has anyone checked out one of these bad boys :D

I think not ::)

Well till they get to Korat guess those Pitini burgers will be the King of burgers 8) 

And who says Americans have the biggest burger :P

 

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2010, 11:01:24 PM »
Jesus, JM, that is one hell of a burger.  The question is, is it beef or cat meat?  Who owns Burger King anyway?   ;D Sure wish they would put one in Korat along with a Taco Bell and Jack-in-the-box.
 

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« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2010, 08:50:47 AM »
Wendy's instead of Burger King, Taco Bell ok, Jack-in-the-box I never tried. And I wouldn't mind Pizza Hut and McD to close.
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