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Offline thaiga

Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
« on: February 11, 2018, 08:55:20 PM »
slow down mr. per cent. here's dan the man, hope you understood all that, well at least he's not asking for hand outs like most do.
as usual below the vid there's nasty comments, although they could be right ;)

Haut Jour 2 weeks ago (edited)
34% working in Thailand making dopy videos ... sugar coating life there and recruiting more and more fat belly beer drinkers... and soon will be similar as miserable UK.

Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Online nan

Re: Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2018, 06:06:44 PM »
that video was worse than the bkk vid,i won't give you too much stick,i see you already had that from thaivisa. slow down,give the viewers something to look at in the background and change your name might help :wai
ignorance does not help your post one bit but it probably says an awful lot about you.

Offline thaiga

The Real Reasons Expats Decided Thailand (And What They Think Now)
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2018, 05:09:07 PM »
looks like we have a dan the man thread, i wonder what the other 20.63% are here for ;D

The Real Reasons Expats Decided Thailand (And What They Think Now)

In many instances there is a stigma regarding becoming an expat in Thailand, stereotypical images of old men with vests, slugging away on a can of Singha beer and ogling the young Thai women spring to mind. In my mind this is hugely misleading and in the majority of cases not true.

You certainly have your areas in Thailand more befitting of such views, like Pattaya, but it’s far more marginal now than its ever been in these locations. Trust me as I live in Pattaya with my family.

But it did get me thinking. What was the primary reason for people deciding to come and live in Thailand in the first place, if stereotypes was to be believed you’d assume ‘women’ to rate fairly highly.

So using the various media at my disposal I did a simple online survey and in a matter of days had an interesting – if not huge – 89 replies back from Expats living in Thailand. At the core to this survey was the question ‘What was your primary motive for becoming an Expat in Thailand?’. You can see from the chart below that ‘Women’ most definitely was not the driving force. In fact almost 1 in 4 of the replies was a financial reason – ‘Cheaper to Live’.

1 in 10 cited the reason that they had friends living in Thailand already, so friendships and bonds were a far stronger rationale than sexual relationships – which would have come through from ‘women’ being selected. A further 1 in 10 came to Thailand more to leave their domestic country than the attraction of Thailand itself.

1 in 5 were work motivations whilst 15.87% was due to the warmer climate – and after a recent trip back to the UK in February of this year I can be reminded of how lucky we have it living in Thailand with almost year round sunshine.

All very interesting information.

So, What do Expats Think Now about Living in Thailand?

I really got lots and lots of input about what expats now think about living in Thailand – and by the way 94.8% are happy to still live in Thailand. Let me just draw some sound bites from various feedback received.

“People are great, outside the tourist areas”
“Often language barriers to really getting to know Thais or getting needs met”
“Judgement for dating Thai women”
“Love the climate, food and women”
“Interesting culture”
“Cheap and effective internet”
“Thais could do with some serious driving lessons”
“Wonderful country for any age of nationality”
“Nothing is ever simple in Thailand and corruption is a major factor”

So by and large, a few grumbles but expats are happy to live in Thailand. The type of expats you meet depends very much on the area you live – in Chiang Mai for example you will find far more couples who are both expats rather than the classic Thai Lady – Western man set up in other areas. Affluence also varies area to area.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Offline Baby Farts

Re: Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2018, 10:28:47 PM »
Here are the REAL survey results.

Online Taman Tun

Re: Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2018, 10:57:26 AM »
Here are a few more:-

We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill

Offline thaiga

Re: Expats in Thailand - Why Some Expats Fail in Thailand
« Reply #5 on: February 23, 2018, 03:03:44 PM »
Another article from dantheman, must admit better than his vids, but again another expert giving us warning, beware of Isaan girls, any woman in the world will take your money if you are a fool, come back stickmanbangkok ::)

Using Maslows Hierarchy of Needs to Ascertain Why Some Expats Fail in Thailand

It is well documented that for many foreigners whom come to live in Thailand that it ends up going horribly wrong. An expats life in Thailand needs some good initial discipline and awareness. Failed relationships with Thai partners, losing all their money, horrible accidents (such as on a motorbike) and/or becoming alcoholics.

Now I am writing this just as debate, rhetoric and general interest; just one mans observations on what could be going on here, and I wondered if applying Maslows hierarchy of needs to this could shed some light on why it goes so horribly wrong for some expats.

If we look at the basic needs,  then it is quite straight forward – finding a place to rent or buy to live in Thailand, just as you would anywhere else in the world.

I think where it all starts to go wrong is in our psychological needs. It is very easy to get in with the wrong crowd, you know the type, the ones that do nothing more than drink beer everyday or the guys that are always skint. Maybe you start lending some money here and there, it will never end well in most cases. The need to feel like you belong is perhaps more stronger when you are outside of your domestic country too. It would be easy to argue people try far to hard to fit in and fit in with whomever will allow them when in Thailand. People who would never be your friends in your own country can become friends too easily when in Thailand.

I discussed the subject of friendship with many expats in Pattaya and most freely accepted they do not consider their friends here close friends like they had back home. They said making friends was actually quite difficult and more over the in order to make friends they would need to drink in a bar. This of course means drinking, and if not careful, a daily habit forms in order to have friends.

An Expats love needs is possibly the biggest area for where it can go wrong. There are certainly good Thai ladies – they offer some very redeeming qualities – but there are also those you should never get into a relationship with. If you met your girl from a bar then be very, very careful. Another thing I never understood is how a 65 year old guy with Western views and values could ever think a relationship with a 20 year old Isaan girl from the bar was ever going to work. I had two relationships from a bar in my time here and it was never far from the back of my mind that it was just a dumb thing I was doing, but at the time I pushed these thoughts out my mind. However, I never had the huge age gap you often still see. How are these relationships, which include the huge age gulf, anywhere near compatible? Both have different needs, education levels and expectations. It is no wonder there are so many relationship problems. It can be an emotional and financial nightmare that ruins the expat. It is heartbreaking. All those years waiting for his retirement, working so hard to build his nest egg and move to Thailand, just to see a young, uneducated girl take him for all he is worth.

Esteem needs are very difficult, because what is the measure of success here? It probably answers the question for why there are so many ‘ex-SAS and Manchester United footballers’ now retired here. Telling lies to ensure your esteem needs are met makes sense. Put the fact that you are surrounded by people therefore not being straight with you and drinking too much makes for a very bad situation.

Before we move on, please don’t think I am tarnishing every expat as many – in fact possibly the majority – are able not to succumb. But it is also very clear that a significant number do not, and I am not talking marginal either.

Finally, self-actualization means we all need to achieve things – which is why we see so many failed business. Guys setting up in an industry they are not familiar with such as selling real estate or opening a bar.

<h3>Get Your Ecosystem Right</h3>

It comes down to being very careful, streetwise and building your own circle – ‘ecosystem’ – to ensure your paradise dream really turns out that way. We need to choose our friends, love ones and activities wisely – and doing this rationally when alone in a new country can be very challenging.
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Offline thaiga

Re: Expats in Thailand - OH! the snobbery
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2018, 01:48:06 PM »
a much better video from dan, comments from expats living in pattaya might be more interesting

Wow! What Hua Hin Expats think of Pattaya Expats
Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Offline thaiga

Re: Expats in Thailand - why do expats go native in thailand?
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2018, 02:30:16 PM »
time for one of danthemans clips again, is he improving, i think so, but nothing worse than a vlog with background noises (end of clip)
he takes a look into the strange phenomena from when expats go native.

why do expats go native in thailand?

Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Offline thaiga

Re: Expats in Thailand - Top 5 Reasons You Won’t Like Thailand
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2018, 01:07:28 PM »
Top 5 Reasons You Won’t Like Thailand

For some reason we all like a list, a top 5 or 10 of this and that, I guess it is the curiosity of discovering what made the list getting the better of you – you have no choice but to take a peek. In my case curiosity got the better of me to see if I could put a list together. My challenge therefore to could come up with a top 5 list of reasons for why you won’t like Thailand.

Now I like Thailand, of course I do I have lived here over a decade now, but I would be lying if I said things didn’t annoy me about living here. Importantly, none are enough to make me up sticks and leave, but I have certainly thought about bailing out many times now.

However, I don’t want to list why you won’t like living in Thailand; I want to list the reasons you won’t like Thailand. It is slightly different. It was an interesting task as I have become far more tolerant and accepting of what goes on here, casing point was when I started to write something down I would instantly have an excuse or defense as to why that particular thing happened . This blog was going to be more challenging than I thought.

This was not going to be a quick 30 minute blog, I needed to ask others what they didn’t like about Thailand.

So when I popped back home from my office for lunch, the first person I asked was my wife (she is Russian by the way). She had just come home from an International School with our two kids and I could not have teed the question up any better for she was a little aggrieved, to say the least, from what she saw at the school. “You know just about every teacher there was male and looked like they were half cut from the night before. You could clearly see they had all been drinking the night before” she explained.

We all hear about many teachers that come to teach in Thailand who have not grown tired of the neon lights of the beer bars – it is the case of lifestyle first and job a very supporting second. For a parent these kind of stories quite frankly make me very angry, especially with the high fees that come from International Schools.

Now I am not suggesting every school or indeed teacher is the same, but it still a very real problem. I used to do some consultancy for a large International School and the principle always moaned about the drinking epidemic among his teachers.

Now, I need to get this list started so the Drinking Problem from Some International Teachers is my number five. I am bending my earlier conditions outlined that the top five reasons cannot come from living here, this one makes the list!

My number four, and by the way the reasons are in no particular order, is the inconsistency and corruption from some of the police. On all the main tourist Sois in Pattaya you will more often or not see a couple of police officers looking to pull people on motorbikes over. Checking if they have valid driving licences, for not wearing helmets and alcohol breathalyzer checks. All excellent things for ensuring the safety of the roads, but that is only half the story. You can still pay many of these officers off directly on the scene – even if you are intoxicated.

The officers differ by regions. I find the police in Hua Hin very fair and nice, in fact you could even say helpful, for instance. The subject of the police in Thailand is easier to just park for now, it is what it is.

Right, three more to go. It looks like I might just complete this article.

Two tier pricing. I change my mind with this one all the time, as it depends on how you position it.

When you turn up at a National park, zoo or what have you and see the two different prices up on a board it makes you a little angry, previously if you worked here you would be able to show your work permit or Thai driving licence and you would also get the the Thai price. Note, I said previously. This little perk is being phased out and so even if you work and contribute tax to the country, you still have to pay foreign rates. This does make me angry, especially as I no doubt pay more tax than the average Thai person. Now the two pricing policies is not right or fair.

The second view to take is the fact that don’t other countries also have two tier pricing, but less in your face? If you live near an attraction more often or not you can use a promotion code that tourists would not know about. Think about diners that offer Expat card discounts in Thailand, now you could argue that is not fair on the tourist. It is a very similar debate to the blatant two tier pricing seen in this country Thai versus foreigner.

Number Two, now this very much depends on where you live. Chinese tourists, they are everywhere and there are thousands of them in Pattaya. I have nothing against the Chinese, it is just the mass tourism that comes with it. The coaches fill the streets in their hundreds. Just go down to Bali Hai pier and watch the conveyor belt of coaches coming in and out of this location, it is crazy.

The Soi Dogs can make up my list. Most are harmless and in many cases in a very bad state, it is quite sad to see. I am forever stepping over one when walking into 7-11 (they like the aircon). But with young kids it means I am always on the look out for the dogs coming to close. There are Soi Dogs on every Soi in Thailand, it is too much and the situation is not controlled.

And Voila, my top 5 reasons you won’t like Thailand is complete. It was a hard challenge as there are far, far more pros to being in Thailand than the negatives. It is on the whole a wonderful country and the reason I have now lived here for over ten years.

Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist should have his head examined.

Online nan

Re: Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2018, 06:00:26 PM »
no mention of the driving there ;)
ignorance does not help your post one bit but it probably says an awful lot about you.

Offline Baby Farts

Re: Expats in Thailand - How happy and rich are they?
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2018, 11:59:21 AM »
Yes, he does.  Read number 4. He gives driving as an example of the corrupted police.