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Posted by: thaiga
« on: June 21, 2018, 11:48:56 PM »

But don't touch the money ::)

11 ‘Forbidden’ Careers Opened to Foreigners

Nearly a dozen previously off-limits jobs were opened to foreign nationals Thursday, while a request retail service jobs be included was denied.

A day after shop owners demanded the Labor Ministry decriminalize the hiring of foreign staff, it announced the rules would be relaxed to allow expats to do jobs including masonry, carpentry and shoemaking.

In July, all foreigners will be able to work eight areas including unskilled agricultural or fisheries jobs; masonry and carpentry. They can also make bedding, knives, shoes, hats, dresses, pottery and ceramics, according to Labor Minister Adul Saengsingkaew. However, they may not own such businesses and must comply with other conditions. Foreigners can work as laborers without condition.

Citizens from all ASEAN member states will also be allowed to provide certain accounting and civil engineering services and construction-related architectural work that does not require specialized expertise.

The list of jobs did not include retail as Thai employers had called for Wednesday. But the top ministry official suggested there may be a loophole by which they could pass as laborers: Don’t let them touch any money.

“They cannot handle money or give customers change,” Adul said Thursday. “They can just aid customers’ convenience by fetching items and arranging items.”

Vendors who yesterday protested at the ministry to call for Burmese, Cambodian and Laotians to be able to work in retail were left puzzled by his comments.

“If you ask me, I’m not satisfied with this. What he said is still unclear, legal-wise. He said it’s a forbidden career, but they can do it if there’s an employer there,” Korpong Tan’suwan, a vendor who led the retailers to deliver Wednesday’s petition. “He promised he would listen to our demands, but we have no way of knowing if they did, or how long they thought about it.”

He expressed disbelief at the notion authorities might police the specific tasks an employee engages in, including what they touch or don’t touch.

Adul added that beauty and nail salons, another career that labor-hungry owners have lobbied for, would remain forbidden to non-Thais. Masseuses also cannot be foreigners.

“We’ve studied this a lot, keeping in mind Thai job opportunity needs,” Adul said.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: June 13, 2018, 02:58:37 PM »

Let Us Hire Foreigners, Short-Staffed Shop Owners Demand

An anonymous vendor holds a sign saying ‘Looking for a responsible Thai worker who doesn’t quit whenever they want. The government should find me one.’ Photo: Group of Entrepreneurs with Foreign Workers / Facebook

Business owners say they are unable to find Thai employees to staff service jobs and are urging the government to relax its restrictions on foreign employees.

The Group of Entrepreneurs with Foreign Workers said they would take an online petition to the labor ministry this month ask that Laotian, Burmese and Cambodian workers be allowed to work legally in two of the 39 occupations forbidden to foreigners.

“The problem is we can’t find any Thais who want to do these jobs,” the group’s Piphooake Sakullim said. “It’s not like we’re leaving behind Thais. But when you put up a sign asking for an extra worker for six months, and no one applies, how is your business supposed to go on?”

Currently, foreigners are not permitted to work in 39 jobs, including as retail staff or nail salons, according to 1981 labor regulations.

Piphooake, a clothing vendor in Bangkok, hopes the petition will help convince government to loosen up the law to allow foreign workers. At least, he said he’d settle for retail and salon work becoming legal – with conditions. For example, he said migrant workers could work in shop fronts but not become owners. Or, he said, nail salon employees could only do cleaning and painting, not provide more complicated services such as gel nail extensions.

“If I’m busy and have to go pick up my kids, what am I supposed to do, close up my shop and lose business?” Piphooake said. “If we can’t use Thais, we have to use alien workers.”

Piphooake has also been calling for vendors in the same situation as him to protest online via the group’s Facebook page by sending in photos of their stores and signs detailing their troubles in finding employees due to labor restrictions.

“I always give Thais the chance for a job first, but they’re really hard to find. They leave after a little bit. Therefore, I want to give hardworking aliens a chance for an occupation,” reads one of several dozens signs shown.

One post showed signs posted on two mannequins at a swimsuit store:

“I’ve posted a sign asking for employees for three years. No Thais have applied. If there’s no foreign workers, then the only shop minders I have are these two mannequins.”

Another post showed employees cleaning toenails at a nail salon.

“Cleaning and painting nails in basic colors, will people with bachelor’s degrees do this?” read the caption.

In July, a labor official suggested that the list of occupations reserved for Thais should be revised, but no action has yet been taken. Of the forbidden occupations, Cambodians, Laotians and Burmese are allowed to do labor and domestic work.
Posted by: thaiga
« on: June 02, 2018, 09:26:00 PM »

The laws here are carefully designed in such a way so that your money comes into the country, but very rarely leaves the country

for us brits there's not a lot left to leave the country, the exchange rate is strangling at the moment buying rate at Bangkokbank gives,
USD: 50-100   31.60    GBP 41.61    EUR 36.82

yes the US Thailand Treaty of Amity, gives the Americans an advantage in the business field, also known as the Treaty of Amity and Economic Relations between the Kingdom of Thailand and the United States of America was signed on May 29, 1966 to give special rights and benefits to American citizens who wish to establish their businesses in Thailand.

The Thailand Treaty of Amity permits American companies to hold majority of the shares or the whole company, branch office or representative office located in Thailand. American companies may engage in business on the same basis as Thai companies, and are exempt from most of the restrictions of foreign investment imposed by the Alien Business Law of 1972.  more here:

PS: would be nice for us to own just 1 rai of land in your own name - don't hold your breath  :cheers
Posted by: Baby Farts
« on: June 02, 2018, 08:31:22 PM »

"For example, we won’t allow them to work independently or become business owners,” Labour Minister Police General Adul Sangsingkeo said yesterday."

In other words, you have to have a Thai partner who will own the majority of your business and reap the benefits of your hard work, unless of course you are an American.  Then you can own your business 100% via the treaty of Amity. The laws here are carefully designed in such a way so that your money comes into the country, but very rarely leaves the country.

Posted by: thaiga
« on: June 01, 2018, 01:41:48 PM »

Draft plan to allow foreigners to work in 11 ‘reserved’ occupations

Labour ministry proposal would allow them in engineering, architecture and accountancy.
A PLAN by the Labour Ministry would allow foreigners to enter 11 of the 39 occupations that are now reserved for Thais.
If the plan goes ahead, foreigners will be able to work as civil engineers, accountants and architects in Thailand under certain conditions.

 “For example, we won’t allow them to work independently or become business owners,” Labour Minister Police General Adul Sangsingkeo said yesterday.

He said the plan would be submitted to the policy committee on solutions to migrant labour problems in the middle of June. 

The 28-member committee consists of representative from government agencies, the Thai Chamber of Commerce and the Federation of Thai Industries.
If the committee approves the plan, it would take effect by July 1.

Under the plan, Adul’s ministry would also add Thai massage services as an occupation reserved for Thais, he said.
“But the committee will decide whether to approve it,” he said.

Adul spoke after a meeting with the Labour Ministry’s permanent secretary, Jarin Chakkaphark, and the Employment Department’s director-general, Anurak Tossarat.

The ministry held several forums to gather opinions from relevant parties before finalising the plan for the committee.
The Council of Engineers has criticised the plan. The civil-engineer occupation should remain reserved for Thais because it involves people’s safety, they said. Downplaying that critique, Anurak said the council would have the last say.

“Even if the plan sails through, foreigners interested in working as civil engineers in Thailand would have to seek permits from the Council of Engineers before they could start working,” he said.

Adul said due to labour shortages in some fields, the Labour Ministry intended to allow foreigners to fill the demand.

“But we allow them in necessary fields only,” he said, adding that the move was also in line with the agreement Asean nations had signed regarding free labour migration.

Dozens of small-business owners are not happy with the Labour Ministry continuing to reserve occupations for Thais.
“Migrants should be allowed to work as shopkeepers,” a small entrepreneur said.

She said small shops, restaurants and nail spas would run into legal trouble if they were not legally allowed to hire migrant workers.