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Offline thaiga

English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« on: September 17, 2015, 02:37:58 PM »
English teaching needs a bottom-up approach

Only teachers and students can forge sustainable progress for Thailand

For a government seeking to boost students' proficiency in English, one particular statistic underlines the daunting scale of the mission. Half of all English teachers in Thailand failed the national English-language test in 2007, scoring under 50 per cent. That appalling fact represents the main obstacle to the goal of improving the learning of English in more than 15,000 schools nationwide.

the full article: The nation
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Online Taman Tun

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2015, 05:01:05 PM »
Thais genuinely acknowledge the need to be proficient in English.  The problem is to identify where the competent instruction is to come from.  As I understand it the going rate in Nakhon Ratchasima for English teachers is only around 40,000 Baht a month which is not likely to attract too many takers.  The only people to be attracted at these sorts of rates are Phillipinos so maybe that is where the Government should be looking to recruit.
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

Offline thaiga

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2015, 05:23:46 PM »
That's what there hoping to do

The Thai government is hoping to hire up to 4,000 Filipinos who can teach English in Thailand.

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Online Taman Tun

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2015, 05:31:18 PM »
Yup a Philipino would not make this mistake:-

That's what there hoping to do
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2015, 05:36:49 PM »
The biggest problem even isn't the teachers, but the students themselves. Have they been trained the role to be Thai in their socialization -  "Thais are superior" - even native speakers can't do much to get them to integrate a second language into their life. They sit there and expect the teachers alone to put the skill into their heads. The teachers as god-like creatures must be able to do that!

When I explained to adult students that they should respond to the "English" challenges in everyday Thai life around them to learn, practice and improve their ESL skills by their own efforts, usually I got the reply that they want me to teach them English and not how to change their way of life. Sure, they like listening to Western pop music; but that is only music, the lyrics are of no significance, etc. Reading English operating instructions for household items? Cannot understand the Thai versions either, so why try in English?

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Online Taman Tun

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2015, 05:55:20 PM »
Johnnie, interesting.  The Brits went through this phase.  If the natives do not understand you then SPEAK LOUDER.  Failing that then give them a dammed good bambooing as per "Burmese Days". Personally I really think that the need to speak English is well recognized and understood.
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2015, 06:51:24 PM »
There are certain patterns they got used to and can't imagine that it's not all the same in other languages and cultures. For example I was doing lyrics of rock classics with third-year English majors at the teachers college, using "Satisfaction" by the Stones. Went through the song line for line; then asked, what the song were about, what Jagger was so displeased with. Prompt answer by a top student: "It's a love-song, and he is heart-broken." What makes you think that? "Because he says, he can't get the girl at the end of the song." Then why can't he get the girl?  "She doesn't love him!" For two hours I had tried to make them understand in vain about mass media and targeted advertising by creating images of winners and losers. All they could think about was, that the lyrics are as dumb and superficial like most popular Thai songs, must be, because there is nothing better than what Thais like. Must be the same standard content! No use in trying to explain them the function of those superficial Thai love-songs or the soap-operas on TV. You can't be realistic and confront them with a world too far from their own! They have been trained to live on feeling and dreaming rather than thinking and understanding!

SATISFACTION - ROLLING STONES



I can't get no satisfaction
I can't get no satisfaction
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try
I can't get no, I can't get no

When I'm drivin' in my car
And that man comes on the radio
And he's tellin' me more and more
About some useless information
Supposed to fire my imagination

I can't get no, oh no no no
Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction
I can't get no satisfaction
'Cause I try and I try and I try and I try
I can't get no, I can't get no

When I'm watchin' my TV
And that man comes on to tell me
How white my shirts can be
But he can't be a man 'cause he doesn't smoke
The same cigarettes as me

I can't get no, oh no no no
Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no satisfaction
I can't get no girl reaction
And I try and I try and I try and I try
I can't get no, I can't get no

When I'm ridin' round the world
And I'm doin' this and I'm signing that
And I'm tryin' to make some girl
Who tells me baby better come back next week
Cause you see I'm on losing streak

I can't get no, oh no no no
Hey hey hey, that's what I say
I can't get no, I can't get no
I can't get no satisfaction
No satisfaction, no satisfaction, no satisfaction
Fun is the one thing that money can't buy
 

Online Taman Tun

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2015, 08:14:58 PM »
Johnnie, this is not an exclusive Thai problem.  At the height of their fame the Stones were in New York and due to appear on some celebrity TV show.  They had to change the words of "Let's spend the night together" to "Let's spend some time together".
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

Offline Johnnie F.

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #8 on: September 18, 2015, 10:19:00 AM »
At the height of their fame the Stones were in New York and due to appear on some celebrity TV show.  They had to change the words of "Let's spend the night together" to "Let's spend some time together".


That was due to the white US' "religiosity": it was deemed too suggestive, exposing teenage fans to sex too early, like for example the song "Give it to me" by the J. Geils Band from Boston, that was banned from airplay on radio stations almost nationwide:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYgZ3-h2E1g


Now don't touch the knobs 'cause I think
We're going to have some fun with this one here
Oh yeah!

You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me


You're so slick hun, know every trick now
You know I want it, I want it so bad
You know I need it, I can't believe it
So come on baby, Please relieve it

You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me (Mmm, hmm)
You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me

Now you've been bugging me, Every night now
You say you want it, You want it right now
I can't get to it, I can't get through it
So come on baby, Please

You've got to get it up (give it up)
You've got to get it up (give it up)
You've got to get it up (give it up)
You've got to get it up (give it up)

You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me
You've got to give it to me

Why keep me cold
When it's so warm inside
Come on baby
Your love is too good to hide"
Fun is the one thing that money can't buy
 

Offline sowhat

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #9 on: September 18, 2015, 04:33:28 PM »
If the natives do not understand you then SPEAK LOUDER.  Failing that then give them a dammed good bambooing as per "Burmese Days".

is that your advice to the teachers that view this forum
 

Online Taman Tun

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #10 on: September 18, 2015, 06:02:10 PM »
Sowhat, I  think you did not read my post carefully enough. Anyway I wait with interest for a load of posts from angry teachers all explaining how they can live a wonderfully luxurious lifestyle on their generous 40k Baht salaries.  Surely this is the heart of the problem..if you want to raise the teaching of English to a decent level then you need to pay some seriously decent salaries to attract some good people.
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

Offline sowhat

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2015, 06:31:53 PM »
yes i read your post carfully and agree with the wage situation,but you also posted

Failing that then give them a dammed good bambooing as per "Burmese Days".   

did you not ;D
 

Online Taman Tun

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2015, 06:36:39 PM »
Sowhat, I think you should read "Burmese Days" by George Orwell.
We are masters of the unsaid words, but slaves of those we let slip out. Churchill
 

Offline sowhat

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2015, 01:12:32 PM »
wake up smell the coffee,the thread is about today's education 2015,nothing to do with george orwell

using violence on children is not the answer
 

Online KiwiCanadian

Re: English teaching needs a bottom-up approach
« Reply #14 on: September 19, 2015, 02:52:34 PM »
Back on topic here,

I agree about the Thai culture, but it is part of the Thai teachers to blame also.

Mrs KC's daughter has just graduated and is starting to teach ENGRISH (its certainly not ENGLISH) to Thai kids, while she was living with us at home, in the 3 years I have known her she could not but a decent sentence together in English, especially in the last 3 or 4 months here. I don't know if she was that shy or not wanting to loose face????
When I first came here she asked for help in a simple fill in the missing word in the sentence home work exercise, well I could not make sense of the sentences even if I put the word that they wanted into the sentence. The grammar was appalling. I marked up the pages with the corrected sentences and the proper word that was missing and gave it back to her, she looked at me strangely and I told her that the basic lesson itself was WRONG, now we know that Thai's don't like being told when they are WRONG. I told her if she had any doubts just ASK ME, if I don't know I will search and fined the answer for her. I told her that in our western culture we have always been told to ask and question search and find the answer, LOL.
She never asked for help after that.

KC
 

 



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