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Offline Johnnie F.

Teachers fail exams on own subjects
« on: June 10, 2010, 06:05:42 AM »
Teachers fail exams on own subjects

Nationwide Obec test results ring alarm bells

High school students who perform poorly in computer studies, maths and sciences now have new friends to share the pain _ their teachers.

Teachers in secondary schools have had to sit exams in these subjects for the first time, with alarming results,

Most teaching at the senior high school level failed the tests, the Office of the Basic Education Commission said.

''Even teachers fail, so how can we raise the quality of students?'' Education Minister Chinnaworn Boonyakiat said yesterday after being informed of the results by Obec.

An exam requirement says examinees who earn a mark of less than 59% are considered to have a low standard of knowledge.

Obec said up to 88% of 3,973 teachers who specialise in computer sciences failed the test. A high number of failing teachers was also found in biology (86% of 2,846), maths (84% of 5,498), physics (71% of 3,487), chemistry (64% of 3,088) and astronomy and earth sciences (63% of 529).

The only consolation came from teachers at the junior high level. They earned high marks. Obec said 58% of 14,816 teachers teaching maths were categorised in the grade A group with marks of more than 80%, while 54% of 13,385 teachers did very well in sciences.

''This is the first time the ministry tested teachers nationwide in a move to develop teachers under the Thai Khem Khaeng [Thai strength] scheme,'' Mr Chinnaworn said.

The ministry has set a budget of 1.4 billion baht under the Thai Khem Khaeng scheme to improve the academic standards of teachers.

Mr Chinnaworn said the ministry aimed to build two groups of teachers under the development plan. Teachers at the elementary and junior high levels could be trained to improve their skills in integrated teaching _ one teacher able to teach more than one subject _ while those at the senior high level would be trained to have stronger expertise in specific subjects.

The upgrade of teachers is part of the ministry's plan to increase students' abilities.

''All students at the basic education level must earn more than 50% of the O-Net [Ordinary National Education Test] by 2018,'' Mr Chinnaworn said.

O-Net tests the general knowledge of students in Prathom 3 and 6 and Mathayom 3 and 6.

Obec has announced information and computer technology and English exam results of school directors. About 95% of about 40,000 directors failed the tests, Mr Chinnaworn said.

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Offline Johnnie F.

Re: Teachers fail exams on own subjects
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 06:46:17 AM »
I wonder the turnout of the testing of foreign teachers employed by Thai schools. Some are posting and sending PMs on this forum.  ;)

Not long ago I did get a PM by a British teacher employed at an institution educating Thai teachers. I was shocked by his applied vocabulary. He must be teaching the subject "street rap" there. :o

Instead of pounding on Thai teachers in the way of posting topics like "Thai teachers suck! It's official." we should ask ourselves what we could do to help.

I do remember a free and informal class "Coffee Talk" which was offered to Thai ajarns by a committed American ajarn more than 15 years ago at the same institution the "street rap teacher" is employed by now. The number of attendees of that free class was growing each time. We were discussing aspects of everyday Thai life as foreigners with Thai ajarns and reduced the "contact-angst" between foreigners and Thais at the teachers-of the-teachers-level, a very first approach to foreign culture and language: To show how we understand their culture. Participating in the weekend seminars to further education for teachers offered at that institution is another possibility. You'll meet many committed teachers from the secondary level.

About all Thai teachers will gladly accept your (constructive) help, unless you keep criticizing and making them loose their faces only.

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« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2010, 11:52:00 AM »
I admire your sentiments about how we should try to help Thai teachers. But the reality is this is a national problem. Which needs a national solution, in other words the Government needs to do it. They are the only ones with the power to get things done on such a large scale. Apart from the fact that if foreigners offered help we'd be told to mind our own business.

Also, the Government being in such a mess at the moment themselves they are probably incapable of implementing a solution other than throwing money at it. One other major issue is the cultural problem that allows this to happen. Thai students are taught to love their king and country. Which is a good thing, it brings unity. But they don't seem to take academia seriously, and that's the teachers not just the students.

Thai students have so few opportunities even if they manage to finish a degree. The majority of jobs available are mindless factory jobs. There are no big tech or other modern growing industries for students to get jobs in. Is that the fault of protectionist Governments not allowing foreign investment? Or are the powers that be happy to have a huge semi educated work force so they can continue to open huge fish food processing plants, sweat shops, mega resorts and low wage opportunites?

I believe they don't want to overhaul education. They would then have to provide jobs for a mass of educated youth, and would have a Thammasat style uprising all over the country. Better to keep em poor and stupid!
 

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« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2010, 02:19:08 PM »
I admire your sentiments about how we should try to help Thai teachers. But the reality is this is a national problem. Which needs a national solution, in other words the Government needs to do it. They are the only ones with the power to get things done on such a large scale. Apart from the fact that if foreigners offered help we'd be told to mind our own business.

Also, the Government being in such a mess at the moment themselves they are probably incapable of implementing a solution other than throwing money at it. One other major issue is the cultural problem that allows this to happen. Thai students are taught to love their king and country. Which is a good thing, it brings unity. But they don't seem to take academia seriously, and that's the teachers not just the students.

Thai students have so few opportunities even if they manage to finish a degree. The majority of jobs available are mindless factory jobs. There are no big tech or other modern growing industries for students to get jobs in. Is that the fault of protectionist Governments not allowing foreign investment? Or are the powers that be happy to have a huge semi educated work force so they can continue to open huge fish food processing plants, sweat shops, mega resorts and low wage opportunites?

I believe they don't want to overhaul education. They would then have to provide jobs for a mass of educated youth, and would have a Thammasat style uprising all over the country. Better to keep em poor and stupid!

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2010, 09:27:36 AM »
...low wage opportunites?

I believe they don't want to overhaul education. They would then have to provide jobs for a mass of educated youth, and would have a Thammasat style uprising all over the country. Better to keep em poor and stupid!

I'd rather say most of the educated elite isn't willing to work for peanuts. If you've been a while in Korat and talk to people who're successful in business about what they had learned, how they had started out, you'll get far too often the answer they were educated as teachers. If somebody can't make a decent living on the job in which education his family invested a lot of money he's gotta find himself better opportunities. Call it the survival of the fittest: those who can't find a better opportunity than remaining teachers aren't the most qualified as teachers either, unless they are idealists.

If you're waiting for the government to do something, tell them how. Tell them where to get (!) the money to pay decent salaries to teachers, police and other public servants. The distribution of wealth is undoubtedly the problem. But as long as the rich West sets the life standards in the interest of imperialism it'll be hard to convince people not to pursue and defend materialism and consumerism.
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Re: Teachers fail exams on own subjects
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2010, 10:38:02 PM »
I suppose it's a result of the no fail policy that prevails in so many places and the rampant plagiarism that so obviously exists amongst students and hence, in the future, brings about incompetence in the graduates that go into the system.

The fact that so many private schools and colleges etc are run as businesses to maximise baht intake at the expense of education that is correctly graded to the standard of the student and is instead tailored for image presentation of the institution also has something to do with it, probably a fair few other contributing factors too.

As for the school directors, well, then they are a great example of grafting (jobs for the boys) their way to their postitions, certainly not done by merit/ability.

However, even having said all that, the figure are.....well......dismal. Pretty damning report there.

Strange comment from the Education Minister about "Even the teachers fail." Almost sounds like the begining of a rhetorical question where he's going to supply the answer but it appears he hasn't a clue and needs the answer  :o, slightly lame proposals from "The system."

Afraid they can't see the wood for the trees and it won't change anytime soon in the physical plain of existance we occupy. The education industry is a leviathan that is unwilling and resistant to change, even for the Thais.

The foreigner teacher question has many angles, some not pretty, and there are a lot of blaggers but also some capable ones too. This, however, is mostly the fault of the Thais in their quick-fix attitude of "So long as it looks like an orange, then it is an orange." I'm not a teacher, was 3 years ago but done now, but I'm sure you know what I mean. There are good teachers around but there are plenty that represent a joke. It's also the Thai parent attitude that the offspring must have a white face to teach them English or be involved with "EP" programs. It's nothing short of fashion whilst substance, as usual, means sweat FA, same as with so much else here, it's a cultural persective thing.

The local Thais are just as culpable, through their tactic tolerance of it, as the jokers are that claim to be something they are not. This does not apply to all, just some.

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« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2010, 12:48:59 AM »
Dragonfly. I'm still waiting for an answer.

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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2010, 09:17:01 AM »
No. Schools, colleges or universities won't have foreign managers generally, only places like ECC or ELC etc will. Just moved on to other things. 
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